Phantax wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

This is an old rant.

Yes, but the oldies are the goodies !

And yes we should have a global AH in this game. It seems Zenimax were too short sighted to realise that though !

No they aren't. they are trying to make an MMO that isn't like every other MMO out there. Join a trade guild or a few of them and look around.

Yeah because for somebody like myself (that would spend hours crafting, trading) I want to be limited to 500 people... when I should have access to 5000 !
I want to play the market, I want to bid / outbid other players. I'd want all that to be done on a truly dynamic economy that fluctuates as player demand changes. In an economy that isn't lead by a few idiots that think they can rig the market price of items by monopolising due to extortionate pricing !

But hey... you keep your segregated mini guild ah system !

Guid wars 2 had a global auction house am that didn't stop people from monopolizing items, I.E legendary precursors...and with the guild store update allowing guilds to purchase vendors to sell their goods adds a whole new level to trade guilds. I personally enjoy the multi market system created by the exclusion of a global auction house. I understand what you want, I don't think you understand the opinion that many like myself share. It not just fun using the item you want but it's also the journey of acquiring it, with it be from a boss at the end of dungeon, a treasure chest or just being in the right place at the right time when someone is selling something you need.

Cyanhide wrote: »

The only reason I don't like the current guild AH is because well, currently ESO still feels to much like a single player.

The fun stuff about AH'ses? is they bring people together, make towns alive. ESO could use some of that. It would be easy to remove the epics or what ya call them inhere, so rare stays rare.

I believe the opposite to be true, the exclusion of an AH brings people together through player to player trades, people travel back to towns / previous zones to shout in zone chat selling there goods. I know my friends list is full of people whom I have traded with and now contact regularly for enchants, potions and materials

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

Allyah wrote: »

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

Fine by me. Anyone who thinks this topic warrants a serious response at this point is wasting their time.

Any valid points about the topic have already been made, and gone completely lost on the intended audience.

Redundance works against things getting lost, so it's absolutely normal, that people repeat over and over the same things. In this specific case, the AH must not be forgotten, that's why threads demanding it will pop up continously until ESO devs will surrender to reason.

I btw. got the shield I searched for after 6.5h of searching.

That number is just so hillarious, that I hope it'll make some Devs, but also some of the people saying that "this is working as intended", listen, though those comments were ironical, ESO Devs programing time-sinks of that dimension though, will only become ironical once ESO devs need to invest time / money on winning back players that they lost through their own stolidity.

How certain you sound about uncertainties.

I trust in the fact that Zenimax wants to earn money, and therefor they'll do what they can to make players play, instead of cancelling their subs.

And there's always that one statement of Kant, that humans have a need to turn towards rationality.

I know, some people's behaviour in the internet would make one suspect differently, but I'm absolutely confident that humans cannot refuse to be rational for an indefinite amount of time.

My statement concerned your seeming assumptions that the majority wanted or needed an AH. Yes, it would be the rational thing to do for Zenimax to cater to the players every whim in order to keep their players' money. Unless, of course, those whims weren't the majority. And unless, of course, those whims often contradicted each other and would cause the game to be nearly unplayable if those whims were always followed.

I have to disagree. There are some humans that can refuse to be rational indefinitely. Just look at the number of people still arguing they need an AH when they clearly don't. The rational response would be to play a game with an AH instead of one without it or to adapt to not having one. Not demanding that an AH be implemented because some apparently can't function in a game where you are inconvenienced in the slightest.

Hi

I started out trying to make sets of armor.

I soon found out it wasn't worth the effort because I leveled out of whatever before I got a complete set.

By the time I had 3 or 4 pieces I needed to start all over with the next level of stuff.

I just quit bothering with it and wear what I have that has the buffs I need.

If there was an auction, I would put together a set and use it until I needed to upgrade and then do it again etc.

I'm not going to spend my game time, looking for someone who has the missing pieces, I want to be out killing things.

I don't know if the same thing happens after level 50, maybe at that point it would be worth putting a set together, but I haven't been there long enough to figure that out yet.

Mike

Makkir wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

gcalex5 wrote: »

I don't understand why people are so against this.

Fear of WoW. WoW had it, so it's evil.

That is the only real reason. All else is B.S.

Once again, the farse comparisons. WoW is a game where the best gear comes from PvE content, not player crafted like ESO.
Auction House serves a different purpose in WoW, and works based on it's type of MMO and economy.
You're talking about a Rhino and an Elephant here.

Okay, so why would player crafted items not want to be on an AH?

I'm not an economist, so please use small words.

The only way this games economy will ever work properly is when we have a functional global/factional Auction House.
There have been dozens of threads and 1000s of players asking for one. Really, it's about time Zenimax just admitted this is something they need to put into the game !

Pupsy wrote: »

Before posting these, begging for one, read what zenimax has already said.


-Tabards and insignias will be in a future update to allow you to represent your guild.
-Guild stores will be our ingame market, no plans for a global auction house
-Plans for more guild ranks
-10% “house cut” when using guild stores to sell is a gold sink we designed.
-Working on fixing guild bank to make items stack properly and more easily searchable
-Ability to blacklist player accounts from a guild is something we are discussing
-Maximum guild size is 500, you can be a member of up to 5 guilds.

Read the whole thing here: http://dulfy.net/2014/03/20/eso-reddit-ama-summmary/

To be fair, at one point they had no plans for true first person view.

At one point they had no plans for dueling.

ZOS takes a while, but they slowly learn players want good systems in their MMOs.

Now, I'm not saying an AH is exactly the way to go, but i will say the GAHs (guild auction houses) are not working, IMHO.

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

Hi.

Today I searched for 5h for a "Bastion of the Dragon" in VR12. I offered up to 30k at some time, still, I didn't find anybody, probably not because such a person doesn't exist wanting to sell one, but simply because he's busy with other things / in a different zone / whatever.

Instead of having fears, about that the Mega-server-structure would crash the economy, think what you're doing to us players. We want to play your game and have fun, but you're preventing us from doing so, because seriously, who goes and plays when 1 piece of critical equipment is missing?

Hoping that you fix this soon.

@Seraiel (EU)

Unfortunately for you, most players are just now hitting the veteran zones. It will be a little while before you see tons of vr12 items for sale.

As for auction house, this game would become another 'WoW' clone economy wise. =( At least with the current system, it encourages players to actually interact with each other (you can be in 5 guilds at once) and makes it easier to 'barter' with the seller instead of silent bidding/selling.

emeraldbay wrote: »

I honestly think that the game will be just fine, if not better, for not having a global auction house. The next content update will go a pretty long way to make guild stores a more viable option, and they'll continue to improve on the system until they're happy with it.

I really do not see how the two things they are doing improving anything.

Not to be negative, but how is opening up a few more guild stores to buy from going to help me sell my items?

You might say, "Join those few guilds that have open stores"

We both know that is a limited option at best. Also, to be fair, mostly gold sellers will own those spots in the PvE areas.

Who else is going to spend in game gold to bid on shop lots?

Blackwidow wrote: »

One of these threads needs to close. I'm having the same conversation in both threads.

Yes but each thread does have some good comments and a lot a varied views !

Phantax wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

One of these threads needs to close. I'm having the same conversation in both threads.

Yes but each thread does have some good comments and a lot a varied views !

And in any case, it's an interesting point of discussion.

Bramir wrote: »

No AH also means that gold buyers (you know...the reason we had to live with bots when the game went live) can't necessarily get the advantage they are trying to get...

Personally, I like things to be rare, and I like to craft, which makes you fairly self-sufficient in this game.

Gold buyers don't need an AH.

They are doing just fine. And soon they will get to bid on their own kiosk!

Cogo wrote: »

When Blizzard initially designed and implemented the auction houses for Diablo III, the driving goal was to provide a convenient and secure system for trades. But as the team mentioned on different occasions, it became increasingly clear that despite the benefits of the AH system and the fact that many players around the world use it, it ultimately undermines Diablo's core game play: kill monsters to get cool loot. With that in mind, Blizzard wants to let everyone know that they've decided to remove the gold and real-money auction house system from Diablo III.

Source
http://news.mmosite.com/content/2013-09-18/blizzard_to_shut_down_diablo_iii_auction_houses.shtml

That's what came out of the public relations flak filters.

Guess you weren't in on that 200+ page forum thread where Blizzard's CEO posted an apology to D3 fans. He got lots of credit for wading into the D3 general discussion mosh pit though.