No AH (Auction House) = crap

woodlandwoodsb14_ESO

The Guild Stores are terribad. Seriously, ZOS must have almost run out of funds before they hired the coder that created it.

They know it is crap. Just don't expect them to do anything about it. The devs are one step away from defending it with "artistic integrity".

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO

Phantax wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

This is an old rant.

Yes, but the oldies are the goodies !

And yes we should have a global AH in this game. It seems Zenimax were too short sighted to realise that though !

No they aren't. they are trying to make an MMO that isn't like every other MMO out there. Join a trade guild or a few of them and look around.

Yeah because for somebody like myself (that would spend hours crafting, trading) I want to be limited to 500 people... when I should have access to 5000 !
I want to play the market, I want to bid / outbid other players. I'd want all that to be done on a truly dynamic economy that fluctuates as player demand changes. In an economy that isn't lead by a few idiots that think they can rig the market price of items by monopolising due to extortionate pricing !

But hey... you keep your segregated mini guild ah system !

Guid wars 2 had a global auction house am that didn't stop people from monopolizing items, I.E legendary precursors...and with the guild store update allowing guilds to purchase vendors to sell their goods adds a whole new level to trade guilds. I personally enjoy the multi market system created by the exclusion of a global auction house. I understand what you want, I don't think you understand the opinion that many like myself share. It not just fun using the item you want but it's also the journey of acquiring it, with it be from a boss at the end of dungeon, a treasure chest or just being in the right place at the right time when someone is selling something you need.

k9mouse

I like the local small markets and I do not want an AH.

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO

Cyanhide wrote: »

The only reason I don't like the current guild AH is because well, currently ESO still feels to much like a single player.

The fun stuff about AH'ses? is they bring people together, make towns alive. ESO could use some of that. It would be easy to remove the epics or what ya call them inhere, so rare stays rare.

I believe the opposite to be true, the exclusion of an AH brings people together through player to player trades, people travel back to towns / previous zones to shout in zone chat selling there goods. I know my friends list is full of people whom I have traded with and now contact regularly for enchants, potions and materials

gladen5rwb17_ESO

Delete: old news

Makkir

Sorry you want a non-immersive, automated system to sell and buy stuff.
Really don't need a wasted thread on this argument since it's been made already. I think the old AH thread is still down below some place.
In short, you're not getting an Auction House.

Makkir

seanolan wrote: »

You know what kills me? The sheer stupidity and bull-headedness of so many AH fanboys. ZoS has stated, numerous times, their reasoning behind not having an AH. And the best counter arguments the fanboys have ever come up with is either "But it's hard to find my Mighty Stick of Beatdown in 10 minutes without one" or, failing that, when ZoS explains the problems with having a global AH in a world-wide megaserver, they simply respond "Nuh-uh!"

It boils down to they don't want to spend time on finding the stuff. They want to be cool without effort. Never mind that they miss the triumph of finding the item or the person who has the item; they just want instant gratification.

These are the same folks who have all the Skyrim console commands memorized.

Instant Gratification. It's the psychology behind this new era of MMO players.
An Auction House is an enabler.

Makkir

Blackwidow wrote: »

gcalex5 wrote: »

I don't understand why people are so against this.

Fear of WoW. WoW had it, so it's evil.

That is the only real reason. All else is B.S.

Once again, the farse comparisons. WoW is a game where the best gear comes from PvE content, not player crafted like ESO.
Auction House serves a different purpose in WoW, and works based on it's type of MMO and economy.
You're talking about a Rhino and an Elephant here.

Laerania_ESO

Some people here sound as big corporations pushing interventionist government laws. That's called crony capitalism.

An AH? free market, more competence? come on Zenimax don't ruin the (my) economy, protect my business!, I want the monopoly!

Allyah

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

Allyah wrote: »

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

Fine by me. Anyone who thinks this topic warrants a serious response at this point is wasting their time.

Any valid points about the topic have already been made, and gone completely lost on the intended audience.

Redundance works against things getting lost, so it's absolutely normal, that people repeat over and over the same things. In this specific case, the AH must not be forgotten, that's why threads demanding it will pop up continously until ESO devs will surrender to reason.

I btw. got the shield I searched for after 6.5h of searching.

That number is just so hillarious, that I hope it'll make some Devs, but also some of the people saying that "this is working as intended", listen, though those comments were ironical, ESO Devs programing time-sinks of that dimension though, will only become ironical once ESO devs need to invest time / money on winning back players that they lost through their own stolidity.

How certain you sound about uncertainties.

I trust in the fact that Zenimax wants to earn money, and therefor they'll do what they can to make players play, instead of cancelling their subs.

And there's always that one statement of Kant, that humans have a need to turn towards rationality.

I know, some people's behaviour in the internet would make one suspect differently, but I'm absolutely confident that humans cannot refuse to be rational for an indefinite amount of time.

My statement concerned your seeming assumptions that the majority wanted or needed an AH. Yes, it would be the rational thing to do for Zenimax to cater to the players every whim in order to keep their players' money. Unless, of course, those whims weren't the majority. And unless, of course, those whims often contradicted each other and would cause the game to be nearly unplayable if those whims were always followed.

I have to disagree. There are some humans that can refuse to be rational indefinitely. Just look at the number of people still arguing they need an AH when they clearly don't. The rational response would be to play a game with an AH instead of one without it or to adapt to not having one. Not demanding that an AH be implemented because some apparently can't function in a game where you are inconvenienced in the slightest.

Soloeus

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

This is an old rant.

Yes, but the oldies are the goodies !

And yes we should have a global AH in this game. It seems Zenimax were too short sighted to realise that though !

No they aren't. they are trying to make an MMO that isn't like every other MMO out there. Join a trade guild or a few of them and look around.

Doesn't help. This argument is a Bait-And-Switch, and serves as an Apologist Line.

MikeMoss

Hi

I started out trying to make sets of armor.

I soon found out it wasn't worth the effort because I leveled out of whatever before I got a complete set.

By the time I had 3 or 4 pieces I needed to start all over with the next level of stuff.

I just quit bothering with it and wear what I have that has the buffs I need.

If there was an auction, I would put together a set and use it until I needed to upgrade and then do it again etc.

I'm not going to spend my game time, looking for someone who has the missing pieces, I want to be out killing things.

I don't know if the same thing happens after level 50, maybe at that point it would be worth putting a set together, but I haven't been there long enough to figure that out yet.

Mike

moxiesauce

Guild Kiosks will give the game a more AH feel, hopefully will even bring in more trading by opening up guild stores to the public. ~122 different AH though lol.

Blackwidow

Makkir wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

gcalex5 wrote: »

I don't understand why people are so against this.

Fear of WoW. WoW had it, so it's evil.

That is the only real reason. All else is B.S.

Once again, the farse comparisons. WoW is a game where the best gear comes from PvE content, not player crafted like ESO.
Auction House serves a different purpose in WoW, and works based on it's type of MMO and economy.
You're talking about a Rhino and an Elephant here.

Okay, so why would player crafted items not want to be on an AH?

I'm not an economist, so please use small words.

Crumpy

These posts where people state that AHs make it too easy etc - that's the biggest pile of fanboy rubbish. You can spam chat and join more than one guild but a single AH would just be toooo easy.

Please.

Maybe, with the way the two servers are, ZOS can't work a global AH? I dunno.

Oh and the 'mmo doing things differently 'mantra you FBs spout all the time, that's not a good argument.

Phantax

The only way this games economy will ever work properly is when we have a functional global/factional Auction House.
There have been dozens of threads and 1000s of players asking for one. Really, it's about time Zenimax just admitted this is something they need to put into the game !

Pupsy

Before posting these, begging for one, read what zenimax has already said.


-Tabards and insignias will be in a future update to allow you to represent your guild.
-Guild stores will be our ingame market, no plans for a global auction house
-Plans for more guild ranks
-10% “house cut” when using guild stores to sell is a gold sink we designed.
-Working on fixing guild bank to make items stack properly and more easily searchable
-Ability to blacklist player accounts from a guild is something we are discussing
-Maximum guild size is 500, you can be a member of up to 5 guilds.

Read the whole thing here: http://dulfy.net/2014/03/20/eso-reddit-ama-summmary/

Blackwidow

Pupsy wrote: »

Before posting these, begging for one, read what zenimax has already said.


-Tabards and insignias will be in a future update to allow you to represent your guild.
-Guild stores will be our ingame market, no plans for a global auction house
-Plans for more guild ranks
-10% “house cut” when using guild stores to sell is a gold sink we designed.
-Working on fixing guild bank to make items stack properly and more easily searchable
-Ability to blacklist player accounts from a guild is something we are discussing
-Maximum guild size is 500, you can be a member of up to 5 guilds.

Read the whole thing here: http://dulfy.net/2014/03/20/eso-reddit-ama-summmary/

To be fair, at one point they had no plans for true first person view.

At one point they had no plans for dueling.

ZOS takes a while, but they slowly learn players want good systems in their MMOs.

Now, I'm not saying an AH is exactly the way to go, but i will say the GAHs (guild auction houses) are not working, IMHO.

emeraldbay

Blackwidow wrote: »

Pupsy wrote: »

Before posting these, begging for one, read what zenimax has already said.


-Tabards and insignias will be in a future update to allow you to represent your guild.
-Guild stores will be our ingame market, no plans for a global auction house
-Plans for more guild ranks
-10% “house cut” when using guild stores to sell is a gold sink we designed.
-Working on fixing guild bank to make items stack properly and more easily searchable
-Ability to blacklist player accounts from a guild is something we are discussing
-Maximum guild size is 500, you can be a member of up to 5 guilds.

Read the whole thing here: http://dulfy.net/2014/03/20/eso-reddit-ama-summmary/

To be fair, at one point they had no plans for true first person view.

At one point they had no plans for dueling.

ZOS takes a while, but they slowly learn players want good systems in their MMOs.

Now, I'm not saying an AH is exactly the way to go, but i will say the GAHs (guild auction houses) are not working, IMHO.

They've noted that guild stores aren't the best right now. They're making changes to the system for a reason.

I honestly think that the game will be just fine, if not better, for not having a global auction house. The next content update will go a pretty long way to make guild stores a more viable option, and they'll continue to improve on the system until they're happy with it.

Scarletblaze

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

Hi.

Today I searched for 5h for a "Bastion of the Dragon" in VR12. I offered up to 30k at some time, still, I didn't find anybody, probably not because such a person doesn't exist wanting to sell one, but simply because he's busy with other things / in a different zone / whatever.

Instead of having fears, about that the Mega-server-structure would crash the economy, think what you're doing to us players. We want to play your game and have fun, but you're preventing us from doing so, because seriously, who goes and plays when 1 piece of critical equipment is missing?

Hoping that you fix this soon.

@Seraiel (EU)

Unfortunately for you, most players are just now hitting the veteran zones. It will be a little while before you see tons of vr12 items for sale.

As for auction house, this game would become another 'WoW' clone economy wise. =( At least with the current system, it encourages players to actually interact with each other (you can be in 5 guilds at once) and makes it easier to 'barter' with the seller instead of silent bidding/selling.

Phantax

Blackwidow wrote: »

To be fair, at one point they had no plans for true first person view.

At one point they had no plans for dueling.

ZOS takes a while, but they slowly learn players want good systems in their MMOs.

Now, I'm not saying an AH is exactly the way to go, but i will say the GAHs (guild auction houses) are not working, IMHO.

+1

Couldn't have said it better myself

Blackwidow

emeraldbay wrote: »

I honestly think that the game will be just fine, if not better, for not having a global auction house. The next content update will go a pretty long way to make guild stores a more viable option, and they'll continue to improve on the system until they're happy with it.

I really do not see how the two things they are doing improving anything.

Not to be negative, but how is opening up a few more guild stores to buy from going to help me sell my items?

You might say, "Join those few guilds that have open stores"

We both know that is a limited option at best. Also, to be fair, mostly gold sellers will own those spots in the PvE areas.

Who else is going to spend in game gold to bid on shop lots?

Blackwidow

One of these threads needs to close. I'm having the same conversation in both threads.

Phantax

Blackwidow wrote: »

One of these threads needs to close. I'm having the same conversation in both threads.

Yes but each thread does have some good comments and a lot a varied views !

Blackwidow

Phantax wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

One of these threads needs to close. I'm having the same conversation in both threads.

Yes but each thread does have some good comments and a lot a varied views !

Thanks, but it is not just about me, others post pretty well, too.

Shunravi

Phantax wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

One of these threads needs to close. I'm having the same conversation in both threads.

Yes but each thread does have some good comments and a lot a varied views !

And in any case, it's an interesting point of discussion.

Bramir

No AH also means that gold buyers (you know...the reason we had to live with bots when the game went live) can't necessarily get the advantage they are trying to get...

Personally, I like things to be rare, and I like to craft, which makes you fairly self-sufficient in this game.

Blackwidow

Bramir wrote: »

No AH also means that gold buyers (you know...the reason we had to live with bots when the game went live) can't necessarily get the advantage they are trying to get...

Personally, I like things to be rare, and I like to craft, which makes you fairly self-sufficient in this game.

Gold buyers don't need an AH.

They are doing just fine. And soon they will get to bid on their own kiosk!

Cogo

When Blizzard initially designed and implemented the auction houses for Diablo III, the driving goal was to provide a convenient and secure system for trades. But as the team mentioned on different occasions, it became increasingly clear that despite the benefits of the AH system and the fact that many players around the world use it, it ultimately undermines Diablo's core game play: kill monsters to get cool loot. With that in mind, Blizzard wants to let everyone know that they've decided to remove the gold and real-money auction house system from Diablo III.

Source
http://news.mmosite.com/content/2013-09-18/blizzard_to_shut_down_diablo_iii_auction_houses.shtml

wrlifeboil

Cogo wrote: »

When Blizzard initially designed and implemented the auction houses for Diablo III, the driving goal was to provide a convenient and secure system for trades. But as the team mentioned on different occasions, it became increasingly clear that despite the benefits of the AH system and the fact that many players around the world use it, it ultimately undermines Diablo's core game play: kill monsters to get cool loot. With that in mind, Blizzard wants to let everyone know that they've decided to remove the gold and real-money auction house system from Diablo III.

Source
http://news.mmosite.com/content/2013-09-18/blizzard_to_shut_down_diablo_iii_auction_houses.shtml

That's what came out of the public relations flak filters.

Guess you weren't in on that 200+ page forum thread where Blizzard's CEO posted an apology to D3 fans. He got lots of credit for wading into the D3 general discussion mosh pit though.