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Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

But that`s not the issue here, as pointed out by many others. It`s about randomly altering the focus of existing sets, not the introduction of a new tier.

How about you guys look at the bigger picture and realize the collateral damage in this case is larger than the benefit, since these sets in question are not tied to stamina issues and it was pointed out already, that a cautious change wouldve been fine (turning spellcrit into spelldamage or max magicka).

The proposed change however is not. It`s a bulldozer change, not taking any efforts into account players have gone through to max their gear.

There's no stat in the game that counters 42% spell pen

There is a stat that counters Crits

Selodaoc wrote: »

Bad analogy. Theres no change in the amount of spell crit you can gain after patch.
Ontop of that, the issue with Magicka vs Stamina is not becouse of the sets.

Better analogy is you bought a Ferrari, they take it away and give you a bicycle but dont give you any money back, then they introduce a new Ferarri that is exactly like your old one, but that you now have to pay for, again.

Im a NB, and i also want changes, and one of my sets are for stamina useage.

The problem is the amount of money people have put into existing sets.
Sets that now change entirely in stats, from damage to tank.
Sure, you can grind like a monkey for a month to get the materials, again.
But players shouldnt have to, not when they already gathered all that up.

Whats to say they dont rotate all the stats on all the gear again in a month?
Is that some kind of endgame content to force people to grind?

You didnt buy a Ferrari, you made one out of what was intended to be 2 bicycles. Then you spent all your gold on Ferrari stickers to convince yourself it really was a Ferrari. Didn't you ever wonder why you got a Ferrari and every other playstyle got a bicycle?

They haven't rotated any stats. do you chose the magnus set for 100 magicka? or the warlock set for 11 magick regen? No, you chose them for the unique effect they have. Willows unique effect is still there, and its been improved, as with twilight.

The set changes were to improve crafting and character customization. They could not add new sets because the crafted set bonus' are horizontal progression. If they added new sets to improve crafting without changing the old ones the new sets would completely outclass the old ones.

Selodaoc wrote: »

Its not to decrease spell crit, you can still get as much spell crit by taking other sets.

No you cannot.

Crafted sets are losing 6% spell crit. The most shown so far is 4%, whereas currently you can craft 10% spell crit.

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

No, you chose them for the unique effect they have. Willows unique effect is still there, and its been improved, as with twilight.

Nearly 100% of players who wear Willow's Path do so for the +Spell Crit. That's the part that's gone, remapped to Health Recovery.

Moreover, I would bet that the vast majority of players who chase Spell Crit have little interest in Health Recovery. The former is a DPS/ Healing stat (and an important one). The latter is a tanking stat (and a nearly useless one).

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

Just because the players are using the set as a dps set, doesnt mean it was intended to be a dps set.

A set with 5% Crit was intended as, what, then.. a prom dress?

Regeneration? like its main effect had? The effect that isn't being removed? The effect that is being strengthened and applied to more attributes than just health with this patch? The effect thats having its only-during-day clause removed? what don't you understand?

Talking about Willows and Twilight the main set piece bonus is the one CALLED Willow's Path or Twilight's Embrace - that is the unique set effect? This is what the set was intended for. The reason they are changing these is quite obviously because they were used in a way that wasn't at all intended (only for the spell crit).

I'm not going to say that they shouldn't refund some of the legendary mats, but to say that the +spell crit was the intention of the set is delusional. It's getting removed because people were using it in a way that wasn't intended, that simple.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

Regeneration? like its main effect had? The effect that isn't being removed? The effect that is being strengthened and applied to more attributes than just health with this patch? The effect thats having its only-during-day clause removed? what don't you understand?

Because everyone went for this set for maximising spellcrit chance, combining the most accessible combination of sets which offered exactly that. A bit stubborn over there, ha?

So the main effect of willows is regen (5p) and the main effect of twilight (3p) is healing? Are you sure that it isn`t you twisting facts around in whatever fashion suits your agenda, since your so called main effects are switching positions? What do both sets have in common? What`s the stackable effect on those sets? Ah...right, it`s the spellcrit...

Main effects are always the named effects on sets. Doesn't matter whether you use 5, 3, 1 or 1000 pieces of that set. Your desired effects are not the main effects, not even because that's why people use them. Unintended mechanics should be changed, gets changed and you can't keep the old ones.

I'm fine with ZoS giving back 2-3 legendary mats or something per set piece traded in under a week or two. It shouldn't be a full refund as these sets have already been useful for a long time by then.

same here... I've got 5pc Twlight and 3pc Willow that basically gutted Spell Crit from both sets.

That's fine by me... BUT - I'd like my Mats back for making those 8 pc's of LEGENDARY gear so I can go make another set of Yellow now.
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I'm totally fine with tuning things, but once you screw with crafted items that have been upgraded then I've got issues as a player. I saved up ALL my gold mats during that crapfest grind from VR1 to VR12 to now have them useless.

ZOS - Make those changes and just be ready to REFUND mats if you are serious about doing this change. Nothing is going to *** off people more than logging into game and seeing all the stuff they upgraded now NULL.

Lets see.. takes 9 Gold to make a Legendary Piece times 5 pieces that's roughly 45 Dreugh Wax plus a KUTA for my gold Enhancement. That doesn't even include the Purple (20 Elegant Lining) or Blue (15 Embroidery) upgrade mats - (I'm fine TRADING it in or creating a TICKET as well if you want).

Whats with people saying people who crafted Legendary gear should not be compensated?? To all of you who think this way: what the heck does it have anything to do with you and why do you even care if someone is asking for compensation?

Why do you want to deny them of these compensation?

People have invested time and money into this game. They've put in the effort to get what they want, and now what they want was taken away from them without any action on their part. That to me is being a "victim" and if we can't help a "victim" in any way the least we can do is shut up. Not add salt to the wound.

You think people are stupid to invest in legendary gear, what because it's FOTM.. it's only 3 months into launch, they abused the system imbalance.. Really?

People are different, they play the game different from you. They saw the value in legendaries, you didn't. They decided to invest in them, it's THEIR wish. Saying what they think is wrong is like "Hey you're stupid to buy a Ferarri, duh-uh I'm a smartz because I boughts a Toyota, that brings me point A to point B just fine.."
Please, stahp.

I don't even own legendary gear. All i have is one legendary staff and I don't really care if it gets compensated or not. But I know how *hard* it is to collect these mats (i have several tens of them), and I can't even imagine the frustration if all that effort put into collecting them were to be just taken away because of something that wasn't my fault. If you do own legendaries but are willing to accept the change, good on you. But please don't stop people who paid the price for an object they did not want from asking for a refund.

And if nothing get's done, ZoS you can be sure people will quit. Not because of friggin in game mats and items, but because they are voicing a concern that is outright getting ignored. You can be sure that kind of attitude will drive people away.

And by the way, these very people - the 'min-maxers', they are the ones that are in for the long run. Think about it.

I also have a lot invested in my gear. 56 yellow upgrade mats to be exact. However, when doing this I knew it would not last for two reasons:

1. The game is very new and very subject to change. Builds, gear, skills, etc.. Don't get attached to anything yet.

2. Gear in MMOs always has a somewhat short shelf life. Level cap raise is never that far off.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks and I feel for you, but it's definitely no reason to quit. That gear was never going to last anyway. Learn your class well (which can change but costs nothing with the SP refund) and you'll melt legendary geared FotMs with your green gear on a regular basis.

Maverick827 wrote: »

My guess is the people who are against compensation are those...

People who enjoy the misfortune of others tend to outnumber those with empathy for strangers. All the more so in MMO's, which attract a disproportionate number of immature or malformed personalities.

whsprwind wrote: »

And if nothing get's done, ZoS you can be sure people will quit. Not because of friggin in game mats and items, but because they are voicing a concern that is outright getting ignored. You can be sure that kind of attitude will drive people away.

Yep - this is the issue. People will replace their gear eventually. But nobody likes having a thumb stuck in their eye. That sort of thing comes to mind when it's time to decide where to spend money.

So now that my eyes are blurry from taking the time to read everything posted here what I am taking away from this is,

1. we want our mats back ( i have no problem with a reimbursement policy )
2. we want our Op combination back ( that is not gonna happen)
3. vr12's complaining about grinding more mats/gold IF you have accomplished everything there is to do in the game other then PVP What else is there to do?
except make another toon or grind?
4.If we don't get what we want we will quit, That imho is not the way to go about getting said mats back if you tweaked down the I'm NOT OP anymore because you changed the sets and concentrated on the OK your changing sets can we please get our rather expensive mats back you might actually accomplish your goal.

I have been playing MMo's for too many years to list here and the one thing that will not win your argument with management no matter which company it is, Is stating that you will quit because ( hidden in the text of said arguments) I'm losing my Opness.
Regardless of how they go about game balance issues from thier perspective its gonna happen so concentrate on a mats reimbursement policy and move on. Sorry to say but if you need to place blame depending on your build and current light armor,3 piece jewelry setup and you know who you are look in the mirror as to why this Boomstick targetted the set bonuses and not just a skill tweak.

Just my 2 cents hopefully it make some $ense to a few others.

Huh... I suppose the good thing was that when a hit VR12 a while ago (questing, not grinding) I thought to myself "This is a new game and there will definitely be some major changes when it comes to levels or available sets fairly soon. I should probably wait with crafting legendary sets, because epics aren't much worse..."

TBH I'm not sure there's any reason why people should demand a refund - I'm an MMO newb, but even I know that MMOs can change significantly any time and can ruin people's builds or gear. If anything, you know of this change fairly early, so it's either time to intervene or earn money/find mats for new sets.

Also - it's really not that difficult to earn money in this game after completing all the zones. Go to Cyrodiil. Go to Craglorn. Raid public dungeons - do you know how much loot and money these things can give? I assume not, but let me assure you - as a VR12 I can still earn a fair share of coin and that's not just because I'm a crafter.