No AH (Auction House) = crap

philip.ploegerb16_ESO · July 2014

Hi.

Today I searched for 5h for a "Bastion of the Dragon" in VR12. I offered up to 30k at some time, still, I didn't find anybody, probably not because such a person doesn't exist wanting to sell one, but simply because he's busy with other things / in a different zone / whatever.

Instead of having fears, about that the Mega-server-structure would crash the economy, think what you're doing to us players. We want to play your game and have fun, but you're preventing us from doing so, because seriously, who goes and plays when 1 piece of critical equipment is missing?

Hoping that you fix this soon.

@Seraiel (EU)

Anilahation · July 2014

Working as intended, they don't want things to be easy to find.

frwinters_ESO · July 2014

This is an old rant.

seanolan · July 2014

Yeah, wah, wah, wah, you spent 5 hours looking for a rare item. Almost like, I don't know, the game designers wanted it to be, you know...rare.

Blackwidow · July 2014

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Working as intended, they don't want things to be easy to find.

Because...

dharbert · July 2014

Yes, an auction house is sorely needed, but I guess they would rather have 10,000 posts per hour in zone chat for WTB or WTS.

If they won't implement an auction house, then at least give us a separate trade chat channel.

Anilahation · July 2014

That's how they envisioned the game, not only that a global AH would remove player interaction.

Phantax · July 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

This is an old rant.

Yes, but the oldies are the goodies !

And yes we should have a global AH in this game. It seems Zenimax were too short sighted to realise that though !

frwinters_ESO · July 2014

Phantax wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

This is an old rant.

Yes, but the oldies are the goodies !

And yes we should have a global AH in this game. It seems Zenimax were too short sighted to realise that though !

No they aren't. they are trying to make an MMO that isn't like every other MMO out there. Join a trade guild or a few of them and look around.

NorthernFury · July 2014

I'd like to see something besides the current system, but, ZoS did a good job keeping the gold sellers out!

seanolan · July 2014

You know what kills me? The sheer stupidity and bull-headedness of so many AH fanboys. ZoS has stated, numerous times, their reasoning behind not having an AH. And the best counter arguments the fanboys have ever come up with is either "But it's hard to find my Mighty Stick of Beatdown in 10 minutes without one" or, failing that, when ZoS explains the problems with having a global AH in a world-wide megaserver, they simply respond "Nuh-uh!"

It boils down to they don't want to spend time on finding the stuff. They want to be cool without effort. Never mind that they miss the triumph of finding the item or the person who has the item; they just want instant gratification.

These are the same folks who have all the Skyrim console commands memorized.

Phantax · July 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

This is an old rant.

Yes, but the oldies are the goodies !

And yes we should have a global AH in this game. It seems Zenimax were too short sighted to realise that though !

No they aren't. they are trying to make an MMO that isn't like every other MMO out there. Join a trade guild or a few of them and look around.

Yeah because for somebody like myself (that would spend hours crafting, trading) I want to be limited to 500 people... when I should have access to 5000 !
I want to play the market, I want to bid / outbid other players. I'd want all that to be done on a truly dynamic economy that fluctuates as player demand changes. In an economy that isn't lead by a few idiots that think they can rig the market price of items by monopolising due to extortionate pricing !

But hey... you keep your segregated mini guild ah system !

nerevarine1138 · July 2014

Oh good. Another auction house thread. Because the few hundred we've already had weren't enough.

OP: the lack of one centralized auction house is a deliberate design choice. You want a specific item? Put in some effort.

Blackwidow · July 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Oh good. Another auction house thread. Because the few hundred we've already had weren't enough.

I agree. We need more.

OP: the lack of one centralized auction house is a deliberate design choice

A deliberate choice does not mean the right choice. I think ZOS is slowly learning that.

gcalex5 · July 2014

I don't understand why people are so against this. It doesn't make and item more rare it just makes it and annoyance to find what you are looking for by having to hop through trade guilds and spam in zone chat to find something and completely takes a massive dump on any chance of having a stable economy. But that's just my 2 cents on the issue.

Blackwidow · July 2014

gcalex5 wrote: »

I don't understand why people are so against this.

Fear of WoW. WoW had it, so it's evil.

That is the only real reason. All else is B.S.

seanolan · July 2014

gcalex5 wrote: »

I don't understand why people are so against this. It doesn't make and item more rare it just makes it and annoyance to find what you are looking for by having to hop through trade guilds and spam in zone chat to find something and completely takes a massive dump on any chance of having a stable economy. But that's just my 2 cents on the issue.

Because, unlike the post which mentioned selling to a potential 5000 members in a normal auction house, because other MMOs have separate servers, an AH on ESO would have a potential 200,000 members (conservatively! Many estimations of the members on the US server are much higher, but ZoS isn't telling). Even if only 1% of the members were selling rare items, that means there could be hundreds, thousands of rare items in the AH. Rarity just went down the tubes - anyone with money can find the Mighty *** of Thor with no effort. In addition, I don't code, but I imagine the search queries on a megaserver-wide AH would be incredibly taxing to the game itself.

Cyanhide · July 2014

The only reason I don't like the current guild AH is because well, currently ESO still feels to much like a single player.

The fun stuff about AH'ses? is they bring people together, make towns alive. ESO could use some of that. It would be easy to remove the epics or what ya call them inhere, so rare stays rare.

Phantax · July 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

gcalex5 wrote: »

I don't understand why people are so against this.

Fear of WoW. WoW had it, so it's evil.

That is the only real reason. All else is B.S.

Sadly that's probably part true. Funny thing is most of those people conveniently forget it also worked bloody well ! ! !

Blackwidow · July 2014

Phantax wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

gcalex5 wrote: »

I don't understand why people are so against this.

Fear of WoW. WoW had it, so it's evil.

That is the only real reason. All else is B.S.

Sadly that's probably part true. Funny thing is most of those people conveniently forget it also worked bloody well ! ! !

True dat!

Lodestar · July 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

This is an old rant.

Still a valid one. As far as rants go, which is not bad come to think on it.

Blackwidow wrote: »

A deliberate choice does not mean the right choice. I think ZOS is slowly learning that.

You would think if the devs said they wanted players to eat turd sandwiches, people would say it was a good idea, because the devs designed it that way.

Face facts, the devs did a good job, on much of this game. But there are some glaring holes by what seems to be failed experiments. Props for trying, but I think it is time to call it on a couple of ideas.

Phantax · July 2014

Oh and on a slightly different note not.

The most successful, dynamic economy in an MMO is EVE Online.
Which BTW is a global AH on a mega-server !

Cyanhide · July 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

gcalex5 wrote: »

I don't understand why people are so against this.

Fear of WoW. WoW had it, so it's evil.

That is the only real reason. All else is B.S.

Obviously because WoW invtented the AH... right? I do agree that there is a real fear of WoW, understandable because WoW set the MMO development back ages. And now the WoW players are slowly getting tired of their GOD so they are migrating like locust. Which in return creates toxic community's.

Phantax · July 2014

Cyanhide wrote: »

And now the WoW players are slowly getting tired of their GOD so they are migrating like locust. Which in return creates toxic community's.

Yeah, must be terrible for Blizzard only having that 6+ million players. Oh and to be exact WoW subs are actually increasing again !
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Cyanhide · July 2014

Phantax wrote: »

Cyanhide wrote: »

And now the WoW players are slowly getting tired of their GOD so they are migrating like locust. Which in return creates toxic community's.

Yeah, must be terrible for Blizzard only having that 6+ million players. Oh and to be exact WoW are actually increasing again !
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Accounts and active players are two different things, WoW still has the largest playerbase agreed, but the numbers are skewed.

Anywho no hate here, everyone needs a game.

Muletide · July 2014

E-bay wasn't invented until after the 4th Era, when the Septim-ISP connected all the lands together through Dwemer fiber optics and people could access all trade outlets through one Azura-net portal.

Arsenic_Touch · July 2014

I'm content where there being no centralized AH. To add one would trivialize the guild stores in cyrodiil(it's amazing how many people don't realize that when a guild claims a keep, you can purchase and sell through their store) it will trivialize the upcoming stalls that will be set up in city hubs for guilds.

So the guild store system is actually a lot bigger than people even realize and if they took even a fraction of the time to explore the other guild stores they might find what they're looking for. But hey that would require some effort.

The game does need a global trade channel though.

gcalex5 · July 2014

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

I'm content where there being no centralized AH. To add one would trivialize the guild stores in cyrodiil(it's amazing how many people don't realize that when a guild claims a keep, you can purchase and sell through their store) it will trivialize the upcoming stalls that will be set up in city hubs for guilds.

So the guild store system is actually a lot bigger than people even realize and if they took even a fraction of the time to explore the other guild stores they might find what they're looking for. But hey that would require some effort.

The game does need a global trade channel though.

I agree that if implemented correctly this could work out very well. But for a lot of people myself included who don't have hours a day to spend gaming if I want to find something to buy I don't want to have to spend all that time trying to find exactly what I need/want.

To me it's all about them finding a middle ground that makes both parties happy and a global AH may or may not be that(most likely not) but what we have right now certainly isn't it either.

SFBryan18 · July 2014

Why would you abbreviate if you are just going to put what it means right afterwards?

AH (Auction House)

DIM (Does It Make) YFC (You Feel Cool)?

Utildai · July 2014

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

Hi.

Today I searched for 5h for a "Bastion of the Dragon" in VR12. I offered up to 30k at some time, still, I didn't find anybody, probably not because such a person doesn't exist wanting to sell one, but simply because he's busy with other things / in a different zone / whatever.

Instead of having fears, about that the Mega-server-structure would crash the economy, think what you're doing to us players. We want to play your game and have fun, but you're preventing us from doing so, because seriously, who goes and plays when 1 piece of critical equipment is missing?

Hoping that you fix this soon.

@Seraiel (EU)

You must be new here....

Erlindur · July 2014

What about an independent global trade chat channel? Everyone that wants to sell or buy something can join it. It is mostly text so you can implement a simple search function for your log history. When you've done, you can leave it. That will keep zone free for all other kinds of spamming.