ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We understand and respect the frustration in regards to the performance issues. We have our Engineering and QA teams currently working on tracking down and testing several things that we believe are contributing to the problem. This is a bit of a nebulous issue, as it has several contributing factors. Each time we nail down a contributing factor and fix it, we push that fix live. We promise to continue to keep you updated, and we do apologize that the issue is still persisting.

Cool you have working your team on it? Now?

I wonder what you present at the Quake-Com? The real game? Or some special server to impress the folks at the fair?

I understand everyone that complain about nearly 3 weeks unplayable cyrodil! Why you dont put your efforts in the one major issue you have that cause players to leave this still stunning and amazing game?

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Beeftips wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

This game is going into the books as one of the buggiest, unplayable messes in MMO history.

And with a dev team that seems utterly, irrefutably lost.

I can't fathom what they're thinking anymore. I really don't know. No free time to try to recoup possible lost subs. Letting major fixes go past major US holidays without being applied, leaving even more lost play time, little to useless communication aside from the occasional empty platitude followed by forum mods stomping on people for being rightfully upset.

Why should I ever in a million years ever give you a penny of my money again?

I don't go back to a restaurant that leaves hair in my food and won't replace it. I sure as heck don't want to continue feeding your feckless dev team.

I don't think the tards at Zenimax realize how their actions in ESO have effected their reputation along with the reputation of the elder scrolls franchise.

I don't know if I'll ever buy a bethesda/Zenimax game again. The lack of motivation to fix these major bugs has left a bitter taste in my mouth toward all elder scrolls and fallout games. I really don't want Zenimax to ever get another penny of my money.

You really nailed my feelings there, Beeftips.

I have been a huge Bethesda/Zenimax fan for years (hence getting into ESO). I loved Morrowind, then Oblivion (Shivering Isles remains my favorite Xpack of any game EVER), Fallout 3, then New Vegas, then Skyrim.

I have a Fallout Boy bobble head sitting next to my Anduin statuette from the various collector's editions. I use the art books as my coffee table books. My fiancee and I, before we started living together and were in a long distance relationship, would do 'let's play's with just each other playing through the same parts of Oblivion while on VoIP. These games held a deep, deep place in my heart.

That ESO is failing this miserably, that it is so terribly unfun to play, is destroying my love of these franchises and my faith in ZOS and Bethesda.

You are doing to the franchises I love what Bioware did, ZOS. They destroyed Mass Effect with that joke of a series ending and wrecked Star Wars with SW:TOR's 1.2 patch while releasing an awful, awful sequel to Dragon Age.

It's watching a second developer commit all the same mistakes and errors and crash and burn, leaving me broken hearted.

While the Lag is awful in this game

You do realize you're talking about Bethesda games right? Games that are usually some of the most buggy games on the market. Also New Vegas wasn't made by Bethesda, That was made by Obsidian.

As for destroying Mass Effect..While the ending was terrible (until they actually released that free dlc) they didn't come close to destroying that IP, when ME4 is released it'll sell millions like Dragon Age 3 is going to sell.

Same with SWTOR, not only does it have a pretty decent amount of subscribers, it's got a ton of people that pony up money for the F2P system as well.

ZOS would be happy with anything remotely resembling SWTOR playerbase, and would kill for anything remotely close to ME/Dragon Age series in sales.

In otherwords, Your hyperbole sucks

Selling millions doesn't make a game good. That's what I was speaking to.

But next you'll tell me how deep and meaningful of a gaming experience I will find in the Call of Duty and NBA2KXX and FIFA Soccer games.

Selling Millions of copies doesn't make a game good

But selling 10 Copies of a good game, vs 10 million copies of a bad game...a Business will choose 10 million every time.

Hence why those *** games you're talking about get made, Because they sell.

I'll offer another example if that flies over your head

you can go on and on about how Michael Bay Movies are awful, But that still doesn't change the fact that the movie with the highest earned money this year is Transformers.

MADshadowman wrote: »

I can confirm that the patch didn't solve anything. But with every "fix" new issues appear. This is what i experienced the last days and today:

• FPS drops down to 1,5 (personal record)
• huge delays for skills, effects, input
• npc's and players are constantly invisible
• when porting back to a base keep, first there is no keep, then everything around me slowly starts to build up
• random load screens even in the middle of a fight
• sound suddenly disappears
• missing effects for skills and ults

...and all that jazz.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌
Please ask your devs if it wouldn't be possible to add a small function, executable via chat command (/flush), that flushes the memory instantly, so players wont have to relog everytime. That can't be so hard, and would help us very much til the issue finally is fixed.

You can't /flush your memory like that... it would flush everything in memory including every desirable part of the game that is loaded into memory....

rich_nicholsonb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We understand and respect the frustration in regards to the performance issues. We have our Engineering and QA teams currently working on tracking down and testing several things that we believe are contributing to the problem. This is a bit of a nebulous issue, as it has several contributing factors. Each time we nail down a contributing factor and fix it, we push that fix live. We promise to continue to keep you updated, and we do apologize that the issue is still persisting.

Why didn't they roll back to patch 1.2 a day after the fps problem started? There is no harm in saying "we screwed up". Also why did you continue to patch the EU server knowing there was an issue in the first place? and tomorrow your going to patch the EU server knowing that the fix is still not solving anything and some have reported its made it worse. It's crazy we're paying for all this!

Why they went ahead and pushed the patch to the EU servers anyways is a good question. It implies a bullheaded, gives no cares decision making process.

MADshadowman wrote: »

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

You can't /flush your memory like that... it would flush everything in memory including every desirable part of the game that is loaded into memory....

I'm sure there would be some data that could be flushed. Everything is better than:

• find a save place out of combat
• esc
• logout
• wait 10 seconds
• 10 seconds are over
• wait at least another 5 seconds
• 20 seconds loading screen
• character menu
• play
• loading icon
• loading screen
• 20-30 seconds later you're back

There has to be some built-in workaround for this issue til it's fixed.

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So frickin' unbelievable now, still, yea.

We all play in the PTS, Paid Test Server.

dcincali wrote: »

Remember when /reloadui would fix all the issues.. Oh the good old days..

This is something you need to do every now and then in Wildstar, just saying. Doesn't fix too much tho.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Beeftips wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

This game is going into the books as one of the buggiest, unplayable messes in MMO history.

And with a dev team that seems utterly, irrefutably lost.

I can't fathom what they're thinking anymore. I really don't know. No free time to try to recoup possible lost subs. Letting major fixes go past major US holidays without being applied, leaving even more lost play time, little to useless communication aside from the occasional empty platitude followed by forum mods stomping on people for being rightfully upset.

Why should I ever in a million years ever give you a penny of my money again?

I don't go back to a restaurant that leaves hair in my food and won't replace it. I sure as heck don't want to continue feeding your feckless dev team.

I don't think the tards at Zenimax realize how their actions in ESO have effected their reputation along with the reputation of the elder scrolls franchise.

I don't know if I'll ever buy a bethesda/Zenimax game again. The lack of motivation to fix these major bugs has left a bitter taste in my mouth toward all elder scrolls and fallout games. I really don't want Zenimax to ever get another penny of my money.

You really nailed my feelings there, Beeftips.

I have been a huge Bethesda/Zenimax fan for years (hence getting into ESO). I loved Morrowind, then Oblivion (Shivering Isles remains my favorite Xpack of any game EVER), Fallout 3, then New Vegas, then Skyrim.

I have a Fallout Boy bobble head sitting next to my Anduin statuette from the various collector's editions. I use the art books as my coffee table books. My fiancee and I, before we started living together and were in a long distance relationship, would do 'let's play's with just each other playing through the same parts of Oblivion while on VoIP. These games held a deep, deep place in my heart.

That ESO is failing this miserably, that it is so terribly unfun to play, is destroying my love of these franchises and my faith in ZOS and Bethesda.

You are doing to the franchises I love what Bioware did, ZOS. They destroyed Mass Effect with that joke of a series ending and wrecked Star Wars with SW:TOR's 1.2 patch while releasing an awful, awful sequel to Dragon Age.

It's watching a second developer commit all the same mistakes and errors and crash and burn, leaving me broken hearted.

While the Lag is awful in this game

You do realize you're talking about Bethesda games right? Games that are usually some of the most buggy games on the market. Also New Vegas wasn't made by Bethesda, That was made by Obsidian.

As for destroying Mass Effect..While the ending was terrible (until they actually released that free dlc) they didn't come close to destroying that IP, when ME4 is released it'll sell millions like Dragon Age 3 is going to sell.

Same with SWTOR, not only does it have a pretty decent amount of subscribers, it's got a ton of people that pony up money for the F2P system as well.

ZOS would be happy with anything remotely resembling SWTOR playerbase, and would kill for anything remotely close to ME/Dragon Age series in sales.

In otherwords, Your hyperbole sucks

Selling millions doesn't make a game good. That's what I was speaking to.

But next you'll tell me how deep and meaningful of a gaming experience I will find in the Call of Duty and NBA2KXX and FIFA Soccer games.

Selling Millions of copies doesn't make a game good

But selling 10 Copies of a good game, vs 10 million copies of a bad game...a Business will choose 10 million every time.

Hence why those *** games you're talking about get made, Because they sell.

I'll offer another example if that flies over your head

you can go on and on about how Michael Bay Movies are awful, But that still doesn't change the fact that the movie with the highest earned money this year is Transformers.

And if all they cared about were the hard numbers there'd never have been a redo of the ME3 ending. They had their money, why care about the good will of your customer base?

Or why have they backpedaled away from the DA2 style of game to stress the more open world aspects for DA3?

Yeah, Michael Bay movies make millions. Good movies make more. Titanic, Dark Knight, Avatar, et al. If you're an exec and have Titanic or Transformers 3 in front of you, what would YOU rather have added to your bottom line?

Putting out trash may give you a good baseline, being good gets you money by the bucket load.

If you want *me* to buy your game, don't be crappy. Sometimes I make a mistake and buy a crappy game, but I don't repeat that mistake if I can help it, which is the case here.

They put out a "redo" of the ending because they could still make money off the DLC's....The entire redo of the ending just fleshed out some of the weird parts of that original ending (like how my crew got on that ship suddenly?) The entire choice system didn't change. DA2 was actually even more interesting, It sold well, but they looked at the metrics and decided that the Expansion they were working on (which was going to be more open worldish) probably wouldn't do to good. Either way they made a buttload off the title because it sold a lot of copies and the development time was incredibly short (took like a year to release it) As for why they're stressing the old world nature in DA3? One simple answer..Skyrim

Its the same reason Witcher 3 is doing it as well, Because Skyrim sold a crap ton of copies, and people making games look at Skyrim, and decided that's how they're going to make their money. If Skyrim was a 1 room RPG, and it sold the same number of copies, Witcher 3 and DA3 would be a 1 room RPG.

As for good movies make more... Titanic was all intents of purposes, wasn't that great of a movie, It got a lot of money because of the male lead, which pulled in a large female audience...But don't pretend it was an amazing movie. Same with Avatar...Again..You really think that was an amazing movie? Or were you just "impressed" with the "graphics"

And if you really want to laugh

The Dark Knight Rises which is substantially better then Transformers 3, Made less over all.

In fact..transformers 3 is one of the worst movies I've ever seen..But its still number 7 on the highest grossing films of all time.

Samadhi wrote: »

DemonNinja wrote: »

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If this was truly the "number one priority" as the developers have stated over and over today's patch notes would have lead off with "Fixed issue causing severe FPS drop for some players in PvP". Instead we got "we made the game more easy because the casual players complained enough."
...

The FPS issue started impacting PvE players after the first attempted Cyrodiil fix. FPS drop was causing people to die to mobs.

So PvE was nerfed in difficulty to minimize the issues PvE Players have.

As long as the PvE players aren't vocally complaining about an issue, it can be put on the backburner.

Meanwhile those of us who want to maximize time in PvP are left out.

Really?

So when PvP players complain about skills they get owned with ZoS come along and nerfs them.
Those poor old PvP players just can't cope.