Please readjust the insane VR content nerf

khele23eb17_ESO · July 2014

Guppet wrote: »

Swampster wrote: »

Why do people who've already completed the VR content care anyway?

Because they had to walk up the hill backwards, on one leg, in a pink tutu, while it was snowing, with a blindfold on, with grandma on their shoulders, so everyone has to do it that way, or their willys will shrink.

Or pick up a staff, don a robe and aoe *** down :P

But I agree. This was NOT the way to fix it. Of course fixing things properly (adding a story arc with quests and VO, modifying existing quests, providing meaningful character advancement and itemization, balancing stam/mag builds, etc.) would require actual work and quite some dev time so... this is what we get.

c0rp · July 2014

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

For weeks now you so called advanced players have been pouncing on, insulting, belittling and trolling anybody who had the audacity to state that they found it too difficult.

Meanwhile the people that enjoyed the game all along will be long gone.

Its pretty obvious from comparing the 1-50 zones to the VR zones (population wise) who the majority is imo. This isnt rocket science. ZoS is going to ensure that the majority of people playing the game continue to do so when they get to VR.

Lunerdog · July 2014

Shunravi wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

NerfEverything wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

NerfEverything wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

Make the game harder for yourself if that's how you like to play.

How? You can do VR content naked with no skills slotted now.

How can I make it harder for myself? Play with one hand? Play with my eyes closed?

Ooh, an uber l33tist, bad luck dude

If asking for content that requires me to do something more than click a single button repeatedly over an enemy makes me an "uber l33tist" then yeah I guess so. Until then, I'll just let this bird level me to VR 12.

Relax Snowflake, I'm winding you up

For weeks now you so called advanced players have been pouncing on, insulting, belittling and trolling anybody who had the audacity to state that they found it too difficult.

Not once did any of you pause to think that there may have been a good reason for this or that the person may have had a disability etc.

(Yes, I have a disabled house bound friend who has great difficulty with this game and she daren't post for advice on here because of guys like you).

Boots on the other foot now and it's you guys who are unhappy.

Tough !!!

Hey, thanks for lumping us all into your prejudice man! It really means a lot!

What I have said sometimes may seem condescending and L2P, but my intentions have always been to try to encourage not belittle. It's amazing how hard it is to present that with text. Especially since the reader can put any tone to what he/she is reading, thus creating a bias.

You know what I have been doing in the month since I reached v12? Helping others through vet quests, traveling back to vet zones to help people (anyone who asks for it in chat) with bosses, dolmens, etc. I've beat em all, but I'll do it again to help someone out.

With text communication being what it is, people on any forum take things misconstrued, tempers flare. Those who have been posting a long time start to get ornery, or stop padding their posts. And even then, when they try to be actually helpful, people take it as either snide, or trolling.

If you are reading this with the wrong tone, I'm somewhat irked.
(Not offended, never offended... Lol)

Anyways, there are other forums you can go to for help with a problem.

And now I will end this with by wishing you and your friends the best, have a great time in tamriel!

And that seems like a genuine post and I thank you for it.

Sadly others on this forum do you no favours at all.

I too spend a large amount of my time helping others in game, and out of it, I rolled a healer alt just so I could help others.

That disabled friend I mentioned, I pulled the bike out of the garage for a 40 mile 2am ride to her house just to get her past a healer mob blocking a coridor to a boss.

Sad fact is that there's too many "I'm alright jocks" who like to feel superiour and are incapable of considering others when they post.

Anastasia · July 2014

nawlinzbilly wrote: »

To easy? Go to Craglorn!

Better get there danged quick! Not gonna stay the same for long!

"Knock, knock, knockin on V+11 and 12's Door"
"Wtf? This is too hard. I don' wanna have to group up,
its not fair!"
"I want what I want, and I wanna solo this stuff in V+11 and 12 NOW!"

Mortosk · July 2014

Denaia wrote: »

I think that the VR content was nerfed way too hard and should be readjusted. Please stop this 33 to 50% nerf and bring it back to a more normal 5 or 10% nerf. This is absolutely insane and totally ruining the game.

What is worst is that no one from zenimax has responded ever since we found out how hard the nerf was. I was always hopeful the game would get well at some point, but this is making me lose faith very very quickly. I am just sick and tired of the fact that we get 1.no information 2.lies (there would just be a readjustment that would still keep the game challenging) 3.no responses to complaints 4.it takes WAY too long to fix. And yes about point 4 I understand it's hard, but there are way too many problems that get fixed way too slowly and most likely the vr content problems we have now will never be fixed either.

Please please do something about it, I am just sick and tired of the fact that the wrong decisions are made constantly.

You know they can't really nerf something by just 10%, silly.

It's not who they are. They are ZOS, dammit!

Nerfing is in their blood.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2014

nawlinzbilly wrote: »

To easy? Go to Craglorn!

Or dungeons or trials... But I would hurry if i were you. We all know how this will go down.

steveb16_ESO46 · July 2014

Please don't. The VR story is dreadful so anything that makes it go away quicker is fine by me.

FunkyBudda · July 2014

Denaia wrote: »

Swampster wrote: »

Why do people who've already completed the VR content care anyway?

I am still VR 6 and I was moderatly struggling through VR content, that's why I am all for a slight nerf of 5 to 15% which I would deem 'more appropiate'. But 33% to 50% is too much, it makes the game extremely boring and it turns veteran rank into another 1-50 of which the difficulty was so low that it wasn't enjoyable.

VR content pre-nerf was already boring and to die more easily with crappy loot and exp pissed off a lot of players. THis is needed.

tordr86b16_ESO · July 2014

does this mean i can now faceroll aoe farm ? excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUOB8MN4Kc

Audigy · July 2014

Lunerdog wrote: »

NerfEverything wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

NerfEverything wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

Make the game harder for yourself if that's how you like to play.

How? You can do VR content naked with no skills slotted now.

How can I make it harder for myself? Play with one hand? Play with my eyes closed?

Ooh, an uber l33tist, bad luck dude

If asking for content that requires me to do something more than click a single button repeatedly over an enemy makes me an "uber l33tist" then yeah I guess so. Until then, I'll just let this bird level me to VR 12.

Relax Snowflake, I'm winding you up

For weeks now you so called advanced players have been pouncing on, insulting, belittling and trolling anybody who had the audacity to state that they found it too difficult.

Not once did any of you pause to think that there may have been a good reason for this or that the person may have had a disability etc.

(Yes, I have a disabled house bound friend who has great difficulty with this game and she daren't post for advice on here because of guys like you).

Boots on the other foot now and it's you guys who are unhappy.

Tough !!!

Very few People that found VR´s fine did use insults, its quite the opposite actually. Many tried to help, but in return they were insulted by people who for whatever reason didn't see the big picture of such a nerf.

Just look at your post, you insult and provoke that guy while he didn't say anything bad to you. Why is that?

Another aspect is, that you guys lack respect and tolerance towards others. Nobody demanded that the 1-50 content is made harder, they tolerated that this is where you play. So why do you come to this forum and demand that their playground is destroyed?

People lack manners in this gaming world and respect, back in the days nobody cared about the content of others, it was fine to have content for everyone, but today people believe that everything must be tailored to their own desire, its just sad.

Rylana · July 2014

I want an "Original Veteran" title.

Shunravi · July 2014

nawlinzbilly wrote: »

To easy? Go to Craglorn!

I wish that were true man...

Unfortunately, aside from a few atronachs and gargoyles, the difficulty there was easier then the vet 10 zone.

Ah well, I look forward to seeing you all doing cadwells.

Edit: 'much' was a bit strong

Phinix1 · July 2014

Audigy wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

NerfEverything wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

NerfEverything wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

Make the game harder for yourself if that's how you like to play.

How? You can do VR content naked with no skills slotted now.

How can I make it harder for myself? Play with one hand? Play with my eyes closed?

Ooh, an uber l33tist, bad luck dude

If asking for content that requires me to do something more than click a single button repeatedly over an enemy makes me an "uber l33tist" then yeah I guess so. Until then, I'll just let this bird level me to VR 12.

Relax Snowflake, I'm winding you up

For weeks now you so called advanced players have been pouncing on, insulting, belittling and trolling anybody who had the audacity to state that they found it too difficult.

Not once did any of you pause to think that there may have been a good reason for this or that the person may have had a disability etc.

(Yes, I have a disabled house bound friend who has great difficulty with this game and she daren't post for advice on here because of guys like you).

Boots on the other foot now and it's you guys who are unhappy.

Tough !!!

Very few People that found VR´s fine did use insults, its quite the opposite actually. Many tried to help, but in return they were insulted by people who for whatever reason didn't see the big picture of such a nerf.

Just look at your post, you insult and provoke that guy while he didn't say anything bad to you. Why is that?

Another aspect is, that you lack respect and tolerance towards others. Nobody demanded that the 1-50 content is made harder, they tolerated that this is where you play. So why do you come to this forum and demand that their playground is destroyed?

People lack manners in this gaming world and respect, back in the days nobody cared about the content of others, it was fine to have content for everyone, but today people believe that everything must be tailored to their own desire, its just sad.

What is particularly telling is that none of the people that have been outright insulting me with name calling and thread stalking and trolling have been edited throughout this entire fiasco.

Yet I make a comment about the weather and I am being too political, because there are weathermen on the news! XD

Worstluck · July 2014

I tried it out. I like it, although maybe a little too much. Feels more balanced though. I only tried a VR10 zone, not sure how the lower level zones are.

Anastasia · July 2014

reggielee wrote: »

now now, remain calm. If it is over tweaked they can take good data based observations from players and tweak it the other way. All this hysteria is not doing the devs any good. Provide good data and backup. Would be nice to hear from players that quit VR due to the difficulty and see how they feel about the patch. to me that would be the best indicator of if its been over tweaked

**If it is over tweaked they can take good data based observations from players and tweak it the other way.

Ooooh something to look forward to for sure...they will over do it and set the difficulty back up forward by more than todays nerfage: 75% harder

!

Phinix1 · July 2014

NERF EASYMODE!

ExiledKhallisi · July 2014

They made it way to easy lol...... Thanks for allowing me to farm 15-20 vr10 mobs at the same time without dieing up from 5 ZOS...

ESO has gone full WOW

jquestb16_ESO2 · July 2014

This is good news!!! Although I would have preferred that they kept the difficulty the same and nerfed 33% of the XP needed to level. But hey now I can mow through mobs faster so hopefully leveling will be faster as well. At least they're trying new things guys. The Vet levels suffer due to people not finding groups and the grind is waaaaaaaaay too long. WOW is still around cause they cater to carebears. Just like GW2, Tera you name it...games for hard core players have gone the way of the doodoo bird.

Phinix1 · July 2014

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

They made it way to easy lol...... Thanks for allowing me to farm 15-20 vr10 mobs at the same time without dieing up from 5 ZOS...

ESO has gone full WOW

NEVER go full WoW.

Doh...

Anastasia · July 2014

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

They made it way to easy lol...... Thanks for allowing me to farm 15-20 vr10 mobs at the same time without dieing up from 5 ZOS...

ESO has gone full WOW

Well now with the nerfage, the ones who wanted some e x p grouped farming mobs will also be happy? Uh oh, wasn't that mainly the slave farmers?

Zebug · July 2014

MeowGinger wrote: »

Same mod data, etc. as for my last post. For those wondering... yes, I did just stand there and let her ravage my sweet, sweet body. For the second time, anyway. The first, I didn't even realize she was a boss since I didn't see a shiny health bar courtesy of my addon. Oops.

Again: my spell resist, armor rating, and VR level all changed (I was wearing VR1 gear at VR5 or VR6, vs. now wearing gear at my level and softcapped), and I didn't think to record the decay level of my armor in the first image so I don't have that information (this would have affected spell resist due to the heavy armor passive).

Before:

After:

[(1279 - 894) / 1279] * 100% = 30.1016419774...%

I can't check with the worm cultists in Vernim wood since they're cleared out of the area now that I finished the questline. So the only thing I have left for comparison are the boneshapers, which I'm still trying to find -- don't remember where they are. If I find anything else at VR level that isn't Fildgor Orcthane, I'll compare that too.

First off...you the man, thanks for taking time and trying to get actual data out to the masses. That said, I wonder how much of that damage reduction is simply due to gear/level etc.

Kos · July 2014

Laura wrote: »

its ridiculous you can literally do it naked now and while you are naked its still easier than it was. I'll post a video later.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Wow I was ashamed I sometimes play naked when it's really hot outside, I would never say it on the forum not to mention posting a video. It's good to know I'm not alone.

bluesodafizz · July 2014

I gotta say, I think the "nerf" is a good thing in this case. It brought me back to try and play (after I read about the change in the patch notes)and I actually like it way better. Things don't always have to be hard to be fun, especially for people like me who want to focus more on the story line and lore than my characters abilities and skills.

I get that it's not everyone's cup of tea, but hey...if the game is too hard for casual people to enjoy it then the subscriptions will end and we wont ever get new content.

Madval · July 2014

It's Fabulous ! Friends have resubbed. Thanks Zenimax !

Phinix1 · July 2014

Kos wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

its ridiculous you can literally do it naked now and while you are naked its still easier than it was. I'll post a video later.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Wow I was ashamed I sometimes play naked when it's really hot outside, I would never say it on the forum not to mention posting a video. It's good to know I'm not alone.

+10 if you are a female bosmer.

Muletide · July 2014

Multiple VR mobs were never a problem for me... it's that darn weapon swap boss that usually kills me.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2014

Madval wrote: »

It's Fabulous ! Friends have resubbed. Thanks Zenimax !

It is post like this i don't understand. I mean i get the idea, it is nice to have friends playing. But as even those that wanted the content nerfed would tell you, in a group of 2 VR was already easy. So for them to quit over the difficulty implies you were never playing together anyway, so... Woo people i dont play with have returned to spam my chat! Hip hip horray!

Guppet · July 2014

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Madval wrote: »

It's Fabulous ! Friends have resubbed. Thanks Zenimax !

It is post like this i don't understand. I mean i get the idea, it is nice to have friends playing. But as even those that wanted the content nerfed would tell you, in a group of 2 VR was already easy. So for them to quit over the difficulty implies you were never playing together anyway, so... Woo people i dont play with have returned to spam my chat! Hip hip horray!

This may come as a shock to you but many people play MMO's pretty much as a single player game, but with a chat room function. They chat to their mates and guildies while killing stuff all alone, crazy right?

ShedsHisTail · July 2014

Yeah, I can totally solo content naked...
But then, it was hard to get me to put on pants -before- the patch.

Get's hot in my house.

Heraclea · July 2014

Sounds to me like this wasmpretty much what the doctor ordered. Looking forward to playing my VR character again, though I do intend to keep working the sorcerer.