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Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »Then ESO is doomed to fail.
I think you just need to sleep this one off. No more sueth saying for this one.
You might feel better in the morning, once the shock wears off.I still have faith in them at this point to make the right call.
Thing is, they already did.
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✭✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »Thing is, they already did.
YOUR opinion, and the opinion of many others with a stubborn unwillingness to adapt and play the game as intended. It doesn't make it automatically correct because YOU said it.
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Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭Well you will have an easier time throwing a bomb on a room and getting calm reactions than ever getting a consensus on this at this point but I do agree with the OP on one particular point...
Why does EVERY MMO now have a need to cater to the solo casuals? I'm fine if games like that exist, and I'm fine if this game is one of them, but it would be nice to have at least ONE current gen MMO to play that's actually, you know, an actual MMO.
Somehow we've gone from games being impossible to solo in, to soloing being an option, to soloing being the only real option on a practical level. And it's just destroying the genre. It's nice to be able to solo, but that shouldn't be the thrust of EVERY MMO. It's entirely possible to have options but still keep things balanced from a risk/effort vs reward standpoint.
At this point, I would be happy with there just being one premiere MMO available that embraces what made the genre great to begin with. Even if it's not a theme that I personally like. I've never been one for space games but I'm seriously thinking about checking out EVE because it will be new to me, at least.
For fantasy games, you are pretty much sol right now. EMUs of older games are about it, that I know of.
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Exactly!AlienDiplomat wrote: »This is OUR game!
And since "our" includes people like me who enjoy the solo part of the game, i for one am glad that ZOS has created a game that lets me play my way.
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✭Blackwidow wrote: »You might feel better in the morning, once the shock wears off.
It's been two nights since the announcement. I can't speak for the OP, but I can say it's still just as disappointing after a good nights rest.Edited by badmojo on July 5, 2014 9:36PM[DC/NA]4 -
Kulthax✭✭✭Well you will have an easier time throwing a bomb on a room and getting calm reactions than ever getting a consensus on this at this point but I do agree with the OP on one particular point...
Why does EVERY MMO now have a need to cater to the solo casuals? I'm fine if games like that exist, and I'm fine if this game is one of them, but it would be nice to have at least ONE current gen MMO to play that's actually, you know, an actual MMO.
Somehow we've gone from games being impossible to solo in, to soloing being an option, to soloing being the only real option on a practical level. And it's just destroying the genre. It's nice to be able to solo, but that shouldn't be the thrust of EVERY MMO. It's entirely possible to have options but still keep things balanced from a risk/effort vs reward standpoint.
At this point, I would be happy with there just being one premiere MMO available that embraces what made the genre great to begin with. Even if it's not a theme that I personally like. I've never been one for space games but I'm seriously thinking about checking out EVE because it will be new to me, at least.
For fantasy games, you are pretty much sol right now. EMUs of older games are about it, that I know of.
Thanks again, WoW.
I believe if you read the entire thread your questions are answered.
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✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »Censorship is the hallmark of a doomed society.
I have every right to be concerned.
I disagree, overcensorship is a sign of a doomed society, lack of censureship is a sign of a doomed society too.
What society needs is the correct balance with censureship, we don't want kids getting their hands on adult material, or people openly publishing books on how to blow up their government (except when obviously fiction and unviably at that).
Extremism in either direction is unhealthy for society, overcensureship and people are stifled, too little censureship and society becomes degenerate and immoral. The middle ground is the healthy option.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »Thing is, they already did.
YOUR opinion, and the opinion of many others with a stubborn unwillingness to adapt and play the game as intended. It doesn't make it automatically correct because YOU said it.
Welcome to the whole first post.
It is YOUR opinion and of others that do not like the direction zen is taking the game , nothing more than that."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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That's quite litterally the complete opposite of what you argued in the don't nerf VR thread. You claimed some content was group content due to that fact that grouping was encouraged.
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Exactly!AlienDiplomat wrote: »This is OUR game!
And since "our" includes people like me who enjoy the solo part of the game, i for one am glad that ZOS has created a game that lets me play my way.
;-)
People keep chiming in here with this but you completely miss the point.
Veteran content is EASY to solo already. The problem is when you take the "play how you want" to the EXTREME and assume you should be able to stand in fire and use the same 5 abilities and single RP play style for EVERYTHING, completely flying in the face of a game that was designed to encourage you to ADAPT.
ZOS created a beautiful balance of content that can be easily solo'd if you adapt, but is still fun and rewarding to group for, and people want to throw that out the window and create just another WoW clone because they feel entitled to play bad if they want.Edited by Phinix1 on July 5, 2014 9:43PM4 -
Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭But, making the game solo friendly, discourages grouping.
Completely untrue. The game does encourage grouping.
Bonuses to xp and loot does encourage group play.
Did I mention playing with friends is fun? Try it sometime.I don't enjoy having people all around me in 1-50
Then MMOs are not for you, it seems.because they just steal kills before I get a chance to hit them to get credit.
How can they steal kills if they were fighting the monster first?They add chaos to the fights when I am more than capable of doing them myself.
Yeah, MMOs are not for you if other people in your game bother you.All in all, grouping is not desirable in a game where you don't benefit from doing it.
There are bonuses for grouping. If you don't know that, what game have you been playing?So, basically what we are left with is the only people who group, do so because they already have a connection to each other.
You must not be a social person in game.Edited by Blackwidow on July 5, 2014 9:42PM5 -
Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭My questions were rhetorical. I know why things are the way they are and just don't like it. And I haven't for a decade.
The short version: It would be nice if those of us who prefer a multiplayer experience to have choices to be able to play games designed for us. Like we used to have.2 -
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That's quite litterally the complete opposite of what you argued in the don't nerf VR thread. You claimed some content was group content due to that fact that grouping was encouraged.
Are you allowed out from under your bridge this often?
I'm sorry, but what?
It's group content, that can be solo'ed by working hard. That's all I've ever said.Edited by badmojo on July 5, 2014 9:42PM[DC/NA]1 -
Lodestar✭✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »
I agree on principle, but only in the right context and circumstance. He actually had a great point well made, and was not a snarky response. Abrupt maybe.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WHY CAN'T ZOS JUST LET YOU FLAG YOURSELF FOR SOLO?
That way you can play in a phase where everything is faceroll easy. You can have your digital sedative, and ZOS doesn't have to ruin the fun for everyone else.
WHY ZOS?Edited by Phinix1 on July 5, 2014 9:45PM5 -
Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »Censorship is the hallmark of a doomed society.
I have every right to be concerned.
I agree.
Post all you like.
Fight the good fight, my Brotha!
Just know I disagree with you 100% on topic.
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Kulthax✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »WHY CAN'T ZOS JUST LET YOU FLAG YOURSELF FOR SOLO?
That way you can play in a phase where everything is faceroll easy. You can have your digital sedative, and ZOS doesn't have to ruin the fun for everyone else.
WHY ZOS?
Well I am not a programmer but I believe that this would require an entirely different build. A completely new game. Honestly, the answer to your question seems very obvious. I think you are just ranting to rile individuals. 2 -
cracker81✭✭✭Well I want some blue berry pie... Oh wait. Yea, our game? I thought it was my game. Do we have to share? How's this work? Is it like a sand box that has cat poop in it?0 -
Surinen✭✭✭
semantics. if you treasure your time etc. then it is exactly this: forced grouping.
Encouraged grouping is not forced grouping.
The idea is very basic, you can solo, but it's work. If you group up, it's still fun, but it's no longer a lot of work.
not to mention cases like new armour models droping only in these group zones, shards and lore.
in my ideal online gaming: grouping would be nothing more than tool for socialising.
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✭✭✭Perhaps the reason why there aren't any extremely difficult hard core forced group MMOs out there is because it simply isn't a viable long term sustainable source of income.
I have fond memories of playing old computer games like Megamania but that doesn't mean I want to return to the days of no pause button for the game so you can go to the restroom or saves so you can go back to where you left off instead of having to start over again every time. And I certainly don't call everyone low IQ drooling noob carebears for not having played back in the day when video games were much more difficult than they are today.
Constructive criticism and respectful feedback will always go farther with developers than raging on the forums and threatening to quit.Edited by Tabbycat on July 5, 2014 10:11PMFounder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »WHY CAN'T ZOS JUST LET YOU FLAG YOURSELF FOR SOLO?
This would be a quick and easy way using CURRENT MEGASERVER TECHNOLOGY to give BOTH parties what they want!2 -
Swordguy✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »People who want to come home from work and sleep through an online game like it is supposed to be their digital sedative HAVE their games! Rift, WoW, FFXIV, etc., etc., etc...
Why does EVERY MMO have to cater to people that want to solo everything and never have to think about strategy or game mechanics, playing "how they want" to unwind from their "hard day at work" as if we all didn't have to do it, even if that is basically having an IV drip of instant gratification attached to their refusal to engage or adapt to anything?
Why can't there actually be an MMO designed for GROUP PLAY? Or at least that challenges those MINIMALLY (veteran content is EASY if you play the game as designed) who wish to solo everything?
Make it doable, but don't make it pointless!
No risk, no reward!
Veteran content in this game was the PERFECT mix. You could EASILY solo EVERYTHING outside of instanced and public dungeons and some world bosses if you actually showed the willingness to adapt your spec to do it. There were plenty of skill points by veteran levels to have all the backup abilities you would need to keep your current play style AND have several backups to fall back on.
Plus it provided at least > 5sec combat if you DID decide to play in a group. It gave you a sense of there being a REASON to play in a group. Like it mattered if you were there to help heal or tank for someone. Sure they could do it by themselves, but they could do it much easier and much faster with less risk and potentially more fun (synergy, spell effects) because YOU were there.
Now what will we have? A bunch of every-man-for-himself faceroll soloists and meaningless characters that aren't needed for 90% of the game.
What were you THINKING ZOS?
Nerf SOLO INSTANCED QUESTS if you must, but don't destroy the perfect balance you created because paid disinformation agents from other games come onto your forums and extend the Facebook experiment on contagious negativity!
Erect the spin of growing a spine!
You do realize that ZOS is catering to the majority (why would any subcription based company do otherwise?), and that as mad as you might be about ESO getting a slight difficulty decrease, there are a daunting amount of people who get pissed off when an elder scrolls game is difficult, anything but linear progression, and not designed to play the way someone wants.
So yes, ESO is Our game, and "Our" just so happens to be the majority of players for any given topic at hand.IN SOVIET RUSSIA, GUN LOADS YOU!
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Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »Thing is, they already did.
YOUR opinion, and the opinion of many others with a stubborn unwillingness to adapt and play the game as intended. It doesn't make it automatically correct because YOU said it.
First, it is a given that what I post is my opinion.
Second, you are the one who's stubborn unwillingness to adapt and play the game as intended, is fighting so hard to make ZOS change their mind.
As intended is what ZOS decides. We agree on that?Edited by Blackwidow on July 5, 2014 9:51PM3 -
Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So yes, ESO is Our game, and "Our" just so happens to be the majority of players for any given topic at hand.
So why can't they just give us the option to flag for solo and put people that do in a phase that lets them play the nerfed content using existing megaserver technology?
That way EVERYONE gets what they want and NO ONE has to suffer.
THERE ARE NO DOWN SIDES.Edited by Phinix1 on July 5, 2014 9:52PM2 -
Swordguy✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »So yes, ESO is Our game, and "Our" just so happens to be the majority of players for any given topic at hand.
So why can't they just give us the option to flag for solo and put people that do in a phase that lets them play the nerfed content using existing megaserver technology?
That way EVERYONE gets what they want and NO ONE has to suffer.
THERE ARE NO DOWN SIDES.
who's suffering? maybe its a slight irritation or 1st world problem, but don't claim to be suffering, lol.IN SOVIET RUSSIA, GUN LOADS YOU!
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Anastasia✭✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »Let me explain what is going to happen because of this:- Addon authors leave. "Catering to fire standers and destroying the unique challenge and meaningful and rewarding group content? Sorry, support your own game."
- Guild leaders leave. "I should tow the line for a bunch of bads without any rewarding gameplay incentives for even marginally skilled players beyond time-rush fap trials? Sorry, that gets old quick."
- Skilled players leave. "If I wanted a lobotomy I would beat myself over the head with a bottle of Jack Daniels. Sorry, YOU entertain the bads."
Awesome post AlienD, but this:
>>>>[*] Addon authors leave. "Catering to fire standers and destroying the unique challenge and meaningful and rewarding group content? Sorry, support your own game."<<<<< is so absolutely certain and there will be disappointment and ang-sty whines heard amongst those who absolutely love the mods that have been developed for this community...for many a day hence, very likely beginning fairly soon.
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Kulthax✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »AlienDiplomat wrote: »WHY CAN'T ZOS JUST LET YOU FLAG YOURSELF FOR SOLO?
This would be a quick and easy way using CURRENT MEGASERVER TECHNOLOGY to give BOTH parties what they want!
You are definitely trolling now. Programming is not easy and capslocking and bold typing your statement does not make it any more valid.
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✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »You might feel better in the morning, once the shock wears off.
It's been two nights since the announcement. I can't speak for the OP, but I can say it's still just as disappointing after a good nights rest.
To be fair, everything seems to upset you.5 -
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✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »Let me explain what is going to happen because of this:- Addon authors leave. "Catering to fire standers and destroying the unique challenge and meaningful and rewarding group content? Sorry, support your own game."
- Guild leaders leave. "I should tow the line for a bunch of bads without any rewarding gameplay incentives for even marginally skilled players beyond time-rush fap trials? Sorry, that gets old quick."
- Skilled players leave. "If I wanted a lobotomy I would beat myself over the head with a bottle of Jack Daniels. Sorry, YOU entertain the bads."
Awesome post AlienD, but this:
>>>>[*] Addon authors leave. "Catering to fire standers and destroying the unique challenge and meaningful and rewarding group content? Sorry, support your own game."<<<<< is so absolutely certain and there will be disappointment and ang-sty whines heard amongst those who absolutely love the mods that have been developed for this community...for many a day hence, very likely beginning fairly soon.
From what I understand, most of the modding community was upset over changes with the API, not difficulty in the game or how many fire standers there are.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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