This *bleeping* game is unplayable

  • olsborg
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    FPS issue is hitting alot of people, just stay in cyrodiil and look at general chat. If youre never in cyrodiil, please dont even bother reading or commenting on this thread.

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  • tigerblood
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    Just another dudes opinion:

    It's a common critique of this game and known around the Internet that ESO is buggy. Yes, more than it should be even for a new game. I have heard a lot of people complain about the recent patch. You can ask how many players were affected but some players are not around to be asked, they left for something else. My first time in Cyrodiil a few minutes ago, I got DC'd along with my entire raid. Actually it was in my first battle. Bad sign? I hope not.

    My consensus is it's a good game in a delicate situation. SWTOR flopped around this far into it's launch. A fair % of the population need to be assured this game wil have staying power before investing more time into developing our crafting, etc.

    My worry is that someone high up is cutting back on the number of developers and making the remaining ones try to do too much. Make polished game, cut drastically, leave skeleton crew behind. Move to next game.
    Edited by tigerblood on June 28, 2014 9:01AM
  • Tandor
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    olsborg wrote: »
    FPS issue is hitting alot of people, just stay in cyrodiil and look at general chat. If youre never in cyrodiil, please dont even bother reading or commenting on this thread.

    Not even to point people to the developers' announcement that it is being fixed on Monday?

    Seems a tad harsh and unappreciative of anyone trying to help those with problems. Besides, the original post never even mentioned Cyrodil, it was just a standard "the game's broken, fix it or refund" [snip]. As the thread developed it became clear that there was a real issue with Cyrodil, and that the developers were both aware of it and had a fix for it.

    [Moderator edit: edited due to personal attacks.
    Edited by ZOS_MichelleA on June 28, 2014 11:45AM
  • Auralia
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    Lord_Wrath wrote: »
    Obviously your PC is having an issue with the game. What do you want zenimax to do about it when other people can play just fine? Its not their fault.
    My PC, which is absolutely fine, suddenly develops a problem with precisely one piece of software, at the same time as lots of other people develop the same problem, and it's MY fault?

    Good grief.

    It's not just you, and no him and a multitude of others PC isn't the problem, I keep getting lag and can't login anymore.
  • themizario
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    Logged out multiple times today, client crashes every 15 minutes, the lag is unusable.

    This has been going on for days.

    FGS Zenimax fix this damn thing or just switch it off and give us our money back.

    I'm with you on this. ZOS give us some days of credit!! It has been unplayable! !! Everyone up vote the ish out of this so we get our playtime credited to us. Serious wasn't this bad in beta.

    Game has gone from OK to ish (rhymes with hit but starts with s)
  • themizario
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    Lord_Wrath wrote: »
    Obviously your PC is having an issue with the game. What do you want zenimax to do about it when other people can play just fine? Its not their fault.
    My PC, which is absolutely fine, suddenly develops a problem with precisely one piece of software, at the same time as lots of other people develop the same problem, and it's MY fault?

    Good grief.

    Thanks for clarifying to this fool what it takes to release a proper PC game . People will have different hardware developers have to create a game to work across all types of hardware configurations and in this case they FAILED!

    It's NOT our computers it's the GAME!
  • Morticielle
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    FYI: If you encounter low fps in Cyrodiil, restart the game. If you have again low fps do it again. It worked for me and it worked for other players. Yesterday in several hours only one restart was necessary, the day before yesterday I had to restart the game twice in a row and then could play the rest of the day with normal fps.
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    Subscription cancelled due to the following facts:

    - Zenimax implements more bugs from patch to patch
    - Zenimax does not care about the increasing instability of the game. People have more and more crashes Fix of memory bug decreased number of crashes considerably
    - Zenimax has still not fully fixed the fps drops they (!) implemented with patch1.2.3
    - Zenimax does nothing to fix the massive ability lags in PvP
    - Zenimax gives more attention to unnecassary 'content' like dyes for armors than fixing issues
    - In patchnotes Zenimax lies about bugs allegedly fixed
    - Zenimax has no plan as to how balance population in Cyrodiil campaigns
    - Support is ineffective and does not even speak in a way one can linguistically understand

  • tino.antoninieb17_ESO
    I am having fps issues as well . Not just cyrodiil but craglorn as well . All that fps problems started to occur upon recent patch. Before patch i never ever had single problem with fps or significant lag. If i port outside cyro or craglorn to any other map than my fps goes up to 50 . In Cyro or Craglorn i can run above 30 fps for 30 - 40 minutes then fps starts to do down progressively. When i hit 6-7 fps i restart comp and then again i have 30-40 fps. Obviously its not about computer coz that same computer in same battle can pull 30 fps and because of unknown reason after some time goes down to non playable level. And besides i do play pvp in group of 7-8 people all the time and just two guys doesn't have fps problems.
  • incandescent
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    Tandor wrote: »
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    And if you don't want to read the official threads on known issues to learn whether your problem is being fixed then perhaps you too are also on the wrong website!
    I don't buy games for the privilege of spending my free time browsing lists of in-progress issues.

    Fine, but don't complain that you're being ignored by Zenimax over your problem if you can't spare the time to check the second post down on the Developer Tracker page which will tell you that your problem is both acknowledged and being fixed on Monday. It would have taken you a lot less time than you've spent complaining about it here.

    Good luck on Monday anyway, I hope the fix is successful for you.

    Odd then that i finally received another reply from Zenimax support, and it just asked me to run the game consultant yet again - another standard response. No acknowledgement of any existing issue or a fix time.

    As others have noted, it is very suspicious that people who claim the game has no problems spend their time in the customer support forum essentially calling anyone who reports a problem, a liar.

    What exactly are your motivations tandor?
  • Lord_Onyx
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    Glad I quit this hot mess months ago.
    Dont get me wrong I had high hopes and really....really wanted this game to be amazing awesome. But all these constant issues I keep reading really deters me from even spending my cash on this crap/resubbing. I didnt buy a collectors edition for $80 to see this game fail sorry.
    Sorry for derailing but seriously its people like Tandor and such, is what had me move on to other games and havent regretted. Nothing but trolls, hackers, botters. This game is NOT1999 its freaking 2014 but feels like it was made in 1995 : / so yeah and no offence, Wildstar knows how to make a MMO and Zenimax should learn from that...PERIOD! Ill let you figure that out, because I KNOW TESO is nothing like Wildstar but im saying in general. They know how to deal with real issues.
    So yeah, what does all that tell you. Would be interesting to see Zenimax pull some legit numbers of current subscriptions right now to see the real affect from all this bad CS and development.

    Good Luck I guess prolly gonna be my last forum post here. Officially done with this game and NEVER gonna resubb.
    Cheers
  • Fuzzylumpkins
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    kewl wrote: »

    OMG, this is going to be my signature! +1 bacon for you.

    May the quote live on. You can see what they did to my post.

  • eliisra
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    Yeah it's unplayable at the moment. My client is closing every 10 minute getting "Unknown Error". That or it just freezes, forcing me to alt f4.

    Can't keep playing like this and I'm not even in Cyrodiil.

    Why the hell do they waste resources on making the game look prettier. What type of priorities is that? Fix technical stuff first, make it playable. We don't care about FoV sliders and lighting effects, If we cant even stay online for more than a few minutes.

  • silent_banshee
    I have to say it's a bit of a relief to read that so many people are also having this issue (for me it's the client crashing or getting dropped with the old Unknown Error every couple of minutes). I can get some slightly better stability in terms of staying logged in when I plug directly into our place's router, but even then there are huge problems of enemies not loading in. I routinely get killed by invisible mobs (thank the Gods for Whirlwind).

    It's worth noting that like many other people here, these problems didn't happen nearly as often before 1.2.3. I'll hope against hope that Zenimax tries to deal with these issues but I really can't justify resubbing if they don't rectify the situation. It's a shame really, there is so much about this game that I love, so much that it does perfectly.

  • Observant
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    I like how the mods can edit our posts for ToS violations, but fail to acknowledge the issue and inform their 'beloved' customers.

    GJ ZOS
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  • Fuzzylumpkins
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    Observant wrote: »
    I like how the mods can edit our posts for ToS violations, but fail to acknowledge the issue and inform their 'beloved' customers.

    GJ ZOS

    The forums mods are only forums police and crowd control. They have no ability to get anyone of stature to stop giving the community the silent treatment.

  • Observant
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    Observant wrote: »
    I like how the mods can edit our posts for ToS violations, but fail to acknowledge the issue and inform their 'beloved' customers.

    GJ ZOS

    The forums mods are only forums police and crowd control. They have no ability to get anyone of stature to stop giving the community the silent treatment.

    No, Forum Mods are just the lowest in the business hierarchy. It's chain of command. They're supposed to raise such big issues to those above them.
    Vehemence
  • Tavore1138
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    Lol, just spent 30 mins dying to stuff i did not know was even there, then checked the clock and realised it was gone 5pm - no point in trying anything that relies on skill until tomorrow morning now.
  • incandescent
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    Okay, tried to play again this evening. No crashing out with "Unknown error", which is progress I suppose (although I haven't changed anything on my PC ;) ).

    However, Cyrodiil is still unplayable. I'm getting less than 5 FPS and my controls are basically unresponsive, which means a short slide show quickly followed by death at the hands of an unseen enemy.

    Waste of my time.
  • NoirJ
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    Observant wrote: »
    Observant wrote: »
    I like how the mods can edit our posts for ToS violations, but fail to acknowledge the issue and inform their 'beloved' customers.

    GJ ZOS

    The forums mods are only forums police and crowd control. They have no ability to get anyone of stature to stop giving the community the silent treatment.

    No, Forum Mods are just the lowest in the business hierarchy. It's chain of command. They're supposed to raise such big issues to those above them.
    You can raise all the issues you want but if no ones listening or cares its all a moot point.
    I would however expect more interaction with the Community Managers/Mods
    rather that the usual drive by comment from them regarding so and so and then you don't see them for dust.


  • SBR_QuorTek
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    Lord_Wrath wrote: »
    Its not their fault your computer has problems.
    My computer is just fine. I have never played such an unstable game before in my life however. It's not as if I'm the only person experiencing these problems this week.

    It is probably on your end, outdated hardware or whatever, MMOs has a thing that say requirements may change over time.. due to better looking stuff that woudl perform better on more new or up to date systems.

    Unless you can provide any data about your current systems then it is going to be hard for anyone to be able to see what the problem is.

    Game for me has been running fine since beta, except for some bugs within the game for an instance, and doubt would have to upgrade it any within the next year or two at all even with other games out there.
  • incandescent
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    It is probably on your end, outdated hardware or whatever, MMOs has a thing that say requirements may change over time.. due to better looking stuff that woudl perform better on more new or up to date systems.

    Unless you can provide any data about your current systems then it is going to be hard for anyone to be able to see what the problem is.

    Game for me has been running fine since beta, except for some bugs within the game for an instance, and doubt would have to upgrade it any within the next year or two at all even with other games out there.
    My machine is less than a year old. 3.4GHz quad-core i7, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 2TB 7200rpm disk, high-end NVidia card. My machine is more than up to scratch for this game.

    And these problems didn't exist until last week.
  • SBR_QuorTek
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    It is probably on your end, outdated hardware or whatever, MMOs has a thing that say requirements may change over time.. due to better looking stuff that woudl perform better on more new or up to date systems.

    Unless you can provide any data about your current systems then it is going to be hard for anyone to be able to see what the problem is.

    Game for me has been running fine since beta, except for some bugs within the game for an instance, and doubt would have to upgrade it any within the next year or two at all even with other games out there.
    My machine is less than a year old. 3.4GHz quad-core i7, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 2TB 7200rpm disk, high-end NVidia card. My machine is more than up to scratch for this game.

    And these problems didn't exist until last week.

    What windows?... and

    Here.
    Windows 7 64bit, 3.2Ghz Hexa-Core i7, 16GB Ram, 128gb SSD (O/S) only 750gb SSD for Games, GFX - Nvidia Geforce 690GTX 4GB, Mobo: x79 Asus Sabertooth.

    I yet have to have any serious crashes... on a very very rare occation TESO crash on me.. but it is mainly because multitasking outside of the game as well and maybe punishing the system a little to hard.

    Edit:
    2-3 years old as of current...
    Edited by SBR_QuorTek on June 28, 2014 7:18PM
  • NoirJ
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    It is probably on your end, outdated hardware or whatever, MMOs has a thing that say requirements may change over time.. due to better looking stuff that woudl perform better on more new or up to date systems.

    Unless you can provide any data about your current systems then it is going to be hard for anyone to be able to see what the problem is.

    Game for me has been running fine since beta, except for some bugs within the game for an instance, and doubt would have to upgrade it any within the next year or two at all even with other games out there.
    My machine is less than a year old. 3.4GHz quad-core i7, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 2TB 7200rpm disk, high-end NVidia card. My machine is more than up to scratch for this game.

    And these problems didn't exist until last week.

    What windows?... and

    Here.
    Windows 7 64bit, 3.2Ghz Hexa-Core i7, 16GB Ram, 128gb SSD (O/S) only 750gb SSD for Games, GFX - Nvidia Geforce 690GTX 4GB, Mobo: x79 Asus Sabertooth.

    I yet have to have any serious crashes... on a very very rare occation TESO crash on me.. but it is mainly because multitasking outside of the game as well and maybe punishing the system a little to hard.

    Edit:
    2-3 years old as of current...
    Do you have any idea how client server relationships work?
  • incandescent
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    What windows?... and

    Here.
    Windows 7 64bit, 3.2Ghz Hexa-Core i7, 16GB Ram, 128gb SSD (O/S) only 750gb SSD for Games, GFX - Nvidia Geforce 690GTX 4GB, Mobo: x79 Asus Sabertooth.

    I yet have to have any serious crashes... on a very very rare occation TESO crash on me.. but it is mainly because multitasking outside of the game as well and maybe punishing the system a little to hard.

    Edit:
    2-3 years old as of current...
    Windows 8.1 64 bit.

    My machine is relatively new, has a high spec and works perfectly with every other bit of software on it. Lots of people have reported the same issues I am seeing. I didn't have this problem until around a week ago. My machine has not changed in that time. I haven't installed any new software.

    So I'm very pleased for you that you aren't having them, but that doesn't mean I'm imagining the problem or that me or my machine are at fault.

    Look, I don't mean to be rude, but I honestly do not understand people who come to a support forum and basically tell people - lots and lots and lots of people - who are reporting issues that we are somehow at fault.

    I've worked in software development for 20 years. I have two computer science degrees. I've got decades of gaming and PC experience. And I'm very fed up with people telling me I must be at fault when they have no idea.
    Edited by incandescent on June 28, 2014 7:27PM
  • NoirJ
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    What windows?... and

    Here.
    Windows 7 64bit, 3.2Ghz Hexa-Core i7, 16GB Ram, 128gb SSD (O/S) only 750gb SSD for Games, GFX - Nvidia Geforce 690GTX 4GB, Mobo: x79 Asus Sabertooth.

    I yet have to have any serious crashes... on a very very rare occation TESO crash on me.. but it is mainly because multitasking outside of the game as well and maybe punishing the system a little to hard.

    Edit:
    2-3 years old as of current...
    Windows 8.1 64 bit.


    Look, I don't mean to be rude, but I honestly do not understand the mentality of people who come to a support forum and basically tell people - lots and lots and lots of people - who are reporting issues that we are somehow at fault.

    I've worked in software development for 20 years. I have two computer science degrees. I've got decades of gaming and PC experience. And I'm very fed up with people telling me I must be at fault when they have no damn idea.

    Bravo Sir, Bravo.
  • SBR_QuorTek
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    NoirJ wrote: »
    It is probably on your end, outdated hardware or whatever, MMOs has a thing that say requirements may change over time.. due to better looking stuff that woudl perform better on more new or up to date systems.

    Unless you can provide any data about your current systems then it is going to be hard for anyone to be able to see what the problem is.

    Game for me has been running fine since beta, except for some bugs within the game for an instance, and doubt would have to upgrade it any within the next year or two at all even with other games out there.
    My machine is less than a year old. 3.4GHz quad-core i7, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 2TB 7200rpm disk, high-end NVidia card. My machine is more than up to scratch for this game.

    And these problems didn't exist until last week.

    What windows?... and

    Here.
    Windows 7 64bit, 3.2Ghz Hexa-Core i7, 16GB Ram, 128gb SSD (O/S) only 750gb SSD for Games, GFX - Nvidia Geforce 690GTX 4GB, Mobo: x79 Asus Sabertooth.

    I yet have to have any serious crashes... on a very very rare occation TESO crash on me.. but it is mainly because multitasking outside of the game as well and maybe punishing the system a little to hard.

    Edit:
    2-3 years old as of current...
    Do you have any idea how client server relationships work?

    Sort of in theory, not sure how it is set in TESO and it can cause lag alike problems in general as well... eg. client is borked... but server is fine.. and it keeps an odd relationship untill a fix.. also the client can be excelent and workign really well, but the server having an issue talking with the client.. on the server itself.

    But for crashes... in general should not have anything to do with it.. could be a broken GFX update... a harddrive that is running at its last tier causing corruption.. system overheating and force shutting down...
  • Tashira
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    Wow never seen such trolls down on their knees for zenmax..... I know from being told by tech support the game has lots of issues and that they are being worked on by developers and to be patient and to please wait for fixes....

    Never seen so many trolls jump to judgment about how many people are not having issues. How many tickets have been logged that are not a post on the forums? None of these trolls know but yet they can state that the few that do take their issues to the forums that it has to be them and their system.....

    That is the biggest straw man argument I ever heard of. the game clearly has issues and bugs - this being said it is getting to the point for some people that do specific actions in games, quests, or characters and abilities that it has become, in fact, unplayable.

    There is no way to dispute a person problems using offhanded false logic and comments about their system and likewise you cannot say everyone is having an unplayable experience either.
    Edited by Tashira on June 28, 2014 7:39PM
  • Tandor
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    Tandor wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    And if you don't want to read the official threads on known issues to learn whether your problem is being fixed then perhaps you too are also on the wrong website!
    I don't buy games for the privilege of spending my free time browsing lists of in-progress issues.

    What exactly are your motivations tandor?

    Quite simply, to help out where I can, in this case by initially offering some general suggestions and then, when the thread developed to the point where it was obviously the Cyrodil fps problem being discussed (which wasn't the case at the outset), pointing those who are having this problem to the status page where the developers have already said that it is acknowledged and will be fixed on Monday.

    It's obvious from the continuing complaints that most people are not following the developer tracker and that even when they believe they have an issue that relates to the last patch they're not checking out the official thread that lists the known issues and the status of any fixes, and so I'm simply trying to alert them to it:-

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/114325/patch-v1-2-3-known-issues/p1

    I don't do it in order to be thanked for pointing people in the right direction, but I don't do it to be abused either, so it's unlikely I'll bother to do it again. As I've said before, I hope your problem is indeed resolved on Monday.
  • incandescent
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    Tandor, people shouldn't have to follow a development tracker to play a damn game. And the game shouldn't break on a regular basis when Zenimax introduce new bugs, as they do every time they patch it.

    And in my case the Cyrodiil was only one of the problems, in addition to the frequent crashing with Unknown Error problem.

    And as I have repeatedly pointed out to you, despite me having raised a support ticket, Zenimax has at no point acknowledged it is an existing issue with a planned fix.

    Surely even you can see from this forum that a lot of people are experiencing these problems?
  • Morticielle
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    Lord_Onyx wrote: »
    G Wildstar knows how to make a MMO and Zenimax should learn from that...PERIOD! Ill let you figure that out, because I KNOW TESO is nothing like Wildstar but im saying in general. They know how to deal with real issues.
    First, Wildstar is the name of the game, not the developer or publisher. And second, yes, Carbine knows how to make the 724. WoW clone. They even got the graphics more colorful and ugly than the original. If you love this, I totally can understand why you had problems to find your way in TESO.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content]
    Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on June 28, 2014 8:22PM
    Lady Morticielle d'Aragòn |VR12| Sorcerer | PvP Rank 21 (Major Grade I) | EU-Megaserver | AD

    Subscription cancelled due to the following facts:

    - Zenimax implements more bugs from patch to patch
    - Zenimax does not care about the increasing instability of the game. People have more and more crashes Fix of memory bug decreased number of crashes considerably
    - Zenimax has still not fully fixed the fps drops they (!) implemented with patch1.2.3
    - Zenimax does nothing to fix the massive ability lags in PvP
    - Zenimax gives more attention to unnecassary 'content' like dyes for armors than fixing issues
    - In patchnotes Zenimax lies about bugs allegedly fixed
    - Zenimax has no plan as to how balance population in Cyrodiil campaigns
    - Support is ineffective and does not even speak in a way one can linguistically understand

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