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Please stop forcing us group for quests.
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Adrastes✭✭✭Craglorn, I am talking about you.
I don't want to faceroll the whole game, but please understand that some of us
1.) prefer playing this as an SPG or
2.) play at unsociable times (5am for me) when you can't easily find a group,or
3.) just simply.do.not.want.to.***.group.up.
Please stop forcing us playing quests in groups. I do not care about dungeons, trials, whatnot. But quests should always be soloable.
I am fairly competent playing my class now but at lvl 11, I absolutely cannot take down 4 normal craglorn mobs that guard that freaking shard or whatever is needed for the very first quest, not even with two summons and an ultimate. This should not be forced group content.
i didnt read if anybody said anything yet but you can't even do these solo if you could kill the mobs. for shard essences yo need 4 players by default to carry 4 essences, thing i learned hard way. also other missions are same. one i sneaked into had tiles on ground that needs groupmembers walk on simultaneously so door opens... that is all *** in my books. GIVE SOLOPLAYERS OPTIONS.
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Well, currently ESO is forced soloing, if you want to level - which is just as asinine.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
So it's forced grouping or forced PVP, I see.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
You can reach the level cap without going to craglorn. It might mean doing the Cyrodil dailies for a while but its doable solo.
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Anastasia✭✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
ZOS are forcing you toby raising the level cap to VR12.Key word in the topic title is "forcing" in which no one is forcing anyone to get to VR12 so the thread was dead on arrival.
Their plan is clearly to release new content that requires you to be at the previous level cap to play it .. just like all MMOs do .. which means VR12 is a MUST if you want to be able to play the next content update which raises the cap to, say VR14.
They show no signs whatsoever of releasing new content that 50(1) can play, 50(1) is therefor NOT the level-cap and currently 50(12) is, thus a 50(1) has to LEVEL UP to 50(12) in order to be viable in current end-game content.
If 50 WERE the level cap I could wear any piece of gear in the game my class can equip, that's a basic feature of being at level cap in any MMO I've played (8 and counting), the fact my 50(3) can't do that and needs to LEVEL UP in order to equip some pieces prove beyond doubt VR1-VR12 content is LEVELING not END-GAME.
Thus, ZOS are FORCING you to group-or-GTFO to get from 50(1) to 50(12).
Q.E.D.
***"...which means VR12 is a MUST if you want to be able to play the next content update which raises the cap to, say VR14."***
WHY would anyone who 'doesn't like' full on group-necessary content have any desire at ALL to level up to say, VR-14? I've gamer friends who love various aspects of mmo's -- getting to endcap isn't their be-all though. IF attaining whatever IS endcap for a particular mmo IS your goal, then aside from creating your own mmo and getting it published, you need to work within the parameters set by that particular games creators. Those parameters in TESO, (*which were clearly promoted from years before launch) are that there WILL be increasing content difficulty/zone LEVELS.
Since you do not enjoy grouping or what you call 'forced grouping', and since we all knew before the game was launched that levels 1 - 50 would be solo friendly, and content thereafter would be group-encouraged, I do not understand why you chose to play this game. With every mmo I've played (starting in 1999), as it gets a little more seasoned, and with upper level staff changes etc, sometimes (rare though) there are some primary feature changes, but generally the original design, the primary overall game plan is followed faithfully.
I see fixes being done, I see adjustments based somewhat on player suggestions, I see communication occurring in TESO. I do NOT expect major changes to already planned, and executed zone content to be changed 360 degrees. Zeni no doubt did a great deal of research and has reasons for the target market they decided to plan their game to include. Should they be flexible enough to add to their consumer base? Sure. Should they make huge changes ie: do a lot of extra work to create on-par solo content that would be even with the group content already created in Vet areas? Naw.
Edited by Anastasia on June 26, 2014 1:18PM2 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭Stop cyberbullying and let others play how they want.
"Go play a single player game" is cyberbullying? lol
Exactly how fragile are you?Artemiisia wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »its so easy
Cyrodil PVP map, if you dont like pvp dont go there
Craglorn GROUP map, if you dont like grouping dont go there
find other ways of leveling, but dont say they are forcing you, you can play how ever you want, there will be released that wont hit everybody's preferred playing style
remember you signed up for a rpgmmo game, not a single player game.
You can't be rewarded for playing how you want. Playing how you want means being allowed to advance your character without forced content types.
Also, in an MMO you have all different types. Not everyone is a socialite who wants every part of their game to be experienced with 100's of other people.
they release things, that wont fit everyone playing style, dont go there if you dont like it, thats your choice.
for me it seems more like envy that others get something and some gonna be left behind in every patch.
so next time it might be pve that gets a nice release, should pvpers then come here and complain about that?
Exactly!
The first game company to stick to their guns and tell the whiners to go play something else gets my undying loyalty. And no, the game won't die if you leave. Your perception of how important you are is greatly exaggerated.
I am so sick of "the game must change for me" crowd. It's simply self-absorbed and immature. It's also the reason we have MMOs like WoW that have simply turned to mush because of these people.
But you now what? I'm not tall enough to be a pro basketball player. I'm going to ask the NBA to change the rules and lower the height of the basket. I want to be a pro basketball player and the game should change to include me. Me! Me! Me! Me! Me!
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not sure I follow...You're not forced to group.
It looks like you're choosing group content to play which yields higher success when played in a group.
I'm in the VR levels and there are tons of quests that level me that are solo based.
Do you expect to be able to do all content solo...if so you have purchased the wrong game type.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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I'll answer your second question first: yes there is a solo-only level cap, it's currently 50(1). ZOS designed it that way because the VR content is designed for 2-man groups, ZOS said so. After VR1-VR10 comes Craglorn, 4-man group content for VR11-VR12 that ZOS force you to group-or-GTFO.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
What does level cap mean if youre not doing group content?
There is no level cap only content intended for solo players is there?
Now to your first question, why does the level matter to those not doing group content. Just a small clarification, I'm not against group content at all, I do some from time to time, but I m dead against group content for leveling purposes.
That said, the level cap matters because, I'm assuming here that ZOS follow the MMO tradition and that at some time in the future they'll release an expansion in the more usual sense: for that read Outlands in Warcraft, Storm Legion in Rift, etc.
Now, that kind of content is based on the level cap of the content that precedes it: Outlands started at 60, where WOW vanilla ended, Storm Legion started at 50 when Rift ended, etc.
Assuming ESO follows this pattern, and there's no reason at all to think ZOS have some great new idea about content releases, what level do you think it'll start at?
It certainly won't be 50(1) otherwise there'll be screams of EZMODE from those that made VR12. It may be VR10, more likely VR12 or even VR14 or whatever the last content update of the 1.x series is.
That's why it matters to those not wanting to have to group up to simply level to the cap. If it turns out how I'm describing here, and I repeat at present there's no reason to think it won't, any such expansion will be out of reach to those of us who couldn't level beyond 50(1).
Now do you understand why I hate group-or-GTFO on the leveling curve, it locks me out of all future content?
Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on June 26, 2014 1:14PM5 -
Elirienne✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Not sure I follow...You're not forced to group.
It looks like you're choosing group content to play which yields higher success when played in a group.
I'm in the VR levels and there are tons of quests that level me that are solo based.
Do you expect to be able to do all content solo...if so you have purchased the wrong game type.
You obviously do not follow. I was not talking about vr levels in general.0 -
Moonscythe✭✭✭✭✭andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »you understand that you play an MMO
... not a single player game ?
Why is that always the reply when someone asks for soloable content? It was trumpeted loudly that this game could be played the way we want to. Some of us prefer to solo and some of us can't play when everyone else is. The OP wasn't asking for more than quests, things we have to do to progress, to be able to complete as a solo player. That is not unreasonable, nor is it anti-social.Scura di Notte - Altmer Nightblade (gear)
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_Eivar_✭No one's posted about removing group content, so PUG lovers getting all up in arms about folks preferring to play solo is silly. Having end-game solo content that continues the lore without forcing group play should be a welcome adjunct to more group options at the highest levels. Forsaking adequate solo content in favor of group options at the highest levels is a design flaw.6 -
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✭Have no issue with solo content, but forced-solo content is BS.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Yeah, I'm Level 31, because my wife and I refuse to solo quests. We're just doing all the side-quests.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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As one of those who hates forced-group leveling ZOS have put into the game I also agree with your view.Have no issue with solo content, but forced-solo content is BS.
Some other MMOs show how content can easily be scaled to group size to allow both types of player to play the content as they prefer. While these systems (I'm thinking LOTRO, FFXIV and Rift) may not be perfect they're a lot better than one 'side' or the other being very unhappy much of the time.
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LadyDestiny✭✭✭✭✭Craglorn was intended for groups but everyone was saying how easy it was to grind their lower levels there, well at least before the patch. The areas that actually need groups, seems there are no people to group with like VR zones, and main quest bosses don't allow grouping........lol I really wish this game would just fix the grouping problem and give us a choice.0 -
Covyn✭✭✭Don't worry OP, they are losing so many subs lately that they will have to change it so you can solo everything.Gyxx (VR1) Templar
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fyrefenix✭✭✭the guy who made this thread is really dumb. for one grouping is useless because everyone's phased out. and are icons or arrows on the screen with no bodies. if you can't solo craglorn you are a weak noobNatjur ✭✭✭
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There is currently only two classes in this game, DK and Sorcs.
Templar's and NB are just 'extras' that have not been removed yet.1 -
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✭Please don't force us to have to do all he content solo !
We see this all the time, solo players asking for all the content to be solo. There should be group content and if you don't like grouping then you opt out.
Just like if you don't like crafting you can opt out.
Please dont make the open world game entirely solo, it happened in lotro and it was sad.
ThanksAt least the spelling is difficult for you.
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Yeah, I'm Level 31, because my wife and I refuse to solo quests. We're just doing all the side-quests.
Indeed, ZOS didn't really plan out the Rings of Mara with the structure of the game. Maybe too many departments with no common goal? Who knows.
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Devlinne✭✭✭Craglorn quests need groups no matter HOW skilled you are. Theres a quest that requires your party to each collect a different element and hand it in. and no....you can't collect em yourself one by one and turn them in solo...i tried.
I'm not talking about reducing the level of difficulty, just remove the NEED for a group which quests like the above.
We should be able to TRY and solo whatever we want.Devlinne: VR12 NB
Demonos: VR12 Sorc
Devin Flames: VR12 DK
Hellzanger: VR12 Templar
Thats right. ALL CLASSES.2 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭ozgod22_eso wrote: »Where Zenimax fell between two stools is that they made it accessible to anyone.
So what. The ability to do something does not mean you have to do it. Zen is not your mother. Their job is not to save you from yourself.
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Elirienne✭✭✭✭Well, I finished all three alliances (not all side quests) and now what? I cannot go to craglorn as it's not possible to solo for me. What do I do now? What's the point in releasing new content if people cannot play it?
Solo *is* the default way of playing - ie everyone registers for one account and create a character. Everyone CAN (may not want to, but can) play solo, not everyone can play in groups.
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As far as people saying you need Craglorn to get to VR12, it is completely untrue. I reached VR12 just from doing quests and dungeons once for the skill point(maybe one or two a 2nd time with guildies) without grinding before I even finished all the quests in Bankorai.
I like the fact that there is some grouping in this game. I just wish they honestly added more group content before Craglorn simply because it would get people more used to finding groups.
I think the biggest problem with grouping in this game, however, is the absolutely terrible group finder. I do not understand why there is not a way to just post a group you would like to form and let people apply to it and allow you to choose your group members. People randomly being added to your group based on them choosing the correct role and nothing else is absolutely terrible. This leaves the only option to find a group either find people in your guilds that want to do the same thing as you or zone chat.
If there was a way to post the quest or objective you wanted to do to a page that others could look at and choose from, it would allow people who are forming groups to select who they want to play with, and I think would encourage a lot more grouping during all parts of the game. This would make areas like Craglorn less of a shock to the system as the playerbase would be more used to grouping for things that are not instanced dungeons, world bosses, and dolmens.0 -
Arora✭✭✭who plays an mmo to have no socialization with other people seriouslyArora Moon - EB- Nightblade
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Arora✭✭✭
I do, I worded it weird. who plays an MMO to ignore all the other people in the MMO
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fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
ZOS are forcing you toby raising the level cap to VR12.Key word in the topic title is "forcing" in which no one is forcing anyone to get to VR12 so the thread was dead on arrival.
Their plan is clearly to release new content that requires you to be at the previous level cap to play it .. just like all MMOs do .. which means VR12 is a MUST if you want to be able to play the next content update which raises the cap to, say VR14.
They show no signs whatsoever of releasing new content that 50(1) can play, 50(1) is therefor NOT the level-cap and currently 50(12) is, thus a 50(1) has to LEVEL UP to 50(12) in order to be viable in current end-game content.
If 50 WERE the level cap I could wear any piece of gear in the game my class can equip, that's a basic feature of being at level cap in any MMO I've played (8 and counting), the fact my 50(3) can't do that and needs to LEVEL UP in order to equip some pieces prove beyond doubt VR1-VR12 content is LEVELING not END-GAME.
Thus, ZOS are FORCING you to group-or-GTFO to get from 50(1) to 50(12).
Q.E.D.
***"...which means VR12 is a MUST if you want to be able to play the next content update which raises the cap to, say VR14."***
WHY would anyone who 'doesn't like' full on group-necessary content have any desire at ALL to level up to say, VR-14? I've gamer friends who love various aspects of mmo's -- getting to endcap isn't their be-all though. IF attaining whatever IS endcap for a particular mmo IS your goal, then aside from creating your own mmo and getting it published, you need to work within the parameters set by that particular games creators. Those parameters in TESO, (*which were clearly promoted from years before launch) are that there WILL be increasing content difficulty/zone LEVELS.
Since you do not enjoy grouping or what you call 'forced grouping', and since we all knew before the game was launched that levels 1 - 50 would be solo friendly, and content thereafter would be group-encouraged, I do not understand why you chose to play this game. With every mmo I've played (starting in 1999), as it gets a little more seasoned, and with upper level staff changes etc, sometimes (rare though) there are some primary feature changes, but generally the original design, the primary overall game plan is followed faithfully.
I see fixes being done, I see adjustments based somewhat on player suggestions, I see communication occurring in TESO. I do NOT expect major changes to already planned, and executed zone content to be changed 360 degrees. Zeni no doubt did a great deal of research and has reasons for the target market they decided to plan their game to include. Should they be flexible enough to add to their consumer base? Sure. Should they make huge changes ie: do a lot of extra work to create on-par solo content that would be even with the group content already created in Vet areas? Naw.
I understand all of this, except ZOS created an environment that promotes grinding in Craglorn because it is "easier" than plowing through vet. zones. Therefore, those of us (me included) who want to group and experience content can't because 99% of the players in Craglorn are grinding.
I know this when I log on every day....I am lucky to find a group of four people willing to quest once every 3-4 days. I play quite a bit, too. And even if this does happen, we run maybe one or two quests, then they all leave.
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