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ESO Console priority - RIP PC gaming
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Wow, you're so l33t taking a stand against something that you scapegoat and really don't understand at all. PC games are limited so that the games can be sold to a larger variety of PC players who have cheap computers and it has nothing to do with consoles. Perhaps a few features in the game have consoles in mind, but this is just one game and there are many other PC games to play.
And you rationalization that mouse and keyboard are superior to controller is such a broad statement without any real substance to explain why. You have more keys and a mouse that has more precision than a stick, so what? Perhaps the controller is more immersive and requires more skill to use.
The fact that consoles are not built as good as mega computers is so they can be affordable to a larger player base, which makes a huge difference in multiplayer games. Many PC multiplayer games have terrible matchmaking because not as many people own a gaming PC. This is not because they rather play a lower end version, but because a good gaming PC costs at least twice as much as a console.
ESO will see a huge number of players on consoles due to how easy it will be to simply by a console, get the game, and then use a controller. I feel most PC players are intimidated by consoles because they know the consoles have a much larger fanbase. It's pretty childish, and you should really grow up. The PS4 has amazing specs and will play ESO really nicely in HD, and the players are going to love it with or without you lame ignorant attitude.
Only thing I can think of is..
..are you for real?
Sure we cant go back in time, so I could show you how for example WoW back in TBC era worked and was played, but if I could, you would very fast realize how horribly wrong you are.
You think we are intimidated by users of something, that even trained ape can use?
Only thing that PC players are afraid from consolists flock is even more destroyed games for us (ESO isnt really destroyed just by being console port, thats in ESO case actually rather small issue).
Reason why consoles "rule" is that they are easy enough for those trained monkeys, and games are with some exceptions about as much difficult. Ive seen, played and reviewed some console games which were ported to PC and sometimes one looks in disbelief how stupid average console player must be.
Another reason is simply that one, that consoles are bit tougher to hack, so their users must buy original games (which are seriously overpriced so even larger margin goes to distributors). Consoles might seem cheap, but if you actually want to play something more than one game, they become really expensive fun. Ask Xbox users.
So to sum it up.
Consoles win cause 1) being as easy to use as possible 2) hard to hack/modify. Ergo making most money, cause as we all know, about 50% of population has rather low-ish IQ (thats scientific fact). So they buy consoles. And those which made them and games for them profit.
Which wont be case of ESO, when it comes to consoles. It will fail, horribly.Proud owner of personal vampire and werewolf army (4 werewolves/4 vampires)..
I'm also using large doses of irony and sarcasm.
Plus Im mean person, cause I really dont have reason to like you. Or anyone.4 -
someuser✭✭✭✭The analysis I gave early in this thread will stand as the demographics and target-markets I outlined have zero appetite, and actually hold an aversion towards recurring premium subscriptions. To say ZoE is taking a MONUMENTAL gamble by following this business plan is no exaggeration. There is no precedent or hint that console games will retain subscription premium dollars to justify ZoE's speculation that it will be a huge return on their invested dollar. Frankly, I don't understand the decision-making those in leadership roles are making with this franchise. Quite literally it baffles me from a business standpoint.
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P.S. Hire some qualified programmer's to get the job done properly. The cost-cutting measures your finance guys are hoping to achieve by cutting corner's in this regard are really costing you more than the added salaries would entail. Free consulting advice for you.
P.S.S. Your current decision-making process is archaic, outmoded and lacks the responsiveness required to match the fact that you are a digital entertainment provider in the next generation of online gaming. Your firm should reflect that fact in its abilities and responsiveness to critical issues that arise and have in place a fast-track solution path to rapidly rectify game breaking performance impacting situations that dramatically impact the majority of users. In the digital age we now live in a two-week to a month turn-around to rectify game-breaking or performance impacting issues is simply unacceptable. I strongly urge you to find an outside consultant to streamline this process for you. Those inside the organization are to close and not objective enough to honestly make the changes needed on this front. It is in a very serious way impacting your bottom-line in a negative way.
I see no reason why a subscription based model could not work for console platforms. I think the assumption with console demographics needs to be carefully considered as that specific market is expanding and may increasing including non-traditional gamers. While this hardly represents conclusive evidence, my brother (computer science major and long time PC gamer) and his gf switched to consoles yet still are eagerly awaiting the release of ESO on the next gen consoles. I'm sure there are many more like him. I do agree it is a gamble of sorts, but that by no means, IMO, means it will not be successful. Aside from that, I think the sales and profits from the PC platform could help mitigate any losses if indeed you are correct.
As far as your qualified programmer remark... I think the dev team in ESO has been doing a fantastic job considering the scope of this game. I also have been reassured by the fairly consistent monthly releases of MAJOR content that goes above and beyond any MMO I have played... and this game has only been out for 3 or 4 months!
And with massive patches will come bugs and glitches. I personally do not allow that to detract from the skill and professionalism of the coders and developers who work under the umbrella that is Zenimax. I don't see the corners being cut that you do, though I freely admit my education has focused in engineering not computer science.
Since beta I have eagerly followed Paul Sage's blogs and videos and have been inspired by the passion of his team and himself. I personally am sick and tired of the shallow marketing tactics of game companies like EA with their micro transaction models and constant so-called expansion packs that do little other than milk their customers for every penny they have. It is refreshing to see a company like Zenimax try and buck that trend and, as you say, take a gamble, in the way they have with ESO.
I know this game has it's shortcomings, but I have been reassured by the amazing communication from ESO to it's player base. Additionally, if they continue on the tract they are on and release consistent content updates, bug and class balance fixes, and make good on the promises made in their "road ahead" blogs I think ESO might finally be the game that de-thrones WoW and opens the door to the next generation of content driven MMOs that are accessible on both PC and gaming consoles.
To make ESO look and feel like a PC MMO check out the following:
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Anastasia✭✭✭✭Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO wrote: »Tldr, whah!!! QQ.
... There also comes times when I like to sit down by myself and enjoy PC games. Games that offered so much functionality that they came with a learning curve and 1" thick manual(s). Think EvE, Baldur's Gate series, EQ 1&2 ... games where getting lost in the functionality is half of the fun.
Games with more than a 5 slot hotbar...
(random, old eq2 screenshot off of google images)
I hope MMOs can get back to this. I hate the trend with limited skills. It makes me feel like the developer is catering to mobile gamers or something. Also, EQ2 always calls to me even though my brain knows I dont really like it.
Why would you want that ? A bunch of abilities that you rarely use, it just clutters the screen. Not only that but it encourages the use of Marcos which then boil down your plethora of skills to a few macros so you end up using the same amount of keys. A limited hot bar means you must choose what skills you want to use in battle, that is strategy, where your choice to include or exclude a skill could mean the difference between victory or defeat. It also makes classes more diverse, one dragon knight can play completely different from another dragon knight solely based on what they decided to put on their hot bar
Don't even.
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ZeroInspiration✭✭✭Whatever that's why I posted a small 'TLDR' paragraph. In any case, I'm QQ'n because the majority of PC games I've gotten my hands on within the last ~10 years are usually over hyped console ports. Because of console's hardware limitations, devs offer only a little more to top end users (PC users). Why? We're (majority) not using a controller to play our PC games. We don't need some half baked "hotbar" scheme where you have to change weapons in order to access a second hotbar. We haven't the need for "Quick slot menus". Which is anything other than "quick", but rather an clunky annoyance. Reserve those things for peripherals with limited functionality, like controllers.
Are there any passionate dev teams left that didn't sell out to consoles? Who are only concerned about the sheer quality of their work and providing a robust gaming experience for top end users?
And no this isn't a "bash consoles because PC's are better" thread. I have and play consoles too. Consoles are great for what they can offer; Stability, relaxing while playing, having a laughing great time with the kids, hit the power button and goof off a few minutes before work. That's all fine and dandy, but ...
... There also comes times when I like to sit down by myself and enjoy PC games. Games that offered so much functionality that they came with a learning curve and 1" thick manual(s). Think EvE, Baldur's Gate series, EQ 1&2 ... games where getting lost in the functionality is half of the fun.
Games with more than a 5 slot hotbar...
(random, old eq2 screenshot off of google images)
Just seeing that picture makes me not want to play that game. I love the minimalist beauty of ESO a smuch as I dislike cluttered UIs on anything (games, software etc.) I don't see what's the point with having so many skills usable at the same time if you won't use most of them and if you can make due with 5 (or 10).
This is not a case of ESO being a console port, it's simply the way games are designed now, and it's part of the progress of things. And games are better because of it, you can get lost in the scenery and the story, not in a clunky, cluttered UI. Of course as with anything there are people who are too set in their ways and dislike progress.
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Anastasia✭✭✭✭The only reason PC gaming isn't truly dead is the fact that gaming has become more casual and we have facebook games, tablet games, etc. etc. that dont even come close to taking advantage of what a high end gaming PC is capable of. If you think the day's of people with high performance gaming rigs speaking for the majority of PC players isn't over, you're being deliberately obtuse.
People capable of running the latest games on max settings on a PC are an extreme minority. The next gen consoles are ahead of the bar when it comes to what the average PC in a persons home can do performance wise.
So when I see this thread, I see "wahhh cater to me, Im the minority and need something to do with all my hardware" well no, they wont. They can make way more money designing the game around consoles then beefing the game up and selling it to you and a paltry few other relics from PC's golden age who just wont STFU about it.
Money wins over your rhetoric, every time.
"gaming has become more casual" -- wishing it had only become 'more' casual rather than taking over ;o/
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Demographically speaking, console gamers tend to be lower wage earning less sophisticated consumers relative to that of their PC counterpart gamers. There are reasons why titles release on consoles that are single player or smaller multi-player based with no recurring subscriptions and that is due to the huge difference in target-market and demographic bases of the two aforementioned gaming subsets.
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This is the most ignorant thing Ive read on the posts...and theres some real A-holes out there..
Consoles have always been, (until recently) a social gaming system where you could sit with your buddy, (in the same room) and have a blast, not sit in your office alone and talk to someone you may have never met... But to say its a lower demographic is just ignorant. I have 4 pc's at home well over a grand each and I still prefer my console...
And as for sophisticated...... an ass is still an ass in my books doesnt matter how you say it.
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Really just have to stop and question the decision-making of those in leadership roles in this firm. They are taking a HUGE.......no MONUMENTAL...gamble on this console role-out of an MMO. Historically and statistically speaking, console gamers have an aversion towards premium recurring subscription products and the model has never proved an economic success with any previous title. Their expectations that suddenly because ESO releases on consoles this model somehow has no validity really flies in the face of proven viable business models.
Demographically speaking, console gamers tend to be lower wage earning less sophisticated consumers relative to that of their PC counterpart gamers. There are reasons why titles release on consoles that are single player or smaller multi-player based with no recurring subscriptions and that is due to the huge difference in target-market and demographic bases of the two aforementioned gaming subsets.
Recent history and business relates a story that decision-makers at betamax should heed and note very carefully. Do not jettison your PC gamers in some flawed hopes that suddenly, because ESO appeared in the marketplace, that recent consumer attitudes and trends somehow are going to magically change overnight. If you buy into your own hype and belief on this proven aversion shifting dramatically overnight then you are surely setting yourselves up for eventual failure.
This is the most ignorant thing Ive read on the posts...and theres some real A-holes out there..
Consoles have always been, (until recently) a social gaming system where you could sit with your buddy, (in the same room) and have a blast, not sit in your office alone and talk to someone you may have never met... But to say its a lower demographic is just ignorant. I have 4 pc's at home well over a grand each and I still prefer my console...
And as for sophisticated...... an ass is still an ass in my books doesnt matter how you say it.
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Requiemslove✭✭✭Doctoruniverse wrote: »The only reason this game is gonna succeed on the consoles is because of lack of competition.
But Destiny is scheduled to arrive soon and the market is becoming more and more crowded with MMO's.
My brother keeps on going on about destiny and from what he says it is a VERY exciting prospect.
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I have a question. When playing an MMO with multiple hotbars, say Everquest 2, WoW, or anything else really, how often did you use skills and abilities that weren't on the main bar, or even on the first five or six slots?
I ask because, when I was playing these games, I never used those abilities, they largely sat on the screen, doing nothing for the majority of gameplay, and made it confusing by offering ability bloat.0 -
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✭I like the way it is and I get by perfectly fine. Some of the best trial times in the game and one of the top sorcs on wabba.
the style was created before they were intending to make it for the console
in fact the console version is a port.... it was intended to be like elder scrolls not WoW.
The minimalist UI is perfectly usable and understandable I am sorry if you need someone to hold your hand. I don't know why things can't be different.
They are actually having trouble getting ESO on the consoles and saying they might have to lock it to 30fps which is causing a big stink.
It would be nice is people did a little research or knew what they were talking about before they post but at the very very minimum use your brain.Edited by Laura on June 27, 2014 6:13AM1 -
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✭gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »Console is a poor man's computer.
Just funny cause I play GTA5 with my boss on PS3, and he has more money than you'll ever make. We also both own G74SX laptops for PC gaming, but sometimes it's just more fun to roll on scrubs like you who can't use a controller to save your virtual characters life. The whole "keyboard and mouse" argument is ridiculously misunderstood. The mouse isn't superior, it's a crutch for people who can't aim.4 -
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FFXIV shows this isn't an inevitability, the PC version has a highly configurable UI and keymapping system, ZOS took the lazy way with ESO.TLDR? ESO PC users got a *** console port. In ESO we can't even get essential, basic functionality that PC users have taken for granted became accustomed to in any MMO. To utilize 2 hotbars we have to swap weapons instead of simply having 2 hotbars, because console controller's have limited functionality. /game
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✭Wonder why MMO fans didn't complain about a hotbar in Oblivion or Skyrim?
Oh yea, because TES doesn't use a hotbar ungrateful whiners. I see the hotbar as catering to PC MMO fans more than anything else.
Take your 5 abilities and enjoy them, or go back to WoW. All this entitlement and elitism makes me sick.Edited by SFBryan18 on June 27, 2014 6:28AM0 -
gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »Console is a poor man's computer.
Just funny cause I play GTA5 with my boss on PS3, and he has more money than you'll ever make. We also both own G74SX laptops for PC gaming, but sometimes it's just more fun to roll on scrubs like you who can't use a controller to save your virtual characters life. The whole "keyboard and mouse" argument is ridiculously misunderstood. The mouse isn't superior, it's a crutch for people who can't aim.
Woooah I think I hit a nerve. Calm down Mr. Projects-Because-Mad.
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✭gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »Console is a poor man's computer.
Just funny cause I play GTA5 with my boss on PS3, and he has more money than you'll ever make. We also both own G74SX laptops for PC gaming, but sometimes it's just more fun to roll on scrubs like you who can't use a controller to save your virtual characters life. The whole "keyboard and mouse" argument is ridiculously misunderstood. The mouse isn't superior, it's a crutch for people who can't aim.
Woooah I think I hit a nerve. Calm down Mr. Projects-Because-Mad.
Yea, you hit the "ignorant" nerve. If a system costs more money, it will have a smaller fanbase. Consoles are great for multiplayer games because everyone can afford one. Saying they a for poor people must make you some kind of rich bigshot? What kind of car do you drive then? Just curious if you're the kind of rich person who talks down to the poor? Or are you some poor hypocrite who needs to feel special?0 -
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LMAO at that last sentence, have you been trying hard to find an appropriate place to use those 'e' words .. and failed, so you dumped them here instead?Wonder why MMO fans didn't complain about a hotbar in Oblivion or Skyrim?
Oh yea, because TES doesn't use a hotbar ungrateful whiners. I see the hotbar as catering to PC MMO fans more than anything else.
Take your 5 abilities and enjoy them, or go back to WoW. All this entitlement and elitism makes me sick.
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✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
LMAO at that last sentence, have you been trying hard to find an appropriate place to use those 'e' words .. and failed, so you dumped them here instead?Wonder why MMO fans didn't complain about a hotbar in Oblivion or Skyrim?
Oh yea, because TES doesn't use a hotbar ungrateful whiners. I see the hotbar as catering to PC MMO fans more than anything else.
Take your 5 abilities and enjoy them, or go back to WoW. All this entitlement and elitism makes me sick.
That doesn't even make sense. Did you just fail at trying to be funny?
This thread is a console bashing joke and it should be locked. All I see is a buch of elitist crybabies scapegoating consoles because they want certain things in the game, when in fact, those things never existed in Elder Scrolls in the first place.Edited by SFBryan18 on June 27, 2014 7:22AM0 -
gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »Console is a poor man's computer.
Just funny cause I play GTA5 with my boss on PS3, and he has more money than you'll ever make. We also both own G74SX laptops for PC gaming, but sometimes it's just more fun to roll on scrubs like you who can't use a controller to save your virtual characters life. The whole "keyboard and mouse" argument is ridiculously misunderstood. The mouse isn't superior, it's a crutch for people who can't aim.
Woooah I think I hit a nerve. Calm down Mr. Projects-Because-Mad.
Yea, you hit the "ignorant" nerve. If a system costs more money, it will have a smaller fanbase. Consoles are great for multiplayer games because everyone can afford one. Saying they a for poor people must make you some kind of rich bigshot? What kind of car do you drive then? Just curious if you're the kind of rich person who talks down to the poor? Or are you some poor hypocrite who needs to feel special?
You, sir, are upset for an unknown reason and are taking this too far. I apologize if I have offended you to this extent with a random joke. You are way too sensitive about your shortcomings if you're this defensive Have a good night! Leader of Team Excision
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✭gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »Console is a poor man's computer.
Just funny cause I play GTA5 with my boss on PS3, and he has more money than you'll ever make. We also both own G74SX laptops for PC gaming, but sometimes it's just more fun to roll on scrubs like you who can't use a controller to save your virtual characters life. The whole "keyboard and mouse" argument is ridiculously misunderstood. The mouse isn't superior, it's a crutch for people who can't aim.
Woooah I think I hit a nerve. Calm down Mr. Projects-Because-Mad.
Yea, you hit the "ignorant" nerve. If a system costs more money, it will have a smaller fanbase. Consoles are great for multiplayer games because everyone can afford one. Saying they a for poor people must make you some kind of rich bigshot? What kind of car do you drive then? Just curious if you're the kind of rich person who talks down to the poor? Or are you some poor hypocrite who needs to feel special?
You, sir, are upset for an unknown reason and are taking this too far. I apologize if I have offended you to this extent with a random joke. You are way too sensitive about your shortcomings if you're this defensive Have a good night!
Maybe because your joke generalized that people who play consoles are poor. Not really funny for people who play consoles. More like offensive trolling.Edited by SFBryan18 on June 27, 2014 7:25AM0 -
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✭Wonder why MMO fans didn't complain about a hotbar in Oblivion or Skyrim?
Oh yea, because TES doesn't use a hotbar ungrateful whiners. I see the hotbar as catering to PC MMO fans more than anything else.
Take your 5 abilities and enjoy them, or go back to WoW. All this entitlement and elitism makes me sick.
In Skyrim/Morrowind, you can still use all the skills that you know. It's not like you have to chose only 5 and not have access to your entire skill set.
Unfortunately, each game in the series has also been dumbed down from its predecessor in order to appeal to a greater amount of players. In Morrowind we had proper attributes like intelligence/agility and more weapon types for example.
That trend continues in the MMO version and it's patently obvious that the game is designed so minimal work needs to be done for a port to console. Circle potion wheel... 5+1 skill slots... And controller has 6 buttons.. It's not a coincidence.
The game could be designed with a PC UI and a console UI.. Wouldn't really be that hard to do. Alternatively, they could make full use or the controller potential as final fantasy MMO does.Edited by Enkil on June 27, 2014 7:51AM0 -
gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »Console is a poor man's computer.
Just funny cause I play GTA5 with my boss on PS3, and he has more money than you'll ever make. We also both own G74SX laptops for PC gaming, but sometimes it's just more fun to roll on scrubs like you who can't use a controller to save your virtual characters life. The whole "keyboard and mouse" argument is ridiculously misunderstood. The mouse isn't superior, it's a crutch for people who can't aim.
Woooah I think I hit a nerve. Calm down Mr. Projects-Because-Mad.
Yea, you hit the "ignorant" nerve. If a system costs more money, it will have a smaller fanbase. Consoles are great for multiplayer games because everyone can afford one. Saying they a for poor people must make you some kind of rich bigshot? What kind of car do you drive then? Just curious if you're the kind of rich person who talks down to the poor? Or are you some poor hypocrite who needs to feel special?
You, sir, are upset for an unknown reason and are taking this too far. I apologize if I have offended you to this extent with a random joke. You are way too sensitive about your shortcomings if you're this defensive Have a good night!
Maybe because your joke generalized that people who play consoles are poor. Not really funny for people who play consoles. More like offensive trolling.
When I buy a console I just play games, so to pay $600 just to play games isnt cheap. Does your PC just play games?
And you offended more than just them....
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✭richiestyles wrote: »When I buy a console I just play games, so to pay $600 just to play games isnt cheap. Does your PC just play games?
You should try out some of the many other features that consoles have.
I pretty much only use my home computer for games and syncing my ipod. I know it has other things it can do but I don't use it for them.
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Singular✭✭✭✭JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »We have more buttons then wildstar and neverwinter which are pc exclusives.
The game was designed to look at your enemy not the top right of your screen to see buffs/debuffs
What??? We have more buttons than Wildstar or Neverwinter?
Nope. This Wildstar wiki describes more than 20:
http://wildstar.gamepedia.com/Keybindings
You're right about repulsive Neverwinter, though.
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Singular✭✭✭✭ZeroInspiration wrote: »Whatever that's why I posted a small 'TLDR' paragraph. In any case, I'm QQ'n because the majority of PC games I've gotten my hands on within the last ~10 years are usually over hyped console ports. Because of console's hardware limitations, devs offer only a little more to top end users (PC users). Why? We're (majority) not using a controller to play our PC games. We don't need some half baked "hotbar" scheme where you have to change weapons in order to access a second hotbar. We haven't the need for "Quick slot menus". Which is anything other than "quick", but rather an clunky annoyance. Reserve those things for peripherals with limited functionality, like controllers.
Are there any passionate dev teams left that didn't sell out to consoles? Who are only concerned about the sheer quality of their work and providing a robust gaming experience for top end users?
And no this isn't a "bash consoles because PC's are better" thread. I have and play consoles too. Consoles are great for what they can offer; Stability, relaxing while playing, having a laughing great time with the kids, hit the power button and goof off a few minutes before work. That's all fine and dandy, but ...
... There also comes times when I like to sit down by myself and enjoy PC games. Games that offered so much functionality that they came with a learning curve and 1" thick manual(s). Think EvE, Baldur's Gate series, EQ 1&2 ... games where getting lost in the functionality is half of the fun.
Games with more than a 5 slot hotbar...
(random, old eq2 screenshot off of google images)
Just seeing that picture makes me not want to play that game. I love the minimalist beauty of ESO a smuch as I dislike cluttered UIs on anything (games, software etc.) I don't see what's the point with having so many skills usable at the same time if you won't use most of them and if you can make due with 5 (or 10).
This is not a case of ESO being a console port, it's simply the way games are designed now, and it's part of the progress of things. And games are better because of it, you can get lost in the scenery and the story, not in a clunky, cluttered UI. Of course as with anything there are people who are too set in their ways and dislike progress.
With games like that you can hide the keybinds if you want - or toss them on another screen.
The power of the pc is to run more than one screen at once. Run three! One for your key binds, one for map. one for your game. Put chat somewhere, too.War, give me war, give me war.0 -
Singular✭✭✭✭richiestyles wrote: »gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »Console is a poor man's computer.
Just funny cause I play GTA5 with my boss on PS3, and he has more money than you'll ever make. We also both own G74SX laptops for PC gaming, but sometimes it's just more fun to roll on scrubs like you who can't use a controller to save your virtual characters life. The whole "keyboard and mouse" argument is ridiculously misunderstood. The mouse isn't superior, it's a crutch for people who can't aim.
Woooah I think I hit a nerve. Calm down Mr. Projects-Because-Mad.
Yea, you hit the "ignorant" nerve. If a system costs more money, it will have a smaller fanbase. Consoles are great for multiplayer games because everyone can afford one. Saying they a for poor people must make you some kind of rich bigshot? What kind of car do you drive then? Just curious if you're the kind of rich person who talks down to the poor? Or are you some poor hypocrite who needs to feel special?
You, sir, are upset for an unknown reason and are taking this too far. I apologize if I have offended you to this extent with a random joke. You are way too sensitive about your shortcomings if you're this defensive Have a good night!
Maybe because your joke generalized that people who play consoles are poor. Not really funny for people who play consoles. More like offensive trolling.
When I buy a console I just play games, so to pay $600 just to play games isnt cheap. Does your PC just play games?
And you offended more than just them....
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