ESO Console priority - RIP PC gaming

Alazarz · June 2014

There was once a time when I (we) could distinguish between a PC version of a game and the console version. Not only via crisper textures but through options that PC games usually provided. Those days have been long gone aswell as any hope of devs making a game with PC priority in mind. ESO is a perfect example of console priority (only rivaled by Skyrim in that regard). You guys take a brilliant game and ruin it by catering to the console crowd. Crappy UIs, limited character info, lack luster... everything. The list can go on and on. Can't we (PC users) atleast get the essential, fundamental MMO features that we've became accustomed to? Ofcourse controller's have a minuscule amount of functionality, but why punish PC users?

It's even more clear when it's advertised that the PC users can get a free transfer over to the console version. You guys know the PC version is a fail and will not last. Why? Because PC gamers (Who've been around for awhile) playing ESO know they got a *** console port. Stop ruining PC gaming. Why even release this steaming pile on the PC? You think that hobbiest modders and addon makers are going to correct your *** ups? That's just wrong. On top of that... "Press 'Q' to bring up the 'Quick menu'" ... "Swap weapon sets to use the alternate hotbar". Well, only because controllers can't handle 2 measly hotbars at the same time. What is that? Well I'll tell you; It's what we like to call a "work around". Console users can't utilize 2 hotbars simultaneously so PC users get punished with this *** work around where you have to "swap weapons" in order to utilize 2 hotbars.

TLDR? ESO PC users got a *** console port. In ESO we can't even get essential, basic functionality that PC users have taken for granted became accustomed to in any MMO. To utilize 2 hotbars we have to swap weapons instead of simply having 2 hotbars, because console controller's have limited functionality. /game

Kind Regards,
David

Digiman · June 2014

Sadly ZOE is trying get their PC users to go for a console transfer to beef up the cross platform population. To boot this game has been out on PC for a while and the forums along with the reviews still stand at a negative. Do you really think anyone is gonna bother buying this game on console for its outlandish price and subscriptions for an obvious pay to play beta?

It's already clear that this game is sorely lacking in direction and management on the PC. This game will die on console before it is born PC has proven its faults and unless ZOE has been holding out a magnificent patch to fix every bug when its released on console nothing is really going to attract people to buying their product.

Fleymark · June 2014

I'm playing here and going to start over on console.

Lots and lots of problems with this game that drive me crazy like everybody else, but I've been hoping for a console MMO for so long I'm still looking forward to it. Oddly enough.

Polwight · June 2014

Really just have to stop and question the decision-making of those in leadership roles in this firm. They are taking a HUGE.......no MONUMENTAL...gamble on this console role-out of an MMO. Historically and statistically speaking, console gamers have an aversion towards premium recurring subscription products and the model has never proved an economic success with any previous title. Their expectations that suddenly because ESO releases on consoles this model somehow has no validity really flies in the face of proven viable business models.

Demographically speaking, console gamers tend to be lower wage earning less sophisticated consumers relative to that of their PC counterpart gamers. There are reasons why titles release on consoles that are single player or smaller multi-player based with no recurring subscriptions and that is due to the huge difference in target-market and demographic bases of the two aforementioned gaming subsets.

Recent history and business relates a story that decision-makers at betamax should heed and note very carefully. Do not jettison your PC gamers in some flawed hopes that suddenly, because ESO appeared in the marketplace, that recent consumer attitudes and trends somehow are going to magically change overnight. If you buy into your own hype and belief on this proven aversion shifting dramatically overnight then you are surely setting yourselves up for eventual failure.

Innocente · June 2014

Yeah.
Well ESO is the LAST console based POS game I ever put money into.

I've learned my lesson.
And, learned it well.

Tendeep · June 2014

Too funny, I actually just hinted at this same thing in my just made post "You know what would be a constuctive and healthy post... " ;-)

Banananoze · June 2014

meh, i'll still take "wasd" over a stick

siledre · June 2014

I'm a diehard PC gamer, no game will ever get me to go to a console.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · June 2014

This pure FUD. A Linux expression long used to, describe M$ and other attacks. It means Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

Continue with your amusing contortions.

hk11 · June 2014

PC gaming is making a comeback. Almost all of the really good games are on the PC because they require more than 8 buttons.

I can really only think of two games that made consoles worth having: Darks Souls and GTA 5. DS made it to PC (albeit garbage), and GTA is incoming and you know people are going to mod it for extra awesome.

Fleymark · June 2014

You guys do realize that pretty much every game besides MMOs release on consoles these days? I've been PC gaming since the early 80s and still do, but as of a few years ago it's no longer this group of games on consoles vs that group of games on PC. There's just so much crossover now. I've come to so prefer shooters on console for example. Plus being able to sit on the couch while gaming is awesome.

As a gamer I would worry more about the current trend of every major MMO being a solo based theme park than anything.

Probitas · June 2014

Plus, I never get carpal from a keyboard the way you get carpal from a gamepad.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

driosketch · June 2014

Is it 2006?

Fleymark · June 2014

Probitas wrote: »

Plus, I never get carpal from a keyboard the way you get carpal from a gamepad.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

It just takes some getting used to. Sitting at the desk for more than a few hours messes with my neck these days. Love being able to kick it on the couch.

Alazarz · June 2014

Whatever that's why I posted a small 'TLDR' paragraph. In any case, I'm QQ'n because the majority of PC games I've gotten my hands on within the last ~10 years are usually over hyped console ports. Because of console's hardware limitations, devs offer only a little more to top end users (PC users). Why? We're (majority) not using a controller to play our PC games. We don't need some half baked "hotbar" scheme where you have to change weapons in order to access a second hotbar. We haven't the need for "Quick slot menus". Which is anything other than "quick", but rather an clunky annoyance. Reserve those things for peripherals with limited functionality, like controllers.

Are there any passionate dev teams left that didn't sell out to consoles? Who are only concerned about the sheer quality of their work and providing a robust gaming experience for top end users?

And no this isn't a "bash consoles because PC's are better" thread. I have and play consoles too. Consoles are great for what they can offer; Stability, relaxing while playing, having a laughing great time with the kids, hit the power button and goof off a few minutes before work. That's all fine and dandy, but ...

... There also comes times when I like to sit down by myself and enjoy PC games. Games that offered so much functionality that they came with a learning curve and 1" thick manual(s). Think EvE, Baldur's Gate series, EQ 1&2 ... games where getting lost in the functionality is half of the fun.

Games with more than a 5 slot hotbar...

(random, old eq2 screenshot off of google images)

Phantax · June 2014

"End of PC gaming"... RUBBISH !

Consoles(new consoles) come out about every 3 years or so. We get serious upgrades for PCs about every 6 months. The PC will always be superior to the console due to its diversity.

The PC is dead, long live the PC !

SFBryan18 · June 2014

How many MMO's are out and how many are on console? They finally get one, and it happens to be from a franchise that has made a couple console games already and some PC players feel entitled. There are plenty of exclusive PC mmo's to choose from. Look for one.

hk11 · June 2014

Alazarz wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Tldr, whah!!! QQ.

... There also comes times when I like to sit down by myself and enjoy PC games. Games that offered so much functionality that they came with a learning curve and 1" thick manual(s). Think EvE, Baldur's Gate series, EQ 1&2 ... games where getting lost in the functionality is half of the fun.

Games with more than a 5 slot hotbar...

(random, old eq2 screenshot off of google images)

I hope MMOs can get back to this. I hate the trend with limited skills. It makes me feel like the developer is catering to mobile gamers or something. Also, EQ2 always calls to me even though my brain knows I dont really like it.

Ranger · June 2014

Consoles are under powered pc's , controllers are worthless compared to a keyboard and mouse. Will never own one. They're time was the 80's, lets move on shall we?

Did I mention I will never buy one?

SFBryan18 · June 2014

Ranger wrote: »

Consoles are under powered pc's , controllers are worthless compared to a keyboard and mouse. Will never own one. They're time was the 80's, lets move on shall we?

Did I mention I will never buy one?

Seems ignorant.

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

hk11 wrote: »

Alazarz wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Tldr, whah!!! QQ.

... There also comes times when I like to sit down by myself and enjoy PC games. Games that offered so much functionality that they came with a learning curve and 1" thick manual(s). Think EvE, Baldur's Gate series, EQ 1&2 ... games where getting lost in the functionality is half of the fun.

Games with more than a 5 slot hotbar...

(random, old eq2 screenshot off of google images)

I hope MMOs can get back to this. I hate the trend with limited skills. It makes me feel like the developer is catering to mobile gamers or something. Also, EQ2 always calls to me even though my brain knows I dont really like it.

Well half the problem was your playing a shadowknight lol

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Ranger wrote: »

Consoles are under powered pc's , controllers are worthless compared to a keyboard and mouse. Will never own one. They're time was the 80's, lets move on shall we?

Did I mention I will never buy one?

Seems ignorant.

Could be ignorance or someone who is tired of having the PC games diluted and dumbed down so companies can dip into both markets . could be known as greed or smart business. greed if your the consumer , business if your the CEO.

Apophiss · June 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Seems ignorant.

Yes consoles do, don't they.

Ranger · June 2014

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Ranger wrote: »

Consoles are under powered pc's , controllers are worthless compared to a keyboard and mouse. Will never own one. They're time was the 80's, lets move on shall we?

Did I mention I will never buy one?

Seems ignorant.

Could be iggnorance or someone who is tired of having the PC games diluted and dumbed down so companies can dip into both markets . could be know as greed or smart buisness. greed if your the consumer , buisness if your the CEO.

nailed it

Ragekniv · June 2014

I still have perma-grin after returning a February pre-paid PS4 Imperial edition for $112.59 after the pre-holiday massacre patch! Best ESO moment yet!

Even with lamenting MMOs drifting from PC, if ESO was a better game, I would have no regrets porting to console.

ESO is not that game, not even close!

Anilahation · June 2014

We have more buttons then wildstar and neverwinter which are pc exclusives.

The game was designed to look at your enemy not the top right of your screen to see buffs/debuffs

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO · June 2014

Digiman wrote: »

Sadly ZOE is trying get their PC users to go for a console transfer to beef up the cross platform population. To boot this game has been out on PC for a while and the forums along with the reviews still stand at a negative. Do you really think anyone is gonna bother buying this game on console for its outlandish price and subscriptions for an obvious pay to play beta?

It's already clear that this game is sorely lacking in direction and management on the PC. This game will die on console before it is born PC has proven its faults and unless ZOE has been holding out a magnificent patch to fix every bug when its released on console nothing is really going to attract people to buying their product.

I know there are a lot of Ps4 users foaming at the mouth to get their hands on this. I would like to know what you think is sorely lacking in terms of management and direction...the game world is massive, the game feels like an Elder Scrolls game, there is pvp and pve endgame, they are continuing to put out patches and new content out at the same time, I really say I have to completely disagree with you on that point. And the reason they are offering to transfer characters to the console version has NOTHING to do with "bad" reviews or what ever conclusion you drew from the forums, it has to do with the fact that the console version was pushed back, so to compensate console users they are giving the option to start playing on the PC and later transfer to not lose any progress they made....period...so don't put word in ZoS mouth or draw your on conclusions on why they are doing things with out the proper knowledge. I don't even know what to tell the op lol....guild wars 1 and 2 uses limited hot bars and had weapon swap guess that must be a console port too.....o wait

wrlifeboil · June 2014

So what was the most recent $1 billion-sold-in-the-first-week pc video title that you can remember? Uh huh.

In general, consoles are where the video game big money is and will continue to be. For eso specifically, harder to say.

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO · June 2014

hk11 wrote: »

Alazarz wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Tldr, whah!!! QQ.

... There also comes times when I like to sit down by myself and enjoy PC games. Games that offered so much functionality that they came with a learning curve and 1" thick manual(s). Think EvE, Baldur's Gate series, EQ 1&2 ... games where getting lost in the functionality is half of the fun.

Games with more than a 5 slot hotbar...

(random, old eq2 screenshot off of google images)

I hope MMOs can get back to this. I hate the trend with limited skills. It makes me feel like the developer is catering to mobile gamers or something. Also, EQ2 always calls to me even though my brain knows I dont really like it.

Why would you want that ? A bunch of abilities that you rarely use, it just clutters the screen. Not only that but it encourages the use of Marcos which then boil down your plethora of skills to a few macros so you end up using the same amount of keys. A limited hot bar means you must choose what skills you want to use in battle, that is strategy, where your choice to include or exclude a skill could mean the difference between victory or defeat. It also makes classes more diverse, one dragon knight can play completely different from another dragon knight solely based on what they decided to put on their hot bar

Curragraigue · June 2014

Oh no someone else might enjoy the game and help to fund the game for future expansions.

The game looks and feels like all of the previous ES games I have played, there is no real surprise about the UI. I like a crisp clean look for immersion. I certainly do not want to go back to the pigsty bars at the bottom. So in summary I disagree that PC gaming is dying and I disagree that they have dumbed the game down for console.

PC gaming has evolved time to catch up guys.

SFBryan18 · June 2014

Apophiss wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Seems ignorant.

Yes consoles do, don't they.

Wow, you're so l33t taking a stand against something that you scapegoat and really don't understand at all. PC games are limited so that the games can be sold to a larger variety of PC players who have cheap computers and it has nothing to do with consoles. Perhaps a few features in the game have consoles in mind, but this is just one game and there are many other PC games to play.

And you rationalization that mouse and keyboard are superior to controller is such a broad statement without any real substance to explain why. You have more keys and a mouse that has more precision than a stick, so what? Perhaps the controller is more immersive and requires more skill to use.

The fact that consoles are not built as good as mega computers is so they can be affordable to a larger player base, which makes a huge difference in multiplayer games. Many PC multiplayer games have terrible matchmaking because not as many people own a gaming PC. This is not because they rather play a lower end version, but because a good gaming PC costs at least twice as much as a console.

ESO will see a huge number of players on consoles due to how easy it will be to simply by a console, get the game, and then use a controller. I feel most PC players are intimidated by consoles because they know the consoles have a much larger fanbase. It's pretty childish, and you should really grow up. The PS4 has amazing specs and will play ESO really nicely in HD, and the players are going to love it with or without you lame ignorant attitude.