Extra day of game time on account of 1.2.3 downtime?
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wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't be surprised if the OP is the type of person that buys something like a wet/dry vac or some other tool, uses it for a few days and returns it because hes done with it (despite it working correctly).
This is what society is catering to now. The entitlement generation is already running our country.
<shakes head> You can keep 'em down on the farm only so long with the imperious "entitlement generation" propaganda.0 -
Woolenthreads✭✭✭✭LOL. Eve Online had a downtime of 24 hours once and you're upset about 10 hours? I guess I was fortunate that I had to go out anyway and that then I had to sleep
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No, I totally get that it's upsetting, I admit to getting upset when I look forward to playing and can't, but it's just a game, go out and get some air at these times and keep an eye on the Forum Banner.
#edit what the heck is it with my dyslexic fingers?Edited by Woolenthreads on June 24, 2014 11:19PMOooh look, lot's of Butterflies! Wait! Butterflies? Get out of here Sheo, stop bugging me!
Having issues with Provisioning Writs? A list of problem Writs and people willing to help in game can be found in this Thread2 -
jonpaul✭✭✭Once again, another thread that is going in this direction... quickly.,,
I am sitting here.. wishing there were something to say but when people are arguing over this I just have to crash it.WAR EAGLE
I see myself as an intelligent, sensitive human, with the soul of a clown which forces me to blow it at the most important moments. -Jim Morrison0 -
Reevster✭✭✭✭✭mmmmmm tool ***
The DeWalt DWV012 10-gallon dust extractor with automatic filter provides a powerful yet portable solution for keeping the job site clean during and after heavy-duty applications. Not only does the 15-amp motor deliver 140 CFM of airflow for maximum suction, a variable suction function allows you to manually control the level of suction and the level of power consumption based on the task at hand.This newly designed RIDGID 12 Gallon High Performance Wet/Dry Vac is designed for Pros and DIYers who want a traditionally styled, medium sized vac that delivers the powerful performance and rugged durability required for job site clean-up. Its 5.0 peak HP motor delivers the suction power necessary to handle tough clean-up chores. However, it still offers the capacity to handle large messes
You sir, have some very nice shop cleaning apparatuses.
You are very kind. I have a D27904, actually (the one that pulses the filter every 15 seconds). It sounds like someone banging on your door (which is probably part of the reason I moved over to hand tool woodworking, mostly).Woolenthreads wrote: »LOL. Eve Online had a downtime of 24 hours once and you're upset about 10 hours? I guess I was fortunate that I had to go out anyway and that then I had to sleep.
No, I totally get that it's upsetting, I admit to getting upset when I look forward to playing and can't, but it's just a game, go out and get some air at these times and keep an eye on the Forum Banner.
#edit what the heck is it with my dyslexic fingers?
Ya this is nothing, I remember EQ1 down times for 2 days before and then it came back online for like 15 mins only to be down again for another 24 hours or more...fun times..
Plus we didnt get any compensation at all expect for free time to spend with our family's....ya it was rough back then...
Edited by Reevster on June 24, 2014 11:24PM1 -
wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭Once again, another thread that is going in this direction... quickly.,,
I am sitting here.. wishing there were something to say but when people are arguing over this I just have to crash it.
Meh, obsoleted.
The mods on the beta site were very sensitive to attempts to derail a thread. On this forum, not so much.0 -
Hadria✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
Hey, remember last week, when maintenance was shorter than anticipated? Or the week before when one day was cancelled entirely?
Of course not. Because selective memory is just that: selective.
WoW has had 18+ hours of downtime during maintenance before. Their forums are just as full of people who don't understand how things work. And those posters are just as misinformed as the ones here who are demanding a "refund" for their lost time.
Also no one cares when things go good it's only when things are "bad"or not to their looking you see these weasels come out trying to act like they matter.0 -
wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
Hey, remember last week, when maintenance was shorter than anticipated? Or the week before when one day was cancelled entirely?
Of course not. Because selective memory is just that: selective.
WoW has had 18+ hours of downtime during maintenance before. Their forums are just as full of people who don't understand how things work. And those posters are just as misinformed as the ones here who are demanding a "refund" for their lost time.
Also no one cares when things go good it's only when things are "bad"or not to their looking you see these weasels come out trying to act like they matter.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. For better or worse, that's how it usually works.1 -
Hadria✭✭✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
Hey, remember last week, when maintenance was shorter than anticipated? Or the week before when one day was cancelled entirely?
Of course not. Because selective memory is just that: selective.
WoW has had 18+ hours of downtime during maintenance before. Their forums are just as full of people who don't understand how things work. And those posters are just as misinformed as the ones here who are demanding a "refund" for their lost time.
Also no one cares when things go good it's only when things are "bad"or not to their looking you see these weasels come out trying to act like they matter.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. For better or worse, that's how it usually works.
Oh I know, been through enough games/forums to watch it happen. It's sad really.0 -
jobobSoul ShrivenWell, a lot has already been said, so I'll just state my opinion:
I'm a working father who doesn't get a lot of gametime either, so I can totally understand the frustration of not getting to play when you finally have free time. I guess I just look at it like I knew going in that the game wouldn't be up 100% of the time, and, frankly, I've had very few times where I couldn't play... But I know that sometime (today for example) the downtime will fall just right and it will mess up my plans. I also know that when large content updates/expansions are pushed, it's going to be hit or miss.
I don't recall what the contract language was that I signed in the EULA, but ultimately I don't feel cheated by today, so I'm not going to nitpick. Are we entitlted to a refund? Dunno, guess it depends on whether or not it's reasonable to expect to be able to play for 43,200 minutes in a 30-day stretch, or whether it's considered common knowledge that some of that time will go towards maintenance. The pre-launch downtime was bad, I complained, ZOS made it right; I'm okay there too.0 -
zharthasb16_ESO✭✭✭Pretty sure a 10 business-hour downtime (not including how long it takes to download basically an entire game worth of data) should warrant a free day of game time for everyone. I'm not holding my breath on there not being an emergency downtime to push a hotfix in the works tonight either.
And don't quote the EULA or the TOS to me; we got two distinct "oh crap, this is actually going to take a lot longer than we anticipated" updates from the PR brass.
Do us all a solid and right this particular wrong.
you loose 50 cents .. is this so terrible?Megaserver US - since 20140 -
wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
Hey, remember last week, when maintenance was shorter than anticipated? Or the week before when one day was cancelled entirely?
Of course not. Because selective memory is just that: selective.
WoW has had 18+ hours of downtime during maintenance before. Their forums are just as full of people who don't understand how things work. And those posters are just as misinformed as the ones here who are demanding a "refund" for their lost time.
Also no one cares when things go good it's only when things are "bad"or not to their looking you see these weasels come out trying to act like they matter.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. For better or worse, that's how it usually works.
Oh I know, been through enough games/forums to watch it happen. It's sad really.
It's programmed in our genes. Without it, we as in mankind might not exist. So it isn't sad, at least to me.0 -
Reevster✭✭✭✭✭zharthasb16_ESO wrote: »Pretty sure a 10 business-hour downtime (not including how long it takes to download basically an entire game worth of data) should warrant a free day of game time for everyone. I'm not holding my breath on there not being an emergency downtime to push a hotfix in the works tonight either.
And don't quote the EULA or the TOS to me; we got two distinct "oh crap, this is actually going to take a lot longer than we anticipated" updates from the PR brass.
Do us all a solid and right this particular wrong.
you loose 50 cents .. is this so terrible?
Its more like 25 cents but whos counting lol, I guess some people just cant stand not getting their own way more so then the meager amount of pennies they lost.
Edited by Reevster on June 24, 2014 11:51PM1 -
Obscure✭✭✭✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
Hey, remember last week, when maintenance was shorter than anticipated? Or the week before when one day was cancelled entirely?
Of course not. Because selective memory is just that: selective.
WoW has had 18+ hours of downtime during maintenance before. Their forums are just as full of people who don't understand how things work. And those posters are just as misinformed as the ones here who are demanding a "refund" for their lost time.
Also no one cares when things go good it's only when things are "bad"or not to their looking you see these weasels come out trying to act like they matter.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. For better or worse, that's how it usually works.
Only in western whining philosophy. In the east, the nail that stands out gets hammered down. Barring a complex argument concerning modern concepts of philosophy, I'll just call it the unruly behavior created by the lack of parents that beat their children...pretty sure there's a pie chart showing the drop in whipping kids is proportional to their entitled asshatery.3 -
ForceMagnet3000Soul ShrivenI got a tonne of stuff done today. Yeah I would have liked to play but I am thinking my sorcerer's "crystal crush" (or whatever it's called) is going to damage more enemies now and the wait will have been worth it!! 0
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Hatred of ass? That makes little to no sensewrlifeboil wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
Hey, remember last week, when maintenance was shorter than anticipated? Or the week before when one day was cancelled entirely?
Of course not. Because selective memory is just that: selective.
WoW has had 18+ hours of downtime during maintenance before. Their forums are just as full of people who don't understand how things work. And those posters are just as misinformed as the ones here who are demanding a "refund" for their lost time.
Also no one cares when things go good it's only when things are "bad"or not to their looking you see these weasels come out trying to act like they matter.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. For better or worse, that's how it usually works.
Only in western whining philosophy.wrlifeboil wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
Hey, remember last week, when maintenance was shorter than anticipated? Or the week before when one day was cancelled entirely?
Of course not. Because selective memory is just that: selective.
WoW has had 18+ hours of downtime during maintenance before. Their forums are just as full of people who don't understand how things work. And those posters are just as misinformed as the ones here who are demanding a "refund" for their lost time.
Also no one cares when things go good it's only when things are "bad"or not to their looking you see these weasels come out trying to act like they matter.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. For better or worse, that's how it usually works.
Only in western whining philosophy. In the east, the nail that stands out gets hammered down. Barring a complex argument concerning modern concepts of philosophy, I'll just call it the unruly behavior created by the lack of parents that beat their children...pretty sure there's a pie chart showing the drop in whipping kids is proportional to their entitled asshatery.
Edited by yodased on June 25, 2014 12:02AMTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
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Hatred of ass? That makes little to no sensewrlifeboil wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
Hey, remember last week, when maintenance was shorter than anticipated? Or the week before when one day was cancelled entirely?
Of course not. Because selective memory is just that: selective.
WoW has had 18+ hours of downtime during maintenance before. Their forums are just as full of people who don't understand how things work. And those posters are just as misinformed as the ones here who are demanding a "refund" for their lost time.
Also no one cares when things go good it's only when things are "bad"or not to their looking you see these weasels come out trying to act like they matter.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. For better or worse, that's how it usually works.
Only in western whining philosophy.wrlifeboil wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
Hey, remember last week, when maintenance was shorter than anticipated? Or the week before when one day was cancelled entirely?
Of course not. Because selective memory is just that: selective.
WoW has had 18+ hours of downtime during maintenance before. Their forums are just as full of people who don't understand how things work. And those posters are just as misinformed as the ones here who are demanding a "refund" for their lost time.
Also no one cares when things go good it's only when things are "bad"or not to their looking you see these weasels come out trying to act like they matter.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. For better or worse, that's how it usually works.
Only in western whining philosophy. In the east, the nail that stands out gets hammered down. Barring a complex argument concerning modern concepts of philosophy, I'll just call it the unruly behavior created by the lack of parents that beat their children...pretty sure there's a pie chart showing the drop in whipping kids is proportional to their entitled asshatery.
AND THEN THERE WAS CHEEZE!
...yeah I dunno, I'm just as confused as you are right now...0 -
Reevster✭✭✭✭✭Asshatery
The state or condition of being an ***. Having the collective qualitites or characters of an ***.
"His antics were a perfect example of asshatery"
A state created by an ***. Used grammatically in the way you would use "disarray".
Ugh i just realized that some dont know what "disarray" is as well lol...oh well use your iphone to look it up instead of playing *** videos/FB etc etc
[url="http://"]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Asshatery[/url]Edited by Reevster on June 25, 2014 12:33AM0 -
Blade_07✭✭✭✭It would take balls and some sense of fairness on Zenimax part to actually give us a free day and they lack both! >.< Please, shock me and prove me wrong!“Man can live about forty days without food, about three days without water, about eight minutes without air, but only for one second without hope.”0 -
wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭It would take balls and some sense of fairness on Zenimax part to actually give us a free day and they lack both! >.< Please, shock me and prove me wrong!
Ordinarily I wouldn't think this warrants a free day.
But the inconsistencies in the maintenance schedule are enough to drive a sane person mad. So go for it, anklebiters!
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lecarcajou_ESO✭✭✭✭Well, it's a good chunk of time to revisit GW2 and maybe break this unfortunate addiction. Mind you, I don't think Zenimax owes us anything for rolling out a big update with lots of stuff we probably really want. But it sure is nicer when a company does that and I don't have to give a hoot about the downtime because—I paid once for the software, and never for playtime.
I guess what I'm trying to say is... if you play a subscription based game, downtime will feel like you're not getting (all) your money's worth, sure. Nevertheless, downtime happens. If you get so bent out of shape about it—even though "your money's worth" in this case probably amounts to a very small amount—maybe a f2p title is better for your cardiovascular health. Edited by lecarcajou_ESO on June 25, 2014 1:02AM"Morally Decentralized."0 -
SK1TZ0FR3N1K✭✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
1 hour for a rolling restart does not in any way compare to a content update... why don't you take your worldly knowledge and link the posts that happen after their patches... you know, the ones where battle.net is broken every single time they do a patch. This 10 hour maintenance p***ed me off, as did the whole "we no longer support your copy of the game if add-on's are installed" message, but you can not in any way compare a patch to a rolling restart.“There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by readin’. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” -Will Rogers0 -
Lodestar✭✭✭✭No. Read the eula
Curb your entitlement complex.
Got to laugh at these grunters, who come on saying things like this.
A game company releases a game unfinished, full of bugs, at such high prices even for standard, never takes responsibility for it's actions, releases patches not properly tested with incomplete patch notes, takes servers down for customers for hours, and never refunds the time. And somehow it is the customer who is self entitled for asking for acknowledgement or recompense!?!
If the OP is self entitled, what does that make Zenimax?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It would take balls and some sense of fairness on Zenimax part to actually give us a free day and they lack both! >.< Please, shock me and prove me wrong!
You've already gotten free days for extended maintenance periods in the past. In fact, we all got way more time than the server was actually down for.
And this is exactly why I wish they wouldn't. It's like a Skinner Box. People start assuming that if they whine enough, they'll eventually get the reward.----
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Here is what the Terms of Service says about this (and this is pretty much the same for any af the many, mnay, mnay MMOs I have played.) So no, for a patch to take a day if not something anyone really needs or should expect a day back. Not to speak of it by WoW *le gasp* was down every Tue for several hours and patch days were typically a mess. This is part of every MMO. Don't try to argue semantics about when you opened it and all that. You are just trying to get people wound up. If you have a real issue with this then go hire a team of attorneys.
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Edited by kassandratheclericb14_ESO on June 25, 2014 12:54PM0 -
looneyozySoul ShrivenDoes it bother you that insurance is the only thing in the world you pay for and hope you don't have to use?
How about incidental insurance, overdraft protection, credit monitoring.
All things you gladly pay for and are seriously happy to NEVER use them.
It is what it is, we could go back to the AOL days and pay by the hour if you like....
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