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Extra day of game time on account of 1.2.3 downtime?
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Asava✭✭✭EULA/TOS means squat in the eyes of courts. Especially when consumers are being denied service that they've paid for. I wish the USA took the stance that the EU takes on digital rights. I didn't get anything but an email from CS after I was unable to log in for 5 days due to their db *** up. So I doubt that you'll get anything for a few hours of extended downtime.Edited by Asava on June 24, 2014 10:38PM0 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭this is going to escalate quickly, so let's go.
So who is worried? The bigger or the smaller? The bigger may complain they have to get closer, but the smaller may complain of carpal tunnel..
Oh the horror.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
Munku✭✭✭Well, then, take zos to court for a few extra hours of downtime. I'm interested in hearing how much the lawyers on both sides, and the judge, laughter at you.1 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭No you are not. You agreed to the tos an EULA. Therefore you agreed your rights away. Don't like it? Cry a little more.
Ok Mr. Catchphrase the one thing you are entitled to is your rights and it is not legal to sign them away. You always have your rights .. that is an actual entitlement. Regardless if there is one thing the game needs it is customers and they can't afford catchphrase keyboard warriors running off the few they have left honestly. There are thousands of MMOs and they are fighting for the limited audience willing to pay a subscription.
The only place I have ever seen the word entitled thrown around as much as these forums is a Tea Party rally.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EULA/TOS means squat in the eyes of courts. Especially when consumers are being denied service that they've paid for. I wish the USA took the stance that the EU takes on digital rights.
I'm sure that a judge will be happy to provide you with restitution. Of course, since US civil courts require that you sue for a minimum of $20, you've got another 380-or-so hours of game time before that's a possibility. But hey, maybe if you get together enough friends, you can do a class action suit and get $0.50 a piece.----
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raines80Soul Shrivennerevarine1138 wrote: »I purchased this game prior to signing any EULA. I was not asked to sign a EULA at the time of purchase... I wasn't asked to sign one till the game was unwrapped and no longer returnable.
Yes. As with every single piece of non-open-code software ever made, you have to agree to the EULA to actually use it. If you don't like it, write your congressman.
yes.. but only in MMOs do you sign something that says you still have to pay for game time that you are unable to use.
Does it not bother anyone else that the software companies are the ONLY companies in the world that are allowed to release things half finished and not accept returns?
I work 60+ hours a week. I am a father and a husband. I do not have much down time. When I do get a chance to myself and the ability to unwind I enjoy gaming. This is my down time and I am unable to play the game because of this massive patch. I am not mad about the patch... I am mad about paying for time I am not using. This server downtime is not my fault. Why should I pay for it?
I understand the EULA... I just think it is a low brow business practice.
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »I purchased this game prior to signing any EULA. I was not asked to sign a EULA at the time of purchase... I wasn't asked to sign one till the game was unwrapped and no longer returnable.
Yes. As with every single piece of non-open-code software ever made, you have to agree to the EULA to actually use it. If you don't like it, write your congressman.
yes.. but only in MMOs do you sign something that says you still have to pay for game time that you are unable to use.
Does it not bother anyone else that the software companies are the ONLY companies in the world that are allowed to release things half finished and not accept returns?
I work 60+ hours a week. I am a father and a husband. I do not have much down time. When I do get a chance to myself and the ability to unwind I enjoy gaming. This is my down time and I am unable to play the game because of this massive patch. I am not mad about the patch... I am mad about paying for time I am not using. This server downtime is not my fault. Why should I pay for it?
I understand the EULA... I just think it is a low brow business practice.
Actually, it's the retailers who aren't accepting returns. ZO refunded people's money within a reasonable amount of time if they wanted to return their digital copies of the game.
And no, it's not that unreasonable. Software is data. Data can be copied. Once you've opened the box, you already had access to the data. Now, I'm sure an honest individual like yourself would never dream of taking advantage of a retailer by, say, installing a program and then trying to return a worthless disc to them. But some less scrupulous people might.----
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sylviermoone✭✭✭✭✭BAHAHAHA. This thread.
Anyone that doesn't know by now to plan on doing something else on patch days deserves the frustration.
Are we going to get a lock on this thread soon? Or at least bury it?Co-GM, Angry Unicorn Traders: PC/NA
"Official" Master Merchant Tech Support
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Does it bother you that insurance is the only thing in the world you pay for and hope you don't have to use?
How about incidental insurance, overdraft protection, credit monitoring.
All things you gladly pay for and are seriously happy to NEVER use them.
It is what it is, we could go back to the AOL days and pay by the hour if you like....Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.1 -
Spiritreaver_ESO✭✭✭EULA/TOS means squat in the eyes of courts. Especially when consumers are being denied service that they've paid for. I wish the USA took the stance that the EU takes on digital rights.
You know? I'd really love to see some gamer take a company to court and sue for this non-issue.
Doesn't even have to be a ZOS customer, any online gamer will do. I'd pay money just to see how 'server was taken down to implement a major version update and accompanying maintenance' was construed into being a arguable case. Regardless of the outcome.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They already gave us 7 extra days of free play, 2 bonus days for Early Access and 5 more days just for playing most of your starter 30 days. How much more free time do you need?1 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
Hey, remember last week, when maintenance was shorter than anticipated? Or the week before when one day was cancelled entirely?
Of course not. Because selective memory is just that: selective.
WoW has had 18+ hours of downtime during maintenance before. Their forums are just as full of people who don't understand how things work. And those posters are just as misinformed as the ones here who are demanding a "refund" for their lost time.----
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sylviermoone wrote: »BAHAHAHA. This thread.
Are we going to get a lock on this thread soon? Or at least bury it?
Just when the discussion was starting to be a smidge productive?0 -
xanikk999✭✭✭I wouldn't be surprised if the OP is the type of person that buys something like a wet/dry vac or some other tool, uses it for a few days and returns it because hes done with it (despite it working correctly).
This is what society is catering to now. The entitlement generation is already running our country.2 -
brainasium✭✭sylviermoone wrote: »Anyone that doesn't know by now to plan on doing something else on patch days deserves the frustration.
Tuesday is not a regular NA patch day, smart guy.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the OP is the type of person that buys something like a wet/dry vac or some other tool, uses it for a few days and returns it because hes done with it (despite it working correctly).
This is what society is catering to now. The entitlement generation is already running our country.
Actually, I have a dewalt dust extractor that I use on most of my power tools, and a ridgid wet/dry for general shavings/sawdust cleanup.0 -
wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Have you played other MMOs?
ESO server maintenance downtime is really pretty reasonable.
Wow, did I just praise Zenimax?
I'm a Templar still fuming from Beta and four months subscription revenue without sustained DPS and resource mechanic balance for all classes.
For the less worldly among us, this is WoW's maintenance schedule for the week.BlizzardCSVerified account @BlizzardCS
MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE 6/24: #WoW - Rolling restarts beginning at 5am lasting approximately 1 hour. Auth 9am - 11am PDT
Yes, 1 hour.
Hey, remember last week, when maintenance was shorter than anticipated? Or the week before when one day was cancelled entirely?
Of course not. Because selective memory is just that: selective.
WoW has had 18+ hours of downtime during maintenance before. Their forums are just as full of people who don't understand how things work. And those posters are just as misinformed as the ones here who are demanding a "refund" for their lost time.
Are you really comparing the tech back in 2006 to the tech in 2014? I remember when updating Windows 2000 sometimes took hours. Nowadays, updating Windows 8.1 takes minutes. To use an old phrase, the state of the art has advanced. Quit reminiscing about the good 'ol days.1 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mmmmmm tool ***
The DeWalt DWV012 10-gallon dust extractor with automatic filter provides a powerful yet portable solution for keeping the job site clean during and after heavy-duty applications. Not only does the 15-amp motor deliver 140 CFM of airflow for maximum suction, a variable suction function allows you to manually control the level of suction and the level of power consumption based on the task at hand.This newly designed RIDGID 12 Gallon High Performance Wet/Dry Vac is designed for Pros and DIYers who want a traditionally styled, medium sized vac that delivers the powerful performance and rugged durability required for job site clean-up. Its 5.0 peak HP motor delivers the suction power necessary to handle tough clean-up chores. However, it still offers the capacity to handle large messes
You sir, have some very nice shop cleaning apparatuses.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
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✭✭Not going to hold breath.The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.1 -
xanikk999✭✭✭I wouldn't be surprised if the OP is the type of person that buys something like a wet/dry vac or some other tool, uses it for a few days and returns it because hes done with it (despite it working correctly).
This is what society is catering to now. The entitlement generation is already running our country.
Actually, I have a dewalt dust extractor that I use on most of my power tools, and a ridgid wet/dry for general shavings/sawdust cleanup.
Uh what? I never said anything about what tools people have.
Why are you telling me this? How is this relevant to anything I said?0 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't be surprised if the OP is the type of person that buys something like a wet/dry vac or some other tool, uses it for a few days and returns it because hes done with it (despite it working correctly).
This is what society is catering to now. The entitlement generation is already running our country.
Actually, I have a dewalt dust extractor that I use on most of my power tools, and a ridgid wet/dry for general shavings/sawdust cleanup.
Well honestly friend it's pretty laid out in front of you there.
Comparison to a person using a tool and bringing it back to show lack of morality and ambiguity to the law turned into tool show from OP and tool *** from Yoda.
That is all.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The amount of work they are pouring into this game for YOU and you want to be compensated for 1 day? How they keep from deleting various players is beyond me.
Thanks for straightening that out.
Here I was thinking they were using the sub money I was paying to hire the devs and keep expenses paid.
I had no idea it was purely a labor of love for them with no recompense.
Clearly, any player who has issues with getting what they bargained for SHOULD be stricken from the roles.The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.1 -
Hadria✭✭✭✭You people are hilarious,I love when the maintenance takes longer then expected. It produces some funny threads.
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Reevster✭✭✭✭✭A free day? Hell no, I wish they would have more down time so i can get some house/yard work done, I would pay extra for more down time as a matter of fact..
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AngryWolf✭✭✭This thread topic really made me laugh. Thank you for whoever posted it...I really needed a laugh today.1 -
Obscure✭✭✭✭✭
...if a hyper advanced race of alien creatures came to earth and asked me if humanity deserved to live I'd cite stupid *** like this to give them the go ahead to fire the death rays...3 -
mmmmmm tool ***The DeWalt DWV012 10-gallon dust extractor with automatic filter provides a powerful yet portable solution for keeping the job site clean during and after heavy-duty applications. Not only does the 15-amp motor deliver 140 CFM of airflow for maximum suction, a variable suction function allows you to manually control the level of suction and the level of power consumption based on the task at hand.This newly designed RIDGID 12 Gallon High Performance Wet/Dry Vac is designed for Pros and DIYers who want a traditionally styled, medium sized vac that delivers the powerful performance and rugged durability required for job site clean-up. Its 5.0 peak HP motor delivers the suction power necessary to handle tough clean-up chores. However, it still offers the capacity to handle large messes
You sir, have some very nice shop cleaning apparatuses.
You are very kind. I have a D27904, actually (the one that pulses the filter every 15 seconds). It sounds like someone banging on your door (which is probably part of the reason I moved over to hand tool woodworking, mostly).0 -
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✭✭ElmoHatesMe wrote: »you said it best OP. BUSINESS time. go get a job.
I had a job.
I already paid into the infrastructure that you're using.
I (or someone like me) already paid into your public school education and for the internet backbone you're using now.
When did I have to start justifying what hours I access the game I paid for to 'you', and/or have to ask your permission to have an opinion on it?
'Get a job' indeed.
The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.0
