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can we please have an open world PvP server now?
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kieso✭✭✭✭✭
✭As someone who's played on various PVP servers and PVP based MMO's, I say no; that'd be a huge waste of time and this game needs to really concentrate on many other things if it even wants to stay afloat.4 -
Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »morrowind expansion would be perfect for me to be considered the pvp area. if thats what u mean by 4th alliance.
You dont even know what "Morrowind" is, how can we take anything you say seriously?
HOW can you play an Elder Scrolls game and NOT know what Morrowind is?2 -
Morticielle✭✭✭
If you actually did wait for that, you'd be a quite unintelligent person who doesn't understand the concept of a Megaserver and why there will be no "Open-World-PvP-Server".Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »those of us who prefer and cannot live without an open world PvP server have waited and been silent about this since launch.Lady Morticielle d'Aragòn |VR12| Sorcerer | PvP Rank 21 (Major Grade I) | EU-Megaserver | AD
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- Zenimax does nothing to fix the massive ability lags in PvP
- Zenimax gives more attention to unnecassary 'content' like dyes for armors than fixing issues
- In patchnotes Zenimax lies about bugs allegedly fixed
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Zubba✭✭✭No its more like dont ask for something that doesnt make sense and expect the DEVs to do it.
I didnt expect them to do it. However I expect "them" to make the choice. Not you.
Add PvP loot drops for some risk/reward in this game.
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Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭Well since all their time and effort for PVP is focused on Cyrodiil, I don't see any "open world pvp" being added any time soon.
They are CONSIDERING arenas/battlegrounds but in a way that WONT take away from Cyrodiil as again Cyrodiil is their focus.0 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Shaun98ca2 wrote: »HOW can you play an Elder Scrolls game and NOT know what Morrowind is?
Plenty of players are convinced Vvardenfell is Morrowind, when it is in fact only a part of it.
Part of Morrowind is already in game and the rest will hopefully be added.
Edited by Gisgo on June 19, 2014 2:06PM0 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭
They already made this choice years ago, get over it.
Its not even a matter of tastes, i like open world PvP and the ES franchise would be perfect for it. A Tamriel open pvp sandbox would be great.
Not on this game, though, it has not been designed that way.
Edited by Gisgo on June 19, 2014 2:11PM2 -
snowmanflvb14_ESO✭✭✭✭So exactly how would you do an open pvp server in this game. You can not travel to other factions until V1 and then you are in instance that only includes players from your faction. You would have to not only allow pvp outside of cyrodil but you would have to remove all the instancing, allow players to freely travel to different factions zones at all time and levels.Magic is impressive but now Minsc leads SWORDS FOR EVERYONE!!0
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Zubba✭✭✭
I am still allowed to agree on, and make suggestions. Even if you don't like it :-)
Can we agree on that?
Add PvP loot drops for some risk/reward in this game.
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Zub
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isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭WoW PvP servers are mostly dead, or _heavily_ imbalanced toward one faction or the other.
Cyrodiil is the open-world pvp ZONE. Zenimax doesn't need to go to the bother and expense of making a third server that will be underpopulated, or eventually home to just one faction (whichever one starts winning more often.) They may add other PvP _zones_ in the future.
But you "can't live" unless you can gank people everywhere you go? You can't bear ten levels of no ganking anyone until you can get into Cyrodiil? You, sir/madame, have issues that go beyond a game's design.
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Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »WoW PvP servers are mostly dead, or _heavily_ imbalanced toward one faction or the other.
Cyrodiil is the open-world pvp ZONE. Zenimax doesn't need to go to the bother and expense of making a third server that will be underpopulated, or eventually home to just one faction (whichever one starts winning more often.) They may add other PvP _zones_ in the future.
But you "can't live" unless you can gank people everywhere you go? You can't bear ten levels of no ganking anyone until you can get into Cyrodiil? You, sir/madame, have issues that go beyond a game's design.
And there is PLENTY of ganking to be had in Cyrodiil.1 -
Gedalya✭✭✭✭✭Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »those of us who prefer and cannot live without an open world PvP server have waited and been silent about this since launch. but i know for me and many others that were here during beta and long even before beta started, have been asking for TESO, (eso), elderscrolls online to allow an open world PvP server for those of us who want to play that way. i requested it for almost 2 years on the only forum we could make our voice heard IE: the bethesda forums, as well as on eso facebook, and also thier eso twitter before eso even launched.
now that the general population has had thier fun and playtime and are WELL into veteran levels, how about allowing us open world PvP lovers. to have our own server.
please
I would love an open world PvP server as a option for one of my alts. But really the EU megaserver problem really needs to be corrected first.1 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Shaun98ca2 wrote: »isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »WoW PvP servers are mostly dead, or _heavily_ imbalanced toward one faction or the other.
Cyrodiil is the open-world pvp ZONE. Zenimax doesn't need to go to the bother and expense of making a third server that will be underpopulated, or eventually home to just one faction (whichever one starts winning more often.) They may add other PvP _zones_ in the future.
But you "can't live" unless you can gank people everywhere you go? You can't bear ten levels of no ganking anyone until you can get into Cyrodiil? You, sir/madame, have issues that go beyond a game's design.
And there is PLENTY of ganking to be had in Cyrodiil.
Uh-huh. He's probably one of those types who hang around outside Orgrimmar all day, endlessly trying to duel anyone who walks out - and if you refuse, they keep spamming duel challenges until you get out of the area/fly away. And I'm talking on PvE servers. Real pests.
Heh. My level 90 Tauren was once duel-spammed by a lvl 10 something. After the first three turn-downs, I accepted.
Silly thing wasn't even checking who he was spamming, I guess.
Edited by isengrimb16_ESO on June 19, 2014 2:25PM1 -
Woolenthreads✭✭✭✭Woolenthreads wrote: »Amsel_McKay wrote: »In my opinion they will not create another megaserver. If anything the US and EU will merge
Then that would leave them with a spare server loaded with ESO. Surely that server could then be used for an open-world PvP server
Ummm... you are aware of the severs are merged, it will be because running and maintaining two megaservers, is not viable. I doubt you would see more PVP players on there than EU players as a whole.
@Lodestar I was kidding, hence the emote on the end.
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I will support a Pvp server for one simple reason..... to kill the idiot RP'ers who claim Cyrodill constricts their RP'ing....
Sadly Rp'ers would never play on a PvP server so I must now withdraw my open world pvp server support....4 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭My answer to the question is NO.
If Cyrodiil is "too small" for you, then you are in the wrong game.
There are open world PvP oriented fantasy games (not just servers of a PvE game)1 -
Xexpo✭✭✭✭✭I read 2 pages of comments .... still don't understand why Cyrodill isn't considered 'Open World' pvp.
What would be the difference in this proposition?
the fact that you could camp bigger quest hubs?
more low level players?
different scenery?
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babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I read 2 pages of comments .... still don't understand why Cyrodill isn't considered 'Open World' pvp.
What would be the difference in this proposition?
the fact that you could camp bigger quest hubs?
more low level players?
different scenery?
not sure what the OP is specifically requesting
OP wants to kill people 50 levels lower than he is, instead of kill people almost same level as he is (Cyrodiil upscaling, even though VR12 players are stronger).0 -
Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OP, the last thing you want is to turn a player like me loose on an open world PvP server.
Dead serious. I was a player killer before the term PK was even popular.
I would kill noobs, I would kill afkers, I would kill people doing a quest, I would kill people trying to beat a really tough boss, and I would do it all just because I could. Everyone is a target, everyone is a mark. Period.
Screw honor, screw fair play. In a world in which id fully expect anyone to be doing the same, id be a ruthless destroyer of everyone I saw.
You have no idea how evil open world really is until youve actually played it. I say me, but there are so many like me, you would be opening up a pandoras box of grief the likes of which youve never once experienced before.Edited by Rylana on June 20, 2014 7:25AM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭PVP is locked away for a reason. To keep greifers on a tight leash. Not every game ever released has to have world pvp. If you have to have the ability to trash the game for someone else go elsewhere. Its not needed or wanted
here.
In your opinion. I love this holier than thou attitude that some people get when the topic of PvP comes up.
Open world PvP isn't about "trashing" anything. Everyone who plays on a PvP server does it knowing what they are getting into and do it because it's what they find fun.
And the reason people ask for open world PvP is because most games don't have it. Yet most games (like pretty much all of them these days) that suffer from dull, repetitive, linear, on rails content could benefit greatly from the new life that unpredictable open world PvP could bring. Like this one.
Get over yourself. If there were a PvP server no one would be forced to play there.3 -
Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭OP, the last thing you want is to turn a player like me loose on an open world PvP server.
Dead serious. I was a player killer before the term PK was even popular.
I would kill noobs, I would kill afkers, I would kill people doing a quest, I would kill people trying to beat a really tough boss, and I would do it all just because I could. Everyone is a target, everyone is a mark. Period.
Screw honor, screw fair play. In a world in which id fully expect anyone to be doing the same, id be a ruthless destroyer of everyone I saw.
You have no idea how evil open world really is until youve actually played it. I say me, but there are so many like me, you would be opening up a pandoras box of grief the likes of which youve never once experienced before.
That's what makes it fun. It makes everything really hard and accomplishments really have meaning when you gotten them done with people trying to kill you at every turn. Totally adds a whole new dimension on a game.
Not always in the mood for it but some of the most fun gaming I've ever done was open world PvP.1 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think adding another server is not such an easy thing since they are working with the 2 mega servers in this game , it has advantages and flaws , while it helps to game to always be populated , it should not be that easy to just create open world pvp for example.
Like others said , while i also think this would be nice for those that want it , i dont think they would be wise to spend their time and effort developing this now , maybe in the future."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »I think adding another server is not such an easy thing since they are working with the 2 mega servers in this game , it has advantages and flaws , while it helps to game to always be populated , it should not be that easy to just create open world pvp for example.
Like others said , while i also think this would be nice for those that want it , i dont think they would be wise to spend their time and effort developing this now , maybe in the future.
I really think it wouldn't ever be worth developing, open world pvp servers are ghost towns (quite a few people go in at first then after most of them prove to be the lambs not the wolves they quickly empty out), there just isn't enough demand for this sort of thing.
I'm not against choice, just I don't see how this is a good use of resources, ever.1 -
Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »I think adding another server is not such an easy thing since they are working with the 2 mega servers in this game , it has advantages and flaws , while it helps to game to always be populated , it should not be that easy to just create open world pvp for example.
Like others said , while i also think this would be nice for those that want it , i dont think they would be wise to spend their time and effort developing this now , maybe in the future.
I really think it wouldn't ever be worth developing, open world pvp servers are ghost towns (quite a few people go in at first then after most of them prove to be the lambs not the wolves they quickly empty out), there just isn't enough demand for this sort of thing.
I'm not against choice, just I don't see how this is a good use of resources, ever.
Ever? As in ever, ever? Ever, ever ever?
Lol it just kills me when topics come up that people aren't into all of a sudden everybody is a dev and CFO worried about resources.
I said before, I don't think this should be a high priority now or even for a while because of much more pressing issues. Get the game fixed and balanced first before new rulesets, is more than reasonable. I would say the same about any new content, really.
But "ever?" LOL blanket generalize much?
There is a concern that a PvP server would be under populated. They usually are because carebear is just more popular. That doesn't mean they aren't successful. To think that they fail simply because they are lower pop is a very glass half empty way of looking at it. Because it presupposes that if that server choice wasn't available all of the players that do play on it would automatically replaying on a carebear server instead.
This game is really really one dimensional and linear content wise and that is a serious problem for replayability. And I say that as someone who usually has loads of alts in every game. And it's because the entire content of the game is on rails. And it's the same thing every teir...3 Dolmens, 6 bosses, 6 dungeons glued together by quests ad nauseam. At VR4 I'm so bored with it I barely even play anymore. I have zero desire to do what I just did again on an alt, and since the VRs are so slow I'm finding myself seriously considering unsubbing. Many people already have. Sure there's cyrodil, but I don't need a constant reminder that I'm not VR12 and geared for it because I find the content that I need to get there so incredibly dull because it's repetitive and predictable.
This game reminds me a lot of EQ2 in that regard. I played the beta and at release but it was so on rails it got old fast. Unsigned associated something else. Until they added PvP servers. I was back with bells on and stayed for months. Got to talking with osome friends about it and they weren't into PvP, but did want to check out pve again...so I did that with them. SOE got a handful of subs for months because of the availability of PvP servers. In fact my friends wound up playing for years even tho I was more sporadic.
An option to open world PvP would breathe new life into the dull PvE of this game. Giving that option would keep customers, not the other way around. Plus, aside from the lack of diversity in levelling areas at given levels which may be a bit of a problem (unless all factions were open to all, which could be interesting) for PvP, there are things about this game that make it perfect for it too..Like gear not being a big deal.
Think outside the box a little.Edited by Fleymark on June 20, 2014 8:33AM2 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭How many of you who QQ about PVP server have actually played Darkfall?
That is a proper open world PVP game. Unfortunately not many, because it very brutal game also. (I played for 2y)
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Lodestar✭✭✭✭Woolenthreads wrote: »Woolenthreads wrote: »Amsel_McKay wrote: »In my opinion they will not create another megaserver. If anything the US and EU will merge
Then that would leave them with a spare server loaded with ESO. Surely that server could then be used for an open-world PvP server
Ummm... you are aware of the severs are merged, it will be because running and maintaining two megaservers, is not viable. I doubt you would see more PVP players on there than EU players as a whole.
@Lodestar I was kidding, hence the emote on the end.
I actually was not sure, in all honesty. Fair enough.0 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »I think adding another server is not such an easy thing since they are working with the 2 mega servers in this game , it has advantages and flaws , while it helps to game to always be populated , it should not be that easy to just create open world pvp for example.
Like others said , while i also think this would be nice for those that want it , i dont think they would be wise to spend their time and effort developing this now , maybe in the future.
I really think it wouldn't ever be worth developing, open world pvp servers are ghost towns (quite a few people go in at first then after most of them prove to be the lambs not the wolves they quickly empty out), there just isn't enough demand for this sort of thing.
I'm not against choice, just I don't see how this is a good use of resources, ever.
Ever? As in ever, ever? Ever, ever ever?
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Well yes, because it would need to be put at the very back of everything, after all the fixes and after all the other fluff and fun upgrades to the game, and by that time the game will probably not have a ton of people because it will be many years later, so even then it'd be pointless and worth no profit to the owners of this company.
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