can we please have an open world PvP server now?

Wintersage

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

those of us who prefer and cannot live without an open world PvP server have waited and been silent

QFT.

He's now passed on. All because no open world PVP. We need to shine more light on tragedies like this and do all we can to keep people from dying so needlessly in the future.

Enkil wrote: »

I'd be happy with some contested, open world 50+ pvp zones being carved out of the blank area on the map..

Now this could be fun. Were you thinking along the same lines as Cyrodiil? Like, if your guild/alliance controls so many/all you get special bonuses or something? Or the leader gets a new skill line?

Makkir

If they had an open world PvP server they would need to do something about the VR Ranks or put in a rule set to keep them from demolishing low level characters non stop (griefing).

baronzilch

I'm a fan of open world PvP... but, here are some reasons why this should not happen:

• with the small community that this game has, the numbers just don't warrant it;
• this game is too tedious to level in already;
• part of the levelling issue is the dependence on questing - players would be getting pked while having 'conversations' with npcs non-stop;
• the transportation system would become useless as these areas would become camped 24/7;
• separate rule sets would be needed (to alleviate some of the above problems, and more) and with all that needs fixing/balancing in this game, the PC dev team's resources don't need to be split. You can't just open a new world, set everyone's pvp flag to 'on' and call it a day.
• 'phasing' as suggested a couple of posts above would not work... who would go there to level? You would only go there to pk and that's basically what Cyrodil is for already.

The only thing necessary is to add some (or at least one of each) level 25 cap and level 40 cap campaigns. Hard-core PvPers could start their careers at level 10 somewhere where they can compete and this would take very little dev time to implement and update (heck, any bells and whistles added to the current campaigns could be ignored for these in future updates, if dev time is limited).

Makkir

I think some ocean maps would be cool, Ship Vs Ship kind of PvP

Enkil

Wintersage wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

I'd be happy with some contested, open world 50+ pvp zones being carved out of the blank area on the map..

Now this could be fun. Were you thinking along the same lines as Cyrodiil? Like, if your guild/alliance controls so many/all you get special bonuses or something? Or the leader gets a new skill line?

I am sure there are a number of ways they could do it... A few things off the top of my head...

• Similar to Cyrodil but more emphasis on PvE..
  
• Open PvP every where
  
• Accessible to all 3 alliances simultaneously but with different entry points
  
• Bigger PvE/PvE, more complex instanced dungeons with different entry points
  
• Rarer Overworld bosses with unique drops that can be killed by one person but only spawn every 2-4 hours or more
  
• Larger cosmopolitan city that is neutral in the alliance war. If they add an arena, house it here (I'm not advocating for an arena btw).

I'm sure we could all come up with some great ideas but the above is a start..

Catches_the_Sun

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

those of us who prefer and cannot live without an open world PvP server have waited and been silent about this since launch. but i know for me and many others that were here during beta and long even before beta started, have been asking for TESO, (eso), elderscrolls online to allow an open world PvP server for those of us who want to play that way. i requested it for almost 2 years on the only forum we could make our voice heard IE: the bethesda forums, as well as on eso facebook, and also thier eso twitter before eso even launched.
now that the general population has had thier fun and playtime and are WELL into veteran levels, how about allowing us open world PvP lovers. to have our own server.

please

Sorry, but with the Megaserver system, I don't foresee us getting ANY special server setups. No RP server, no Open World server, etc etc.

bugulu

A PvP toggle on open world PvP would be great.
Those who do not wish to participate in that simply don't toggle it on.
As another user above me said, use the phasing for this. If you have it on, you are phased to the same zone as other players who also have it toggled on.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

bugulu wrote: »

A PvP toggle on open world PvP would be great.
Those who do not wish to participate in that simply don't toggle it on.

WOW's PVE servers clearly demonstrate the even with the PVP flag to prevent you being attacked you can still get flagged by PVP jerks exploiting game mechanics, not to mention levelers being griefed by PVP jerks slaughtering quest NPCs and the like preventing questing.

NO WORLD PVP thanks, keep it is its own little ghetto called Cyrodil out of the way of the majority of players who have no interest in it.

In hact, better still, REMOVE PVP altogether, I'm fed up with the PVE side fo the game being nerfed to Oblivion as a result of endless PVPer QQ.

bugulu

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

bugulu wrote: »

A PvP toggle on open world PvP would be great.
Those who do not wish to participate in that simply don't toggle it on.

WOW's PVE servers clearly demonstrate the even with the PVP flag to prevent you being attacked you can still get flagged by PVP jerks exploiting game mechanics, not to mention levelers being griefed by PVP jerks slaughtering quest NPCs and the like preventing questing.

NO WORLD PVP thanks, keep it is its own little ghetto called Cyrodil out of the way of the majority of players who have no interest in it.

In hact, better still, REMOVE PVP altogether, I'm fed up with the PVE side fo the game being nerfed to Oblivion as a result of endless PVPer QQ.

This could be handled by making quest npc:s immortal.
And for PvP to toggle, you actually have to type it instead of accidentally right clicking a player and enabling it.

And as I said, when you have it on, you are phased to another instance. I am not sure how people will accidentally toggle it on by abusing game mechanics.

Gilvoth

Wintersage wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

those of us who prefer and cannot live without an open world PvP server have waited and been silent

QFT.

He's now passed on. All because no open world PVP. We need to shine more light on tragedies like this and do all we can to keep people from dying so needlessly in the future.

Enkil wrote: »

I'd be happy with some contested, open world 50+ pvp zones being carved out of the blank area on the map..

Now this could be fun. Were you thinking along the same lines as Cyrodiil? Like, if your guild/alliance controls so many/all you get special bonuses or something? Or the leader gets a new skill line?

i did not pass on, nor did i DIE like you mentioned. im simply asking normaly and kindly for a function of a server for us people who prefer this type of gameplay like other mmo's have.
this isnt going out on a limb and completely lost in space. this is a real request from a real person.

Shaun98ca2

Gee if only there was an area to gather PVPers. This way they can find each other and fight each other. Something Very BIG and open that is persistant. It should have quests and skyshards. Maybe even overall PVP objective like crowning the best PVPer king or something.

Crowning a king shouldn't be easy. We have 3 factions so we could create war of sorts where the 3 factions fight to claim a king.

The open would would allow people of all levels allowing for ganking. Maybe even hot spots to FIND people and gank them or simply have a more fair fight.

If only something like that would be implemented for the PVPers.

Aoifesan

With the vast number of crybabies all in one place on this server? No. It won't work. The second they implement this 75% of your remaining population(those that don't like PvP + those that claim they do and really can't handle losing) would quit.

Gilvoth

im just asking for our own server, the only people going to that server are those who wish to participate in open world pvp in all the zones.

Reldun

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

im just asking for our own server, the only people going to that server are those who wish to participate in open world pvp in all the zones.

And a week later posts of "pvp server is empty I quit QQ"

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

im simply asking normaly and kindly for a function of a server for us people who prefer this type of gameplay like other mmo's have.

Indeed, you are asking in that way however what you're asking for is a mega-server with different rules catering solely for a minority of the players .. even in games where open world PVP exists the population on PVE servers is greater than that on PVP servers (WOW, Rift, to name but two) .. and given the expense one can only imagine of a mega-server farm I can't see ZOS ever doing so.

Open-world PVP on the existing servers is what I was addressing in my reply, as as I just noted, I would assert those wanting open world PVP are minority of a minority and the disruption to the rest (as I also mentioned earlier) wouldn't be acceptable IMO.

Shaun98ca2

I don't have ANY idea what people think they are going to get out of "open world pvp".

Everything you want in open world PVP is IN Cyrodiil. All you do if find the zerg find the other factions closest keep and wait from them to come out and gank them.

This is actually one of THE greatest strategies you CAN do as MOST people ARENT waiting for others run with in Cyrodiil as that's WHY they are joining the zerg. Its an easy group to find and where all the action is.

I RARELY see combat running back to the zerg or have to worry about gank squads which is WRONG to be honest. I and many others like me should FEAR attempting to get back to the zerg without team work.

Plus this slows the zerg's regen rate. The zerg witht the better regen has a better advantage then the one without. So gank squads HELP sway the zerg fight in their favor.

Woolenthreads

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

In my opinion they will not create another megaserver. If anything the US and EU will merge

Then that would leave them with a spare server loaded with ESO. Surely that server could then be used for an open-world PvP server

Lodestar

Woolenthreads wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

In my opinion they will not create another megaserver. If anything the US and EU will merge

Then that would leave them with a spare server loaded with ESO. Surely that server could then be used for an open-world PvP server

Ummm... you are aware of the severs are merged, it will be because running and maintaining two megaservers, is not viable. I doubt you would see more PVP players on there than EU players as a whole.

Shaun98ca2

ok so open world pvp in TESO.

HOW does this happen faction vs faction? HOW are you going to the other factions just use a way shrine? Now you in a new faction is it veteran like its supposed to be or its standard level as if you WERE in that faction??

Are VR12s fighting level 10s???? Whats to stop a VR12 from fighting a level 10?

Whats to be done about way shrine camping???? Can fights be fought in towns??

What happens when only a 100 people join this open world?

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

I don't have ANY idea what people think they are going to get out of "open world pvp".

Being a confirmed non-PVPer I don't either.

Some who played WOW at launch wax lyrical about Tarren Mills and how hundreds(!) of players engaged in massive PVP wars over the Alliance town in that zone.

I've never seen that kind of thing, I guess I can probably understand the enjoyment someone which thinks PVP is a fun activity would get.

All I've ever seen in WOW, Rift and the like where flagged PVP exists is ganking of lowbies by bored level-capped players or infamous "Crossroads" raids in WOW where a pack of Alliance level 60s slaughtered all the Horde NPCs in the Crossroads (a level 10-20 quest hub) to prevent Horde lowbies leveling.

On PVP servers it was even worse.

I started out on an NA WOW PVP server and left once I reached Contested zones, I re-rolled on a PVE server and have only played on PVE servers ever since, but I've been far from immune to PVP jerks.

This is why I'm implacably against open-world PVP and won't ever subscribe again to a game that has it, many PVPers aren't adults and behave as such, they consider griefing (aka. cyber bullying) to be fun.

Caduryn

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

im just asking for our own server, the only people going to that server are those who wish to participate in open world pvp in all the zones.

Why you want a empty Server?
Just think before you write, in EVERY MMO EVERY PvP only Server is nearly empty.

Gilvoth

it's just a request.
same thing when i thought eso would have morrowind, when i discovered morrowind was not in eso i requested it be there as is fitting to the elderscolls series, in addition to many many other things that belong to morrowind are not in eso, so i simply made a request. it was not insulting nor breaking any rules.

Shaun98ca2

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

it's just a request.
same thing when i thought eso would have morrowind, when i discovered morrowind was not in eso i requested it be there as is fitting to the elderscolls series, in addition to many many other things that belong to morrowind are not in eso, so i simply made a request. it was not insulting nor breaking any rules.

I say just use Cyrodiil. While open world sounds good, this game wasn't designed with open world in mind and wouldn't work even slightly.

Cyrodiil is by far the best PVP experience anybody wanting pvp is going to find other than those wanting arena/battlegrounds.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

With diminishing populations this is the silliest idea ever. And to what end? So you can beat up level 3s? Man up and get into Cyrodiil.

JungleBoot

Umm .... No. You just want to camp and harass lower level players. That is essentially what it would become; even if it doesn't apply to you. This isn't DCUO and they really don't have to cater to everyone.

Gilvoth

maybe thats why all the campaigns are near empty and only 2 of them have full and locked.
look, i do apreciate your comments, (not really cause most of them are a bit insulting and just not true to facts) but the real reason i made this thread was just a request for something that isnt asking alot. if you dont like this type of thing then simply dont join in and simply dont go to that server. you loose nothing and nothing was forced on you.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

maybe thats why all the campaigns are near empty and only 2 of them have full and locked.
look, i do apreciate your comments, (not really cause most of them are a bit insulting and just not true to facts) but the real reason i made this thread was just a request for something that isnt asking alot. if you dont like this type of thing then simply dont join in and simply dont go to that server. you loose nothing and nothing was forced on you.

It IS asking a lot. Too much.

Aeradon

If only all the campaigns are full, this wish might be granted.

Dusty5

PVP is locked away for a reason. To keep greifers on a tight leash. Not every game ever released has to have world pvp. If you have to have the ability to trash the game for someone else go elsewhere. Its not needed or wanted
here.

JungleBoot

You have to look at the current state of things and see where the majority of players are. I have been in the Cyrodill area twice. I think. It's large and has controllable "ports" and only one Wayshrine. Yes, you could pay the bus fare in gold to get out fast. But, that one Wayshrine doesn't sit well with me -- not to mention getting my butt handed to me within a second -- even when with a group. I like a challenge. But, I'm not gonna slam my head up against a wall forever and go, "Wow, this is great." So, I don't do it, yet. At this late date If I were to enter a PVP zone as a fresh VR1, I'd still get ***. That would turn me off instantly. Because in games with PVP zones, there is always the group that loves to camp and harass.