Respec cost needs to be changed !!

methjester

Just face facts.

Bugs, Bots, broken class skills and this is almost the two month mark.

This game is broken and patch 1.1 is nowhere in sight. Things like high respecs are part of why people are leaving in droves.

People who actually like the stupid high costs will have the game to themselves soon enough.

czar

Phantorang wrote: »

While gold dupers always will have certain advantages in a game, there should be systems to limit them.

idk would it be better if it was free of charge but you could only do it once every x days?

Cogo

I fail so see the reason among thinking that respect is something you should get for free or almost free. I've seen suggestions like paying for repair your armor amount.

Common! The game LETS you respec, and you whine about it?
Both in marketing of the game, warnings in the game (if anyone bothered to read the newbie area tips) or even the in game awesome help section is states how important it is to THINK before you spend your skill points.

Be glad there IS a way to respec at all! Ever even thought about that?

Also the cost of the respec is a bit low, becuse most players, unless they are level 20, used every single "make the game easier" addon, like finding skyshards exactly where they are, most players can respec if they wish so.

HOWEVER, this is another wonderful option ESO gives you. YOU get to choose your skills, use them and if you didn't bother to even read what it does, then your skill raises, so when you respect, you don't end up on lvl 1 on all your skills, you pick them again and you get the skill level that you had.

What is WRONG with you people? YOU picked the skill, no one else. And you pick ANY skill, in ANY tree no matter what class you are (not class specific of course). And now you whine about the solution to your problem if you choose the wrong skills...."it costs to much".

Be glad it's possible.

methjester

Cogo wrote: »

I fail so see the reason among thinking that respect is something you should get for free or almost free. I've seen suggestions like paying for repair your armor amount.

Common! The game LETS you respec, and you whine about it?
Both in marketing of the game, warnings in the game (if anyone bothered to read the newbie area tips) or even the in game awesome help section is states how important it is to THINK before you spend your skill points.

Be glad there IS a way to respec at all! Ever even thought about that?

Also the cost of the respec is a bit low, becuse most players, unless they are level 20, used every single "make the game easier" addon, like finding skyshards exactly where they are, most players can respec if they wish so.

HOWEVER, this is another wonderful option ESO gives you. YOU get to choose your skills, use them and if you didn't bother to even read what it does, then your skill raises, so when you respect, you don't end up on lvl 1 on all your skills, you pick them again and you get the skill level that you had.

What is WRONG with you people? YOU picked the skill, no one else. And you pick ANY skill, in ANY tree no matter what class you are (not class specific of course). And now you whine about the solution to your problem if you choose the wrong skills...."it costs to much".

Be glad it's possible.

Every game lets you respec. Every game doesn't charge you a ridiculous amount to do so. This one happens to do just that.

Changing one morph shouldn't cost 20-30k. Especially when you find out said morph is broken, or is useless in PVP.

PBpsy

Cogo wrote: »

I fail so see the reason among thinking that respect is something you should get for free or almost free. I've seen suggestions like paying for repair your armor amount.

Common! The game LETS you respec, and you whine about it?
Both in marketing of the game, warnings in the game (if anyone bothered to read the newbie area tips) or even the in game awesome help section is states how important it is to THINK before you spend your skill points.

Be glad there IS a way to respec at all! Ever even thought about that?

Also the cost of the respec is a bit low, becuse most players, unless they are level 20, used every single "make the game easier" addon, like finding skyshards exactly where they are, most players can respec if they wish so.

HOWEVER, this is another wonderful option ESO gives you. YOU get to choose your skills, use them and if you didn't bother to even read what it does, then your skill raises, so when you respect, you don't end up on lvl 1 on all your skills, you pick them again and you get the skill level that you had.

What is WRONG with you people? YOU picked the skill, no one else. And you pick ANY skill, in ANY tree no matter what class you are (not class specific of course). And now you whine about the solution to your problem if you choose the wrong skills...."it costs to much".

Be glad it's possible.

Yes I have thought about that for a second . The answer is simple I wouldn't have bought the game or even considered subing in a game that doesn't offer such a standard feature. Most people that think the current system sucks would have done the same.

Also It is very funny that you think that everybody here is an idiot that didn't bother to read the damn skill description. Everybody looks at the skill description but it generally does not matter. In some cases the morphs do not work,in some cases they are strictly a choice between PVP and PVE or in some cases the difference in between the morphs is so subtle that it would take hours and hours of playing with each morph to determine which one suits one play style better.

And no I do not want a easy mode . I would actually prefer an increase in difficulty in VR zones or some more difficult optional zones.

OmniDo

TetsuMaru wrote: »

I meant the high cost discourages people from instantly finding a "fix" to their build and are inversely incetivised to continue their chosen skill set. Sometimes resulting in good outcomes sometimes bad but all the while it prevents everyone being exactly the same. Something zeni had to avoid having 4 classes in the game. Diversity.

Invalid.
1) The point of changing a skill morph is ultimately based solely upon optimal result, not personal choice.
No non-sadistic person "chooses" to use a sub-par skill that results in constant self-grief either in the form of expensive repair costs (which cost gold, which must be obtained from farming mobs that actually drop loot, or from completing quests) or inadequate performance.
Humans will ALWAYS choose the best, and the ones who do not, doom themselves to mediocrity.
This is a fact, sir. Not an opinion, since opinions are irrelevant anyway.

2) Everyone will always be the "Same" so long as the optimal choice for the desired outcome; which is to win, period, is relegated to a specific set of circumstances.
Sure, go ahead and choose to use a resto staff as your main weapon and some soul magic along with passives from the Melee tree that you cant even use since you dont have the applied weapons.
You will only make a fool of yourself, and will die a pathetic, humorous, degrading death. If you are sadistic, please feel free to continue your own self-torture.
Diversity is impossible in a competitive environment unless it FORCES the same outcome with different approaches.
This is not the case in ESO, not yet, so your point is invalid.

Cogo wrote: »

I fail so see the reason among thinking that respect is something you should get for free or almost free.

I dont recall anyone stating it should be free, only that it should allow for individual skills or morphs to be PAID for at the current rate, or perhaps even double or triple (200-300g) as a compromise to the devs if they insist on restricting player flexibility. (which is in and of itself, a very irritating, aggravating, and counter-intuitive approach on their part if they expect to retain customers)

Both in marketing of the game, warnings in the game (if anyone bothered to read the newbie area tips) or even the in game awesome help section is states how important it is to THINK before you spend your skill points.

One cannot acquire any useful information about whats behind door number 1, or 2, or 3, if they have no experience with closed-door reality.
They must FIRST open the door to see whats there before they DECIDE to walk through it.
ESO does not provide adequate information for what lies behind each "choice", therefore the amount of "thinking" that can be put into a choice is finite.
Thus your argument is erroneous.

Be glad there IS a way to respec at all! Ever even thought about that?

If there were not, I would never have subbed, nor played. The sheer amount of time required to advance a character at present is ludicrous by any "current" (keyword there) MMO standard, and yes, World of Warcraft IS the reigning champion and standard by which all MMO success is based, whether you like or agree with it or not. I can level a character in WoW from 1-90 in 5 days, any way I want to do it, have two separate specs to choose from with the ability to change them anytime I wish, and most importantly, ENJOY the time spent doing so.
When ESO can accommodate the same degree of enjoyment, it will have far more positive results.

Also the cost of the respec is a bit low, becuse most players, unless they are level 20, used every single "make the game easier" addon, like finding skyshards exactly where they are, most players can respec if they wish so.

False.
The higher the number of skillpoints, the greater the expense for refunding them. If you were satisfied with the ones you had but wanted to change just ONE morph, you're shafted with anywhere from 10,000-30,000g, and then must reallocate all the abilities you never wanted to change anyway.

Grampa_Smurf

The only change I would like to see is you get a free respect as a reward for hitting certain levels say one at lvl 25 then 50 then VR5 and last one at VR10. If you need to respect apart from that you pay even more then what you pay now. Also the free respect can't be add to the next free one.

As some has stated before, the higher level you are the less you need to respect because of the amount of skill points you have, but as you level you might just change your mind and decide that dps is not for you. With your free respect at level 25 you can start to level your player as a healer-tank.

As new players come into the game most (including me ) had no idea what this game was like as I have been a WoW player for 8 years, and no matter what players say you will keep trying to play the same way as you are use to. It does take some tuning into that you need to change you entire way of playing. And as I did I just placed point all over the place and realized at around lvl 25 I needed to change my points to suit the way I am playing at that stage. And at level 25 there was not enough points available to me so the only thing left was to pay for a full change even though I only needed to change around half my points( which sent me broke ).

Seroczynski

I have replied in this thread earlier on, and I have to say that I am amazed at the length this thread (and some of it's posts!) at this moment.

How is it possible that people are able to complain about such a simple system that seems to be pretty straight-forward. If you want to change one morph: respec. If you don't want to go through the hassle of distribute your other 299 skillpoints; don't respect.

Every single player seems to have the need to demand this game is altered in such a manner that he or she is personally pleased.

beravinprb19_ESO

I dislike that you need to pay 30k gold just to change a morph or two. That, and it seems silly to ask so much when players might just want to get rid of a few useless skills. Oh, and lets not forget that quests (and the gold they provide) are in rather short supply...

Depechenova

Part of me wants it to stay as it is.
1 its stops the cookie cutter pvp play, slash respect to pve cookie cutter.
and forces you to decide what u want from the game.
2.money isn't so bad to get
3. U cant have everthing in the skill lines and crafting, make up ya mind

But part of that doesn't
1.Certain skills are perfect for certain situations. and if u don't have em , well your in trouble
2. Ppl who haven't played the game before and don't know whats what, Maybe at least 1 free total respecc maybe once a month.

METALPUNKS

I started another thread asking how much gold people are currently holding and the average is around 20,000 for someone who has been playing since day one. They should have right around 200 skill points at this point, which would cost the 20,000 gold to respec. It does not make sense for a person to have to spend every single piece of gold they have earned for a respec.

Here is my argument. Anyone who is playing this game knows there are clearly pve morphs and pvp morphs. I'm not spending anymore than 10,000 gold to change a few morphs. Keep the cost the same if that's what needs to be done but either let us respec morphs alone or let us spend the extra point and take both morphs.

methjester

METALPUNKS wrote: »

I started another thread asking how much gold people are currently holding and the average is around 20,000 for someone who has been playing since day one. They should have right around 200 skill points at this point, which would cost the 20,000 gold to respec. It does not make sense for a person to have to spend every single piece of gold they have earned for a respec.

Here is my argument. Anyone who is playing this game knows there are clearly pve morphs and pvp morphs. I'm not spending anymore than 10,000 gold to change a few morphs. Keep the cost the same if that's what needs to be done but either let us respec morphs alone or let us spend the extra point and take both morphs.

The cost is stupid. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either trolling or hasn't played an MMO before. I myself have never played an MMO that forces you to pay 30k to swap out one point (morph).

It's a bad design and yet another bad decision on Zeni's part. A lot of little things like this are the reason people are leaving this game.

A lot of small problems add up to one big stinking mess. I would say it will come back to bite them, but it already has. They will NEVER get the first month's sub losses back.

Carnage2K4

I expect to respec at about level 35, by that time I have decided what abilities I want for my build. it's about $$7-8K by then, and thats not too bad, I'd be annoyed if people could just respec when ever they choose to as it cost so little. I have no issue with the current price...

rusila22

I agree it's really too expensive.

Shillen

Please refund everyone's skillpoints and then remove the ability to respec entirely. I would far rather see that than making it cheap and easy to respec.

zombie2kornout

Trivially common respecs may be standard in MMORPGs today, but that does not really mean that they ought to be trivially common. Respecs used to be very rare or impossible in old school games not because it was unthinkable or impossible to implement them, but because the character was about choice. If you jacked up your spec, you could just level another character when you realized it. However, everything was not always about what was "optimal." Sometimes you played a certain way because it was amusing or novel. For instance, in Dark Age of Camelot I rolled a number of characters of the same class just to mess with the skill progressions and to see how they worked (50 parry Warrior, anyone?). The game at that time was not only about min/max at max level only--it was about playing the game in a more general way. If your spec worked, that was cool. It is unfortunate that this genre has drifted toward the views of folks who think they need to hit max level with the most optimal skills in five days, but apparently they have more financial pull than those of my opinion.

Daethz

Agreed, People want to experiment with different builds, the exorbant cost in ESO makes that not even nearly worth it.

Either way I would love to see a "Save Spec" option that remembers your old spec, allows you to give it a name, maybe save a few different builds and revert to that instead of just starting fresh.

rusila22

Daethz wrote: »

Either way I would love to see a "Save Spec" option that remembers your old spec, allows you to give it a name, maybe save a few different builds and revert to that instead of just starting fresh.

Like in RIFT.

i agree with you daethez

Sakiri

Id like more options. For varying prices. Fewer points refunded at once, the higher the cost per point.

That said, with current repair costs, farming gold is a pain in the arse after the quest rewards dies off.

Arsenic_Touch

Don't know if it's already been said but the current price is fine. However, the current system is not. There should be a way to reset morphs and reset specific skill lines + a broad reset that refunds your skill points completely.

Would also like dual specs.

Sallakat

Why would you need to respec all the time?? You got LOADS and I mean really craptons of points available to you. Only thing I could understand is respeccing atributes if you change your playstyle completely.

Also where do you spend your money if you don't have over 10k gold at least on later levels?

I only respecced once at VR3 to morph some of my major healing skills a bit differently after getting a better overview on what I wanted. Paid about 14k gold, have no problem with that personally.

This just feels like one of those threads "GIMME EVERYTHING FOR FREE DAMNIT".

Shaun98ca2

Being able change your morph whenever you like at a cheap cost ..... takes meaning away from the choice itself.

Your Morph choice is supposed to be as profound as the class you choose to play as itself. The Morph choice itself in this game is supposed to be as hard the "moral" choices we make in the quests....a lasting effect you have to live with.

But people DO make mistakes....I know I did....My Templar ability Solar Flare was a 2 second ranged cast that was my opener.....I choose a option that I thought made it faster and hit more enemys.

As it turns out I miss read or interpreted and instead of being ranged it became area around my character.......choice I was stuck with. Lucky for me it was BETA test so I learned to make the choice way more carefully.

The steep cost is to allow you change incase you make a mistake...IE My Solar Flare morph I didn't properly read the changes or simply put you found out 2 hander looked good on paper but you don't like using it. So you can fix a mistake but that's all its really meant to be.

Your choice is supposed to matter only way to do that is NOT allow respecting at all or give it a steep but affordable price, so you can respect but NOT often.

Respect make a choice and then live up to it don't worry about min/maxing this game isn't about that.

Razzak

It's definitely too expensive for someone who wants to change 2, 3 skills. Maybe if they made the respec cost dependent on the number of skills you intend to change.

Grao

As someone that has respeced about 10 times for many different reasons (bugs with abilities - I am a werewolf; abilities failing to reach my expectation; changes in play style, etc) I have to disagree with you OP.

I am not saying the gold cost isn't exorbitant, it really is. I just think that it should cost that much... I tend to judge mechanics like this for how they affect the realism of the game... If you have two paths to follow when learning a skill, you can't easily turn around just because you didn't like where your chosen path lead you. I think the high gold cost of resetting your skills serves both to that punitive realism and also as a gold sink in the game ( all MMOs have gold sinks, it is normal, it is necessary. ESO as a new game doesn't have 500 rare mounts and pets you can buy with your gold, it is a game in its infancy... Later on, I am sure it will develop new and maybe better gold sinks, but for now, I think this is good as it is.)

Shaun98ca2

Razzak wrote: »

It's definitely too expensive for someone who wants to change 2, 3 skills. Maybe if they made the respec cost dependent on the number of skills you intend to change.

Again allowing that takes away from allow the choices themselves to be meaningful......what your asking for is.......well lets put it this way once the ability levels up you might as well be allowed to just choose from the 2 "morph" choices which one you want on your hotbar.

Phantorang

Things change, the mechanics change, playstyles change, skill descriptions change, skills gets fixed, all those are reasons why respeccing should be cheaper and/or put another limit to it, not just a ton of gold alone, which makes it possible for some to change build as many times they want.

Let us respec morphs at least, 1 at a time, a limited numer of times, with increased costs every time.

Razzak

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

It's definitely too expensive for someone who wants to change 2, 3 skills. Maybe if they made the respec cost dependent on the number of skills you intend to change.

Again allowing that takes away from allow the choices themselves to be meaningful......what your asking for is.......well lets put it this way once the ability levels up you might as well be allowed to just choose from the 2 "morph" choices which one you want on your hotbar.

Which choices are the important ones? Or more important?
Right now, we are basically punished for making the wrong choice while leveling. While we didn't know how the choice we are making will impact our gaming. Do we really have to level one char to max to see how certain skills or their morphs work and than make an alt just so we could not make the same mistakes?
I am not proposing making respec free, but it needs to change as it's really ridiculous with such prices. Currently it only works for those that have a very good knowledge and understanding of their class and skills.

LadyDestiny

I have to say yes on this one, and in fact with all the class problems right now, which I might add are not the subscribers fault, it should be free plain and simple at least till classes are fixed, then make it a reasonable and affordable amount. People having to respec just to take down a particular boss etc.......that is just uncalled for. I don't feel I should have to fork out a ton of money to kill a boss and then have to be stuck with those skills because I cannot afford to respec back to make my class to viable for the rest of pve content. This is just plain stupid and think that the gold sink is just way too extreme. I have never been so broke in a game as I have in this one. Another thing is to lower repair bills, decrease the gear decay or allow grouping for certain bosses so the not so awsomeness of casual players don't die repeatedly and kicked in the you know whats when they get the repair bill. This is unrealistic to say the least.

Shaun98ca2

Razzak wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

It's definitely too expensive for someone who wants to change 2, 3 skills. Maybe if they made the respec cost dependent on the number of skills you intend to change.

Again allowing that takes away from allow the choices themselves to be meaningful......what your asking for is.......well lets put it this way once the ability levels up you might as well be allowed to just choose from the 2 "morph" choices which one you want on your hotbar.

Which choices are the important ones? Or more important?
Right now, we are basically punished for making the wrong choice while leveling. While we didn't know how the choice we are making will impact our gaming. Do we really have to level one char to max to see how certain skills or their morphs work and than make an alt just so we could not make the same mistakes?
I am not proposing making respec free, but it needs to change as it's really ridiculous with such prices. Currently it only works for those that have a very good knowledge and understanding of their class and skills.

I don't understand how you don't know how your choice impacts your game there is a description of the ability and exactly what is added all you have to do is read it.

I know exactly how my morph choice is going to impact my gameplay easily.

Shaun98ca2

LadyDestiny wrote: »

I have to say yes on this one, and in fact with all the class problems right now, which I might add are not the subscribers fault, it should be free plain and simple at least till classes are fixed, then make it a reasonable and affordable amount. People having to respec just to take down a particular boss etc.......that is just uncalled for. I don't feel I should have to fork out a ton of money to kill a boss and then have to be stuck with those skills because I cannot afford to respec back to make my class to viable for the rest of pve content. This is just plain stupid and think that the gold sink is just way too extreme. I have never been so broke in a game as I have in this one. Another thing is to lower repair bills, decrease the gear decay or allow grouping for certain bosses so the not so awsomeness of casual players don't die repeatedly and kicked in the you know whats when they get the repair bill. This is unrealistic to say the least.

Having to respect just to beat a boss in the game(probably a forced solo boss since your not just simply bring help instead) is an entirely different matter altogether. Being "required" to respect to be a boss is unacceptable period regardless of the cost.