Respec cost needs to be changed !!

Selstad

I wouldn't mind changing my morphs now and then, I've made some off choices on the morphs and would like to change them, though, I haven't done due to the cost. Having to pay over 17 000 to have a couple of morph changed is to me quite ridiculous.

They've done the respec very simple, yet also very ineffective. They need to add an interface that's more robust and allows you to choose a bit what to change per skill line instead of having to change the entire skill tree. This way you don't have to respec everything you have - including the professions - just to change a couple of bad choices.

class101

I agree

Or at least there is a lack of way for winning Gold without getting experience, I'm fine farming the 17500 Gold I need for a complete respec, but why to be forced to gain experience

Some people want to exp slowly without being forced to exp to win gold

KariTR

All conveniences in this game are (relatively) expensive and I applaud Zen for designing it that way.

There is significant encouragement to gain the additional skill points rather than pay a fee to have them reset. Just as one look in an NPC store encourages us to fight for our gear or make it ourselves.

Unlike some, I am not opposed to paying for respecs per se. I have changed my career in real life, I don't have an issue if characters are allowed to do the same at a cost, but cheap or, gods forbid, free respecs have a couple of severe cons to even ask for them to be considered.

- FOTM builds, that ruin PvP balance
- Confining dungeon party places only to those willing to change career paths on someone else's whim. Ruining PvE content.

As for those who enjoy the min/max game, you'll just have to struggle on. The game wasn't built around that play-style typically and it is uber selfish to expect it to cater to a niche when there are downsides for the majority.

miw80

First respect should be free after that respeck cost rise everytime you respeck like 5gold/point, 10g, 20g, 30g, 50g, 75g then max 100gold/point(if you dont respeck for 1-2 week it drop 1 "tier") and there should be option to unlearn just morphed skills and just 1 skill tree @time like 1h+shield with same style of rising cost/respeck.

Yakidafi

No need to change in my opinion:

When you get a choice, ponder on it for a while what will be the best skill morph for your play style and character.
Not looking at the skill text and picture and say look cool let us pick that one.

Keep some players from blowing wherever the wind of currently 'best' skill set up is.

Will give you a goal to reach in collecting gold

Keeps gold out of the game.

hamon

KariTR wrote: »

All conveniences in this game are (relatively) expensive and I applaud Zen for designing it that way.

There is significant encouragement to gain the additional skill points rather than pay a fee to have them reset. Just as one look in an NPC store encourages us to fight for our gear or make it ourselves.

Unlike some, I am not opposed to paying for respecs per se. I have changed my career in real life, I don't have an issue if characters are allowed to do the same at a cost, but cheap or, gods forbid, free respecs have a couple of severe cons to even ask for them to be considered.

- FOTM builds, that ruin PvP balance
- Confining dungeon party places only to those willing to change career paths on someone else's whim. Ruining PvE content.

As for those who enjoy the min/max game, you'll just have to struggle on. The game wasn't built around that play-style typically and it is uber selfish to expect it to cater to a niche when there are downsides for the majority.

except your reasoning is flawed. min/maxers will pay any cost to get that min max build. thats in their nature so making it unreasonably expensive to deter them does nothing but burden the masses. bear in mind you might find you spent points in a passive that is utterly broken or a morph that doesnt do what it is supposed to.. so with that in mind you think its fair to have to pay 25k gold to move that skill point?

nobody is asking for free re-specs.. but i think there has to be a cap on how much they cost.. IMO a 10k cap is surely somewhere reasonable. to stop folk doing it every day . but not punish folk severely for wanting to tweak their toon.

Seroczynski

I haven't read the OP, but I assume the costs has to be changed to be more expensive right? Because right now the respec cost is pretty low. 100g per skill, I can respect as often as I want. Respecced four times now, and I have over 200 skillpoints on my VR8 char.

Yakidafi

@hamon‌
Then let them pay.

I believe more variation in builds is better and make it more fun to play rather then all respecing toward the same.

Also if one skill is bugged at the moment why not wait a week for them to fix it, rather then respec to another then back again when it is fixed.

Read about what the skills do before you choose them.

KariTR

hamon wrote: »

KariTR wrote: »

All conveniences in this game are (relatively) expensive and I applaud Zen for designing it that way.

There is significant encouragement to gain the additional skill points rather than pay a fee to have them reset. Just as one look in an NPC store encourages us to fight for our gear or make it ourselves.

Unlike some, I am not opposed to paying for respecs per se. I have changed my career in real life, I don't have an issue if characters are allowed to do the same at a cost, but cheap or, gods forbid, free respecs have a couple of severe cons to even ask for them to be considered.

- FOTM builds, that ruin PvP balance
- Confining dungeon party places only to those willing to change career paths on someone else's whim. Ruining PvE content.

As for those who enjoy the min/max game, you'll just have to struggle on. The game wasn't built around that play-style typically and it is uber selfish to expect it to cater to a niche when there are downsides for the majority.

except your reasoning is flawed. min/maxers will pay any cost to get that min max build. thats in their nature so making it unreasonably expensive to deter them does nothing but burden the masses. bear in mind you might find you spent points in a passive that is utterly broken or a morph that doesnt do what it is supposed to.. so with that in mind you think its fair to have to pay 25k gold to move that skill point?

nobody is asking for free re-specs.. but i think there has to be a cap on how much they cost.. IMO a 10k cap is surely somewhere reasonable. to stop folk doing it every day . but not punish folk severely for wanting to tweak their toon.

My addendum to min/maxers was exactly that, nothing more.

If someone wants to tweak their character, they have the resources to do so in game without having to resort to a pay-for-respec. Playing the game is what we should be doing right now, not looking for convenient ways of circumnavigating game content.

Thankfully Zenimax have recognised this by making costs high. Not so prohibitively high, one cannot respec, but high enough it isn't being used negatively.

Cogo

You should be glad there IS a system to respect at all. For you who followed the develoment forums from last year, the ability to even be able to respec was in question.

I would be happy if you could not respec, cause that would really mean YOU are in control and the reason for your choices. But I have to understand that way to many people dont see the game as I do...so fine. A respec system that really isnt that much money.

Sure, its alot if you spend your money on whatever. But its possible and if you dont have gold enough when you want to respec, you can always gather gold for this purpose. THAT gives you another thing todo.....for those who complain there are so few things other then grinding to do.

Try the merchant game!

Cogo

class101 wrote: »

I agree

Or at least there is a lack of way for winning Gold without getting experience, I'm fine farming the 17500 Gold I need for a complete respec, but why to be forced to gain experience

Some people want to exp slowly without being forced to exp to win gold

Yeah, a button to put exp off would be nice.

Cogo

Selstad wrote: »

I wouldn't mind changing my morphs now and then, I've made some off choices on the morphs and would like to change them, though, I haven't done due to the cost. Having to pay over 17 000 to have a couple of morph changed is to me quite ridiculous.

They've done the respec very simple, yet also very ineffective. They need to add an interface that's more robust and allows you to choose a bit what to change per skill line instead of having to change the entire skill tree. This way you don't have to respec everything you have - including the professions - just to change a couple of bad choices.

Only 17.000 gold. Anyone above level 30 can get that in a few days to a week.
What are you whining about. If you wish to respec, you can do so. And the only thing you need to do, is paying a quite fair fee for it.

I hope they raise the price so people think more carefully where they put their skillpoints, but fair enough.

Instead of complaining, be happy that you CAN respec.....

Striken7

I disagree with the idea of lowering the cost as well. All of the gold sinks currently in the game are optional, which is why each one needs to have some "oomph" behind it. This is why I also disagree with threads asking to lower repair costs.

But to this particular issue, there is such an over-abundance of skill points in the game, the re-spec feature is barely more than a time saver. Yes, you need to be careful when you pick your morphs, but most are just slight deviations from the base skill.

I've leveled up my 3 class lines, 3 weapon lines, and 2 armor lines to 50, plus a fourth weapon line at 40. I've picked a handful of skills and passives in each, skipping ones I know I won't want or use. I've maxed 3 crafting professions, picked up the Intimidate and Persuade passives, and spent several points in Soul Magic. My racial passives are all maxed. I have 22 unspent skill points, with 16 more to come from my remaining PvE skyshards alone.

If I chose to re-spec for the first time, it would currently cost about 1/10th my total gold. I do not find this overly excessive. Just be patient, earn more skill points, and spend those where you want. Leave the spent ones alone; consider it future proofing, in case your current favorite skill gets nerfed, or those other unused ones get buffed. Re-spec infrequently, and only if you have multiple morphs you really want to change.

Blade_07

I agree, this is seriously bad sink hole. Right out from Oblivion its self.

Vannor

Just hit VR1 , haven't needed to respec yet and I've sunk a load of points into crafting. What the hell is everyone else doing?

nerevarine1138

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

Just hit VR1 , haven't needed to respec yet and I've sunk a load of points into crafting. What the hell is everyone else doing?

Apparently trying to play the game like it's WoW.

Vannor

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

Just hit VR1 , haven't needed to respec yet and I've sunk a load of points into crafting. What the hell is everyone else doing?

Apparently trying to play the game like it's WoW.

Well the whining in the forums is definitely like WQoW

Svann

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Azarul wrote: »

I think its fine. Personally I wish there were no re-specs.

This. There are too many skill points for a re-spec to ever be necessary unless you've made a significant choice about abandoning an entire weapon/crafting line.

The amount of total points is irrelevant when you consider morphs, especially considering that the tooltip doesnt always tell the whole truth so you very often dont know what you are choosing until AFTER you make the choice.

PBpsy

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

Just hit VR1 , haven't needed to respec yet and I've sunk a load of points into crafting. What the hell is everyone else doing?

Apparently trying to play the game like it's WoW.

Or maybe they never played WOW and want the flexibility found in previous TES games without having to deal with stupid gold sinks. Yeah that couldn't be it,

METALPUNKS

adamrussell52_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Azarul wrote: »

I think its fine. Personally I wish there were no re-specs.

This. There are too many skill points for a re-spec to ever be necessary unless you've made a significant choice about abandoning an entire weapon/crafting line.

The amount of total points is irrelevant when you consider morphs, especially considering that the tooltip doesnt always tell the whole truth so you very often dont know what you are choosing until AFTER you make the choice.

I agree. This is so true and why most of us respec in the first place. Some of the morphs sound amazing and end up either not working or don't work as stated. So as it is now you make one wrong choice with a morph you pay thousands of gold. Many would say its just one skill point out what could be a few hundred you have so sho cares. I don't know about you but that one wasted skill point would drive me nuts, that's not even considering the fact you may want the other morph.

Bottom line is the game needs a more detailed respec menu, oh wait nevermind, it has no detail even now. Normally no biggie but not cool with a game that is being sold on the fact it has an amazing skill system. At the least keep respec costs the same but let us respec individual skill trees, so at most with all skills and passives you'd pay 2,000 gold. As of now when you respec it's only because you want to change maybe at most 20% of the skill points.

Elvent

PBpsy wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

Just hit VR1 , haven't needed to respec yet and I've sunk a load of points into crafting. What the hell is everyone else doing?

Apparently trying to play the game like it's WoW.

Or maybe they never played WOW and want the flexibility found in previous TES games without having to deal with stupid gold sinks. Yeah that couldn't be it,

Pretty much this, it's pathetic whenever somebody wants something fixed/changed/added trolls will bring up something about "WoW' when they themselves always have WoW on their minds so that's the reason why they keep bringing it up but I guess they think it makes them look cool by insulting people by saying people want the game like WoW.

The ignore feature on the forums can't come soon enough, I wish we had it now.

khele23eb17_ESO

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

Just hit VR1 , haven't needed to respec yet and I've sunk a load of points into crafting. What the hell is everyone else doing?

Finding out how many broken skills Zenimax is able to fit into a single class.

eliisra

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

Just hit VR1 , haven't needed to respec yet and I've sunk a load of points into crafting. What the hell is everyone else doing?

Finding out how many broken skills Zenimax is able to fit into a single class.

Ha, yeah that's another (sad) reason. So many morphs aren't working according to the skill description. It's a bit like gambling, every time you pick morph. There is always a 50% risk that click will cost you 10-20k.

I made 3 re-spec's so far. Every time only to change 1-2 morphs, that didn't work with my current build or just didn't work at all.

So tired of morons assuming this is about skill points. How can any one even make that *** conclusion? It lacks any form of common sense. There are 300+ skill points to get in the game, plenty to fill everything you need including fluff like extra servings of food. So why would anyone willingly re-set them all for the joy of putting them back in lol.

Sometimes wonder if these people (the ones who thinks you don't need a re-spec ever) haven't figured out how to morph yet

nerevarine1138

PBpsy wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

Just hit VR1 , haven't needed to respec yet and I've sunk a load of points into crafting. What the hell is everyone else doing?

Apparently trying to play the game like it's WoW.

Or maybe they never played WOW and want the flexibility found in previous TES games without having to deal with stupid gold sinks. Yeah that couldn't be it,

Actually, in previous Elder Scrolls titles, you couldn't just pay gold to switch your builds around. In fact, prior to the Dragonborn DLC, a "respec" feature never existed in the Elder Scrolls series.

Nox_Aeterna

The worst part is how people dont understand how this affects the game.

These costs (respec , armor repair , bank/bag upgrades ...) are all in the main course of the game. It is not some legendary weapon people may want , it is not some crazy item that you dont need , but hey , it would be cool to have so you spend money.

Nops , these are normal MMO features , most players are going to try to use and get them.

Im a vet7 players , i have 130 bank slots / 100 bag slots on my main and more spent on alts , but not that much.

I almost never (really almost never ) repair gear and i never did even a single respec ( even with skills i curently dont use just because of a bad morph ).

Even if i focused my money mostly on bank slots and bag slots , im FAR from having it completed.

And yet , people wonder why there are tons of gold sellers and bots in this game , it is because the standard features that everyone is used to in other MMOs , are behind giant gold walls and if im vet7 and im still far from it , i can understand more casual players prefering to buy gold to use these things.

Gold sellers will always exist , with or without these gold costs , but by adding them on standard settings , zen is creating a huge demand.

nerevarine1138

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

The worst part is how people dont understand how this affects the game.

These costs (respec , armor repair , bank/bag upgrades ...) are all in the main course of the game. It is not some legendary weapon people may want , it is not some crazy item that you dont need , but hey , it would be cool to have so you spend money.

Nops , these are normal MMO features , most players are going to try to use and get them.

Im a vet7 players , i have 130 bank slots / 100 bag slots on my main and more spent on alts , but not that much.

I almost never (really almost never ) repair gear and i never did even a single respec ( even with skills i curently dont use just because of a bad morph ).

Even if i focused my money mostly on bank slots and bag slots , im FAR from having it completed.

And yet , people wonder why there are tons of gold sellers and bots in this game , it is because the standard features that everyone is used to in other MMOs , are behind giant gold walls and if im vet7 and im still far from it , i can understand more casual players prefering to buy gold to use these things.

Gold sellers will always exist , with or without these gold costs , but by adding them on standard settings , zen is creating a huge demand.

Zenimax is not at fault for players being lazy.

I'm a "casual" (much as I loathe that elitist term). I am not, however, a cheater. They are mutually exclusive conditions.

Sarenia

I don't feel respecs should be cheap and easily attainable. I like how it is now.

I do think we should be able to 'undo' our last point allocation within 30 seconds of choosing it. Have accidentally selected the wrong morph before (cat bumped my mouse while clicking) and had to spend thousands to correct the misclick.

Avidus

Respec's should be bloody expensive..
It makes you truly think and commit to using your skill points instead of throwing them away.
Also the amount of skill points obtainable renders a need to respec redundant aside from wanting to switch morphs.

People who think they should get to respec at next to no cost are just plain silly.
In TES universe, there are consequences for your actions, this game is no different.

Now I hear a lot of people complaining that once they got to VR content they just keep dying, and had to respec to survive..
wth are those people doing? Not sure.
I am VR2, I have maxed skill points in all professions but enchanting.
And I am a resto staff user, I also have no secondary weapon.

And its easy, I can even compete in PvP against VR10s and can out heal their damage output.

Csub

Sarenia wrote: »

I don't feel respecs should be cheap and easily attainable. I like how it is now.

I do think we should be able to 'undo' our last point allocation within 30 seconds of choosing it. Have accidentally selected the wrong morph before (cat bumped my mouse while clicking) and had to spend thousands to correct the misclick.

Blame the Khajit!

And I am vet 1 and haven't done a single respec so far. Sure, there are like 2-3 points I would put elsewhere (like the provisioning hireling that is only useful for the letters he sends and I read at the moment) buy I don't feel the need to respec. I know, the longer I prolong, the more expensive it will get but I will probably do fine without it.

I would, however, support the idea to be able to respec certain skills only instead of all or nothing.

PBpsy

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

Just hit VR1 , haven't needed to respec yet and I've sunk a load of points into crafting. What the hell is everyone else doing?

Apparently trying to play the game like it's WoW.

Or maybe they never played WOW and want the flexibility found in previous TES games without having to deal with stupid gold sinks. Yeah that couldn't be it,

Actually, in previous Elder Scrolls titles, you couldn't just pay gold to switch your builds around. In fact, prior to the Dragonborn DLC, a "respec" feature never existed in the Elder Scrolls series.

Because respecs were never required. There was no TES since Morrowind where you had to chose between two spells or two skills.If you wanted to have you just had to level up some more or find/create that spell. In this game we have almost the same system up to the point where yeah you must chose between two slightly different broken skills and you need to pay 20k for it because we need to have gold sinks.

Avidus wrote: »

People who think they should get to respec at next to no cost are just plain silly.
In TES universe, there are consequences for your actions, this game is no different.

I would prefer the consequences to be in the world and it the story not in my character sheet.For the most part the consequences in TES games were in the world. In TESO there are barely any consequences in the world and barely any consequences in the character sheet either. Just inconvenience for people who like a flexible play style. It is actually here were TESO fails in the promise of play as you like. Play as you like as long as you want to play a 3 skill spamming build and pay 20k if you want to try new things.