Will you be waiting 6 months or transferring to console?

Conquers

I am wondering what the general consensus is. yes, i think this is a good idea of ZOS, but people who want to only play console will be left in the dust in terms of progression. If only a few people take this opportunity though, then the game will not be affected much.

PBpsy

People that would play for 6 months here would already leave the console only players in the dust since they could advance at a very fast pace in comparison. Just like the beta players did here.Not really an issue,

badmojo

It would be really nice if you would actually explain what the hell you're even talking about in this thread. It seems like you're making comments about something ZOS announced, but who knows.

Conquers

well im questioning the idea of people joining a game as a lvl 1 when people are already VR12 or whatever it'll be by then. yes, thats how it is when starting any MMO, but i was very looking forward to starting ESO at launch, and being on par with other players, rather then play catch-up like i did in WoW and how i currently am playing in FFXIV RR, where as soon as im getting close to the endgame, an expansion causes it to mean nothing and again i have to play catchup. The fact that so many players were ahead of me hurt my experience both in WoW:WotLK and WoW:MoP

PBpsy

badmojo wrote: »

It would be really nice if you would actually explain what the hell you're even talking about in this thread. It seems like you're making comments about something ZOS announced, but who knows.

For people that don't know that there is also a site attached to this forum.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/05/08/eso-on-consoles--update?ref=home

Conquers

badmojo wrote: »

It would be really nice if you would actually explain what the hell you're even talking about in this thread. It seems like you're making comments about something ZOS announced, but who knows.

im talking about the $20 transfer offered to move your account to ps4/xbox1 in december

LarZen

I think it's nice of ZeniMax to let people transfer their characters. So if you have a decent PC you can already start playing if you want to.

In 6 months I would be max level and be doing "endgame" stuff. The entire prosses of leveling up and discovering everything etc would be over. And I do not want to experience that hanging over my keyboard & mouse.

I want to experience that in my sofa where I relax with the controller in my hand. Gameplay on a 65" tv and sourround sound all around me.

So I will not play the PC version and I will wait. So much fun out and on it's way for the PS4 that the waiting will not be a problem at all...

badmojo

PBpsy wrote: »

For people that don't know that there is also a site attached to this forum.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/05/08/eso-on-consoles--update?ref=home

LOL "for people that don't know"

We all know there's a main website, reading it daily is not a prerequisite for reading these forums. If someone makes a forum thread in reference to something announced on the main site, the least they could do is inform the readers as to what exactly they're talking about, so we're not sitting here trying to piece together the clues and then hunt down the relevant information ourselves.

LarZen

The info is out on all gaming sites, twitter and facebook today. If you have gaming as a interest and have not noticed the information you have to have poor sight.

badmojo

Oh gee, I'm so sorry I wasn't sitting here on twitter all day waiting for news from ZOS. I have gaming as an interest, not gaming news. Guess what I was doing?





playing eso.

LarZen

Then go back playing instead of irritating people here.

PBpsy

badmojo wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

For people that don't know that there is also a site attached to this forum.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/05/08/eso-on-consoles--update?ref=home

LOL "for people that don't know"

We all know there's a main website, reading it daily is not a prerequisite for reading these forums. If someone makes a forum thread in reference to something announced on the main site, the least they could do is inform the readers as to what exactly they're talking about, so we're not sitting here trying to piece together the clues and then hunt down the relevant information ourselves.

I was just messing around...
I am pissed since I can't play the game for another couple of hours.

Mightylink

I feel like the game will be f2p by then with the way things are going... how did Zenimax think they could kill wow with their 60 dollar game and a sub, swtor tried the exact same thing and had to go f2p to stay afloat.

badmojo

After reading the article I think they're making a pretty big mistake here. This will give a huge advantage to anyone that transfers a character over. It's even worse than if they carried over beta characters because a lot of console owners don't game on PC, so they have no option to start early.

There's also the economy that will be affected. Finding a racial motif or purple recipe won't mean nearly as much when people are bringing them all over from the PC version. The market will be instantly flooded with a crazy amount of gear, on release day.

All in all, I think the console players are going to respond negatively towards this ability. To someone who wants to compete, who wants to be the best, the first one to VR10, someone who wants to become emperor and rule Cyrodiil, they're going to feel cheated. They're going to feel like a bunch of people got a head start that they weren't offered. They will feel discriminated against simply because they don't game on PC.

METALPUNKS

I called zenimax this morning. This is what they said so things can be cleared up. They actually worked with me and were very nice.

So here's my story. I planned on playing eso console in June. I bought eso for pc just to play for a couple months and wait things out, learn the game. That said I wanted the real experience to be on console so when I first started the pc version on launch day I deleted all the preorder items and bought the palomino horse. I had no reason to get the imperial edition since I would have it on console.

Then I heard the news. Characters transfer! So I called ZOS and they confirmed that everything will transfer over. So preorder items, imperial edition etc. They said everything will transfer. So I then explained I bought the palomino horse without knowing all this and I wanted to purchase the imperial edition now. So they are going to refund the horse and I can get the imperial edition. They also sent me all the preorder items I deleted. On top of that they are looking into refunding gold I spent on backpack space on the character I was just testing this month. Basically my guild is in DC alliance for ps4 and I wanted to experience DC story on ps4 so I chosen EP for pc. Now since characters transfer I'm going to start my main in DC and I'll be getting the gold I wasted on the wrong character.

Mortelus

Agree with you @badmojo Zeni should have just given out free playtime or something. If i was a console only player, i would be annoyed knowing i am going to be joining a game where from day 1 people are max level with loads of nice gear to make lots of ridiculous money from by selling to knew players.

I really don't think Zeni have thought this through properly.

It's going to get messy...

Conquers

exactly. I wanna only play console. i can run this game on my mac, but i don't want to play a game like this on a 13" screen and subpar graphics. i would just play Realm Reborn until december, but this transfer puts a bad taste in my mouth as to being a lvl 1 on December 17th. Is it too late for them to rescind the idea from too much bad feedback?

7788b14_ESO

Basically, no matter what they did someone would be complaining about how it was done. Can't please 100% in an MMO.

Curious, how would you have handled it?

Mortelus

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

Basically, no matter what they did someone would be complaining about how it was done. Can't please 100% in an MMO.

Curious, how would you have handled it?

Not like this, you will be annoying a lot more people by giving some players, who have a decent enough pc to play this game, a huge headstart.

What if you wanted to be the first emperor on PS4 or XB1, well better go get yourself a new pc and a copy of this game, because the V12 will be dominating the first few months of PvP.

How many people would be annoyed if they just stated they would give them 60 free gaming days instead of 30?

This will be irritating to a lot more players. But what do I care, I'm a PC!

KingRebz

Ill most likely be doing the transfer to console. Great idea on behalf of Zeni.

badmojo

I would give console players the option to buy and play the PC version until the console version is released. At that point they could download it "free" and start playing on their console, with a new character.

I would even consider giving people the option to have some of their 8 characters on PC, and some on console. But, both characters sharing the same account. Obviously there would have to be separate banks, and you couldn't play both at the same time. But, you wouldn't lose your PC character progress and you wouldn't have to wait until December to get into the game and check it out. And, the biggest thing, people wouldn't have a head start.

KingRebz

Ill most likely be doing the transfer to console. Great idea on behalf of Zeni.

JosephChip

Conquers wrote: »

well im questioning the idea of people joining a game as a lvl 1 when people are already VR12 or whatever it'll be by then. yes, thats how it is when starting any MMO, but i was very looking forward to starting ESO at launch, and being on par with other players, rather then play catch-up like i did in WoW and how i currently am playing in FFXIV RR, where as soon as im getting close to the endgame, an expansion causes it to mean nothing and again i have to play catchup. The fact that so many players were ahead of me hurt my experience both in WoW:WotLK and WoW:MoP

You have to get out of that mentality. You will not play catch-up. You will enjoy your own mmo experience and not rush to level cap just because some people are there already. You will get there. In your own time. You won't miss anything because all content is at your disposal and other players' progression doesn't influence yours. There will be plenty of people with you at any given point during your run through the game. This game is young and you have all the time you want to cap your level. Hell, it barely takes a month to reach 50. It will be too fast even.

Mortelus

JosephChip wrote: »

Conquers wrote: »

well im questioning the idea of people joining a game as a lvl 1 when people are already VR12 or whatever it'll be by then. yes, thats how it is when starting any MMO, but i was very looking forward to starting ESO at launch, and being on par with other players, rather then play catch-up like i did in WoW and how i currently am playing in FFXIV RR, where as soon as im getting close to the endgame, an expansion causes it to mean nothing and again i have to play catchup. The fact that so many players were ahead of me hurt my experience both in WoW:WotLK and WoW:MoP

You have to get out of that mentality. You will not play catch-up. You will enjoy your own mmo experience and not rush to level cap just because some people are there already. You will get there. In your own time. You won't miss anything because all content is at your disposal and other players' progression doesn't influence yours. There will be plenty of people with you at any given point during your run through the game. This game is young and you have all the time you want to cap your level. Hell, it barely takes a month to reach 50. It will be too fast even.

But what about the players that would like to give themselves goals such as, being the first emperor?

badmojo

JosephChip wrote: »

other players' progression doesn't influence yours.

Except that's not at all true in an MMO. If I put in the time and find some rare loot in the first few hours after release, but another vendor(coming from PC) get to sell them cheaper, thus getting more sales, simply because he spent a year stockpiling it all.

That's just one example of how another players progress can influence yours. Sure, if you just want to play the game like a solo ESO game, and run through all the quests, it might not matter as much, but when you start getting into the social aspects of a game like this, the games population and their standing in the game has a huge impact on your game.

JosephChip

badmojo wrote: »

JosephChip wrote: »

other players' progression doesn't influence yours.

Except that's not at all true in an MMO. If I put in the time and find some rare loot in the first few hours after release, but another vendor(coming from PC) get to sell them cheaper, thus getting more sales, simply because he spent a year stockpiling it all.

That's just one example of how another players progress can influence yours. Sure, if you just want to play the game like a solo ESO game, and run through all the quests, it might not matter as much, but when you start getting into the social aspects of a game like this, the games population and their standing in the game has a huge impact on your game.

But that will hardly be a widespread phenomenon. How many people will transfer to console compared to users who will buy it first time? How many "rare" items they could possibly have and how relevant will these items be? Let's be honest, even right now, on PC, there is no item particularly rare/expensive.
What will they carry over, legendary igredients? Big deal.

Mortelus wrote: »

But what about the players that would like to give themselves goals such as, being the first emperor?

He is fubar. That's just something to accept.

Conquers

badmojo wrote: »

JosephChip wrote: »

other players' progression doesn't influence yours.

Except that's not at all true in an MMO. If I put in the time and find some rare loot in the first few hours after release, but another vendor(coming from PC) get to sell them cheaper, thus getting more sales, simply because he spent a year stockpiling it all.

That's just one example of how another players progress can influence yours. Sure, if you just want to play the game like a solo ESO game, and run through all the quests, it might not matter as much, but when you start getting into the social aspects of a game like this, the games population and their standing in the game has a huge impact on your game.

exactly. what about people who got away with the duping bug. they bring billions of the high lvl mats with them to console, boom now both pc/mac AND console have broken economies. what if Zenimax allowed your character to only switch to console with a full set of gear/2 weapons, all your skills, and a certain amount of gold. no bringing mats over or millions of gold over

Mortelus

JosephChip wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

JosephChip wrote: »

other players' progression doesn't influence yours.

Except that's not at all true in an MMO. If I put in the time and find some rare loot in the first few hours after release, but another vendor(coming from PC) get to sell them cheaper, thus getting more sales, simply because he spent a year stockpiling it all.

That's just one example of how another players progress can influence yours. Sure, if you just want to play the game like a solo ESO game, and run through all the quests, it might not matter as much, but when you start getting into the social aspects of a game like this, the games population and their standing in the game has a huge impact on your game.

But that will hardly be a widespread phenomenon. How many people will transfer to console compared to users who will buy it first time? How many "rare" items they could possibly have and how relevant will these items be? Let's be honest, even right now, on PC, there is no item particularly rare/expensive.
What will they carry over, legendary igredients? Big deal.

Mortelus wrote: »

But what about the players that would like to give themselves goals such as, being the first emperor?

He is fubar. That's just something to accept.

I have plenty of rare items already, in 6 months I will have even more. SO I could jump over to console and make an absolute killing selling all my rare mats and normal farmed mats for cheaper than other players can.

More over we have no idea how many would transfer, but even if it a small % you could still expect 1000's of players transferring at least.

JosephChip

Mortelus wrote: »

I have plenty of rare items already, in 6 months I will have even more. SO I could jump over to console and make an absolute killing selling all my rare mats and normal farmed mats for cheaper than other players can.

More over we have no idea how many would transfer, but even if it a small % you could still expect 1000's of players transferring at least.

That's exactly my point. The fact that you have loads of them already speaks clearly against their rarity. There may be gullible people who would buy those items while still being short on progression. But the majority will likely wait it out, level up and find out that "rare" items aren't rare at all.
As for the duping bug, that's beside the point.

Csub

Mortelus wrote: »

JosephChip wrote: »

Conquers wrote: »

well im questioning the idea of people joining a game as a lvl 1 when people are already VR12 or whatever it'll be by then. yes, thats how it is when starting any MMO, but i was very looking forward to starting ESO at launch, and being on par with other players, rather then play catch-up like i did in WoW and how i currently am playing in FFXIV RR, where as soon as im getting close to the endgame, an expansion causes it to mean nothing and again i have to play catchup. The fact that so many players were ahead of me hurt my experience both in WoW:WotLK and WoW:MoP

You have to get out of that mentality. You will not play catch-up. You will enjoy your own mmo experience and not rush to level cap just because some people are there already. You will get there. In your own time. You won't miss anything because all content is at your disposal and other players' progression doesn't influence yours. There will be plenty of people with you at any given point during your run through the game. This game is young and you have all the time you want to cap your level. Hell, it barely takes a month to reach 50. It will be too fast even.

But what about the players that would like to give themselves goals such as, being the first emperor?

I don't know, what about them?
There are only so many campaigns, to become the first emperor, you really have to play 24/7 and hope for good luck on your campaign. Even if we just check first emperor of your campaign and your faction, that is just 2-3 dozens of people.

If someone sets such aims, they should better prepare to failure in achieving them.

badmojo

JosephChip wrote: »

But that will hardly be a widespread phenomenon. How many people will transfer to console compared to users who will buy it first time? How many "rare" items they could possibly have and how relevant will these items be? Let's be honest, even right now, on PC, there is no item particularly rare/expensive.
What will they carry over, legendary igredients? Big deal.

Mortelus wrote: »

But what about the players that would like to give themselves goals such as, being the first emperor?

He is fubar. That's just something to accept.

You can downplay the issue all you want. That doesn't make it not exist. If there is an advantage to be had, gamers will take advantage of it. That's a proven fact.

Let me give you an example of how I would transfer over if I wanted to play on consoles. I enjoy provisioning, so I'll collect all the blue & purple recipes I can get my hands on, something that will take me the rest of this year to stockpile, because it literally takes hours and hours to find even 1 purple recipe.

Game releases and I move over my character who not only knows a bunch of rare recipes and can craft a bunch of awesome food/drinks to sell, but I even have a library of purple and blue recipes that are in very high demand by all the people just starting out. When you're hours into a games release, with products that take weeks if not months to accumulate, you're at a huge advantage.

It's not even that being at such an advantage is all that exciting either. What it is, is frustrating to those who don't have it. They feel like they can't compete, they feel like they'll always be a year behind. That "rat race" feeling I got when I started playing in early access and still feel, a month later, is what will be taken away from people who start fresh on consoles. It might not mean anything to some people, but there are others who will care.