I just want to put this out there to the community.

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO

Ryoendymon wrote: »

The game is slightly over a month old, and I am already seeing forum posts about people threatening to ragequit.....calm down.

Yes, but there is a monthly fee for this game. So people are going to analyze it to death. Understandably.

From what I've seen, three really poor decisions were made in this game. Game breaking decisions that are here to stay.

Vet levels - Imposed on people as a content cushion.

No provincial or global market - Turning chat into an auction hall.

Shoddy servers - Real-time combat isn't possible. Their servers should respond to input immediately, reacting to a steady flow of information without interruption.

Azzuria

First off, 'lore breaks' are inevitable as history is written / rewritten by the victors. Differing opinions by various authors with varied agendas will assure that all lore is consistently inconsistent. If you've ever watched the ShoddyCast lore series ( and I recommend it highly! ) they state outright that some lore texts directly contradicts other texts. It's the nature of 'history' everywhere.

Secondly, 'before Markarth was founded'? Really? It's a bloody Dwemer city and the Dwemer have been gone for centuries at this point!

Next, let the ragequitters rage and quit. Leaves more goodness for the rest of us with far less dramatically dramatic neckbeards.

ESO ain't perfect. Bugs, unbalanced and buggy classes, etc. But every time they bring down the Megaserver for maintenance I see improvements. And patch 1.1 promises not just new content but some fixes as well.

Goodness, people, some prespective, please.

AlexDougherty

Azzuria wrote: »

First off, 'lore breaks' are inevitable as history is written / rewritten by the victors. Differing opinions by various authors with varied agendas will assure that all lore is consistently inconsistent. If you've ever watched the ShoddyCast lore series ( and I recommend it highly! ) they state outright that some lore texts directly contradicts other texts. It's the nature of 'history' everywhere.

Secondly, 'before Markarth was founded'? Really? It's a bloody Dwemer city and the Dwemer have been gone for centuries at this point!

I know that lore will be rewritten, but books from the future? the book talks about the author being the thief who stole an Elder scroll from the White Tower, which was the thief guilds story from Oblivion, that's a major point of lore.

Markath the City was founded on a Dwemer ruin, true, but that city had a DIFFERENT NAME, the city as "Markath" was founded by Tiber Septimm.

Yes the lore breaks are mostly minor, but they are also fairly shoddy, and even a quick run over should have highlighted them.

ESO ain't perfect. Bugs, unbalanced and buggy classes, etc. But every time they bring down the Megaserver for maintenance I see improvements. And patch 1.1 promises not just new content but some fixes as well.

Goodness, people, some prespective, please.

The problem isn't that they improve with each patch, it's that most of these bugs have been known about throughout the beta, and basically the game shouldn't really have shipped out in it's current state. I'm not suggesting that it needed to be perfect, because no MMO is perfect at launch, just significantly less flawed.

GreySix

Will hold on a bit longer to see if the developers enable grouping in the main quest instances.

YourNameHere

I just ignore a lot of the whinging on the forums, because that is all it is. Like a five year old, stomping their foot in the grocery store and screaming cause their mother won't buy them a candy bar.

People on the forums are a TINY fraction of the playerbase. And I am certain many more people than just "you" have a problem with a quest, etc. The difference is others aren't throwing a "rage quit" over it.

Heck, I had and still have broken quests that impede my progress. But there are still things TO DO. It's not like you still can't explore, or craft, or any number of things. Of course, there are some bugs or problems that can make a game unplayable as well.

And I've learned over the years, starting in 2001 when I started playing MMOs with EQ, that things aren't done in an "I want it done now!" manner. Heck, EQ still has a bug where mobs can hit you 4 stories up in a building ... from under the ground. And that's been there since forever. They either can't fix it, or just didn't want to. Their choice.

crush83

Sidereal wrote: »

crush83 wrote: »

While what you're saying is true, it seems pertinent that Zenimax understand the severity of the situation. I think that might be the initial motivation in making statements like "you're going to lose a lot of subscribers if..."

You're right though. Every bug or issue's priority level seems to be vastly overblown by the general population the majority of the time. That just sets progress back instead of forward.

Mhmm, I understand, but I also have to believe that Zenimax already knows the severity of the situation without the need to be reminded (by players of all people)--otherwise I would not feel comfortable paying a subscription fee of any sort.

ZOS claims that they play the game too quite a bit, so you'd think they would be able to understand how frustrating certain bugs were without needing all the whining mixed in.

Blackwidow

crush83 wrote: »

ZOS claims that they play the game too quite a bit, so you'd think they would be able to understand how frustrating certain bugs were without needing all the whining mixed in.

However do you agree feedback is a good thing, right?

crush83

Blackwidow wrote: »

crush83 wrote: »

ZOS claims that they play the game too quite a bit, so you'd think they would be able to understand how frustrating certain bugs were without needing all the whining mixed in.

However do you agree feedback is a good thing, right?

I believe that feedback is good if it's left in a constructive manner. Whining and exaggerating the degree of severity of every little bug isn't constructive.

"This is really frustrating to me." should suffice.

esoone

Serious my mate is stuck for like 3 WEEKS now yes 3 weeks you say people like him have no reason to ragequit?

Sidereal

esoone wrote: »

Serious my mate is stuck for like 3 WEEKS now yes 3 weeks you say people like him have no reason to ragequit?

I was stuck on The Army of Meridia for two weeks due to the NPC being unresponsive and just as soon as it was fixed the portals in Crossing The Chasm were failing to spawn for several days. It was rough, and I did vent to my friends and family, but making some dramatic spectacle for strangers to see on a forum just seems to be too much.

Btw: No one ever needs a reason to quit--they're free to do so at any time.

AlexDougherty

crush83 wrote: »

I believe that feedback is good if it's left in a constructive manner. Whining and exaggerating the degree of severity of every little bug isn't constructive.

"This is really frustrating to me." should suffice.

Very little exaggeration on the forums in my opinion, most people say exactly how bad it is, even giving details (same for me is a detail).

Whining is a matter of opinion, if you haven't come across a bug, then you'ld probably think it's minor. If you have come across a bug, then....

esoone wrote: »

Serious my mate is stuck for like 3 WEEKS now yes 3 weeks you say people like him have no reason to ragequit?

Actually if your mate has waited three weeks, then I'ld say it's just a quit, he clearly hasn't let anger interfer, so not a ragequit.

Jankstar

deathly809_ESO wrote: »

I think if someone is having an aneurysm over lore inconsistencies they might have serious problems or need to re-evaluate their life's priorities.

TES Lore is a big selling point for some customers. I purchased the game because it explores a time frame that is not covered in other games.

If that same quality of lore is not present, it makes me less likely to buy the next one. That being said, the lore is quite enjoyable for me. We just need a lore master on the forum or in articles to address these inconsistentcies, cause sometime the spin is better than the content., Dragon break anyone?

crush83

AlexDougherty wrote: »

crush83 wrote: »

I believe that feedback is good if it's left in a constructive manner. Whining and exaggerating the degree of severity of every little bug isn't constructive.

"This is really frustrating to me." should suffice.

Very little exaggeration on the forums in my opinion, most people say exactly how bad it is, even giving details (same for me is a detail).

Whining is a matter of opinion, if you haven't come across a bug, then you'ld probably think it's minor. If you have come across a bug, then....

esoone wrote: »

Serious my mate is stuck for like 3 WEEKS now yes 3 weeks you say people like him have no reason to ragequit?

Actually if your mate has waited three weeks, then I'ld say it's just a quit, he clearly hasn't let anger interfer, so not a ragequit.

Well for example, this guy here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94961/you-re-on-your-own-with-the-bots-from-here-on-out

Is yelling at the top of his lungs about his distaste for the changes made to container loot. It's not needed. It's excessive. It's exaggerated.

I can see how the change could be aggravating as hell, but seriously. Some posters just need to calm down, and stop threatening Zenimax over everything.

AlexDougherty

crush83 wrote: »

Well for example, this guy here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94961/you-re-on-your-own-with-the-bots-from-here-on-out

Yeah, just read that one and another, they are exaggerating, and it's taken them over a week to realise it's happened (they both said the patch was 30th April).

Those are exaggerating prats, but most of the threads are full of people making thought out arguements, even when they are complaining about Vampires being rebalanced (the passives should work).

crush83

AlexDougherty wrote: »

crush83 wrote: »

Well for example, this guy here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94961/you-re-on-your-own-with-the-bots-from-here-on-out

Yeah, just read that one and another, they are exaggerating, and it's taken them over a week to realise it's happened (they both said the patch was 30th April).

Those are exaggerating prats, but most of the threads are full of people making thought out arguements, even when they are complaining about Vampires being rebalanced (the passives should work).

I agree. It's too bad a few bad apples are ruining the whole bunch right now.

Sidereal

crush83 wrote: »

Well for example, this guy here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94961/you-re-on-your-own-with-the-bots-from-here-on-out

Is yelling at the top of his lungs about his distaste for the changes made to container loot. It's not needed. It's excessive. It's exaggerated.

I can see how the change could be aggravating as hell, but seriously. Some posters just need to calm down, and stop threatening Zenimax over everything.

I will list the things that went wrong with the linked post:
1. CAPS LOCK TITLE
2. Threats detected.
3. "Stealth nerfs" portrayed as attacks, by Zenimax, on "real players"
4. No actual issue for customer service to resolve or investigate--player is upset that item farming has been curbed.

^ This kind of behavior completely outweighs the mature and effective complaints lodged by rational minded players. Also, it's a pretty redundant post--only with a malicious twist!

crush83

Sidereal wrote: »

crush83 wrote: »

Well for example, this guy here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94961/you-re-on-your-own-with-the-bots-from-here-on-out

Is yelling at the top of his lungs about his distaste for the changes made to container loot. It's not needed. It's excessive. It's exaggerated.

I can see how the change could be aggravating as hell, but seriously. Some posters just need to calm down, and stop threatening Zenimax over everything.

I will list the things that went wrong with the linked post:
1. CAPS LOCK TITLE
2. Threats detected.
3. "Stealth nerfs" portrayed as attacks, by Zenimax, on "real players"
4. No actual issue for customer service to resolve or investigate--player is upset that item farming has been curbed.

^ This kind of behavior completely outweighs the mature and effective complaints lodged by rational minded players. Also, it's a pretty redundant post--only with a malicious twist!

That's an excellent synopsis. It's the same guys third thread on the subject too.

kirnmalidus

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

First off, 'lore breaks' are inevitable as history is written / rewritten by the victors. Differing opinions by various authors with varied agendas will assure that all lore is consistently inconsistent. If you've ever watched the ShoddyCast lore series ( and I recommend it highly! ) they state outright that some lore texts directly contradicts other texts. It's the nature of 'history' everywhere.

Secondly, 'before Markarth was founded'? Really? It's a bloody Dwemer city and the Dwemer have been gone for centuries at this point!

I know that lore will be rewritten, but books from the future? the book talks about the author being the thief who stole an Elder scroll from the White Tower, which was the thief guilds story from Oblivion, that's a major point of lore.

Markath the City was founded on a Dwemer ruin, true, but that city had a DIFFERENT NAME, the city as "Markath" was founded by Tiber Septimm.

Yes the lore breaks are mostly minor, but they are also fairly shoddy, and even a quick run over should have highlighted them.

ESO ain't perfect. Bugs, unbalanced and buggy classes, etc. But every time they bring down the Megaserver for maintenance I see improvements. And patch 1.1 promises not just new content but some fixes as well.

Goodness, people, some prespective, please.

The problem isn't that they improve with each patch, it's that most of these bugs have been known about throughout the beta, and basically the game shouldn't really have shipped out in it's current state. I'm not suggesting that it needed to be perfect, because no MMO is perfect at launch, just significantly less flawed.

Markarth was not founded by Tiber Septim, a city there was controlled by the natives of the Reach until the time of Tiber Septim. (Also, where have you seen it referred to as Markath?) Learn more: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Markarth

Can you provide a reference for the book that supposedly references the theft of the Elder Scroll? I can't seem to find this book in any of the online collections of books from ESO.

Regardless, just because an Elder Scroll was stolen from the White-Gold Tower during the events of Oblivion doesn't mean that's the only time it's ever happened. And just because we've never heard of it happening before doesn't mean it didn't happen either.

The Elder Scrolls are extremely powerful in lore and there are many reasons people would want to steal one or more of them, so to believe that it never happened before Oblivion is a little shortsighted. One of the core mechanics of PvP in ESO involves stealing Elder Scrolls FFS.

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO

So far, I 've only had 1 serious bug that made nearly loose my cool... but well... I'll always be able to tell new players : "Back in my day, we had to jump buttnakid to our deaths to light the fourth brazier on the Final Assault"

AlexDougherty

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Markarth was not founded by Tiber Septim, a city there was controlled by the natives of the Reach until the time of Tiber Septim. (Also, where have you seen it referred to as Markath?) Learn more: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Markarth

Can you provide a reference for the book that supposedly references the theft of the Elder Scroll? I can't seem to find this book in any of the online collections of books from ESO.

Regardless, just because an Elder Scroll was stolen from the White-Gold Tower during the events of Oblivion doesn't mean that's the only time it's ever happened. And just because we've never heard of it happening before doesn't mean it didn't happen either.

The Elder Scrolls are extremely powerful in lore and there are many reasons people would want to steal one or more of them, so to believe that it never happened before Oblivion is a little shortsighted. One of the core mechanics of PvP in ESO involves stealing Elder Scrolls FFS.

The Markath reference was from another thread, someone mentioned it in a PVE thread, I just used it as a point for lore being broken. But I acknowledge that I forgot that the Natives had it between the Dwemer and Tiber Septim.

The book I have come across several times, it's a book about lockpicking and starts with the line "you won't know my name but I am the thief who stole a elder scroll from the White-gold Tower". Given that the theft took several years in planning, several Unique Artifacts, and the knowledge of a former Duke, it is quite credible that it was a once in all of time affair. Elder scrolls are dangerous and afforded extreme levels of protection.

Admittedly it's not impossible that it's happened before, merely extremely unlikely.

Lovely

The game has a lot of potential, I'll give it that. But as it is, it is very very frustrating. It is a game, it is supposed to be fun, yet when everything piles up (the little things, like having to relog over and over) you start getting pissed off. I still have issues with my bank (some items are invisible) and yesterday, after several relogs and client restarts (no addons) I just didn't log anymore. I just don't understand. No matter what excuses I try to find, I am still a consumer and patience has limits.

Robbiejuve

Games come out with bugs, that's understandable. The severity of those bugs is what they are being crucified for especially stuff that other game companies sorted out 10 years ago, like how to prevent people from rolling level 1 characters and spamming chat with gold spam.

I'm a fan of the game. don't get me wrong, but there is just some stuff that should never have gone live.

As for the ragers, ZOS can see clearly what the resub number is, that's what is going to do the talking, not a little kids whine post.

South_of_Heaven

Ryoendymon wrote: »

The game is slightly over a month old, and I am already seeing forum posts about people threatening to ragequit.....calm down, world of warcrap has been around 9 years and is still working some of its bugs out. play the game, have fun, and don't get over emotional about something so trivial.

Yes, bugs are going to be fixed eventually. However I haven't unsubscribed because of the bugs.

neocomab16_ESO

mark2472 wrote: »

neocomab16_ESO wrote: »

I juts leave this here. I am not the gamebreaker nor do I constantly look for ways to exploit the game. I just play ...that being said: In 9 years WoW I didnt encounter as many bugs as in 1 month of ESO.

And even by this comparism, meaning 9 years of WoW in total versus 1 month ESO, ESO doesnt look that good.

Did you, by chance, play WoW right at launch?

I did. And I played BC at launch. I played WotLK at launch and I played Cataclysm at launch and MoP. So whats your point? That I should compare WoW's launch with ESO's? Or what? I had not that many problems with vanilla WoW as I had with ESO and there are 10 years between them. Plus the fact that WoW at launch was a totally different game. Why? Because MMOs used to work differently. They were more sandboxy, not that themeparky. And WoW did its first babysteps in changing that. Still, bugs I didnt encounter as much. In fact I cannot recall any major bug that frustrated my from the vanilla times. All I know is that some questing areas were hard to quest because they lacked quests. Other than that, ...you can argue with the vanish bug, but this one hasnt been fixed ever.

Again, what's your point? Oh ...and btw. When I billed my first monthly sub with Blizz they made it work 10 years ago. According to other threads even this seems to be a problem for ZO.

Srugzal

deathly809_ESO wrote: »

I think if someone is having an aneurysm over lore inconsistencies they might have serious problems or need to re-evaluate their life's priorities.

Better would be for you to address the question rather than attack the questioner with exaggerated sarcasm. As it happens, ESO's lore mistakes are not a minor problem for many people who play this lore-intensive game.

I think that you are making the point that lore is a minor consideration for you, and that these inconsistencies don't bother you. Alternatively, you might show that the lore isn't inconsistent at all, using your lore knowledge to refute the assertion.

It's rude to question someone's life priorities simply because they disagree with you.

crush83

Srugzal wrote: »

deathly809_ESO wrote: »

I think if someone is having an aneurysm over lore inconsistencies they might have serious problems or need to re-evaluate their life's priorities.

Better would be for you to address the question rather than attack the questioner with exaggerated sarcasm. As it happens, ESO's lore mistakes are not a minor problem for many people who play this lore-intensive game.

I think that you are making the point that lore is a minor consideration for you, and that these inconsistencies don't bother you. Alternatively, you might show that the lore isn't inconsistent at all, using your lore knowledge to refute the assertion.

It's rude to question someone's life priorities simply because they disagree with you.

Couldn't agree more. Well said. Many players play this game simply for the lore aspect alone.

dietlime

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Um, some of those bugs are serious.

Personally I'm giving them a while longer, but the plain fact is the game has bugs, broken features, serious lag at times, hacks and features that should be there but aren't (auction house/trade kiosk).

And there are also some serious breaks in the Lore too, books written after Oblivion, References to cities that haven't been founded yet (Markath for example), and many others

The best games I play don't have any global trade system, so much so that Blizzard recently removed one of theirs. Global trade systems ruin games.

mark2472

neocomab16_ESO wrote: »

mark2472 wrote: »

neocomab16_ESO wrote: »

I juts leave this here. I am not the gamebreaker nor do I constantly look for ways to exploit the game. I just play ...that being said: In 9 years WoW I didnt encounter as many bugs as in 1 month of ESO.

And even by this comparism, meaning 9 years of WoW in total versus 1 month ESO, ESO doesnt look that good.

Did you, by chance, play WoW right at launch?

I did. And I played BC at launch. I played WotLK at launch and I played Cataclysm at launch and MoP. So whats your point? That I should compare WoW's launch with ESO's? Or what? I had not that many problems with vanilla WoW as I had with ESO and there are 10 years between them. Plus the fact that WoW at launch was a totally different game. Why? Because MMOs used to work differently. They were more sandboxy, not that themeparky. And WoW did its first babysteps in changing that. Still, bugs I didnt encounter as much. In fact I cannot recall any major bug that frustrated my from the vanilla times. All I know is that some questing areas were hard to quest because they lacked quests. Other than that, ...you can argue with the vanish bug, but this one hasnt been fixed ever.

Again, what's your point? Oh ...and btw. When I billed my first monthly sub with Blizz they made it work 10 years ago. According to other threads even this seems to be a problem for ZO.

I was just asking a question because I was curious. I wasn't trying to prove "my point" or anything, I just wanted to know if you had played WoW at launch. I didn't play WoW at launch, and I really haven't played much WoW at all because it doesn't really appeal to me, so I can't make that comparison. I have heard of many people stating that WoW was really buggy at launch, but again I can't speak from experience. So, I simply wanted to know if you had played WoW at launch.

I have played other games at launch, though, such as Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, and Vanguard. I thought all of those were super buggy, and ESO seemed like a fairly good launch in comparison. I had a lot of hope for all three of those games and all of them were a huge disappointment. I've been looking for great new MMO to come along since back in the day when I played DAoC and Asheron's Call. Nothing will compare to my experiences in those games, I don't believe. But, I think ESO has potential if they can pull it together.

Edit: Oh, and I didn't have to say anything about comparing ESO's launch to WoW's, you already made that comparison.

Hexos

Agreed OP

I played WoW at release and it wasn't half as good as ESO is at its release. ESO has more potential than WoW. So everyone calm down and give Zenimax time to fine tune this potential masterpiece.

crush83

Hexos wrote: »

ESO has more potential than WoW.

I keep hearing this, but no one seems to be able to define this potential. Care to give it a go? I'm looking for a reason to give this game another chance.