I just want to put this out there to the community.

Ryoendymon

The game is slightly over a month old, and I am already seeing forum posts about people threatening to ragequit.....calm down, world of warcrap has been around 9 years and is still working some of its bugs out. play the game, have fun, and don't get over emotional about something so trivial.

AlexDougherty

Um, some of those bugs are serious.

Personally I'm giving them a while longer, but the plain fact is the game has bugs, broken features, serious lag at times, hacks and features that should be there but aren't (auction house/trade kiosk).

And there are also some serious breaks in the Lore too, books written after Oblivion, References to cities that haven't been founded yet (Markath for example), and many others

deathly809_ESO

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Um, some of those bugs are serious.

Personally I'm giving them a while longer, but the plain fact is the game has bugs, broken features, serious lag at times, hacks and features that should be there but aren't (auction house/trade kiosk).

And there are also some serious breaks in the Lore too, books written after Oblivion, References to cities that haven't been founded yet (Markath for example), and many others

I think if someone is having an aneurysm over lore inconsistencies they might have serious problems or need to re-evaluate their life's priorities.

Hearts

Youre talking like WoW has had the same bugs for a decade when its infact new content, new expansions, new mechanics and new everything that creates new bugs.

Blackwidow

Ryoendymon wrote: »

The game is slightly over a month old, and I am already seeing forum posts about people threatening to ragequit.....calm down, world of warcrap has been around 9 years and is still working some of its bugs out. play the game, have fun, and don't get over emotional about something so trivial.

Fair point.

At the same time it would be nice not to get attacked if a player posts a problem they would like to get fixed.

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO

Blackwidow wrote: »

Ryoendymon wrote: »

The game is slightly over a month old, and I am already seeing forum posts about people threatening to ragequit.....calm down, world of warcrap has been around 9 years and is still working some of its bugs out. play the game, have fun, and don't get over emotional about something so trivial.

Fair point.

At the same time it would be nice not to get attacked if a player posts a problem they would like to get fixed.

It's how you post the problem, every problem, starts off with a personal experience rant. Nobody cares on the internet. If you just took the personal emotion and sob story out, you'd end up with a forum of real issues and real solutions.

AlexDougherty

deathly809_ESO wrote: »

I think if someone is having an aneurysm over lore inconsistencies they might have serious problems or need to re-evaluate their life's priorities.

True, just including it to show range of flaws.

deathly809_ESO

Hearts wrote: »

Youre talking like WoW has had the same bugs for a decade when its infact new content, new expansions, new mechanics and new everything that creates new bugs.

Or makes old bugs finally appear. I don't really think it does any good to try to compare ESO to WoW. I think there should be a cap on how far back your comparisons should go. I think comparing to FFXIV would be a good comparison. I played in it's beta and bought the game. It was super ***. I mean like they copied whole areas to other places, no auction house even in guilds, and the game was not even that much fun really.

As a closing remark I would like to say that I have a huge feeling WoW is a huge code-base that has been re-designed over and over again to make it more robust. Also the developers who work on it have over a decade of working on that system and know it very well.

Zenimax just launched ESO.

Blackwidow

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

It's how you post the problem, every problem, starts off with a personal experience rant problem.

Fixed it.

See, it's your attitude that makes it from a valid complaint into a rant.

Nobody cares on the internet.

You don't care. I do.

If you just took the personal emotion and sob story out, you'd end up with a forum of real issues and real solutions.

Calling issues QQ is just you being rude.

True story.

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO

You'd find that you wouldn't get "attacked" if you left your personal opinion and emotions out of a bug or issue.

I've read the majority of bugs...and they follow this line:

"oh my god, I can't play game, this is totally unacceptable, I'm so smart I've told you about this bug, why isn't this fixed, I demand fix, omg why isn't fixed"

Instead of:

"This is the bug, its reported under ticket#, please review"

Nope, always there has to be a rant of how critical or important your individual bug problem is. Heck I'm guilty of it too, I had a major bug personally hinder my game play, and I learned. You know what fixed it in the end, not a personal rant. Just me being consistent with my bug submission/tickets, being professional, and not with the contant rants/qq about a bug/issue.

Illusionx

Ryoendymon wrote: »

The game is slightly over a month old, and I am already seeing forum posts about people threatening to ragequit.....calm down, world of warcrap has been around 9 years and is still working some of its bugs out. play the game, have fun, and don't get over emotional about something so trivial.

I agree Wow has bugs as well but if I submit a ticket to Blizzard I get an actual response IN GAME with an actual resolution not a copy and pasted response.

TL;DR Most complaints have more to do with the horrible customer service.

Ryoendymon

its not the complaints that I am posting this about, its the "I am cancelling my subscription!!!" posts on a game where I dont think anyone has paid for a month yet....

Illusionx

Ryoendymon wrote: »

its not the complaints that I am posting this about, its the "I am cancelling my subscription!!!" posts on a game where I dont think anyone has paid for a month yet....

No one got anything "free" the price for a "free" month was bundled into the retail cost of the game. Nothing is free.

This first month was basically a paid beta.

yodased

TL:DR Awesome game is awesome

Hearts

deathly809_ESO wrote: »

Hearts wrote: »

Youre talking like WoW has had the same bugs for a decade when its infact new content, new expansions, new mechanics and new everything that creates new bugs.

Or makes old bugs finally appear. I don't really think it does any good to try to compare ESO to WoW. I think there should be a cap on how far back your comparisons should go. I think comparing to FFXIV would be a good comparison. I played in it's beta and bought the game. It was super ***. I mean like they copied whole areas to other places, no auction house even in guilds, and the game was not even that much fun really.

As a closing remark I would like to say that I have a huge feeling WoW is a huge code-base that has been re-designed over and over again to make it more robust. Also the developers who work on it have over a decade of working on that system and know it very well.

Zenimax just launched ESO.

I agree with you, I was just targeting his faulty logic with WoW :P

Arthur_Spoonfondle

No-one cares about the rage-quitters.

Every game has it's share of nerks posting along the lines of, there's too many bugs, I'm quitting, or, Fix this, nerf that, or I'm quitting. Most of them carry-on playing anyway and the best thing to do with such people, is just ignore them. Most of them are just posting crap anyway, hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.

crush83

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

No-one cares about the rage-quitters.

Every game has it's share of nerks posting along the lines of, there's too many bugs, I'm quitting, or, Fix this, nerf that, or I'm quitting. Most of them carry-on playing anyway and the best thing to do with such people, is just ignore them. Most of them are just posting crap anyway, hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.

I've seen at least a couple players who were literally unable to play for 2 weeks because of being physically stuck in the game. It took them 2 weeks and forum posts just to get Customer Service to acknowledge their tickets. They'd documented proof of submitting 5-6 tickets each.

While most of the rage-quitting is overblown, there are some legitimate cases of players getting stuck in unplayable states. Unable to play a game for which they are paying.

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO

crush83 wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

No-one cares about the rage-quitters.

Every game has it's share of nerks posting along the lines of, there's too many bugs, I'm quitting, or, Fix this, nerf that, or I'm quitting. Most of them carry-on playing anyway and the best thing to do with such people, is just ignore them. Most of them are just posting crap anyway, hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.

I've seen at least a couple players who were literally unable to play for 2 weeks because of being physically stuck in the game. It took them 2 weeks and forum posts just to get Customer Service to acknowledge their tickets. They'd documented proof of submitting 5-6 tickets each.

While most of the rage-quitting is overblown, there are some legitimate cases of players getting stuck in unplayable states. Unable to play a game for which they are paying.

I was one such player, they fixed and compensated me, I would have continued playing, and I will continue to play until I no longer have fun in game. I expect imperfection in games. That's just the way games are, nothing is flawless and sometimes you just have to "deal" with it a bit more then the next person.

mark2472

Illusionx wrote: »

Ryoendymon wrote: »

The game is slightly over a month old, and I am already seeing forum posts about people threatening to ragequit.....calm down, world of warcrap has been around 9 years and is still working some of its bugs out. play the game, have fun, and don't get over emotional about something so trivial.

I agree Wow has bugs as well but if I submit a ticket to Blizzard I get an actual response IN GAME with an actual resolution not a copy and pasted response.

TL;DR Most complaints have more to do with the horrible customer service.

You also probably have to remember the immense amount of tickets that ZOS is having to deal with right now. They're probably flooding in so fast it's hard to differentiate the bogus ones from the legitimate problems. That's why a lot of responses get copy/pasted. This rush of tickets will eventually pass, and I'm sure they didn't want to hire extra people just to fire them in a few months. I mean... would you like a job where you deal with all of the crap that they no doubt deal with and then get fired for no fault of your own in just a month or two? I sure wouldn't...

WoW already went through this phase when they launched... they're established, they don't have the flood of tickets that launch brings. I'd just about guarantee there's been a time in WoW's history where their CS wasn't as up to par as it is now.

Chryos

I gave you an awesome since your fighting the good fight!!

Blackwidow

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

You'd find that you wouldn't get "attacked" if you left your personal opinion and emotions out of a bug or issue

So, you defend attacking people because you don't like the style of the post.

Nice attitude. Very mature.

"I only bully you because you don't post the way I like"

epoling

Anybody who complains about inconsistent lore hasn't paid attention to the series as a whole. Every time they release a new Elder Scrolls game the first thing some people do is jump all over the breaks in lore. You might as well hate Oblivion and Skyrim for making "Imperial" a race rather than just a description applied to anybody living in the Cyrodill area as it has been earlier.

Nightscar

I would have to agree with the OP,
game is still young people will come and go.
The A$$hats of the game will eventually fade to another mmo to spew there hate.
And life in ESO will be good

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO

Blackwidow wrote: »

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

You'd find that you wouldn't get "attacked" if you left your personal opinion and emotions out of a bug or issue

So, you defend attacking people because you don't like the style of the post.

Nice attitude. Very mature.

"I only bully you because you don't post the way I like"

Bully is another term that's over used, I'm not bullying you in any shape way or form. But yeah, keep playing the victim card. That's a successful approach.

Poor me.

neocomab16_ESO

I juts leave this here. I am not the gamebreaker nor do I constantly look for ways to exploit the game. I just play ...that being said: In 9 years WoW I didnt encounter as many bugs as in 1 month of ESO.

And even by this comparism, meaning 9 years of WoW in total versus 1 month ESO, ESO doesnt look that good.

mark2472

neocomab16_ESO wrote: »

I juts leave this here. I am not the gamebreaker nor do I constantly look for ways to exploit the game. I just play ...that being said: In 9 years WoW I didnt encounter as many bugs as in 1 month of ESO.

And even by this comparism, meaning 9 years of WoW in total versus 1 month ESO, ESO doesnt look that good.

Did you, by chance, play WoW right at launch?

crush83

mark2472 wrote: »

neocomab16_ESO wrote: »

I juts leave this here. I am not the gamebreaker nor do I constantly look for ways to exploit the game. I just play ...that being said: In 9 years WoW I didnt encounter as many bugs as in 1 month of ESO.

And even by this comparism, meaning 9 years of WoW in total versus 1 month ESO, ESO doesnt look that good.

Did you, by chance, play WoW right at launch?

WoW is 9 years old, so it seems if what he's saying is true, then yes.

Blackwidow

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

Bully is another term that's over used, I'm not bullying you in any shape way or form. But yeah, keep playing the victim card. That's a successful approach.

Poor me.

I never said i was a victim.

I said you are a bully. Is it overused or do you just hear it alot?

Sidereal

Part of the issue is that when people list "complaints", they're largely couched in threats "I'm going to give it a little longer..." "Players will surely unsubscribe if we don't get chat bubbles NOW" etc. etc. What, you're holding your $14.99 hostage? Please realize how absurd and entitled this seems even to your fellow gamers. If you've got valid complaints, then skip the whole "I'm going to quit if X isn't Y" deal--it's largely irrelevant to the point you're trying to convey. "But I just want to let them know what will happen if they don't..." <--- Threat. Courtesy and respect go both ways; don't approach the devs and support as if you're some lowbrow thug.

Another thing: you know a practice I see exercised on forums quite often? Do a search, lurk more, and if your "complaint" has been posted; then reply in that thread. Don't just start a new one. We've all fallen through the map, gone through the Cyrodiil Loading Screen of Death, etc. etc. and your personal twist on it usually doesn't warrant a brand new post unless it's a previously unmentioned bug/error/exploit/glitch.

We all know you're upset--so are we. We just don't need a new post every single time every single person comes across every single broken feature, bug, or patch of lag. Keep it classy, keep it clean friends.

crush83

Sidereal wrote: »

Part of the issue is that when people list "complaints", they're largely couched in threats "I'm going to give it a little longer..." "Players will surely unsubscribe if we don't get chat bubbles NOW" etc. etc. What, you're holding your $14.99 hostage? Please realize how absurd and entitled this seems even to your fellow gamers. If you've got valid complaints, then skip the whole "I'm going to quit if X isn't Y" deal--it's largely irrelevant to the point you're trying to convey. "But I just want to let them know what will happen if they don't..." <--- Threat. Courtesy and respect go both ways; don't approach the devs and support as if you're some lowbrow thug.

Another thing: you know a practice I see exercised on forums quite often? Do a search, lurk more, and if your "complaint" has been posted; then reply in that thread. Don't just start a new one. We've all fallen through the map, gone through the Cyrodiil Loading Screen of Death, etc. etc. and your personal twist on it usually doesn't warrant a brand new post unless it's a previously unmentioned bug/error/exploit/glitch.

We all know you're upset--so are we. We just don't need a new post every single time every single person comes across every single broken feature, bug, or patch of lag. Keep it classy, keep it clean friends.

While what you're saying is true, it seems pertinent that Zenimax understand the severity of the situation. I think that might be the initial motivation in making statements like "you're going to lose a lot of subscribers if..."

You're right though. Every bug or issue's priority level seems to be vastly overblown by the general population the majority of the time. That just sets progress back instead of forward.

Sidereal

crush83 wrote: »

While what you're saying is true, it seems pertinent that Zenimax understand the severity of the situation. I think that might be the initial motivation in making statements like "you're going to lose a lot of subscribers if..."

You're right though. Every bug or issue's priority level seems to be vastly overblown by the general population the majority of the time. That just sets progress back instead of forward.

Mhmm, I understand, but I also have to believe that Zenimax already knows the severity of the situation without the need to be reminded (by players of all people)--otherwise I would not feel comfortable paying a subscription fee of any sort.