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XP gain calculation broken -Final conclusion. First post edited and contains all the relevant info
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Addon is showing the correct xp each time. I've checked this with my xp bar after each kill. I've got eberything jotted down on paper.
This removes the add-on from the equation, and we are getting closer to a possible error here.
Can we get some confirmation of this from others?
We need some more test results
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Syntse✭✭✭✭✭Litleheieb17_ESO wrote: »To confirm this we need someone to kill same mob twice.
1. With crit (1-2 hits)
2. Slow, with multippel hits (8-10 hits)
Then, the XP gain, must be checked on the ORIGINAL XP bar (not any addon)
3. With time (2-4 hits) hit monster, run around it 20sec then finish the kill.
Syntse Dominion Khajiit Dragonknight Stamina Tank [50]
Ra'Syntse Dominion Khajiit Nightblade Magica DPS [50]
Syntselle Dominion Dark Elf Dragonknight Magica DPS [50]
Syntseus Dominion Imperial Templar Healer [50]
Syntsetar Dominion High Elf Sorcerer Magica DPS [50]
Friar Tuktuk Daggerfall Brenton Templar Healer [50]
Syntseyn Ebonheart Brenton Nightblade Magica DPS [50]0 -
smosti✭✭✭KalecStromhir wrote: »I started out stealthed and did an easy kill on a mudcrab that is lv35. I'm lv 37, and one shot the first mudcrab.
damn thats full on. Whats that addon called? Looks awesome
Perhaps the area I was in is bugged. I'll conduct more tests across tamriel and see what happens.
Edited by smosti on May 6, 2014 7:28AM0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So In theory...my build is going to take twice as long to level up my character then an arse tird button mashing melee smashing tank.
Actually, no. Assuming there are enough monsters to kill continually, you will both take the same time to level up. Because you get the same experience per hour as the button smashing tank, you will level at the same speed. You will just kill more monsters than he will.
Example:
Monster has 100 hp
One attack takes one second
Your attack does 100 damage, you get 10XP for the kill
Tank's attack does 10 damage, tank gets 100XP for the kill.
You: takes 1 hit to kill one monster. You kill one every second, so in 10 seconds you will kill 10 monsters, and get 10x10=100 XP for it.
Tank: takes 10 hits to kill one monster. He kills one every 10 seconds and gets 100xp for it.
10 seconds = 100 xp for both.
Incorect. Because you're not taking into consideration that it doesn't take 0seconds to find/run to/engage the next monster...
I am not taking into consideration a lot of things. It was a very simplified lab-conditions example whose sole purpose was to explain why a tank getting twice the experience for a kill than an assassin does not automatically mean the tank will level twice as fast as the assassin.
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Hmm, we have some divergent results here...
To confirm this we need more tests on killing the same mob twice.
1. With crit (1-2 hits)
2. Slow, with multippel hits (8-10 hits)
3. With time (2-4 hits) hit monster, run around it 20sec then finish the kill.
Then, the XP gain, must be checked on the ORIGINAL XP bar (not any addon)
..my crit Nightblade is getting very nervous back home.
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smosti✭✭✭So In theory...my build is going to take twice as long to level up my character then an arse tird button mashing melee smashing tank.
Actually, no. Assuming there are enough monsters to kill continually, you will both take the same time to level up. Because you get the same experience per hour as the button smashing tank, you will level at the same speed. You will just kill more monsters than he will.
Example:
Monster has 100 hp
One attack takes one second
Your attack does 100 damage, you get 10XP for the kill
Tank's attack does 10 damage, tank gets 100XP for the kill.
You: takes 1 hit to kill one monster. You kill one every second, so in 10 seconds you will kill 10 monsters, and get 10x10=100 XP for it.
Tank: takes 10 hits to kill one monster. He kills one every 10 seconds and gets 100xp for it.
10 seconds = 100 xp for both.
Incorect. Because you're not taking into consideration that it doesn't take 0seconds to find/run to/engage the next monster...
I am not taking into consideration a lot of things. It was a very simplified lab-conditions example whose sole purpose was to explain why a tank getting twice the experience for a kill than an assassin does not automatically mean the tank will level twice as fast as the assassin.
Ummm but it does? Because if you factor in the other conditions your logic is incorrect. Where as if you factor them into mine it proves my logic correct and also puts the NB at a GREATER disadvantage.
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The addon is called T's Combat Stats
esoui.com/downloads/info283-TsCombatStats.html
Okay so i tried again with original XP bar. Did same thing, Stealth one Shot Mudcrab and this time 2nd Mudcrab I just swung my swords, no special skills.
I got 19exp for 1st kill, 20exp for 2nd.
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So In theory...my build is going to take twice as long to level up my character then an arse tird button mashing melee smashing tank.
Actually, no. Assuming there are enough monsters to kill continually, you will both take the same time to level up. Because you get the same experience per hour as the button smashing tank, you will level at the same speed. You will just kill more monsters than he will.
Example:
Monster has 100 hp
One attack takes one second
Your attack does 100 damage, you get 10XP for the kill
Tank's attack does 10 damage, tank gets 100XP for the kill.
You: takes 1 hit to kill one monster. You kill one every second, so in 10 seconds you will kill 10 monsters, and get 10x10=100 XP for it.
Tank: takes 10 hits to kill one monster. He kills one every 10 seconds and gets 100xp for it.
10 seconds = 100 xp for both.
Incorect. Because you're not taking into consideration that it doesn't take 0seconds to find/run to/engage the next monster...
I am not taking into consideration a lot of things. It was a very simplified lab-conditions example whose sole purpose was to explain why a tank getting twice the experience for a kill than an assassin does not automatically mean the tank will level twice as fast as the assassin.
Ummm but it does? Because if you factor in the other conditions your logic is incorrect. Where as if you factor them into mine it proves my logic correct and also puts the NB at a GREATER disadvantage.
My 'logic' is that there are more factors that influence how fast one levels than just how much experience one gets for a single kill. So it is not possible to claim a tank levels faster than an assassin based solely on the experience either gets from his kills.
That's the whole point of my example. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Can we please focus on establishing if there is any difference in XP, based on TTK/Hit to Kill etc.
Then we can discuss if it is good or bad, or even intended..
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KalecStromhir wrote: »Okay so i tried again with original XP bar. Did same thing, Stealth one Shot Mudcrab and this time 2nd Mudcrab I just swung my swords, no special skills.
I got 19exp for 1st kill, 20exp for 2nd.
Good, Kalec have a testresult here, and I choose to believe the 19 vs 20 is a result of rounding up/down numbers. So the result is equal XP for different Hit to kill.
Is there any other good documented test, that can prove him wrong?
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Wintermist✭✭✭I guess the reasoning is that if you kill faster, you can kill more and balance it out this way.0 -
Tried again with lv 35 Bears. First bear with Duel Wield attacks and skills.
2nd Bear with Bow skills. Both show same exp gained.
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Laura✭✭✭✭✭
✭This thread needs to be taken down people are ticking insightful and most likely think this is how it works and are now trying to get as many hits as they can on things now =/
I just tried it myself how much damage/speed/hits has nothing to do with exp gains.2 -
smosti✭✭✭KalecStromhir wrote: »Tried again with lv 35 Bears. First bear with Duel Wield attacks and skills.
2nd Bear with Bow skills. Both show same exp gained.
Lol...wtf.. Okay i need to head out but make sure you bookmark this!
I will screen shot and post my results.
4shot killed a 25mudcrab. 124xp
8+... 186xp
Switched to level 4 bow.... 224xp
Lmfao this is doing my head in.
I'll video it! Link coming soon! stay tuned!0 -
smosti✭✭✭rydberg.patrikb16_ESO wrote: »I guess the reasoning is that if you kill faster, you can kill more and balance it out this way.
You could be right with this.
However 3xp for a 2shot kill but jumps to over 100xp 4shots or more? That's a tad excessive.
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Crassius✭✭✭Finesse.Let me guess, someone stole your sweetroll...
Everything I say is just my opinion. Like it or not - that's all it is.0 -
smosti✭✭✭This thread needs to be taken down people are ticking insightful and most likely think this is how it works and are now trying to get as many hits as they can on things now =/
I just tried it myself how much damage/speed/hits has nothing to do with exp gains.
Whatever. Wait till you see my results before you acuse me of talking crap.
Maybe my character is bugged. meh.0 -
This thread needs to be taken down people are ticking insightful and most likely think this is how it works and are now trying to get as many hits as they can on things now =/
I just tried it myself how much damage/speed/hits has nothing to do with exp gains.
Well, we are just testing out some pretty important game mechanism imo.
People are experiencing different results here and it will be to the best for all players if we can establish what the reality is here.
We have not concluded in any way yet.
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Chirru✭✭✭✭Tried it out reading exp from the actual exp bar. sorry, can not confirm it. same mob re-spawn. Got the same exp with ambush from the rear as i did with normal weapon damage hitting from the front (no skills used). With a difference +/- 3 points. did this again, different NPC, same result.
however, I did not one-shot...so I do not know about this. Maybe one-shot kills are deemed too easy kills and do give less exp. someone might want to try that one out.0 -
Syntse✭✭✭✭✭rydberg.patrikb16_ESO wrote: »I guess the reasoning is that if you kill faster, you can kill more and balance it out this way.
You could be right with this.
However 3xp for a 2shot kill but jumps to over 100xp 4shots or more? That's a tad excessive.
Yes in theory they should even each other out. However in practice it would require 3x the monsters in same dungeon for person who kills faster which is not the case. So tank gaining more exp while going is going to maybe outlevel zone where crit dps might underlevel zone unless killing every mob there twice or more.
Syntse Dominion Khajiit Dragonknight Stamina Tank [50]
Ra'Syntse Dominion Khajiit Nightblade Magica DPS [50]
Syntselle Dominion Dark Elf Dragonknight Magica DPS [50]
Syntseus Dominion Imperial Templar Healer [50]
Syntsetar Dominion High Elf Sorcerer Magica DPS [50]
Friar Tuktuk Daggerfall Brenton Templar Healer [50]
Syntseyn Ebonheart Brenton Nightblade Magica DPS [50]0 -
Last test tonight. Lv 34 Trolls.
First kill I came in and help kill DW Attacks + Siphoning + Assassination
Second kill I started and someone joined in DW Attacks + Siphoning + Assassination / Bow Attacks + Shadow
Third kill is alone and only DW Attacks + Siphoning + Assassination
Forth kill alone DW Attacks + Siphoning + Assassination / Bow Attacks + Shadow
Edited by KalecStromhir on May 6, 2014 8:02AM0 -
Thank you for testing.KalecStromhir wrote: »
You now have multippel testresults that shows similar XP regardless of number of hits.
On a sidenote, the last test shows us that a shared kill gives 66.66% XP, compared to killing it alone.
Edited by Litleheieb17_ESO on May 6, 2014 8:09AM0 -
Thalmar✭✭✭I flagged this very person, OP, for making multiple discussions about how they forced him to name change, his in-game character was "btchtitz". And also in these discussions he is actually being aggressive and naming people who actually tries to help him. And this discussion sounded to me, a child who got upset about being forced to change name and trying to insult game in any way he can to get revenge till he got banned. I suggested devs an ignore forum feature to keep community clean and mature.4
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smosti✭✭✭Litleheieb17_ESO wrote: »Thank you for testing.KalecStromhir wrote: »
You now have multippel testresults that shows similar XP regardless of number of hits.
On a sidenote, the last test shows us that a shared kill gives 66.66% XP, compared to killing it alone.
Okay so to keep test results consistent, I've downloaded the same add on as KalecStromhir. I'll be back in an hour or two to post my results.
Just out of curiosity... what race do you play?
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Reykice✭✭✭✭✭If this is in any way true its stupid. I had a full comment but no need for it.... its just dumb. Will try it once the servers are up in EU but i`m really hoping its not true.0
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smosti✭✭✭I flagged this very person, OP, for making multiple discussions about how they forced him to name change, his in-game character was "btchtitz". And also in these discussions he is actually being aggressive and naming people who actually tries to help him. And this discussion sounded to me, a child who got upset about being forced to change name and trying to insult game in any way he can to get revenge till he got banned. I suggested devs an ignore forum feature to keep community clean and mature.
What the actual *** is this post? And you have been flagged for personally attacking me and giving out info of my policy violation.
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smosti✭✭✭KalecStromhir wrote: »@Litleheieb17_ESO You are welcome. I do not mind doing this.
How do I get the results to show like you are? Does it post them in my chat log or?...
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