Coldharbour bots

Thalmar

Maverick827 wrote: »

42k mounts should be veteran dungeon rewards.

What are you talking about? I don't and never liked killing a scripted boss for some better loot mentality. Why should a hardcore PvE player had an advantage over others? This idea you suggested is the biggest reason there are elitists in MMOs at first place. Everyone in the game who pays same amount of money should have access to same equality level items. Just because you like to go kill scripted bosses doesn't make you deserve the best loot or rewards.

BenjaminKacher_ESO

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, folks. Thank you for reporting the bots. We ask that when you see bots in-game you report them using the /help function to alert our Support Team. We are actively working to fight against bots in ESO every day, and reports from players like yourselves help us in this quest. Thank you!

@ZOS_TristanK‌ These bots are "thrown out" after they complete this one quest in coldharbor. Reporting them seems to be utterly useless when we don't hear about any action being taken by you against their accounts (not the bot char).

Midnight_Sun

100's ? Bots pouring out of ColdHarbuor Wayshrine by the 1,000's

LadyDestiny

This one thinks bots should be made into cat food and fed to the opposing alliance Emperor. This one would dance and drink skooma and eat moon sugar cookies on that day

dragnar12

Midnight_Sun wrote: »

100's ? Bots pouring out of ColdHarbuor Wayshrine by the 1,000's

@ least they pay zennimax

i am so pissed i bought a time card for this pice of crap game

Sakiri

Maverick827 wrote: »

ViciousMink wrote: »

I'm actually dubious that anyone is actually buying any significant amounts of gold.

I mean, aside from a mount, there's nothing that needs huge amounts of gold in this game. I've deconstructed or researched almost everything I loot, and I still have a decent amount of gold. I can see wanting some of the blue and gold crafting mats, and the Daedric or Ancient crafting motifs, but...

Well, 'anecdote' is not the plural of 'data' so this is just my experience. But I believe the goldsellers are trying to bank against a market that just isn't there, and a combination of game client architecture and the megaserver setup makes it easy for them to farm ESO so they're farming as much as they even though it's useless.

However, it is dramatically affecting the new player experience in a negative way. So again I will ask: To what extent are we willing to risk being hit with whatever hammer ZOS would drop? Considering how much complaining there was when they mass-banned the dungeon bots, do you think that ZOS might be a little gunshy of doing that again?

Repairs and respecs are ridiculously expensive.

42k mounts should be veteran dungeon rewards.
Crafters should be able to repair their own gear.
Respecs should start out cheap, increase in price the more you do it, and reset/decrease in price over time.
Motifs should be found via research/deconstructing.

No.
Yes.
Yes.
I was under the impression this is what the original idea was.

Nitratas

Reports won't help, GM standing there and banning bots won't help. Change something FAST. Increasing level cap to enter coldharbour would help for now. After that bots WOULD migrate somewhere else you can count on that.

KerinKor

Corew wrote: »

I have no idea how they get there, they are obviously using the wayshrine though

Probably abusing the crass "Travel to Player" feature that allows you to teleport to zones you've never been to and at level 2 probably could never reach.

KerinKor

Dodece wrote: »

No Alchemist is going to pay them for the materials. Well let me rephrase it. Nobody is going to pay them a mint for common plants. Uncommon ones. Well that may be a different story.

People have admitted ON HERE buying Jute from sellers they knew full well are RMT. RMT don't charge a 'mint' for raw mats, they sell just above vendor prices.

The lack of an AH is a boon to RMT, buying is hugely more a PITA without one so more people are going to buy from them because it's easier and cheaper than having to deal with the crass guild-based economy.

Cogo

I dont get some people.

Zenimax responded quite fast in this thread, letting us know they working on it. Great! They did a good job with the bots in the early area.

Why are some people still complaining when they confirmed that they are working on it AND Zenimax have proven that they consider bots and other game interfearing things a priority. Even over bugs! (Choose, Bots or bugs. I rather get rid of bots first)

Let Zenimax work on the problem and stop screaming like children. Give them some damn time! Don't anyone of you work? A boss gives you an assignment thats quite tricky, then come back 5 minutes later and ask why you are not done? Common!

Have some patience and report ALL bot/farming, even stupid players who buys from them. Zenimax have made it VERY easy to report, and they have stated several times that the problem with the bots in the start, was highly solved by all the reports they got in (Zenimax staff said that here, not me)

NOT reporting a bot simply allows them to be there longer. Report every single one you see. I can't see any reason why we would complain about the bots (bots needs to go away!) and NOT help Zenimax identify them, ban accounts and take other actions that we do not know about.

@KerinKor

There are so many reasons why this game should not have an auction house, but to keep to this subject, making a global auction house......how much would that help goldfarmers/sellers to aquire more gold, more fast and from experience in WoW, they drop prices on anything, just to get gold fast to sell to MORONS who buys gold on their sites.

Cogo

Thalmar wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

42k mounts should be veteran dungeon rewards.

What are you talking about? I don't and never liked killing a scripted boss for some better loot mentality. Why should a hardcore PvE player had an advantage over others? This idea you suggested is the biggest reason there are elitists in MMOs at first place. Everyone in the game who pays same amount of money should have access to same equality level items. Just because you like to go kill scripted bosses doesn't make you deserve the best loot or rewards.

Off topic but this was so wrong I need to correct you.

ESO is about you. You choose pretty much everything. No other MMO have this few restrictions.

ESO is a game where you can do what you want. Getting highest level and doing the hardest raid bosses is just one out of what, 20 main things you can do? You don't even have to level up much to have a full game experience. There is things to do at ALL levels.

BUT, just because you pay for the game does NOT mean you get everything like everyone else. ESO is about the possibility for everyone to do everything, but you have to work to put the food on the table.

And hell, there already are Anchors, which really need to be a harder even cause 4 people can do it in a matter of minutes.

You pay for a game in order to be able to play it. Not to get delivered the best loot in the game by in-game mail every day (There are hirelings for that ;-) )

Also, if you don't like fighting, nor raiding, that's fine! The tradeskill system in ESO makes it possible to create gear on par with raid boss loot.

Or are you paying the game to get the tradeskill for free too?

steveb16_ESO46

Cogo wrote: »

I dont get some people.

Zenimax responded quite fast in this thread, letting us know they working on it. Great! They did a good job with the bots in the early area.

They say a lot of things, like the repeated claims to fix bugs that end up not being fixed.

They've already taken action on botting and things just got worse. People are basically holding their feet to the fire and saying - do better!

We're also keeping up a stream of suggestions.

Hilgara

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, folks. Thank you for reporting the bots. We ask that when you see bots in-game you report them using the /help function to alert our Support Team. We are actively working to fight against bots in ESO every day, and reports from players like yourselves help us in this quest. Thank you!

It doesn't bloody work. Just like everything else in this game

GreySix

Crafters not being able to repair their own kit without some expensive repair kit does seem a bit absurd.

muhgo

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, folks. Thank you for reporting the bots. We ask that when you see bots in-game you report them using the /help function to alert our Support Team. We are actively working to fight against bots in ESO every day, and reports from players like yourselves help us in this quest. Thank you!

Honestly, I've given up on reporting bots, because a single report needs about 30-40 seconds - I want to play the game and not report 20 bots every 2 minutes.

There isn't even a checkbox for "I want to report a bot".

Also, imagine there would be a frickin OPTION (yes, an OPTIONAL option because of "hurr durr wanna immersion" guys) for NAMEPLATES: as you can only see 1 nickname at a time, you can only report one at a time. The time you send a report, the other 100 bots are out of sight.
Sending an actual Screenshot to Customer Support would then include alle the random bot-nicknames and it would be a lot easier to let the banhammer fall.

Shillen

I agree muhgo. With the severity of the issue at hand they should have a very easy and reliable way to report these people. I should literally put my cursor over them and type /report and then click a confirmation box. That should be it.

ub17_ESO

Unfortunately the problem is still rampant. Luckily I lvl'd my main char fast enough that I was ignorant to the problem. After starting an alt and playing in stonefall I saw how ugly it is. I easily spotted 20-30 bots. It is hard to say exactly as you all know they are stacked on each other and all look the same. Then i entered a public dungeon and met the vampire bots. They move fast...the dungeon was overrun with bots. I reported as many as i could but that absolutely detracted from my gaming experience and also my character's experience because I type slow.

I have to imagine there is some way people are generating fraudulent games keys otherwise it couldn't be cost effective to make soo many accounts.

Anyway, ZOS please keep working this issue and personally I would much rather have added login PITA to keep the bots out.

Gillysan

Kililin wrote: »

naming and shaming is violating the rules set by ZOS.
Please report the suspect accounts ingame, of course the actions taken will not be discussed.

After all these botsthe suspect Accounts have the same rights as you have.

Oh shut up

Swampster

Vodkaphile wrote: »

You dont think they're actively looking for bots? My God, is everyone really this inept?

You are noticing it more in ESO as a quirk of the megaserver. WoW probably has 10 times the amount of bots, it's just a more spread out issue. The visibility of them in ESO is what is giving ZoS a bad rep, however, the bad rep comes from people who dont understand the botting industry in the slightest.

Loving the irony...lol

I've seen some apologisitc stuff in my time but this pretty much takes the biscuit.. stop making excuses for them, especially when your excuses are really quite flimsy!

Why does being on a megaserver make any difference to the number of bots we see?

You're going to tell me because in WOW (or whatever other game) they're all spread about on a number of different servers or realms, while we only ever see the one server or realm at any one time so we only see a small portion of the bots that are actually out there. But they're all on the one server here in ESO so it stands to reason we'll see more, as we can see them all at once right?

Wrong! Because of the phased nature of the megaserver it makes no difference.. you only see the people (and bots) that are in your phase! Or if I try that in 'simpletoneese', imagine a phase as being similar to a WOW server or realm.. but on a smaller scale, and with a front door that will dump you into any one and you might grasp the concept.

The reason you're seeing many more bots in this game is because there are more.. simple as that. It's proven to be riduclously easy for the bot writers to hack the game code to create their little automatons, just visiting various websites that specialise in this area can tell you this.

Besides there are quite a few other games out there that use a megaserver type architecture and they don't have such an obviously rampant problem and never have had. Granted there will have always been some hacks, cheats and the occasional bot.. but I've NEVER witnessed anything on this scale!

Singular

muhgo wrote: »

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, folks. Thank you for reporting the bots. We ask that when you see bots in-game you report them using the /help function to alert our Support Team. We are actively working to fight against bots in ESO every day, and reports from players like yourselves help us in this quest. Thank you!

Honestly, I've given up on reporting bots, because a single report needs about 30-40 seconds - I want to play the game and not report 20 bots every 2 minutes.

There isn't even a checkbox for "I want to report a bot".

Also, imagine there would be a frickin OPTION (yes, an OPTIONAL option because of "hurr durr wanna immersion" guys) for NAMEPLATES: as you can only see 1 nickname at a time, you can only report one at a time. The time you send a report, the other 100 bots are out of sight.
Sending an actual Screenshot to Customer Support would then include alle the random bot-nicknames and it would be a lot easier to let the banhammer fall.

Let's be honest. On the wheel of interaction, we need a "player is bot" category. Not just a "send group request," "send friend request," "report player," trade and so on, but also "player is a bot."

It's really that bad. I'd guess about 1/9th of the PCs I run into are bots. That's quite a lot of parasites!

Reevster

The fix is easy, just make a new server for legit players and leave the old server up as bot only... N/A Bot server... The new server will have dna/finger print/retinal scans that match your Credit Card info which is the only way to access the new server...

Singular

ub17_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately the problem is still rampant. Luckily I lvl'd my main char fast enough that I was ignorant to the problem. After starting an alt and playing in stonefall I saw how ugly it is. I easily spotted 20-30 bots. It is hard to say exactly as you all know they are stacked on each other and all look the same. Then i entered a public dungeon and met the vampire bots. They move fast...the dungeon was overrun with bots. I reported as many as i could but that absolutely detracted from my gaming experience and also my character's experience because I type slow.

I have to imagine there is some way people are generating fraudulent games keys otherwise it couldn't be cost effective to make soo many accounts.

Anyway, ZOS please keep working this issue and personally I would much rather have added login PITA to keep the bots out.

Sorry...vampire bots??? Huh?

Xnemesis

Real simple solution put a CD timer on the delete character function so they cant keep popping out characters at wayshrines to complete non combat quests. This would atleast stop that form of botting and create a very minimal footprint to legit players. It is a much better solution then removing quest rewards.

Reykice

I reported a bot like 2 days ago when i made my alt... i remember his name as it wasn`t a ofehwgweg name but a sort of player like name(they are adapting i see) and the first one i saw.

Right now i saw the same bot(with friends) in a higher level area....

Why did you ask us to report them if it takes this long to ban them?

maxilaub17_ESO

Corew wrote: »

I just got to the Hollow city today and damn, I've not seen anything like it outside of wow (the BOTanica). They are like lemmings, going from the wayshrine and over the bridge.. hundreds of them, all level 3.

They are all over the place every freaking day in Coldharbour and 2 days after I report them I still see those players botting resources there. Why are the GM's not banning those players? A lot of them are high level VR players using botting programs and I think Zenimax talks a good game but doesn't want to lose the sub fees.

The worst botting I've seen is where a resource is being harvested with no one there. I can't count how many times I go to harvest a plant the game says "someone is already using that" and there is no one there, then the plant disappear's and I become bugged and can't mount my horse till I find another resource to harvest.

GreySix

The bots that stick out are easy for us to spot, but the botters are adapting:

Copied this from a botter forum:

well ESOMinion isnt detected so you must of got player reported, I've currently leveled 15 characters to 50 and i have 5 accounts farming and no bans yet. This bot is by far the best on the market even in its beta stage.

Agreed. There's nothing that compares to Minion out there. While all the other bots are running around being the talk of zone chat in ESO, Minion looks just about human. Such an amazing project.