Vampire/WW Bite Sellers

Pele

I've seen bites selling for 10k-20k. Are they legit? Is there any guarantee that the seller will actually deliver? Are there any safeguards in place to protect buyers from scammers? Are there reputable vampire and werewolf guilds that sell bites or induct new members?

Just curious.

Alurria

Live by the old saying buyer beware.

Sarenia

I wouldn't pay to let a walking corpse suck on my neck and give me a disease, but that's just me. Certainly wouldn't trust them. :P

oldkye

First off three things.

A. you can get it free in the only zone they "can" bite you any other zone is likely a scam so if you can "get" bitten you can get it for free if your willing to ride around at nightfall.

C. The bite does not "give" the Vampire or Werewolf skill trees you must do a level 40 quest that you must kill level 40 monsters(for the vampire quest 10 of them and for werewolf a elite one as a wolf) the bite only "lets" you do the quest which goes away in 6 days well they can be done at low levels(seen as low as 10 on vampire and 18 on werewolf) make sure you can handle it before you are bitten most of all werewolf as you can not kite as a werewolf due to only two attack abilities.

B. The bites were not designed to be sold as such there is no guarantee if you are absolutely unable to be in say reapers march at in game nightfall(5 times a day) or unwilling to and just have gold falling out your pockets that you can't give away the best way to go about it is the Half and Half rule.

Half up front Half after they bite you no one likes to bite without the money up front cause they risk giving away a 7 day cool(that they likely only got to sell *sigh*) without some gold but if anyone even questions or argues with the half up front half after it's a scam and stop talking to them "Immediately."

With the half up front you both take half the risk and are only able to lose half of it since the buyer has the most risk anyone who's a legit seller has no problem with the half and half idea if they try to push it they likely don't have the bite at all so if it even looks a little suspicious don't buy it.

Other things to note.

1. You can only be bitten at a shrine if not at the shrine don't give them gold.

2. Check and see if they are what they say vampires have pale skin and red eyes(be careful with dunmar vampires as they normal have dark/pale skin and red eyes) with werewolfs they need to change to bite you so have them change.

3. Screen shot the conversation and tell them you are doing so scammers will either back out or change what they are saying suspiciously to make it seem like they weren't trying to sell it.

4. And most important if it looks suspicious don't buy it everyone and their mom is a vampire right now and there are enough werewolfs someone else will have a bite don't let this one guy scam you because your worried no one else has it cut it immediately if it looks even a little sketchy.

By trying to buy a bite instead of getting it the normal way you are taking these risks and the risk of losing at least half of the gold but at least now you know what you are getting into.

pokebreaker

oldkye wrote: »

... but if anyone even questions or argues with the half up front half after it's a scam and stop talking to them Immediately...

^^^While everything else I agree with, the above excerpt I don't necessarily. I never accept Half and Half, yet I've come through with bites all three times I've done it so far. Either the buyer trusts me, or they don't and find someone else. There is always someone else willing to sell. I usually talk to the customer in a way that alleviates their cause for concern, which is where good grammar and punctuation pays off big time. I've even been able to talk a guy who was apparently ripped off earlier in the same day, into paying me my asking price up front. He had to think about it for a while, but eventually came around. Everytime I've come through. There is no way to tell whether the buyer or seller will be a scam artist, but luckily ZOS has made a statement about player scammings, and it is a punishable offense.

Reference:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys! Just wanted to give you all a quick update on this. We still have a close eye on the situation, and we will be taking action on anyone who is violating our Terms of Service by charging real money or scamming other players.

Which was pulled from this main thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/74574/psa-stop-the-werewolf-vampire-grieifing-want-to-be-a-were-vamp-think-again/p1

Another way to tell if their bite is on Cooldown, is to get an Addon that displays player Buffs. Look for a buff that says "Bit an Ally". If you see that buff on the player, that means that their bite is on cooldown, and they cannot bite you at that time. If that buff is not present, but you do see they have Vampirism or Lycanthropy, I don't think there is a way to tell if they are Skilled into the passive that lets them bite.

nerevarine1138

Guys, you can create all kinds of ridiculous rules, or you can get the agreement in chat. Simply have them confirm that they are exchanging a bite for [x] gold. If they renege on the agreement after receiving any payment (or after being bitten), report them for scamming.

oldkye

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Guys, you can create all kinds of ridiculous rules, or you can get the agreement in chat. Simply have them confirm that they are exchanging a bite for [x] gold. If they renege on the agreement after receiving any payment (or after being bitten), report them for scamming.

From most of the people I've talked to 90% of the time nothing happened as Zenimax said it was hard to prove, 9% of the time it was the first time and the player was warned but no gold was returned, 1% of the time they did something cause they had several reports of that player.

You have to think of this from Zenimax's side yes your a paying customer and are upset but they have to reprimand or ban "Another paying customer" so they want 100% proof if they banned everyone someone didn't like and reported everyone good at PvP would be banned lol.

It's hard even with a screen shot because you put gold in a trade box and confirmed it was ok to give it to that player no one made you give them gold and by confirming you knew you weren't getting anything for it is that enough to ban a player over?

I know someone will say "Obviously it is" but how would you feel if you got banned cause someone forgot to trade you gold and traded you after and screen shot it then reported? lol looks exactly the same in a screen shot, or if you said you'd sell something to someone and they never took you up on it after agreeing they don't have the items and it looks the same on a screen shot lol.

You would quit the game and never play again this is what Zenimax is dealing with so telling them you will report them is more of a deterrent then a fix and even if they refunded your gold it could take weeks that you don't have it still.

Being safe about it(or better yet getting bitten for free by a NPC) is still best.

demendred

These sellers are the old time snake oil salesmen.

Pele

Some good replies, thanks. It got me thinkIng; in addition to some things already mentioned, I suppose I could also record the transaction with Fraps.

As for simply camping the mobs in the hopes that I get infected: I would go this route, but there are those who kill the necessary mobs to prevent others from becoming vampires/werewolves.

nidriks

Some people bite for free...find a good guild, get to know people and you might get offered a bite.

It's bloody ridiculous that people think they can get away with charging 10-20k for a bite in a game.

More fool the people that pay it, I guess.

You can also anticipate Vampires possibly getting a nerf pretty soon too, if the AvA nonsense is anything to go by.

JJDrakken

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zaria

oldkye wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Guys, you can create all kinds of ridiculous rules, or you can get the agreement in chat. Simply have them confirm that they are exchanging a bite for [x] gold. If they renege on the agreement after receiving any payment (or after being bitten), report them for scamming.

From most of the people I've talked to 90% of the time nothing happened as Zenimax said it was hard to prove, 9% of the time it was the first time and the player was warned but no gold was returned, 1% of the time they did something cause they had several reports of that player.

You have to think of this from Zenimax's side yes your a paying customer and are upset but they have to reprimand or ban "Another paying customer" so they want 100% proof if they banned everyone someone didn't like and reported everyone good at PvP would be banned lol.

It's hard even with a screen shot because you put gold in a trade box and confirmed it was ok to give it to that player no one made you give them gold and by confirming you knew you weren't getting anything for it is that enough to ban a player over?

I know someone will say "Obviously it is" but how would you feel if you got banned cause someone forgot to trade you gold and traded you after and screen shot it then reported? lol looks exactly the same in a screen shot, or if you said you'd sell something to someone and they never took you up on it after agreeing they don't have the items and it looks the same on a screen shot lol.

You would quit the game and never play again this is what Zenimax is dealing with so telling them you will report them is more of a deterrent then a fix and even if they refunded your gold it could take weeks that you don't have it still.

Being safe about it(or better yet getting bitten for free by a NPC) is still best.

I think this work a lot like real life low level scamers, if they scam one or two guys its pretty safe, police tend to ignore it if its hard to prove. If you try to do it in large scale they create statistic.

7788b14_ESO

Pele wrote: »

I've seen bites selling for 10k-20k. Are they legit? Is there any guarantee that the seller will actually deliver? Are there any safeguards in place to protect buyers from scammers? Are there reputable vampire and werewolf guilds that sell bites or induct new members?

Just curious.

Yes some are legit some are not and there is no real way to tell until after the deal. Part of the problem is an ongoing problem with vamp spawns.

Maintenance or something is screwing them up as I've seen werewolves spawn twice once for two days at the end of the week and once for two days at the beginning of the next, thus skipping vamp spawns again. Or maybe they changed the spawn rates for vamps and just don't care to tell us.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

Best way to fix this is not buying it.:-). If you really wish to become one, just do it via pve or ask guild mate. There must be someone who will do it for free. It surely is nothing worth spending money on. Becoming ugly creature. Meh.

vstadenerwb17_ESO

I really hope they get rid of all these sellers. These vamp/were bite sellers are just as annoying as the gold sellers

Khandi

Seems like a good way for gold sellers to make gold in game....or maybe I'm missing something??

HotToddy

Apart from watching the phenomena of the otherwise unexpected underground economy (which is always fascinating) I'm not a big supporter of 'paying' for bites. I actually had someone nice enough to give me a bite with the stipulation that I don't sell my bite to others (which I am more than happy to comply with).

I do believe that 'blood ritual' can be earned by the player way to early in the vampire skill tree though. Maybe this is silly, but I think it shouldn't be given until the player has maxed out the Vamp abilities, only to unlock at the very end. Sort of a 'Vampire Lords' only skill (I for one won't bother to invest in it until all my vamp skills are maxed out).

This might thin the herd a little and make it feel a little more 'exclusive' than 'infectious' if that makes any sense.

SirAndy

Why pay for something that is free?

Natjur

Some of the player who scammed (took the money and did not give the bite) have been banned.

In my guild, we have a lot of vampires and we give the bite for free to fellow members and most will tell everyone else when the vamps or werewolf's are up to go get your free bite.

As more and more vamps and ww are around, the price will drop and more and more will give it for free. (as it should be)

At the moment, I have been trading bites (give a vamp bite out on one faction so my alt can get a bite on another faction) Just takes a little trust. The vamp quest line can be done as low as L12 if you are good at kiting.

McUsher

I doubt that so many will give it away for free. In WoW the weekly timer for the creation of some crafting ingredient was sold as well.

Becoming a werewolf/vampire is a rare "resource", and rare resources are pretty often sold...

And for the record:
You can stay werewolf at the ritual site forever. So before you hand over even the upfront money, let the "seller" transfrom. To double check, you can even get an addon, that tells you what buffs other player have. If the "seller" has the buff "bit a player", he can't devour you, to infect you.

Hint for Werewolf as of version 1.0.6: When grouped with the werewolf the devour seemed buggy. So don't group, and if grouped, let the one wanting to get infected get some aggro by nearby crabs.

drwoody44b14_ESO

nidriks wrote: »

Some people bite for free...find a good guild, get to know people and you might get offered a bite.

It's bloody ridiculous that people think they can get away with charging 10-20k for a bite in a game.

More fool the people that pay it, I guess.

You can also anticipate Vampires possibly getting a nerf pretty soon too, if the AvA nonsense is anything to go by.

Vamps already did get nerfed. Well, more like they fixed the broken PvP stuff.

50k for my first bite
20k for my next two bites.

I'll get 20k for my next bite

You jelly brah?

knaveofengland

well pull out their teeth and no more bites period , I know its only a game but for teeth sake pull them out and send the offending players to planet zog

DragonMother

Paying for something you can get for free seems like a pretty dumb thing to do.

Tarwin

All these questions about bites and what not. No one has asked yet ... does it hurt?
And I don't mean your pocket book when you get scammed

forever human, long live the living and flea free!

drwoody44b14_ESO

DragonMother wrote: »

Paying for something you can get for free seems like a pretty dumb thing to do.

By that logic,

You're dumb for buying anything from any other player.

DragonMother

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

DragonMother wrote: »

Paying for something you can get for free seems like a pretty dumb thing to do.

By that logic,

You're dumb for buying anything from any other player.

I generally don't.

SadisticSavior

Pele wrote: »

I've seen bites selling for 10k-20k. Are they legit? Is there any guarantee that the seller will actually deliver?

Nope. If they screw you over, you have zero recourse. And yes, it happens all the time.

Pele wrote: »

Are there any safeguards in place to protect buyers from scammers?

Nope. Zenimax will not care if you get screwed over on this. What they are doing is legal. They are not required to deliver the service.

Think of them as an escort. You may or may not get lucky. They have an incentive to deliver (word of mouth is great advertisement). But they are not required to give you a happy ending either way.

Pele wrote: »

Are there reputable vampire and werewolf guilds that sell bites or induct new members?

Most guilds are going to make you pay your dues ahead of time, to avoid people joining just for the infection and then immediately quitting. Scams work both ways.

roflcopter

No need to pay for bites anymore, guilds are forming that give out free bites and what I have noticed the camping of the spawns have been less on point as of late.

As the weeks post launch keep going on the less people will sell as well as chances you can get bit by the NPC are greater.

zaria

roflcopter wrote: »

No need to pay for bites anymore, guilds are forming that give out free bites and what I have noticed the camping of the spawns have been less on point as of late.

As the weeks post launch keep going on the less people will sell as well as chances you can get bit by the NPC are greater.

As you get more vampires able to bite and fewer people being desperate to become one prices will drop the same way as racial style books.
As you don't get lots of money anymore camping the spawn point don't make sense and people stop.

Xithian

zaria wrote: »

As you get more vampires able to bite and fewer people being desperate to become one prices will drop the same way as racial style books.

This pretty much sums it up. Also I can't help but think that the people selling bites must be sad, lonely individuals that they don't have any friends or guildies to give bites too. I mean, I guess they could be selfish people who don't really care about their friends if it in any way means they have to lose out on getting something...but nah, that'd be pretty far-fetched.

McUsher

Hmm, i've bitten all my friends for free, shall i get new facebook friends?
(Don't forget that biting friends is fast as the number grows exponential!!!!)

There is a long Timer on the bite, and it can take you weeks to become a werewolf/vampire ( full moon/ new moon is just once a week, and you might be out ther meeting with real friends on new moon ingame ).
So why not buying/selling it... I am so selfish i even sell crafting materials to NPCS