One FREE Respec per CHARACTER!

Gisgo

krashwire_ESO wrote: »

I vote no free respecs! In fact they should be at least 5 times the cost they. If you want a game that has absolutely no challenge to it and bno consequences for choices go play wow. Don't ruin this game just cause you made poor decisions.

Yeah because farming gold for a respec makes the game more challenging.
SERIOUSLY

Syzmicke

You wonder why the RMT prospers with the price of everything in this game respec's,horses,storage,repairs just to name a few. :'(

nez

Cydone wrote: »

I would rather have a "Once per character class respec". Cause NB is the suck right now and every class can do what NB does and do it better. I would love to be able to spec out of it considering how gimped it is, in comparison to the other 3 classes. Oh and before someone says,"Well just roll a new character" I already have this guy at VR5. And seeing how lazy, boring and flawed the current leveling system is, I'd rather slit my own wrists than level up another character in this game.

Totally agree

reggielee

no to the free respec, but have it rather based on a sliding scale, reasonably priced for the 1st one, then each time more expensive

Lovely

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

It's 250g per skill point.

Is it? Did they change this recently? I respecced when I had 83 skill points and it cost me 8300g. I have to check this when I finish work... can anyone confirm the price?

AngryNord

butthurtlocker wrote: »

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

This is a new game. Very new. As such, people have made mistakes and specced into skills that they regretted.

The skill reset shrine is ridiculously expensive. That's just too much gold for a new player to have to put out. You guys should offer one FREE respec per player character. That would be a decent and sensible thing to do for people to repair their mis-applied skill points.

Thanks.

No, no, no. I already paid to respec once, and I'm not gonna have a bunch of crybabies trying to change it and get out of paying. It's not fair to me and everyone else who already paid. If you want to start over at no cost, why don't you create another character?

Seldom if ever have a nickname been more appropriate...

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO

Bumpage for one free respec. Wouldn't mind more however

Mendoze

I have to admit, I thought that at level 50 we'll get 1 free respec. I have no idea where I got that idea, but oh boy, was I suprised when I realized that it costs 12k for skills and 5k for stats. Oh well, learn from other's mistakes and respec early when you realize you made a mistake.

martymart76_ESO

krashwire_ESO wrote: »

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

Malediktus wrote: »

Its only 100g per skillpoint resetted. Inflation is already going strong and you want to remove money sinks lol.

Who said anything about removing money sinks? Inflation is going strong form people farming dungeon bosses and selling their crap. Stop putting words into my mouth. And it is not 100g per skill point. It's 250g per skill point.

You aren't very good at math are you?

To those who are crying for respecs like the whiny op-

I vote no free respecs! In fact they should be at least 5 times the cost they. If you want a game that has absolutely no challenge to it and bno consequences for choices go play wow. Don't ruin this game just cause you made poor decisions.

How do you equate "challenge" with redoing mistakes made by spending gold when people are brand new to a game and haven't figured it out yet with their classes? I don't see how your logic works. "Ruin" the game? No consequences? All I suggested is ONE free respec per character. That's it. One. That ruins the game for you? Whiny? You must be a member of the media or something, smearing people with whom you disagree and trying to make it seem other people's choices and freedoms have some sort of negative effect on what your personal gaming experience is.

martymart76_ESO

ElSlayer wrote: »

It looks like you, guys, love to get things for free...
How about to start making efforts?

How do you make the leap in logic of having ONE free respec for your mistaken skill point additions to wanting "things for free?" That one thing? One time? ONE free respec? A respec that literally every single other MMO and ARPG game out there offers for either free or a tiny amount of gold? People adding one skill point in the wrong place and wanting to change it shouldnt' be slapped with a 5000 gold bill. Quit arguing just to argue.

zamiel

Later on it's not so pricy anymore. I respecced I think about 4 times now (NB bugs, lesson learned now I'm reading the forums beforehand) for about 10-15k per. I still have 50-60k on me, it's really not an issue on higher levels.

And on low levels when it matters you get skill points in a much higher pace due to leveling.

Blackwidow

Wreaken wrote: »

Huh?!? Where is the money sink?

Repairs
Portal charges
Guild store 25% sales fees
COD charges
Huge respect charges
Bank upgrades
Bag upgrades
Expensive mounts.
Feeding mounts

Are you getting the idea?

martymart76_ESO

zamiel wrote: »

Later on it's not so pricy anymore. I respecced I think about 4 times now (NB bugs, lesson learned now I'm reading the forums beforehand) for about 10-15k per. I still have 50-60k on me, it's really not an issue on higher levels.

And on low levels when it matters you get skill points in a much higher pace due to leveling.

I an NB VR1 and nowhere near as rich as you, and I would like to be.....by not having to spend so damn much gold on a respec.

Juponen

reggielee wrote: »

no to the free respec, but have it rather based on a sliding scale, reasonably priced for the 1st one, then each time more expensive

Quoted for truth.

Now we can start argue about "reasonable"

Blackwidow

krashwire_ESO wrote: »

I vote no free respecs!

What reason do you have for this?

Don't ruin this game just cause you made poor decisions.

How can respects ruin any game?

Please explain?

AlliN

Free respec would be a good thing, let's say one every 20 levels. You would get one around the time you get to the zone with shrines, It's not an excessive ammount, you get one when you reach 40, when things are starting to get mroe complicated, and one at the end, to create a temporary end-build.

Now, it looks like the game actualy steers people into gold buyers, becase ones that have little or no experience in mmos feel constant lack of gold, and see an easy way out.

zamiel

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

I an NB VR1 and nowhere near as rich as you, and I would like to be.....by not having to spend so damn much gold on a respec.

You'll see the quest rewards going up then. When you get 6-800 gp for a 2 minute quest money will pile up. You can also refine raw materials for yellow upgrade components, it has about 50% profit margin.

All in all I paid much more for repairs as a ranged build which rarely dies or take damage than I spent on respeccing.

Blackwidow

zamiel wrote: »

Later on it's not so pricy anymore. I respecced I think about 4 times now (NB bugs, lesson learned now I'm reading the forums beforehand) for about 10-15k per. I still have 50-60k on me, it's really not an issue on higher levels.

And on low levels when it matters you get skill points in a much higher pace due to leveling.

Again, for the low levels players, especially new MMO players, it would be nice to give a free respect every 10 levels.

If there is a downside to this idea I don't see it and it has not been explained on this thread.

However there is a huge upside to this idea.

It makes the game more fun for players to try different builds.
New players will have an easier time learning ESO.
It makes players less frustrated at all the gold sinks.

pronkg

1 it's not that expensive

2 you get a ridiculous amount of skill points. You can probably choose every skill there is to get eventually.

I currently have 18 points unspent cause I really have no need for them.
And yes I have 3 weapon lines maxed out and 2 armor lines maxed out.
2 class lines maxed.
Mages guild almost maxed.
Alchemy maxed out. Woodworking well on its way.

Should I then learn every craft style?

I can already be like 3 a 4 different builds on 1 char. I don't understand the issue here

I think there's already way too much freedom in choice. And yet people want more......

Blackwidow

pronkg wrote: »

1 it's not that expensive

For you.

2 You get a ridiculous amount of skill points. You can probably choose every skill there is to get eventually.

True. What is your point?

I currently have 18 points unspent cause I really have no need for them.
And yes I have 3 weapon lines maxed out and 2 armor lines maxed out.
2 class lines maxed.
Mages guild almost maxed.
Alchemy maxed out. Woodworking well on its way.

Should I then learn every craft style?

If you want. You seem to have the skill points.

I can already be like 3 a 4 different builds on 1 char. I don't understand the issue here

I think there's already way too much freedom in choice. And yet people want more......

So, too much freedom is the problem? I think you might be playing the wrong game.

Please explain the downside to a free respec every 10 levels.

You seem to be upset there are too many skill points. That has no bearing on people wanting a respect.

So, again, how would it hurt the game to get a free respect every 10 levels.

martymart76_ESO

pronkg wrote: »

1 it's not that expensive

2 you get a ridiculous amount of skill points. You can probably choose every skill there is to get eventually.

I currently have 18 points unspent cause I really have no need for them.
And yes I have 3 weapon lines maxed out and 2 armor lines maxed out.
2 class lines maxed.
Mages guild almost maxed.
Alchemy maxed out. Woodworking well on its way.

Should I then learn every craft style?

I can already be like 3 a 4 different builds on 1 char. I don't understand the issue here

I think there's already way too much freedom in choice. And yet people want more......

And please explain how other people having one free respec negatively affects your playing experience in ANY capacity whatsoever?

Ashenangel

gold is easy to get in this game and i do not mean gold seller(scum of gamer world) but i do think u should get a free respect at 50 or maybe 40

zamiel

Blackwidow wrote: »

Please explain the downside to a free respec every 10 levels.

It's extremely easy. The current system favors people who actively check sources (like forums and fansites) for gameplay mechanics, synergies and the like. They plan their character and are aware what works and what does not. They have a good bit of money advantage compared to those who puts random skill points everywhere and then have to reset.

And this is good. Compare DDO playerbase (where you have to pay real money to 'respec' your character) to (no offense) WoW where respec is possible. They are lightyears apart in terms of average gameplay knowledge.

I do think having consequences of choices (you have to pay money if you mess it up) is a good thing and helps the game build a good and informed community.

Blackwidow

Ashenangel wrote: »

gold is easy to get in this game and i do not mean gold seller(scum of gamer world) but i do think u should get a free respect at 50 or maybe 40

Why not at 10th and 20th, 30th?

martymart76_ESO

zamiel wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Please explain the downside to a free respec every 10 levels.

It's extremely easy. The current system favors people who actively check sources (like forums and fansites) for gameplay mechanics, synergies and the like. They plan their character and are aware what works and what does not. They have a good bit of money advantage compared to those who puts random skill points everywhere and then have to reset.

And this is good. Compare DDO playerbase (where you have to pay real money to 'respec' your character) to (no offense) WoW where respec is possible. They are lightyears apart in terms of average gameplay knowledge.

I do think having consequences of choices (you have to pay money if you mess it up) is a good thing and helps the game build a good and informed community.

You still haven't answered the question. How does ME having one free respec for my new character in a new game that I have refined after my play experience, negatively affect YOUR game experience?

Blackwidow

zamiel wrote: »

It's extremely easy.

What is extremely easy?

The current system favors people who actively check sources (like forums and fansites) for gameplay mechanics, synergies and the like. They plan their character and are aware what works and what does not. They have a good bit of money advantage compared to those who puts random skill points everywhere and then have to reset.

You are in favor of people going to websites over people who don't. I get that.

Now how does giving a player a free respec every 10 levels hurt your game?

And this is good.

Because?

Compare DDO playerbase (where you have to pay real money to 'respec' your character) to (no offense) WoW where respec is possible. They are lightyears apart in terms of average gameplay knowledge.

I'm sorry, you are basing this on what?

I do think having consequences of choices (you have to pay money if you mess it up) is a good thing and helps the game build a good and informed community.

So, allowing players to respect, so they can learn more about their character, makes them less informed than people who don't respect?

No, seriously, can you give me a downside to giving a player a free respect every 10 levels?

zamiel

Blackwidow wrote: »

No, seriously, can you give me a downside to giving a player a free respect every 10 levels?

Yes, apparently you can't read.
If you can respec freely, you don't have consequences when putting that skill point into mark target for example.
Someone who actually read about the game and not just came to the forums to dribble will know that pve resistances/armor is negligible and it's a wasted point.
Therefore after several decisions like these the uninformed player has a bunch of skill points dumped into skills that are useless while the informed player does not. There is a power gap between them.

Now if the uninformed player can reset freely than nothing in the world forces him to get better as a player. He just makes some more dumb choices then resets again.

If he has to pay for respect though - he can do two things - come to the forum and post a huge whine thread about how it's unjust and respec cost should be nerfed or cough up that respec and learn from his errors and get better. And if he pays - the informed player who made the right choice all along is in a money advantage. Skill and knowledge is rewarded which should be the case in every game.

Gisgo

I dont think anyone should be required to check the net to see what his skills and morphs are really doing. Correct skill descriptions should be available in game.

A free respec is a given if anything because of all the bugged skills.

To me it sounds like people that got their character right (or at least they think so) dont want anyone else to have the same opportunity.

martymart76_ESO

zamiel wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

No, seriously, can you give me a downside to giving a player a free respect every 10 levels?

Yes, apparently you can't read.
If you can respec freely, you don't have consequences when putting that skill point into mark target for example.
Someone who actually read about the game and not just came to the forums to dribble will know that pve resistances/armor is negligible and it's a wasted point.
Therefore after several decisions like these the uninformed player has a bunch of skill points dumped into skills that are useless while the informed player does not. There is a power gap between them.

Now if the uninformed player can reset freely than nothing in the world forces him to get better as a player. He just makes some more dumb choices then resets again.

If he has to pay for respect though - he can do two things - come to the forum and post a huge whine thread about how it's unjust and respec cost should be nerfed or cough up that respec and learn from his errors and get better. And if he pays - the informed player who made the right choice all along is in a money advantage. Skill and knowledge is rewarded which should be the case in every game.

So now you are becoming defensive and insulting someone who questioned your logic. Gotcha.

Resistances/Armor are a wasted point to whom? Which class? Not to tanks. You are trying to come off as if you are an elitist gamer here, and elitist gamers routinely min/max and squeeze every ounce of bonus passive into their builds. I can see that for PVE DPS, but not for tanks.

Now which is it: Do we have more skill points than we need or do we have so few that we have to be "informed" and take calculated risks when assigning them? Because they're so rare and precious?

Nobody is asking for totally free respecs. I don't mind paying even 1000 gold for a single point refund out of a specific ability, but all or nothing costing me that much gold over one point I want to reassign? I've asked for ONE free total respec. One, and you are trying to turn that one request that benefits everyone on this game financially into people who disagree with you being bad players.

*smh*

I am a human being, and this is a new game, and I am a new player at it. Are you honestly going to sit there and say that because you believe you are a better player than someone else, that they shouldn't have a free respec? It's a game. Calm down.

Blackwidow

zamiel wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

No, seriously, can you give me a downside to giving a player a free respect every 10 levels?

Yes, apparently you can't read.

Actually it would be a reading comprehension problem, not a lack being able to actually read, but please go on.

If you can respec freely, you don't have consequences when putting that skill point into mark target for example.

What consequences?

How do these consequences ruin or make the game better?

Someone who actually read about the game and not just came to the forums to dribble will know that pve resistances/armor is negligible and it's a wasted point.
Therefore after several decisions like these the uninformed player has a bunch of skill points dumped into skills that are useless while the informed player does not. There is a power gap between them.

So, you want the fact that ESO has bad information about character stats, give you some edge in your character being better than someone elses?

But, to follow your logic, they still would not know about this information if they did a respec, right?

Also, isn't that a really petty thing to hang your argument on? Shouldn't the argument be, that because the information is so bad in the game, that players should get a free respect every 10 levels.

I'm sure that is what you meant to say and not come across as a petty person.

Now if the uninformed player can reset freely than nothing in the world forces him to get better as a player. He just makes some more dumb choices then resets again.

You are going to have to explain how a respec actually makes them less informed. According to you, they are already less informed. The respec has nothing to do with it.

If he has to pay for respect though - he can do two things - come to the forum and post a huge whine thread about how it's unjust and respec cost should be nerfed or cough up that respec and learn from his errors and get better.

So, free respect once every 10 levels and he will show no improvement, however if he pays gold every 10 levels to respect, he will be a better player?

So how he is a better player?

ROFLMAO!

No, seriously, are you just making this stuff up as you go along?