Do you think there should be an AoE cap?

Lava_Croft

No

I like how you are implying that only pugs want Cyrodiil and the rest will go to (lol) instanced PvP.

Heindrich

No

It's so sad that what the op warned about in April 2014 happened exactly as predicted.

Cogo

No

I don't care.

I only vote no because, SOME players wants to change the game to make them stronger. Instead of improving their game play.

Muizer

No

After last ESO-live I'm going with the 'Yes' option for now. After all, the devs evidently understand the problems we experience and are considering solutions. So the only difference now between those who clamour for the removal of AoE caps and the devs is that the former do not know the code base and the latter do. Why would I choose ignorance over knowledge? Only people with an axe to grind or deep rooted aversion to admitting they were wrong, it seems, would continue to harp on about this.

Elsonso

No

Heindrich wrote: »

It's so sad that what the op warned about in April 2014 happened exactly as predicted.

Interesting...

RivenVII wrote: »

The proper solution to this problem should be the independent balancing of the utility, damage, radius, and duration on AoE abilities

The reason that this is interesting is that, if you listen to what Wrobel says, this is pretty much what he wants to do with the combat. He is not looking at AoE caps simply because he disagrees that they are the proper answer. He went to great lengths to talk about all the AoE changes in radius, duration, and damage and went into theories that he has to solve stacking problem. In this respect, he sounded a lot like the OP.

Dyride

No

ETA RIP.

Taonnor

No

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I like how you are implying that only pugs want Cyrodiil and the rest will go to (lol) instanced PvP.

Sorry you understand it wrong. What i mean is that if nothing changes in cyrodiil the not PUG players will get out sooner or later, because they not want to play like this, its boring. So if you love ESO the last chance to play not these PUG pvp in this game are arenas. If you not like both you change the game.

Thats i think now. If Cyrodiil is not changing in that way i want and if the arenas failing, i change the game. The same was with GW2 by me. WvWvW and their Arenas where boring to me.

I hold on so long. We lost from the beginning of the game around 200 peoples in our guild, because of they quitting the game. Most reason was the boring PUG zerging and blob groups in cyrodiil.

In my eyes @wrobel is too diffident with their changes. After last ESO live i think i know his mind behind the changes and what he is trying, but i think it is the wrong way. We will see whow the last changings will change the Cyrodiil meta. I hope he is teaching me wrong.

BEZDNA

No

aoe cap is a cancer of these game.

Reevster

How about no AOE cap in PVE only..... I want to kill trash faster ..P

Plus 6 m Pulsar from Destro staff sucks, how about bringing up to par with steel tornadoes soon to be 9 m?

I would be happy with just the radius increase on pulsar.....

ToRelax

No

Muizer wrote: »

After last ESO-live I'm going with the 'Yes' option for now. After all, the devs evidently understand the problems we experience and are considering solutions. So the only difference now between those who clamour for the removal of AoE caps and the devs is that the former do not know the code base and the latter do. Why would I choose ignorance over knowledge? Only people with an axe to grind or deep rooted aversion to admitting they were wrong, it seems, would continue to harp on about this.

Maybe you should also look at the differences in understanding of the game and meta.
I quote Wrobel from last ESO Live: "Crystal Blast now has a lot more AoE damage, so you can throw that into a group of enemies who are charging at you and not, you know, not have to get hit by all their PBAoEs that they're spamming."

He explained further how he wants to change the meta to evolve more around positioning and ranged AoEs than it currently is, but the way he adresses it just clearly tells how inept he really is.

edit: typo

VoiDGhOs7

No

This thread is 44 pages long and the only dev comment is to keep it clean from bashing/flaming stuff.

So sad that the game is almost 2 years old and AoE cap is still here making Cyro a total mess while 24vs24 are spamming the FOTM ruining the game for everyone in Cyrodiil costant 400+ ping is not fun to play.

To be honest I'd rather take this back than the current zerg meta that runs rampant in the majority of Veteran campaigns.
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq2-Zl1PETM

Lava_Croft

No

Taonnor wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I like how you are implying that only pugs want Cyrodiil and the rest will go to (lol) instanced PvP.

Sorry you understand it wrong. What i mean is that if nothing changes in cyrodiil the not PUG players will get out sooner or later, because they not want to play like this, its boring. So if you love ESO the last chance to play not these PUG pvp in this game are arenas. If you not like both you change the game.

Thats i think now. If Cyrodiil is not changing in that way i want and if the arenas failing, i change the game. The same was with GW2 by me. WvWvW and their Arenas where boring to me.

I hold on so long. We lost from the beginning of the game around 200 peoples in our guild, because of they quitting the game. Most reason was the boring PUG zerging and blob groups in cyrodiil.

In my eyes @wrobel is too diffident with their changes. After last ESO live i think i know his mind behind the changes and what he is trying, but i think it is the wrong way. We will see whow the last changings will change the Cyrodiil meta. I hope he is teaching me wrong.

Ah, my apologies! Yes, we will just have to see in the Live environment how everything works out. Just like you, my hopes aren't very high either, but I'm ready to be amazed in a good way. Can barely get any worse than the current situation, I reckon.

Muizer

No

ToRelax wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

After last ESO-live I'm going with the 'Yes' option for now. After all, the devs evidently understand the problems we experience and are considering solutions. So the only difference now between those who clamour for the removal of AoE caps and the devs is that the former do not know the code base and the latter do. Why would I choose ignorance over knowledge? Only people with an axe to grind or deep rooted aversion to admitting they were wrong, it seems, would continue to harp on about this.

Maybe you should also look at the differences in understanding of the game and meta.
I quote Wrobel from last ESO Live: "Crystal Blast now has a lot more AoE damage, so you can throw that into a group of enemies who are charging at you and not, you know, not have to get hit by all their PBAoEs that they're spamming."

He explained further how he wants to change the meta to evolve more around positioning and ranged AoEs than it currently is, but the way he adresses it just clearly tells how inept he really is.

edit: typo

Well, he has a team of professionals to go over a code base. What do you have? An awkwardly formulated sentence on a twitch stream.

HoloYoitsu

Muizer wrote: »

After last ESO-live I'm going with the 'Yes' option for now. After all, the devs evidently understand the problems we experience and are considering solutions. So the only difference now between those who clamour for the removal of AoE caps and the devs is that the former do not know the code base and the latter do. Why would I choose ignorance over knowledge? Only people with an axe to grind or deep rooted aversion to admitting they were wrong, it seems, would continue to harp on about this.

You mean the same dev who said...

"People melt in Wall of Elements."
"We decreased Steel Tornado to 9m because we don't want it to be the biggest radius [PBAoE]."
"You should wait till your resources get to 0 before using a potion."
"We're not adding V16 gear vendors because people have too much AP."

The same dev responsible for so many persistently bugged skills and poor itemization that I've lost count?

That dev?!

I can't even find it in me to be mad at you, all I can do is laugh.

Bashev

No

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

After last ESO-live I'm going with the 'Yes' option for now. After all, the devs evidently understand the problems we experience and are considering solutions. So the only difference now between those who clamour for the removal of AoE caps and the devs is that the former do not know the code base and the latter do. Why would I choose ignorance over knowledge? Only people with an axe to grind or deep rooted aversion to admitting they were wrong, it seems, would continue to harp on about this.

You mean the same dev who said...

"People melt in Wall of Elements."
"We decreased Steel Tornado to 9m because we don't want it to be the biggest radius [PBAoE]."
"You should wait till your resources get to 0 before using a potion."
"We're not adding V16 gear vendors because people have too much AP."

The same dev responsible for so many persistently bugged skills and poor itemization that I've lost count?

That dev?!

I can't even find it in me to be mad at you, all I can do is laugh.

And when he mentioned about the AP caps and Gina told him that the chat exploded, he asked her was it positive? He really thought that this probably was a good idea. I can give him an advice. Whatever you think is good @wrobel just do the opposite. Then the game can be fun again probably.

ToRelax

No

Muizer wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

After last ESO-live I'm going with the 'Yes' option for now. After all, the devs evidently understand the problems we experience and are considering solutions. So the only difference now between those who clamour for the removal of AoE caps and the devs is that the former do not know the code base and the latter do. Why would I choose ignorance over knowledge? Only people with an axe to grind or deep rooted aversion to admitting they were wrong, it seems, would continue to harp on about this.

Maybe you should also look at the differences in understanding of the game and meta.
I quote Wrobel from last ESO Live: "Crystal Blast now has a lot more AoE damage, so you can throw that into a group of enemies who are charging at you and not, you know, not have to get hit by all their PBAoEs that they're spamming."

He explained further how he wants to change the meta to evolve more around positioning and ranged AoEs than it currently is, but the way he adresses it just clearly tells how inept he really is.

edit: typo

Well, he has a team of professionals to go over a code base. What do you have? An awkwardly formulated sentence on a twitch stream.

Don't worry, I have lots evidence. If Wrobel had never even tried to communicate with the community, I'd be pissed. This way, I just pity him and silently hope things may change one day.

remilafo

No

Honor @fengrush one more time..

Jhunn

No

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Taonnor wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I like how you are implying that only pugs want Cyrodiil and the rest will go to (lol) instanced PvP.

Sorry you understand it wrong. What i mean is that if nothing changes in cyrodiil the not PUG players will get out sooner or later, because they not want to play like this, its boring. So if you love ESO the last chance to play not these PUG pvp in this game are arenas. If you not like both you change the game.

Thats i think now. If Cyrodiil is not changing in that way i want and if the arenas failing, i change the game. The same was with GW2 by me. WvWvW and their Arenas where boring to me.

I hold on so long. We lost from the beginning of the game around 200 peoples in our guild, because of they quitting the game. Most reason was the boring PUG zerging and blob groups in cyrodiil.

In my eyes @wrobel is too diffident with their changes. After last ESO live i think i know his mind behind the changes and what he is trying, but i think it is the wrong way. We will see whow the last changings will change the Cyrodiil meta. I hope he is teaching me wrong.

Can barely get any worse than the current situation, I reckon.

Come again, @Lava_Croft?

Mojmir

No

ToRelax wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

After last ESO-live I'm going with the 'Yes' option for now. After all, the devs evidently understand the problems we experience and are considering solutions. So the only difference now between those who clamour for the removal of AoE caps and the devs is that the former do not know the code base and the latter do. Why would I choose ignorance over knowledge? Only people with an axe to grind or deep rooted aversion to admitting they were wrong, it seems, would continue to harp on about this.

Maybe you should also look at the differences in understanding of the game and meta.
I quote Wrobel from last ESO Live: "Crystal Blast now has a lot more AoE damage, so you can throw that into a group of enemies who are charging at you and not, you know, not have to get hit by all their PBAoEs that they're spamming."

He explained further how he wants to change the meta to evolve more around positioning and ranged AoEs than it currently is, but the way he adresses it just clearly tells how inept he really is.

edit: typo

Well, he has a team of professionals to go over a code base. What do you have? An awkwardly formulated sentence on a twitch stream.

Don't worry, I have lots evidence. If Wrobel had never even tried to communicate with the community, I'd be pissed. This way, I just pity him and silently hope things may change one day.

He opened a thread and never responded,thats his communication

GRxKnight

No

How can he think that pvp is healthy and people are happy with how things are? This man needs to be shown the door

Katahdin

The player base can put a million polls up for something that says everyone wants something a certain way.

The bottom line is that it is ZoS' game. If the devs don't agree and think it is a bad idea or there is some other reason why something can't be done the don't have to change it, period.

For whatever reason, they have said the won't remove the Aoe caps. It doesn't break the game. People need to get over it already.

Katahdin

Gw2 removed the caps on aoe conditions in their game. It made wvw a horror show.

Endless conditions every second, couldnt cleanse fast enough and people still zerg everywhere. The zerg with the gretest number of aoe condition spammers wins.

GRxKnight

No

Katahdin wrote: »

The player base can put a million polls up for something that says everyone wants something a certain way.

The bottom line is that it is ZoS' game. If the devs don't agree and think it is a bad idea or there is some other reason why something can't be done the don't have to change it, period.

For whatever reason, they have said the won't remove the Aoe caps. It doesn't break the game. People need to get over it already.

The problem is it does break the game...pvp is terrible right now because of it...they only common complaint from the pick community before the AoE cap implementation was DK's are too OP and NB cloak doesn't work

Sallington

No

Katahdin wrote: »

The player base can put a million polls up for something that says everyone wants something a certain way.

The bottom line is that it is ZoS' game. If the devs don't agree and think it is a bad idea or there is some other reason why something can't be done the don't have to change it, period.

For whatever reason, they have said the won't remove the Aoe caps. It doesn't break the game. People need to get over it already.

It's not like the devs have some artistic vision which requires AOE caps. The AOE cap is either a direct cause of , or related to a lot of the problems in Cyrodil currently. This is the playerbase asking for a fix of the current PvP landscape, which is one one big zerg meta lag-filled mess.

RobboEU

lol

Lava_Croft

No

Jhunn wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Taonnor wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I like how you are implying that only pugs want Cyrodiil and the rest will go to (lol) instanced PvP.

Sorry you understand it wrong. What i mean is that if nothing changes in cyrodiil the not PUG players will get out sooner or later, because they not want to play like this, its boring. So if you love ESO the last chance to play not these PUG pvp in this game are arenas. If you not like both you change the game.

Thats i think now. If Cyrodiil is not changing in that way i want and if the arenas failing, i change the game. The same was with GW2 by me. WvWvW and their Arenas where boring to me.

I hold on so long. We lost from the beginning of the game around 200 peoples in our guild, because of they quitting the game. Most reason was the boring PUG zerging and blob groups in cyrodiil.

In my eyes @wrobel is too diffident with their changes. After last ESO live i think i know his mind behind the changes and what he is trying, but i think it is the wrong way. We will see whow the last changings will change the Cyrodiil meta. I hope he is teaching me wrong.

Can barely get any worse than the current situation, I reckon.

Come again, @Lava_Croft?

ZOS is really good at beating expectations, I'll admit that.

DjSolJAH

No

Old thread yet I'm guessing this was before AoE caps were implemented. Although thousands pleaded against AoE caps.... They were implemented and remain

RoamingRiverElk

No

From what I gathered from Wrobel's response on ESO Live, they are simply too lazy to modify the group encounters in the trials and group dungeons to match a new system without aoe caps.

zZzleepyhead

No

I'm so shocked to see this thread again XD
Thought for sure it had been locked.

Bump for dayyzzzz

LegendaryChef

No

These days I look at zos like I would a lost son that I desperately wanted to keep in contact with but in reality all he does is take my money and doesn't give a f**k about you