Veteran Level isn t Fun its a grind

hauke

my problem is i didn t die in lvl 1-50 mostly i didn t, but in veteran lvl i suddenly die all the time, it isn t fun

hauke

if they change so massivl they (zos) should make a tutorial ...

how to survive vet lvls

Cydone

minack1preub18_ESO wrote: »

OP is right. The veteran grid system is just a poorly thought out system of busy work meant to put off end game content for as long as possible. It makes creating alts a suicide-inducing proposition and it highlights the shallowness of many of the quests.

ZOS needs to make it efficient to level in Cyrodiil. You'd still have the option to go back and complete the quests in other faction zones, but it wouldn't be the only option.

THIS!

codyyoungnub18_ESO

hauke wrote: »

my problem is i didn t die in lvl 1-50 mostly i didn t, but in veteran lvl i suddenly die all the time, it isn t fun

AND you want content difficulty nerfed.. awesome, and yet very fitting.

Cydone

codyyoungnub18_ESO wrote: »

hauke wrote: »

my problem is i didn t die in lvl 1-50 mostly i didn t, but in veteran lvl i suddenly die all the time, it isn t fun

AND you want content difficulty nerfed.. awesome, and yet very fitting.

They increased the HP and damage output of the npc's for the VR levels, but didn't do the same "scaling" for player damage......unless you are an AoE class. And with the amount of ppl crying for a nerf of AoE damage, that will make the VR levels even more tedious and boring to get through. Bad design is bad!

Armitas

The Elder Scrolls series is an RPG, which entails a quest/story oriented game.
The Elder Scrolls Online is an MMORPG which entails a quest/story oriented game online.

Why must we destroy the game play for those who came here because of the game play, just so others who came here despite the gameplay can avoid it?

If they make it so you can effectively grind mobs only, then those who quest...which entails killing mobs, will be over level for all content.

afaik it may be possible to adjust PvP xp without consequence to those who came here for the gameplay.

Cleofis

1-50 as a tank was lovely soloing and fun and what not. Then I saw for Vet ranks I had to go and do the other alliance's areas and I thought to myself. Ok but if I do that I'm not going to want to roll an alt then?!

So I wandered in with my 1h and shield and cried at how slow it is to kill things (It's not hard, just slow). I began to think, should I go 2h or dual wield? Then I remembered that I wanted to be a tank. I am now sat deliberating:

a) Go dual wield/2h and give up either healing or tank
b) Just use my Vet char for PvP and sod the Vet questing and roll an alt
c) Just pack in the game until there's something more fun/less tiresome to get my rank up

I love Cyro PvP but that's time dependent as it's only fun with decent size groups. Can we not have some decent Vet quests in Cyrodiil? Could they not have at least had us doing "undercover/spy" work for our home nations in the other factions areas so it's at least a little different to just rolling an alt.

randomaffliction66

Turelus wrote: »

Isn't the endgame of every single MMO just a massive grind any way?
Grind for gear, grind for achievements, grind for stats, grind for rankings... you don't HAVE to be veteran 10 to enjoy the games features, just play and enjoy the content while you work your way up there.

Well said. I did look at end game ( meaning once you've finished all vet levels) gear in cyrodiil one piece cost 680k so vet levels are just a miniscule part of the grind. They really arent bad.

I will also say this... they should have included the vet levels into the level cap because the difference in gear and even just the amount of abilities morphed and or not morphed is huge. Once you get mid way through vet content you realize that one level is equal to 50 regular levels. And it goes a lot higher so it ends up being 100+.

randomaffliction66

Clotholachesisatropos666b14_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Isn't the endgame of every single MMO just a massive grind any way?
Grind for gear, grind for achievements, grind for stats, grind for rankings... you don't HAVE to be veteran 10 to enjoy the games features, just play and enjoy the content while you work your way up there.

Well said. I did look at end game ( meaning once you've finished all vet levels) gear in cyrodiil one piece cost 680k so vet levels are just a miniscule part of the grind. They really arent bad.

I will also say this... they should have included the vet levels into the level cap because the difference in gear and even just the amount of abilities morphed and or not morphed is huge. Once you get mid way through vet content you realize that one level is equal to 50 regular levels. And it goes a lot higher so it ends up being 100+.

Sorry I should have been a little more specific. When I said 680k I wasn't talking about gold. Its 680,000 ap ( alliance points)

Kililin

Questing is the worst part of this game, it feels like they want to force me to see their *** quests.

At least i want a switch to auto click through all conversation, i am not interested why i have to click arrow number 349807690 on loc x,y

Essentially you have to grind the maps, quests, torches, world bosses, dolmen.
I wouldnt mind the time, just let us do what we like and give VR points that are roughly the same for every activity.
Don't force me to play the way you want me to.

Cydone

Kililin wrote: »

Questing is the worst part of this game, it feels like they want to force me to see their *** quests.

At least i want a switch to auto click through all conversation, i am not interested why i have to click arrow number 349807690 on loc x,y

Essentially you have to grind the maps, quests, torches, world bosses, dolmen.
I wouldnt mind the time, just let us do what we like and give VR points that are roughly the same for every activity.
Don't force me to play the way you want me to.

Oh but according to ZOS, we can play the way we want!! /sarcasm off

Aaron_Spellcaster

I have to admit, the Whole thing feels like a big grind. The biggest reason; lack of proper social Tools and how the current ones are implemented.

WilliamTee

Sometimes I honestly wonder whether people in these threads have, you know, played a computer game before.

Of any type.

Ever.

reignfyre

Rainbow wrote: »

hauke wrote: »

i pay to play to have fun, not to grind

Okay, well you best quit this game and EVERY other MMO cause they are all "grindy" at max level. -rolls eyes at your stupidity-

Sorry but why would you accept the status quo that MMO's have to be grindy and not fun. Stupidity is playing hundreds of hours in a video game that is not fun.

reignfyre

Ace_SiN wrote: »

The vet content is fun if you enjoy doing quests and learning lore probably. It's dreadful if you're like me and don't fit into that category. Being forced to do nearly every single quest, anchor, and public dungeon on a map, just to get 1 rank, is just bad design. The worse part is you can tell ZoS designed it this way to artificially slowdown the leveling process(what other reason for the above and the lack of VP from mobs?).

Well questing wouldn't be so bad if it was mixed in with other activities, but you really get numb to it after a while. I mean I love the idea of reading the story and following along, but its so tiresome and after a while you just want to say *** it, show me the arrow I'll do whatever the *** you want just shut up already!

WilliamTee

MMO designers have clearly missed a beat here...

TESO had the Standard Edition...
the Imperial Edition...
but they clearly missed out on the:

Troglodyte Edition.

Only $1000!

• Includes a max level character with max gear, all skills maxed, a maxed out mount, and bags and bank upgraded to the max!
• We'll also throw in a pink elephant vanity pet called Maximus!
• Every in-game achievement is already completed and all locations unlocked immediately upon entering the game!
• Equip your limited edition 'Blade of UnoShotto' to insta-gib anyone or anything you meet, no effort or thought required!

This purchase also includes a non-renewable 1 month subscription.

Don't worry, by the end of the second week you'll be bored and have moved on elsewhere.

Haduis

That's something I don't understand from a lot of the people defending VRs.

Anti-fun mechanics and gameplay = / = a feeling of accomplishment.

I can have fun while doing something difficult and time consuming. VR's aren't that. VRs are like tweezing all the hair on your body, one at a time. Is it hard? Sure! Does it take forever? Yep. Does that mean it's somehow rewarding? Uhh, no.

Nehemia

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO wrote: »

Worst grind ever was for hides in Age of Conan.

And general questing in Aion Online.

Unless you are hell-bent on PvP, I see no reason to be veteran rank anything above 1. I'd rather see new content with additional levels.

Which makes it that much worse. In order to be in competitive for PvP, reaching max level isn't enough, you have to grind to maximum level. To be quite honest, I understand every single veteran rank macroer who isn't looking to make personal profit. You just DONT want to grind almost 8 mil exp at maximum level in order to reach level cap after level cap has been reached, its ridiculous.

Nimrael

My biggest beef with veteran content is that it basically kills utility/mix class build.

The dungeon design is strictly for Tank, Healer and 2 strong DPS.

There's no room for a utility archer/healer or something like that.
If you're taking one in, you're gimping yourself at the start and stuff's gonna be twice as hard as it usually is.

GrundelWolfe

More viable options to level are all we want. By forcing us to do quests in the other alliance's, they are 100% guaranteed to turn a fun game into a tedious nightmare. Not everyone enjoys the quests, especially when they fall into the same mold time, after time.

There are really only a handful of unique quests, and dungeons. Everything else falls into the same cookie cutter mold that they decided to go with.

Minack

WilliamTee wrote: »

MMO designers have clearly missed a beat here...

TESO had the Standard Edition...
the Imperial Edition...
but they clearly missed out on the:

Troglodyte Edition.

Only $1000!

• Includes a max level character with max gear, all skills maxed, a maxed out mount, and bags and bank upgraded to the max!
• We'll also throw in a pink elephant vanity pet called Maximus!
• Every in-game achievement is already completed and all locations unlocked immediately upon entering the game!
• Equip your limited edition 'Blade of UnoShotto' to insta-gib anyone or anything you meet, no effort or thought required!

This purchase also includes a non-renewable 1 month subscription.

Don't worry, by the end of the second week you'll be bored and have moved on elsewhere.

I think a better idea would be the Unemployed Edition DLC.

• You and a friend receive the Shovels of Stendarr. One of you gets to dig a hole while the other fills it up. At least 100 hours of extra content!
  
• A new mount called the Loot Treadmill. You won't actually get anywhere but at least you'll feel like you've accomplished something while you're on it.
  
• Go back and complete the Prison tutorial. This time the NPCs are VR11.
  
• Receive a new Costume: The Fat Neckbeard
  
• For our AMD users, a new dungeon called Sheogorath's Coin-purse. Grind bitcoins for ZOS while you and three of your friends dodge Storm Atronachs and Harvesters for 4 days straight.

Deluged

I am still wondering at the fact that there are way more "unsatisfied" people not enjoying this game than I thought there would be. After the beta testing, and the chat that went on there I was certain this was going to be one of the more liked MMORPG's to come along in a long time. No one seems to be really happy with the game. Casual players feel its too long to get anywhere in the game...full time players(hard core, or what ever you call them) Think the game is too easy and caters to the casuals. I'm starting to feel this game didn't hit the mark like I thought it was going to. Yes, every mmo has its launch time blues, and those who hate this, or that. But it seems to me ESO has more of it than most. The single playing greatness of the previous off line ES games, isn't translating well into a MMO posture. So hard to have story immersion when 10 other players are following the same NPC through a dungeon on a life or death story line. Its just not working as we hoped it would. That's why you can have such vast differences about the problems in the game. Its because its not one or the other, its that we're all sensing its just not working like we hoped, and a realization the ESO can't do the single player games justice.
A very valiant attempt to do it, especially being their first attempt, but I just don't think its working as intended.
Just my opinion.

Shillen

I'm loving the veteran content.

Asava

I'm only VR3 but I'm having deja voo of Aion for some reason.....

Shillen

Ace_SiN wrote: »

The worse part is you can tell ZoS designed it this way to artificially slowdown the leveling process(what other reason for the above and the lack of VP from mobs?).

Uhm, duh? Yeah they don't want you to level instantly. That's why you don't make a character and start out at VR10. Get a clue.

South_of_Heaven

I had made another thread about it (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87073/what-is-wrong-with-veteran-content/p1)

The problem imo lies at the fact that by 50 your character skill lines are pretty much completed. There is barely any character development during vr content which makes it very boring.

Dita

I'm currently VR4 - and I DO enjoy my experience in other faction zones, some quest are similar -I agree, but the way STORY is being introduce are different, which makes its fun for me. And the challenge, when its not bugged - just adds to the fun. No complaints here.

AlexDougherty

Turelus wrote: »

Isn't the endgame of every single MMO just a massive grind any way?
Grind for gear, grind for achievements, grind for stats, grind for rankings... you don't HAVE to be veteran 10 to enjoy the games features, just play and enjoy the content while you work your way up there.

Sadly, yes. I quit Swtor because the Endgame was a boring grind, and by the sounds when I finish the three factions I will quit this game too.

I know some people want it to be difficult and a grind, but a significant portion don't like that, they need to invent some middle ground for us, something that the grinders will skip but us fun lovers will enjoy.

JesinCrowe

lol impatient younglings...

Sakiri

Id just like to be able to play it with my less skilled friend who wont be abke to unlock it.