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Veteran Level isn t Fun its a grind
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Haduis✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »So your telling me when i get up to vr ranks, i cant play with my friends, grind mobs, and pvp. it blocks me from doing any of that?
In order to advance your VRs at a reasonable rate? Yes.
I'm not going to get into a shouting match over how I can still "do stuff."
No, I can't. VR's are the step I'm on, and there's no way to advance it at a decent rate without questing.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en-uk/news/post/2014/03/26/esos-veteran-content
Read this and tell me they delivered on any of it, especially this part:
"This is the philosophy behind the core systems of ESO—play the way you want to play—and it extends to our veteran content."
That's a direct quote.
I'm exiting the thread, I've said what I wanted to say. Anyone defending VRs in their current form of advancement is delusional and can enjoy spending their time in an empty game come a month or two from now.
As I've said, I like this game, I love the PvP, but I hate VRs.Edited by Haduis on April 22, 2014 6:42PM4 -
Korghan✭
+1Awesometographer wrote: »Level 1-50 I enjoyed the quests of my home areas.
Rank 1-10 I enjoyed the quests of the other two.
How is it any different?
Because not all of us enjoy the questing in this game. 1-50 is fine. But, I think it's a lazy design decision to just have you go through all the other alliances quests as well. Instead of developing something more dynamic to keep you engaged, they give you busy work to do instead.
Having it the way it is now also devalues the replayability of the game. Meaning leveling up a character in another alliance once you've hit VR10 on one character. There is no more discovery or surprises in the quests or the areas you visit in these other alliances because you've already played through ALL of them by the time you hit VR10.
Plus it is a MINDLESS grind. I'm at VR4 right now and I need 1.8 MILLION xp to get to VR5! I mean WTF! I have completed EVERY quest, dungeon, dolmen and world boss on the Malabal Tor map and I STILL need 800k more xp to get to VR5!
Either they need to allow questing in the PvP zone to grant a equal amount of XP that's given from the Veteran Rank map areas(only once you become VR yourself) or they need to REALLY increase the amount of XP gained from those VR quests. Cause this sh*t is just insane to someone that hates PvE crap, like me.
Ok didn't know that, ty for the information.I'll admit I got tired of doing quest after quest, until 8 when I realized I could do vet dungeons for really good xp. 8-10 took less than 2 days and plenty of epic vet10 loot. So cheer up, its not just quests till the end (unless you want to)
Though I have some questions if you may help me please, can you start vet dungeons before being vet8?
Are vet dungeons easier in first regions than in last regions?
How do you get XP in vet dungeons, with a quest(s)? or with mobs/bosses?
If it's with the quests, can you do it endlessly or is there a timer (for example one dungeon quest per day)?
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Reignskream✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »So your telling me when i get up to vr ranks, i cant play with my friends, grind mobs, and pvp. it blocks me from doing any of that?
In order to advance your VRs at a reasonable rate? Yes.
I'm not going to get into a shouting match over how I can still "do stuff."
No, I can't. VR's are the step I'm on, and there's no way to advance it at a decent rate without questing.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en-uk/news/post/2014/03/26/esos-veteran-content
Read this and tell me they delivered on any of it, especially this part:
"This is the philosophy behind the core systems of ESO—play the way you want to play—and it extends to our veteran content."
That's a direct quote.
I'm exiting the thread, I've said what I wanted to say. Anyone defending VRs in their current form of advancement is delusional and can enjoy spending their time in an empty game come a month or two from now.
As I've said, I like this game, I love the PvP, but I hate VRs.
So i can still pvp, i can still grind, and i can still play with my friends, i just don't get any pts for VR? Not trying to get in a shouting match, but your giving out false info because you don't agree with the system, confusing noobs like myself.
I'm still playing the way i want to play, & so are some of my VR friends.
Edited by Reignskream on April 22, 2014 6:52PM1 -
hauke✭✭✭yes i do the same quest multiple times because i have more then 1 main character i play, i ve done the main quest including beta about 10 times, gets to be very boring
at the moment i play 3 diffrent in 3 diffrent alliances, sorcerrer paladin or whatever and dragon knight0 -
Sigh WoW mentality is so bizarre. Let's say you could breeze to VR10 what exactly opens up that you cannot do now that would keep your oh so precious subscription? (even though I hope your kind jumps into wildstar as I think your gamer mentality is detrimental to good games)1
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Haduis✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »Reignskream wrote: »So your telling me when i get up to vr ranks, i cant play with my friends, grind mobs, and pvp. it blocks me from doing any of that?
In order to advance your VRs at a reasonable rate? Yes.
I'm not going to get into a shouting match over how I can still "do stuff."
No, I can't. VR's are the step I'm on, and there's no way to advance it at a decent rate without questing.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en-uk/news/post/2014/03/26/esos-veteran-content
Read this and tell me they delivered on any of it, especially this part:
"This is the philosophy behind the core systems of ESO—play the way you want to play—and it extends to our veteran content."
That's a direct quote.
I'm exiting the thread, I've said what I wanted to say. Anyone defending VRs in their current form of advancement is delusional and can enjoy spending their time in an empty game come a month or two from now.
As I've said, I like this game, I love the PvP, but I hate VRs.
So i can still pvp, i can still grind, and i can still play with my friends, i just don't get any pts for VR? Not trying to get in a shouting match, but your giving out false info because you don't agree with the system, confusing noobs like myself.
I'm still playing the way i want to play, and vr isnt blocking me from doing anything, and clearly wont. You just dont get any points from it.
I get 2% of a VR level from PvPing for 2 hours.
I get 114 Veteran points from killing a monster (I need 1.82 million points per level)
I can't group with my friends, unless they're on the same quest and quest step I'm on, otherwise we're phased, or one of us is wasting our time (read the 114 points per mob part again).
VR isn't blocking you from doing anything. VR just doesn't advance at a reasonable rate unless I'm PvEing (questing) by myself in one of the designated PvE areas of the other factions.
^^^Read that over and over again until it makes sense if you have anymore questions.2 -
Reignskream wrote: »Reignskream wrote: »So your telling me when i get up to vr ranks, i cant play with my friends, grind mobs, and pvp. it blocks me from doing any of that?
In order to advance your VRs at a reasonable rate? Yes.
I'm not going to get into a shouting match over how I can still "do stuff."
No, I can't. VR's are the step I'm on, and there's no way to advance it at a decent rate without questing.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en-uk/news/post/2014/03/26/esos-veteran-content
Read this and tell me they delivered on any of it, especially this part:
"This is the philosophy behind the core systems of ESO—play the way you want to play—and it extends to our veteran content."
That's a direct quote.
I'm exiting the thread, I've said what I wanted to say. Anyone defending VRs in their current form of advancement is delusional and can enjoy spending their time in an empty game come a month or two from now.
As I've said, I like this game, I love the PvP, but I hate VRs.
So i can still pvp, i can still grind, and i can still play with my friends, i just don't get any pts for VR? Not trying to get in a shouting match, but your giving out false info because you don't agree with the system, confusing noobs like myself.
I'm still playing the way i want to play, and vr isnt blocking me from doing anything, and clearly wont. You just dont get any points from it.
I get 2% of a VR level from PvPing for 2 hours.
I get 114 Veteran points from killing a monster (I need 1.82 million points per level)
I can't group with my friends, unless they're on the same quest and quest step I'm on, otherwise we're phased, or one of us is wasting our time (read the 114 points per mob part again).
VR isn't blocking you from doing anything. VR just doesn't advance at a reasonable rate unless I'm PvEing (questing) by myself in one of the designated PvE areas of the other factions.
^^^Read that over and over again until it makes sense if you have anymore questions.
What are you wanting to do in VR1 that you cannot until VR10?1 -
I think it would've been awesome to make veteran difficulty the default. The challenge of veteran is just right for my likings1
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djodars✭✭✭I agree with this, I finished the main story line yesterday and started in the other faction zone... completely disinterested. I've already beaten the main story boss, I saved everyone and now... wait... would you resolve this murder for me please? NO!
I've already done hundreds of quests like this one to get to where I am and now I have to start all over for what? For levels? There's no goal, no incentive at all to do the quests...
They should have made this game open world pvp and the level 20-50 would've been in shared zones where everyone can kill each other. Leveling 1-50 would've taken longer because you would have ~10 more zones and you would still have seen all the zones except the starters.
Now if I want to make an alt character, I have to do the same all over again, all the zones and all the quests in the same order just to beat the main story and grind quests with no motivation or purpose.
It's too late to fix something like that, the game has already been released but this is my opinion on why veteran ranks are dumb and shouldn't exist.3 -
Reignskream✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »Reignskream wrote: »So your telling me when i get up to vr ranks, i cant play with my friends, grind mobs, and pvp. it blocks me from doing any of that?
In order to advance your VRs at a reasonable rate? Yes.
I'm not going to get into a shouting match over how I can still "do stuff."
No, I can't. VR's are the step I'm on, and there's no way to advance it at a decent rate without questing.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en-uk/news/post/2014/03/26/esos-veteran-content
Read this and tell me they delivered on any of it, especially this part:
"This is the philosophy behind the core systems of ESO—play the way you want to play—and it extends to our veteran content."
That's a direct quote.
I'm exiting the thread, I've said what I wanted to say. Anyone defending VRs in their current form of advancement is delusional and can enjoy spending their time in an empty game come a month or two from now.
As I've said, I like this game, I love the PvP, but I hate VRs.
So i can still pvp, i can still grind, and i can still play with my friends, i just don't get any pts for VR? Not trying to get in a shouting match, but your giving out false info because you don't agree with the system, confusing noobs like myself.
I'm still playing the way i want to play, and vr isnt blocking me from doing anything, and clearly wont. You just dont get any points from it.
I get 2% of a VR level from PvPing for 2 hours.
I get 114 Veteran points from killing a monster (I need 1.82 million points per level)
I can't group with my friends, unless they're on the same quest and quest step I'm on, otherwise we're phased, or one of us is wasting our time (read the 114 points per mob part again).
VR isn't blocking you from doing anything. VR just doesn't advance at a reasonable rate unless I'm PvEing (questing) by myself in one of the designated PvE areas of the other factions.
^^^Read that over and over again until it makes sense if you have anymore questions.
I could get 1% from VR in pvp over 3hrs, id still enjoy the game. Difference between you and I is I dont base my enjoyment off of "i must level and get appropriate xp". Sometimes i just enjoy doing quests just to enjoy the story behind them, or i enjoy doing pvp because i simply like PVP.
your whole world seems to be revolved around xp, while mine i not. One thing I've always been able to do is not worry about what level i am or how much xp i am getting, becuase if im enjoying the game as much as i am now, then clearly me being me, i could careless to even glance at my xp bar.2 -
@Hauke : I am sorry, I don't seem to understand your technical issues, maybe if you could specify your problem a little better, the people here in the Customer Support forum can better address your issues.1 -
liquid_wolf✭✭✭✭you really like to play the same only ou need to fight real slow ?
man your sense of fun is perverted bad
Wait... what? You just said this:im lvl 38 in planetscape 2 i got 3 tier x in world of tanks, 3 tier 8 in world of warplanes, im not stuck on this game
The same game/matches repeatedly... a grind all in itself for levels/gear/in-game currency to buy upgrades...
And I'm certain the leveling/rewards start to come real slow once you reach the top of Planetscape/WoT/Tribez.
Certainly you can grind there, for free... but it is the same maps and grind... over and over again.
If you like that kind of grind... I can't tell why the MMORPG grind bothers you so much.Edited by liquid_wolf on April 22, 2014 7:05PM1 -
hauke✭✭✭LunacyInbound wrote: »If you didn't want to grind, maybe you shouldn't have "breezed" through the game so quickly!
i breezed through quests and dungeons, didn t run through the game, did every dungeon, went looking at the landscape at far cornors of the map, wasn t even anything to get but the view was nice
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✭✭Awesometographer wrote: »Level 1-50 I enjoyed the quests of my home areas.
Rank 1-10 I enjoyed the quests of the other two.
How is it any different?
Kinda kills replayability.2 -
Lonestryder✭✭✭steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »Everyone just shut up and do the damn levels like everyone else had to do to get VR10. Bunch of casuals.
Also if you are complaining at VR1 (which is 490k exp) what will you say when you reach VR9? (4.1million exp)
I hardly consider the OP a "casual" gamer. Let's at least be semi-accurate when making generalizations.0 -
Anzaman✭✭✭I'm currently Veteran rank 3 and I still haven't felt a need to grind anything, so I wonder when this "grinding" actually starts.
Veteran zones so far hasn't really been that much harder compared to 1 to 50 leveling, excluding some public dungeon bosses which tend to almost one-shot you but w/e. Upon completing first zones quests and torches, I reached VR 2, I didn't need to stop anywhere and farm certain mobs or dungeon bosses.![:\](https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Elder Scrolls -games has always been quest-based games for me, so I take all from them, enjoying the stories, themes and landscapes. Adventuring through the Tamriel with my friends.Nilene Nightsky - Healer WardenNiomia Nightsky - Stamina NightbladeEbonheart Pact (EU) Veteran: 10 - CP: 1010 -
hauke✭✭✭lets be clear , i basicly stoped the advance of my top character because repeating suff i did allready on ly at neck breaking difficulty, zombies are like bosses and a 3 zombie party requiers a ultimate is not my kind of gameplay, i mean ill win but i don t like it, i rather play my lvl 18 dragonknight then my veteran 1 sorcerer, this way0
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hauke✭✭✭maybe i should say that in pvp my veteran 1 sorcerer got 8 kills before dying, in a big attack, i think we got the emporor for our alliance too0
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Squishy✭✭✭I just wish we'd get something else than reward using inventory slots... like skill points, or ways to actually improve our character :S.
Considering the very little differences from one armor to the same of the next level, being able to equip armor a couple of level higher is not really making our toons stronger. If you equip a blue or a white armor, there seem to be virtually no difference in protection at all (at least on light armor).
Seem that for light armor, the only benefits are the look, and the traits and enchantements. I had a look thru various armor set which I can now craft, and some might have some uses, but the cooldowns on them can be quite ridiculous. Last one I got, forgot its name, allows an AOE knockback if hit by a melee weapon and your hp is under 35%. Sounds nice, fine... But it'll only activate once every 30 seconds... Well, if you're at 35% of your health, chances are you won't get to live those 30 seconds anyway (unless you really only need 1 hit to kill what's left ^_^). At that point, it might as well say will only work once per fight
. That's for solo play of course. In groups, I guess this can give some time for the healer to catch up to you.
Another gives you 100 point armor, which sounds nice, but well, 100 point armor does not seem to change much to be fair
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About difficulty, I do not understand why the game is virtually soloable, with some tough spots, but as soon as you reach Veteran, you pretty much have to group up... yes it's a mmo, but it's advertised as play your way... I like to solo, a lot. I like to change direction after a fight, because I can and want to... In a group, this is virtually impossible. The amount of player at veteran level ( I started the 3rd alliance story now) is extremelly low, and I'm not really willing to wait weeks before more player get there (or come back for those that left those zones already).
Since we have phasing, why not give players the option? One zone for the normal virtually hardcore veteran game play, and another instance for soloers, slightly less tough?. The /zone is virtually dead, people struggle to find others to do things (anchors/dungeons), and that is not really fun, especially when your own quests get you killed a lot. I have nothing against a challenge, but I really feel forcing us to group, in a zone where most people are going to roll an alt instead due to the difficulty, hence not increase the amount of players as it could, kinda goes against the goal of having the game set this way.
I originally understood we could experience the other alliances like an alt would, the extra crazzy difficulty does not achieve that in my books.
Several of my guildies gave up quickly, as it is just too hard for most people... it's a MMO, with a very large exposure, making it so the average player does not enjoy it is a bit conter productive really.
Being the way I am, I'll moan and whine, and still finish it somehow, but I certainly I am not enjoying it as much as I would if I died less often, and was not forced to group, just like level 1 to 50 of the game really.
Since I already went thru over 2/3rd of the game, it is obviously douable, considering I am far from being a good player... I'm guessing some of the hardness comes from some stuff not working properly (vampire tree, mundus stones, npc's not attacking when they shoud...) I'm wondering if there is also an issue with damage mitigation/armor, as the few tests I've done (fighting naked, or fully robed, seemed to show little to no difference aside from whatever you have slotted in trait and enchantements).
But, so far, and I reach RK6 tonight, it sure as hell does not feel like grinding. The quests are different from one alliance to the next, there is a different story, the maps are different, even most mobs are different, well, most of the time.
Yes it is quest heavy, but that is how an elder scrolls game is supposed to be, it's about the journey, and your choices, not your level:)Edited by Squishy on April 22, 2014 8:32PM"In 2014, a possible bot was sent to coldharbour by a military GM for a crime she didn't commit. This argonian promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Ebonheart underground. Today, still wanted by the developers she survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a bot problem, if no one else can bite you, and if you can find her....maybe you can hire The SQUISHY."0 -
hauke✭✭✭btw i have played for 2 weeks at veteran 1 and im going vet 2 today,so i think i got enough xp with content to complain2
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Minack✭✭✭OP is right. The veteran grind system is just a poorly thought out system of busy work meant to put off end game content for as long as possible. It makes creating alts a suicide-inducing proposition and it highlights the shallowness of many of the quests.
ZOS needs to make it efficient to level in Cyrodiil. You'd still have the option to go back and complete the quests in other faction zones, but it wouldn't be the only option.Edited by Minack on April 24, 2014 11:46PM2
