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Two Handers, Dual Wielding, Mages, and Rangers are OP
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Valethar✭✭✭✭Apparently this guy has never actually played an mmo before now. LOL
Mages have always tended to do higher damage than sword & board, etc.. It's a tradeoff. They get more damage to counter their weaker armor. Classes that wear heavier armor get generally lower damage because they have better survivability.
Your inability to play a class properly doesn't make everything else OP.Edited by Valethar on April 22, 2014 1:45AMResistance is not futile! Say no to the Greed Collective™. Boycott Crown Crates.2 -
Zolyok✭✭✭MMh everybody is op that's your problem ?
Ah no the 1h/s bash spamming is not OP ... but it's one of the most " lolilol boring'but'effective " build charge > bash > bash > bash > bash > bash bye bye .... bashing 300 damage per second while stunning for 2 sec on each hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JWjeWorgRrU
Huge number is not a win certitude0 -
gunplummer✭✭✭There are very few quests in the game that are level equal, being 2-3 levels higher makes for a smooth quest with limited frustration. Sure you may die, but not for 2 straight hours. If anything the characters should be buffed, PvE would be horrible if they nerfed skills any more especially for solo players.1 -
Tweek✭✭✭
Are you serious? You need to play a different class then. No way one-handed does anywhere close to the amount of damage a dual-wield or two-handed build does, and they're not supposed to. One-handed is for tanks, and tanks don't do a lot of damage. I can maybe see an argument for raising their defense a bit.
Than raise the defense from blocking....and we cannot do damage at all other than bashing with that skill tree.....hence the forum post.
Edited by Tweek on April 21, 2014 9:19PM0 -
AndurolSoul ShrivenTypical 1 handed medieval type sword. Figure about 2.5-3 lbs, and usually average a 33 inch blade.
Typical 2 handed sword around average 3.5 to 4.5 lbs, 44-47 inch blade.
Typical long bow velocity, I don't know, lets say 180 f/s with an effective range of 250 to 350 yards.
And well.. fire and lightning is... well, fire and lightning.
But you know what stops all of them? A shield.
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Elvikun✭✭✭
Oh good, you should've said it's you, Al, I wouldn't ever doubt you if you stated that in the OP. In that case I agree with everything.
Please, do not ever try to stop lightning with shield. Or fire. Unless you have a really big shield from very specific materials. We do not need some politician attacking ESO because you burned yourself alive as a result of playing it.But you know what stops all of them? A shield.
/threadEdited by Elvikun on April 21, 2014 9:46PMFailing is a lifestyle too.0 -
Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭Wait, so what classes in your view ARNT OP then? you seem to have covered pretty much everything..- Veteran Combat Librarian -3 -
Knottypine✭✭✭
I was just going to ask the same thing.Dekkameron wrote: »Wait, so what classes in your view ARNT OP then? you seem to have covered pretty much everything..
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Heishi✭✭✭✭✭Awesometographer wrote: »
No HEALERS are massively OP as well.....they're impossible to kill.
So... then everything but sword and board is op... This means one of two things, user error or this whole complaint should be reworded to sword and shield are underpowered, most likely leading to option 1 user error. I don't play sword and board so I really can't remark on whether it's OP, fine as is, or UP. Judging from other's comments I'm guessing it's fine.
This is exactly how many MMOs get ruined (among other problems). Group A complains Group B's class is to OP and QQ's until finally Group A gets nerfed. Then Group A ends up QQ that Group B is to OP and it's just not fair. Then Group B gets nerfed. This goes on and eventually nobody can do anything, then PVE people QQ that the enemies are to tough. The enemies get lowered. Then we keep lowering and lowering the bar until we end up with WoW.
At least 75% of the game is user skill. I have a crafter that only has standard attack and soul trap and I can solo with him pretty well just using those and the proper blocking/combat movement.And so did many brave men, women, and beast fall to the end of Beta, never to be heard from again. All that is left, is whispers of the adventures they had.4 -
That awkward moment when it finally dawned on me that blocking a caster was doing more dmg than my heavy attack
Are you serious? You need to play a different class then. No way one-handed does anywhere close to the amount of damage a dual-wield or two-handed build does, and they're not supposed to. One-handed is for tanks, and tanks don't do a lot of damage. I can maybe see an argument for raising their defense a bit.
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Evergnar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rangers is the only thing I might agree on but I'd say tweak it a little, not necessarily nerf it.0 -
CTraveler✭✭✭So basically everything but the one attack set is OP? Then Let's make that one attack set more powerful to compensate instead of nerfing everything else!
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Tweek✭✭✭Dekkameron wrote: »Wait, so what classes in your view ARNT OP then? you seem to have covered pretty much everything..
I believe that a tank is just right as of right now. Shield bashing is not OP and every DPS class is OP. If you nerf the shield then increase my ability to defend with said shield. A shield should mitigate 50% of all damage if shield bash is ineffective because then I will not be able to do damage with my weapon line.Just fatty troll trying to distract us from shieldbash spam,which he only use.
1. I'm really skinny.....
2. I brought it up.
3. I have an alt.....I also use my other skills trees other than one handed....I wouldn't just use one handed seeing as how it does no DPS at all.
Edited by Tweek on April 21, 2014 11:03PM1 -
Tweek✭✭✭Rangers is the only thing I might agree on but I'd say tweak it a little, not necessarily nerf it.
Nah Rangers should be nerfed along with all classes that can two shot enemies......all of them do 800+ DPS and I do 300-400 when I'm spamming shield bash.....if I'm just slashing away I do 175. I'm also using a level 50 weapon.
One Handed needs a defense boost....leave everything else
Two Handed needs nerf.
Dual Wielding needs a nerf.
Rangers really need a nerf.
Mages REALLY need a nerf.
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Daggers✭✭✭I think if I make an MMO, I'll have no weapons or armour, and everyone will be loincloth-wearing barbarians with nothing but bear knuckle fighting - and no skill tree either, because then someone might choose a better skill than you, which would be unfair.
That still doesn't solve the problem of someone using the same skill better than you though. Not sure what to do about that
(personally I think the whole game is far too easy anyway, apart from the odd difficult-through-bad-design encounters, but there's plenty threads for that already)The best things in life make you sweaty.
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Dalriaden✭✭✭
Maybe I'm sleepy but I still can't tell if you're serious haha. Sorry
My Bash Avg DPS(LVL VT 1) = 309.87
My Mage(LVL 40) Avg DPS= 589.21
I'm serious.
are those numbers off the same level mob of the same class?0 -
Charwyn✭✭I tried 1h/shield after playing with bows/staves and my main with dual wield.
It was awesome.1 -
Drazhar14✭✭✭✭✭Creating builds is OP, we should be able to equip any weapon and random skills and be able to 1-hit kill things no matter what!
Seriously though, the way I see it, melee attacks should always do more damage than ranged attacks (swords should do more damage than bow). The only exception would be magic users - they do high damage from range but have low armor. Higher risk, higher reward. Only problem is, mages can wear heavy armor if they want. Breaking moulds is OP (sarcasm again).1 -
Tweek✭✭✭chantry.hammondub17_ESO wrote: »
Maybe I'm sleepy but I still can't tell if you're serious haha. Sorry
My Bash Avg DPS(LVL VT 1) = 309.87
My Mage(LVL 40) Avg DPS= 589.21
I'm serious.
are those numbers off the same level mob of the same class?
Yup.
In cyrodil.2 -
KORJ✭✭I play with a two-handed\shield weapons
tank sorcerer
please ... remove critical strike damage from the shield bash
and Buff two-handed weaponFROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE0 -
Tweek✭✭✭I think if I make an MMO, I'll have no weapons or armour, and everyone will be loincloth-wearing barbarians with nothing but bear knuckle fighting - and no skill tree either, because then someone might choose a better skill than you, which would be unfair.
That still doesn't solve the problem of someone using the same skill better than you though. Not sure what to do about that
(personally I think the whole game is far too easy anyway, apart from the odd difficult-through-bad-design encounters, but there's plenty threads for that already)
Oh it most certainly is.
I only made this thread to counteract all the noobs complaining about shield bash.
IMO leave it as is, as it is the only means of inflicting damage as a 1H.....also add more defense to 1H if nerfed.1 -
crimsonBZD✭✭So what I'm hearing is that
Mages are OP
Tanks are OP
any sort of Long Range is OP
Healers are OP
Maybe we just want to ask for an increase of difficulty in the game if everything is OP.3 -
Majic✭✭✭✭✭Rock is overpowered, but paper is perfect.
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