Two Handers, Dual Wielding, Mages, and Rangers are OP

  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    Every class and spec is OP, lets just nerf everything to do 1 damage.
  • Valethar
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    Apparently this guy has never actually played an mmo before now. LOL

    Mages have always tended to do higher damage than sword & board, etc.. It's a tradeoff. They get more damage to counter their weaker armor. Classes that wear heavier armor get generally lower damage because they have better survivability.

    Your inability to play a class properly doesn't make everything else OP.
    Edited by Valethar on April 22, 2014 1:45AM
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  • Agobi
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    Dear devs.

    Scissors is fine,nerf paper!

    Sincerely

    Rock.
  • Zolyok
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    MMh everybody is op that's your problem ?
    Ah no the 1h/s bash spamming is not OP ... but it's one of the most " lolilol boring'but'effective " build charge > bash > bash > bash > bash > bash bye bye .... bashing 300 damage per second while stunning for 2 sec on each hit

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JWjeWorgRrU

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  • gunplummer
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    There are very few quests in the game that are level equal, being 2-3 levels higher makes for a smooth quest with limited frustration. Sure you may die, but not for 2 straight hours. If anything the characters should be buffed, PvE would be horrible if they nerfed skills any more especially for solo players.
  • Tweek
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    Donarion wrote: »
    Tweek wrote: »
    Bwaite43 wrote: »
    you forgot /sarcasm

    Are you mad your class needs to be nerfed?

    They're op and you know it, IMO one handed should do more damage.

    Are you serious? You need to play a different class then. No way one-handed does anywhere close to the amount of damage a dual-wield or two-handed build does, and they're not supposed to. One-handed is for tanks, and tanks don't do a lot of damage. I can maybe see an argument for raising their defense a bit.

    Than raise the defense from blocking....and we cannot do damage at all other than bashing with that skill tree.....hence the forum post.
    Edited by Tweek on April 21, 2014 9:19PM
  • Tweek
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    Elvikun wrote: »
    The awkward moment when you can't decide whether it's sarcasm or not. Hopefully it is. You never know tho, looking around the forums.

    Not trolling I'm super cereal here.
  • Andurol
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    Typical 1 handed medieval type sword. Figure about 2.5-3 lbs, and usually average a 33 inch blade.

    Typical 2 handed sword around average 3.5 to 4.5 lbs, 44-47 inch blade.

    Typical long bow velocity, I don't know, lets say 180 f/s with an effective range of 250 to 350 yards.

    And well.. fire and lightning is... well, fire and lightning.

    But you know what stops all of them? A shield.

    /thread
  • Elvikun
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    Tweek wrote: »
    Elvikun wrote: »
    The awkward moment when you can't decide whether it's sarcasm or not. Hopefully it is. You never know tho, looking around the forums.

    Not trolling I'm super cereal here.

    Oh good, you should've said it's you, Al, I wouldn't ever doubt you if you stated that in the OP. In that case I agree with everything.
    Andurol wrote: »
    But you know what stops all of them? A shield.
    /thread
    Please, do not ever try to stop lightning with shield. Or fire. Unless you have a really big shield from very specific materials. We do not need some politician attacking ESO because you burned yourself alive as a result of playing it.
    Edited by Elvikun on April 21, 2014 9:46PM
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  • Dekkameron
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    Wait, so what classes in your view ARNT OP then? you seem to have covered pretty much everything..
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  • Knottypine
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    Dekkameron wrote: »
    Wait, so what classes in your view ARNT OP then? you seem to have covered pretty much everything..
    I was just going to ask the same thing.
  • gunplummer
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    Mudcrabs are not OP, if they were it would not take 119k to hit level 50.
  • Heishi
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    Tweek wrote: »
    Heishi wrote: »
    so basically everyone except healer is OP lmao
    I am a healer templar in 7/7 LA and a restore staff - I still demolish stuff. I dunno....

    No HEALERS are massively OP as well.....they're impossible to kill.

    So... then everything but sword and board is op... This means one of two things, user error or this whole complaint should be reworded to sword and shield are underpowered, most likely leading to option 1 user error. I don't play sword and board so I really can't remark on whether it's OP, fine as is, or UP. Judging from other's comments I'm guessing it's fine.

    This is exactly how many MMOs get ruined (among other problems). Group A complains Group B's class is to OP and QQ's until finally Group A gets nerfed. Then Group A ends up QQ that Group B is to OP and it's just not fair. Then Group B gets nerfed. This goes on and eventually nobody can do anything, then PVE people QQ that the enemies are to tough. The enemies get lowered. Then we keep lowering and lowering the bar until we end up with WoW.

    At least 75% of the game is user skill. I have a crafter that only has standard attack and soul trap and I can solo with him pretty well just using those and the proper blocking/combat movement.
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  • DracoBlanc
    Donarion wrote: »
    Tweek wrote: »
    Bwaite43 wrote: »
    you forgot /sarcasm

    Are you mad your class needs to be nerfed?

    They're op and you know it, IMO one handed should do more damage.

    Are you serious? You need to play a different class then. No way one-handed does anywhere close to the amount of damage a dual-wield or two-handed build does, and they're not supposed to. One-handed is for tanks, and tanks don't do a lot of damage. I can maybe see an argument for raising their defense a bit.
    That awkward moment when it finally dawned on me that blocking a caster was doing more dmg than my heavy attack :D
  • Rhythmic
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    Just fatty troll trying to distract us from shieldbash spam,which he only use.
  • Evergnar
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    Rangers is the only thing I might agree on but I'd say tweak it a little, not necessarily nerf it.
  • CTraveler
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    So basically everything but the one attack set is OP? Then Let's make that one attack set more powerful to compensate instead of nerfing everything else! :)
  • Tweek
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    Dekkameron wrote: »
    Wait, so what classes in your view ARNT OP then? you seem to have covered pretty much everything..



    I believe that a tank is just right as of right now. Shield bashing is not OP and every DPS class is OP. If you nerf the shield then increase my ability to defend with said shield. A shield should mitigate 50% of all damage if shield bash is ineffective because then I will not be able to do damage with my weapon line.
    Rhythmic wrote: »
    Just fatty troll trying to distract us from shieldbash spam,which he only use.

    1. I'm really skinny.....

    2. I brought it up.

    3. I have an alt.....I also use my other skills trees other than one handed....I wouldn't just use one handed seeing as how it does no DPS at all.

    Edited by Tweek on April 21, 2014 11:03PM
  • Tweek
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    Evergnar wrote: »
    Rangers is the only thing I might agree on but I'd say tweak it a little, not necessarily nerf it.

    Nah Rangers should be nerfed along with all classes that can two shot enemies......all of them do 800+ DPS and I do 300-400 when I'm spamming shield bash.....if I'm just slashing away I do 175. I'm also using a level 50 weapon.

    One Handed needs a defense boost....leave everything else

    Two Handed needs nerf.

    Dual Wielding needs a nerf.

    Rangers really need a nerf.

    Mages REALLY need a nerf.
  • Tweek
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    CTraveler wrote: »
    So basically everything but the one attack set is OP? Then Let's make that one attack set more powerful to compensate instead of nerfing everything else! :)

    My point exactly......one handed should have more defense.

    Hence the thread.
  • Daggers
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    I think if I make an MMO, I'll have no weapons or armour, and everyone will be loincloth-wearing barbarians with nothing but bear knuckle fighting - and no skill tree either, because then someone might choose a better skill than you, which would be unfair.

    That still doesn't solve the problem of someone using the same skill better than you though. Not sure what to do about that :(

    (personally I think the whole game is far too easy anyway, apart from the odd difficult-through-bad-design encounters, but there's plenty threads for that already)
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  • Dalriaden
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    Tweek wrote: »
    Mace wrote: »
    Tweek wrote: »
    Mace wrote: »
    This thread is a joke right?

    Bash builds are some of the most dangerous out there. Plus I think he named all the other builds

    Bash builds aren't OP......I kill things in two hits with my mage.....and 8 with my bash.....then I'm out of stamina. LOL

    Maybe I'm sleepy but I still can't tell if you're serious haha. Sorry

    My Bash Avg DPS(LVL VT 1) = 309.87

    My Mage(LVL 40) Avg DPS= 589.21

    I'm serious.


    are those numbers off the same level mob of the same class?
  • Charwyn
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    I tried 1h/shield after playing with bows/staves and my main with dual wield.

    It was awesome.
  • Drazhar14
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    Creating builds is OP, we should be able to equip any weapon and random skills and be able to 1-hit kill things no matter what!

    Seriously though, the way I see it, melee attacks should always do more damage than ranged attacks (swords should do more damage than bow). The only exception would be magic users - they do high damage from range but have low armor. Higher risk, higher reward. Only problem is, mages can wear heavy armor if they want. Breaking moulds is OP (sarcasm again).
  • Tweek
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    Tweek wrote: »
    Mace wrote: »
    Tweek wrote: »
    Mace wrote: »
    This thread is a joke right?

    Bash builds are some of the most dangerous out there. Plus I think he named all the other builds

    Bash builds aren't OP......I kill things in two hits with my mage.....and 8 with my bash.....then I'm out of stamina. LOL

    Maybe I'm sleepy but I still can't tell if you're serious haha. Sorry

    My Bash Avg DPS(LVL VT 1) = 309.87

    My Mage(LVL 40) Avg DPS= 589.21

    I'm serious.


    are those numbers off the same level mob of the same class?

    Yup.

    In cyrodil.
  • KORJ
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    I play with a two-handed\shield weapons
    tank sorcerer

    please ... remove critical strike damage from the shield bash
    and Buff two-handed weapon
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  • Tweek
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    Daggers wrote: »
    I think if I make an MMO, I'll have no weapons or armour, and everyone will be loincloth-wearing barbarians with nothing but bear knuckle fighting - and no skill tree either, because then someone might choose a better skill than you, which would be unfair.

    That still doesn't solve the problem of someone using the same skill better than you though. Not sure what to do about that :(

    (personally I think the whole game is far too easy anyway, apart from the odd difficult-through-bad-design encounters, but there's plenty threads for that already)

    Oh it most certainly is.

    I only made this thread to counteract all the noobs complaining about shield bash.
    IMO leave it as is, as it is the only means of inflicting damage as a 1H.....also add more defense to 1H if nerfed.
  • Tweek
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    KORJ wrote: »
    I play with a two-handed\shield weapons
    tank sorcerer

    please ... remove critical strike damage from the shield bash
    and Buff two-handed weapon

    #actuallynottrollingthispost

    Do all this and also add a little more prot to using a shield so it protects for more.

  • crimsonBZD
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    So what I'm hearing is that

    Mages are OP
    Tanks are OP
    any sort of Long Range is OP
    Healers are OP

    Maybe we just want to ask for an increase of difficulty in the game if everything is OP.
  • Majic
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    Rock is overpowered, but paper is perfect.

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