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Make achievements account wide please
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Myxril✭✭✭As a person who has a mild form of OCD known as completionism, I have to say... I'm pretty neutral about the idea.
On one hand, it'd be nice to have cheevs account-wide to encourage making alts in other factions.
On the other hand, you can (presumably) achieve everything listed for all factions. There's also the titles and such you get for completing some of them, which add to the notion that it's better to complete them per-character rather than per-account.
Bottom line; I'm fine with it how it is. If it changed I wouldn't mind. If it never changes I won't mind.'Okay, the question is...(laughter)...the question is, we have Vicious Death sets with Prox Det that are doing double damage from last patch -- they're doing double damage -- and the CP system scales them even more. Prox Dets are doing over 20k, okay? That's before Vicious Death does 15, m'kay? We're talking like 30k+. Okay.
"So, what about the stamina?" Okay. Um "The 2-handed execute skill--" I'm s--I'm sorry. What? The 2-Handed execute? What?! What am I gonna f***ing do?! Am I gonna execute a f***ing zerg with a 2-Handed slice?!'
--Fengrush, ESO Live Review 1:08:18
'He's lucky Im not a part of the company because I would simply ban or delete his account or even make the RNG or his damage ridiculously to stress him out even more.'
--mb10, regarding Fengrush0 -
Alpha_Protocol✭✭✭jy82988ub17_ESO wrote: »Alpha_Protocol wrote: »*While whispering to the young newcomer in low hushed tones so as to not disturb the guard's snoring, the old prisoner's graveled voice was unmistakable*
"I remember once upon a time, a very long time ago; that not all MMO's were exactly the same... In fact some of them tried to do things their own way without following the pack"
"That must have been a very long time ago" said the newcomer.
"Aye" said the old man, "aye, it was indeed..."
Your right we should never improve off others ideas. Take what was great for others and worked well and just say no we're different can't do that we have to make this OG even if it makes it worse than our competitors. I'm sure Apple and Microsoft would of loved to have people with this mentality that if they did it we can't improve on it. Seriously get out of here with this.
You now enjoy the burden of proof. How will the OP suggestion "make the game better or improved"?
Personally, I hated the shared achievements in other games. As others have stated your characters become generic representatives of the account. They have no unique identifier. Furthermore, achievements in and of themselves are absolute s h I t...1 -
Applemoth✭✭jy82988ub17_ESO wrote: »How does doing an achievement on one char and having it on another char ruin the 'value' of said achievement? You still did it [...]
It doesn't ruin the value of the achievement as such - it makes the second character less special because the achievement system says that you already earned it. The character is not so much a unique character as a minion of the player. If that doesn't sound convincing to you, then let me ask you this: why do you feel that once an achievement is earned on one character, there is no point in earning it again on another?
Essentially, we're dealing with two attitudes to achievements that maybe can't be reconciled. When I play RPGs (single player and MMO) I like to create unique characters and explore the game world in a different way with each one. It annoys me that most games nowadays seem to make achievements player-based rather than character-based. Computer RPGs can make the task of tracking a character's achievements much easier, but instead they track the player's achievements, which is much less useful to the way I like to play.
I'm hoping that ESO will continue to cater for my way of thinking about achievements, because precious few games do. Though if there's a sensible way to do both then I wouldn't be against it.3 -
Artis✭✭✭✭✭
✭You whose arguments are about characters being on their own/special/every char should complete achieves or there's nothing to do, etc..
You lack logics
ZOS ALREADY made it so, that the population of Tamriel is PLAYERS, NOT the CHARACTERS they play. Or how will you explain that all your characters are in the same guilds? How can I have two characters(that are "on their own"): templar-crusader in Vampire's clan and a Vampire in some knight order? Or a werewolf in a vampires clan and a vampire in werewolves clan??
The game is about us, players, not about characters.
Just give us account-wide achievements so that we can play whichever class we want without losing our progress. You already screwed up with this whole class system, which is VERY artificial in general and for the Elder Scrolls game in particular. Give us freedom to play different chars then, if we don't have freedom to choose from all the spells with one char(what we expected from the elder scrolls game). Seriously, should I explain how non-account-wide achievements limit us?0 -
Harkrider✭✭✭I love achievements. I spend a large portion of my playtime hunting them down.
But nooooo. Do not ruin achievements by doing this.2 -
Not again...
wow ruined alt´s with their account wide stuff, don't do it with TESO too. If you log into wow today, nobody is doing low level content anymore and this situation got worse with every year since acc wide achievements. It takes away the fun in leveling a new char, if everything is already done.
No it didnt... wow "ruined" it.. they are just achievements.. chees...
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Abigail✭✭✭✭✭Good gracious, NO to account-wide achievements, and this is coming from someone leveling half a dozen alts in unison.6
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MajikMyst✭✭✭jy82988ub17_ESO wrote: »I love going working towards achievements. I would love to level another class to maybe make it my main, but I don't want to have to re-do all the achievements I've already got on my vr2 DK. I'm sure i'm not the only one that feels this way, I feel like i'm pigeon holed into leveling a class that I may not like in the end due to me being a achievement completionist =[
Please don't take this wrong.. But the bottom line here is, if you don't have the time to do all the things you want, then don't play an MMO.. You not having the time or simply not wanting to repeat content is not a reason to make a suggestion of this type..
Account wide achievements are a bad idea and are only requested by those that don't want to play the game.. You said it yourself.. You don't want to redo all the achievements..
Alts on an MMO are typically meant to be individual characters that should benefit very little from other characters on the account.. Just because you do something on one character doesn't mean all your characters should share in the reward.. Each character is unique and should be viewed as such.. What is next?? Making an alt that is already max level??
If you don't want to redo all the content and achievements over again with an alt.. Don't create any alts.. Simple as that..
Sorry.. This is a bad idea all the way around.. It has the potential to ruin the game for other players.. Other than enabling the lazy among us, I see no upside to this idea..
Please don't take this wrong.. But I have watched a number of MMO's fall into the crapper because the publisher listened to people that didn't actually want to play the game.. It is a trap that many publishers fall into.. From WOW to GW2 to SWTOR and many others..Edited by MajikMyst on April 28, 2014 4:01PM1 -
MajikMyst✭✭✭jy82988ub17_ESO wrote: »How does doing an achievement on one char and having it on another char ruin the 'value' of said achievement? You still did it, you have the knowledge of how to do it, but you may not want to go thru the long journey of doing it all over again. I can't understand how this ruins the 'essence' of your char. It has the achievement via the account, but it hasnt actually chosen any path.
If you could please give a reason, or a scenario when it would play into ruining your chars 'essence' whatever that may be.
Ok.. Pay attention here..
You the player is irrelevant.. When character A does an achievement, characters B and C have not.. Are you with me so far???
You are asking for short cuts with alts because you do not want to do them again.. That is your own personal problem and not something that needs to be addressed in the game..
Character A is completely separate from Character B just as both are separate from Character C.. What is next?? I leveled one character, why aren't my alts leveled too??
If this is such an issue for you, then don't make alts.. Otherwise live with the idea that you will have to play the game again on the alt.. What else are alts for but to play the game again and try different strategies and builds.. Nobody is forcing you to get the achievements.. You are asking for a lot of work and changes to the program to satisfy your need to complete everything.. Like I said.. That is a personal issue.. Not a reason to ask for changes in the game..
As for improving on ideas.. Sure.. Usually there has to be a good idea to start out with.. Let me know when you come up with one..
And please don't ask people to leave just because someone doesn't agree with you..Edited by MajikMyst on April 27, 2014 10:20AM3 -
I don't think I have ever clicked agree so many times in one thread. NOOOOOOO! I do not want account wide achievements. I didn't even play WOW that much and I was still disappointed when they added account-wide achievements. The game really lost something for me.
I am glad that ZOS created a game that is DIFFERENT. If I wanted a game that is just like WOW I would play WOW. I play ESO because its a different world, with different rules. It lets me play my character's the way I want. Each character is different, with a different story and reason why they make choices that they do. It immerses me in the game, and I don't exist for alittle while. My character exists, and I am watching her story unfold before me from the minute I click play until I choose to log out.
Please leave the achievements the way they are. Let me EARN each and every one.
Mara's Tester
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Some achievements should be account wide, but only some of them..
I remember cube hunting in swtor.. took days.. and do the same thing over on every char ?.. plain stupid , especially since there was legacy system...
but when it comes to achievments , some of them like harvesting 18723891273891273817 nods could be account wide... but when it comes to skyshards, dungeons, quests , exploration etc, I think its good as it is..0 -
Artis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Alts on an MMO are typically meant to be individual characters that should benefit very little from other characters on the account.. Just because you do something on one character doesn't mean all your characters should share in the reward.. Each character is unique and should be viewed as such.. What is next?? Making an alt that is already max level??
If you don't want to redo all the content and achievements over again with an alt.. Don't create any alts.. Simple as that..
this is simply hypocrite. How will you explain that all your characters are in the same guilds? How can I have two characters(that are "on their own"): templar-crusader in Vampire's clan and a Vampire in some knight order? Or a werewolf in a vampires clan and a vampire in werewolves clan??
Or you're saying that characters are supposed to be individual only when it's convenient for you to say it?
And yes, of course achievements should be account wide. TES game is supposed to have a lot of freedom. And it's *** if I can't level the 2nd character in Cyrodil only, for example, and then would have to go to my 1st character to link some achievements.Edited by Artis on April 27, 2014 4:55PM0 -
MajikMyst✭✭✭Alts on an MMO are typically meant to be individual characters that should benefit very little from other characters on the account.. Just because you do something on one character doesn't mean all your characters should share in the reward.. Each character is unique and should be viewed as such.. What is next?? Making an alt that is already max level??
If you don't want to redo all the content and achievements over again with an alt.. Don't create any alts.. Simple as that..
this is simply hypocrite. How will you explain that all your characters are in the same guilds? How can I have two characters(that are "on their own"): templar-crusader in Vampire's clan and a Vampire in some knight order? Or a werewolf in a vampires clan and a vampire in werewolves clan??
Or you're saying that characters are supposed to be individual only when it's convenient for you to say it?
You are saying my post is hypocritical when you don't even seem to understand the difference between a guild and game content.. You do know that the topic of this thread is about making achievements account wide?? How does that have anything to do with guilds??
Where in any of my posts have I even addressed the issue in which you are saying my post is hypocritical for??
Put simply, your post is off topic.. If you want to discuss guilds and guild membership, start a new thread.. There is nothing hypocritical about my post.. I don't have to explain anything because guilds is not relevant to this this thread or topic..Edited by MajikMyst on April 28, 2014 6:06AM0 -
Im against this idea
why should my second character say I got all the shards ahead of time
all awards for doing all of of Glenumbra when Im stiill in Coldharbor or SM?
what if my kids runs the second or third character or my mate?
wouldn't they want to earn it on their own and keep their own tabs on their progress
I can see two copies or three if we want to play online at the same time .
Id have to get a third PC then
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Nathan✭I'm VR1 and i missed some group dungeon in early zones. If I complete these in veteran mode (i can't do it in normal mode anymore) can I unlock the achievement?Edited by Nathan on April 28, 2014 7:16AM0 -
Artis✭✭✭✭✭
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You are saying my post is hypocritical when you don't even seem to understand the difference between a guild and game content.. You do know that the topic of this thread is about making achievements account wide?? How does that have anything to do with guilds??
Where in any of my posts have I even addressed the issue in which you are saying my post is hypocritical for??
Put simply, your post is off topic.. If you want to discuss guilds and guild membership, start a new thread.. There is nothing hypocritical about my post.. I don't have to explain anything because guilds is not relevant to this this thread or topic..
My post is not off topic. My post is showing that the game IS ALREADY not about individual characters.. For alternatively gifted, who don't see it themselves.
So if my vampire can be in werewolves guild whether he wants it or not, there is ABSOLUTELY NO reason for him not to be able to flash my werewolf's achievement, when someone will ask him to prove that he knows how to do certain dungeons or to prove that he plays long enough.
Achievement - is something that is rewarded TO A PLAYER, not to a character. Characters don't know that such interface even exist lol. They "live" in that world and don't even see "Achievement unlocked" when they unlock one.
Answering your question, your post is hypocritical, because when it's convenient for you to interpret so, you say about individual characters that have nothing in common with each other, on the other hand, when it's inconvenient, you start bringing something about differences between a guild and game content... As if it matters. As if guilds are for players but the game is not played by them /facepalm.
It is hypocrite to say, that it's not your character who is a member of a guild, but you. But it's not you who get the achievement, but your character. Non sense. It's very artificial to notice the difference between players and their toons only in chosen things.
All those posts can be summed up as:
"I want other players to suffer and do everything, that they have done before, again. Although, account-wide achievements don't change anything at all for me personally, I don't want others to enjoy the game the way they want. And if they leveled a character all the way to VR10 and then understood that they want something else, I want them to do everything again. Because I don't want this game to be a TES game, where players never had to do it again. Or to sacrifice 9 skill lines without knowing how they work. So I want them to pay for making a choice that can't be fixed later."
It's like something happened when you were a kid.. or why do you hate others so much? WHy do you want to limit them and force them to play only one char? Because, you know, it takes a long time to reach VR 10 and to get all the achievements to continue progressing as a player(but with a new char). And a lot of people(including me) will be forced to play that one char,because otherwise ... You can't even level in Cyro, without questing, because you will want achievement so you will need to do all the quests again. And that is only interesting when you are doing it for the first time. Not when you already know all the endings.0 -
Gibber✭I agree that skyshards and quests should be toon-specific. But, killing rare Anchor mobs, nodes farmed, chests opened, class/race kills in PvP, etc. is not unreasonable to have account-wide.0 -
Faustes✭✭✭Agreed. Certain achievements should be account-wide.
The current system disincentives rolling alts0 -
Make sense for certain...unique achievements.
For instance, let's just say there was an achievement for single-handedly defending a keep as a vampire, or something crazy like that. Then that should not be account wide.0 -
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✭✭Agreed. Certain achievements should be account-wide.
The current system disincentives rolling alts
Account wide achievements lower the reason to make alts, not the other way around
Since wow has acc wide achievements, people stopped playing multiple chars as they have everything centered on one single char.
The incentive to play several chars is gone, which is a pity.Edited by Audigy on May 4, 2014 4:14AM0 -
Reignskream✭✭✭✭Not again...
wow ruined alt´s with their account wide stuff, don't do it with TESO too. If you log into wow today, nobody is doing low level content anymore and this situation got worse with every year since acc wide achievements. It takes away the fun in leveling a new char, if everything is already done.
This.
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SeiferXJ9Soul ShrivenTurkeyBurgers wrote: »Guys...guys listen...guys...hey guys...guys...listen to this..hey guys...listen...listen to this...guys...
I got an idea...guys...why don't we ...guys...listen...
Why don't we....why don't we make a optional button to press to make all achievements account wide/per individual character so you can pick which you want!
Why not both?
Skooma brand taco shells a fiesta in every potion!
I agree with this guy, even in Wow though the achievements were Account Wide, The Achievements could still be unlocked individually with a New Alt. They kept track of which character achieved it and which ones still need to do it.
Me Personally i'm tired of having to Re-Achieve these Achievements over and over. Add more Achievements for me to do and make em Account Wide.1 -
Dominoid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well it's confirmed that dyes tied to achievements are account wide.
Details: http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2a4jl4/dyes_will_be_unlocked_accountwide/0 -
Amiarah✭✭✭NO please omg no
Why does everyone want everything handed to them? If that character didn´t achieve that goal, the character didn´t earn the achievement.
Noone forces you to do anything.1 -
Evergnar✭✭✭✭✭
✭I kind of like it the way it is with individual character achievements. Actually lets me know what I have or haven't done on that character. Not a big deal either way and it's nice to see Zos mix it up a bit with things like the dye system which I believe is account wide.Edited by Evergnar on July 28, 2014 7:09PM0 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭no just no.....That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain0 -
Dubah✭✭✭I don't know if this was mentioned lol, all i read was the OP's post. But your achievements themselves will not be account wide, however the dyes you unlock via achievements will be. So if you earn character level 50 achieve the dye will be unlocked for all your chars account wide but will not have the achievement points for any alternative characters0
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✭Yeap , i wish they would share the most possible around the whole account.
If i didnt have to start it all over again on each char , i would consider making an alt.
While they remain making us pretty much start from 0 each time , im not going to waste my time doing it."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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balrog9731_ESOSoul Shrivenjy82988ub17_ESO wrote: »Alpha_Protocol wrote: »*While whispering to the young newcomer in low hushed tones so as to not disturb the guard's snoring, the old prisoner's graveled voice was unmistakable*
"I remember once upon a time, a very long time ago; that not all MMO's were exactly the same... In fact some of them tried to do things their own way without following the pack"
"That must have been a very long time ago" said the newcomer.
"Aye" said the old man, "aye, it was indeed..."
Your right we should never improve off others ideas. Take what was great for others and worked well and just say no we're different can't do that we have to make this OG even if it makes it worse than our competitors. I'm sure Apple and Microsoft would of loved to have people with this mentality that if they did it we can't improve on it. Seriously get out of here with this.
Your sarcasm detector must be broke, (s)he was doing a 'good old days' scene recalling a time before advertising the same old crap was the most profitable way to run a MMO.
And 'no' to all achievements being global. Adding some that are would be fine, but globally unlocking Dyes is enough for me.0
