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People botting in EVERY public dungeon...
Drazz91
Soul Shriven
Are we even going to try and stop this...
Last one had like 9 templars...they killed so fast no one even had a chance to tag for a chance at loot.
Might want to get a bit more proactive at stopping this.
oh wait..I forgot....you get a monthly sub for every bot account!
Last one had like 9 templars...they killed so fast no one even had a chance to tag for a chance at loot.
Might want to get a bit more proactive at stopping this.
oh wait..I forgot....you get a monthly sub for every bot account!
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GGdotCom✭Yeah I've noticed this is a huge problem at the lower levels, have yet to see a bot anywhere in VR content. Hopefully you will out level them at some point until they are dealt with.2
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Korusus✭✭KefkaGestahl wrote: »I thought the patch put in a timer. Is that for a future patch?
No mention of when it's actually going to be put in. Hopefully they are thinking up more proactive solutions because the timer isn't going to stop a 24/7 bot.
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Tetrasoli✭✭✭how does the bot pick up loots?
Bots are complex programs that can utilize a wide range of methods of interacting with the game client. For instance, bots can read the areas of memory that the game is utilizing, interpret what that area means and inject code that changes the behavior of the client or issues a command. Some read pixels on the screen and react, some hook into other game functions, unlock the LUA, interact with the API, etc. Mostly, though, it's through memory edits. Basically, if there is a system in place for a user to interact with the world, a bot can do it easily.Edited by Tetrasoli on April 19, 2014 2:12AM1 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Was in a public dungeon earlier with this very problem. Four or five people standing immobile around the boss spawn, taking him down in about one or two seconds at most. Impossible for me to collect any loot at all. Best I could hope for was to get at least one hit in so I get credit for the dungeon. That took three spawns by the way.Edited by Glurin on April 19, 2014 2:12AM"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."9 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have been staying out of dungeons, but I quickly finished off my last three public dungeons in Auridon earlier this evening and no bots in any of them. Or, if they were bots, they were moving around an awful lot.
Maybe the ones I was in are not frequented by the bot guild. They were closer to the top of the map instead of in the lower half.
Maybe I will go look in Del's Claim and see what's up now.
Edit: Not in this instance. A few (four) players farming the boss, but no bots.Edited by Elsonso on April 19, 2014 2:23AMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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LadyChaos✭✭✭✭
spam killing a mob is not bottingAre we even going to try and stop this...
Last one had like 9 templars...they killed so fast no one even had a chance to tag for a chance at loot.
Might want to get a bit more proactive at stopping this.
oh wait..I forgot....you get a monthly sub for every bot account!
farming a mob is not botting
kiling hte same mob u want for whatever they want under the same TOS agreement is not botting, it is only annoying.
1 is bannable the other is requesting help to resolve...
people who report legitimate camps as bots, not tooooo far off the other side the spectrum of problems. MMO = slight level of tolerance for fellow gamers needs.
example:
I'm 41, xxx zone dungeon mob was unavailable to me, I return wait in circle to kill it like many others.... bam he spawns i get my credit move on... How about the guys who just need 1 set of loot only drops from this guy... they arn't botters.
Every jerk who is annoying you is not a botter (some might just be jerks), only the ones who are using 3rd party programs to run for them... and at 41 no lie I haven't been effected yet. I might just be blessed.Edited by LadyChaos on April 19, 2014 2:19AMVR2 Ataxia - [NA] Veteran Dominion Sorcerer [Auriel's Bow]
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hukaka✭how does the bot pick up loots?
Bots are complex programs that can utilize a wide range of methods of interacting with the game client. For instance, bots can read the areas of memory that the game is utilizing, interpret what that area means and inject code that changes the behavior of the client or issues a command. Some read pixels on the screen and react, some hook into other game functions, unlock the LUA, interact with the API, etc. Mostly, though, it's through memory edits. Basically, if there is a system in place for a user to interact with the world, a bot can do it easily.
do you think the bot designer can do a better job than current employee in ESO team
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Drazz91Soul Shriven
spam killing a mob is not bottingAre we even going to try and stop this...
Last one had like 9 templars...they killed so fast no one even had a chance to tag for a chance at loot.
Might want to get a bit more proactive at stopping this.
oh wait..I forgot....you get a monthly sub for every bot account!
farming a mob is not botting
kiling hte same mob u want for whatever they want under the same TOS agreement is not botting, it is only annoying.
1 is bannable the other is requesting help to resolve...
people who report legitimate camps as bots, not tooooo far off the other side the spectrum of problems. MMO = slight level of tolerance for fellow gamers needs.
example:
I'm 41, xxx zone dungeon mob was unavailable to me, I return wait in circle to kill it like many others.... bam he spawns i get my credit move on... How about the guys who just need 1 set of loot only drops from this guy... they arn't botters.
Every jerk who is annoying you is not a botter (some might just be jerks), only the ones who are using 3rd party programs to run for them... and at 41 no lie I haven't been effected yet. I might just be blessed.
Lets revisit your attempt at sensible conversation. 9+ players ALL attacking at exactly the same moment and all running together as a giant GROUPED pack to chase any mobs you drag near then = botting.
Any more attempts at justification please just leave in your head. I know the difference between a bot group and a group of players farming.6 -
Are we even going to try and stop this...
Last one had like 9 templars...they killed so fast no one even had a chance to tag for a chance at loot.
Might want to get a bit more proactive at stopping this.
oh wait..I forgot....you get a monthly sub for every bot account!
I agree there are alot of bots but not every one you see farming some thing is a bot lol.Brave New World.0 -
Korusus✭✭Every jerk who is annoying you is not a botter (some might just be jerks), only the ones who are using 3rd party programs to run for them... and at 41 no lie I haven't been effected yet. I might just be blessed.
Actually it sounds more like you don't know a bot when you see one. If you want hours and hours of entertainment, go to youtube and search "ESO bots".2 -
A bot is a third party program. A macro program is not a bot regardless of what you think. Multiboxing using a macro isn't a bot unless you're actually truly multiboxing which also requires third party programs.Every jerk who is annoying you is not a botter (some might just be jerks), only the ones who are using 3rd party programs to run for them... and at 41 no lie I haven't been effected yet. I might just be blessed.
Actually it sounds more like you don't know a bot when you see one. If you want hours and hours of entertainment, go to youtube and search "ESO bots".Brave New World.0 -
Tetrasoli✭✭✭how does the bot pick up loots?
Bots are complex programs that can utilize a wide range of methods of interacting with the game client. For instance, bots can read the areas of memory that the game is utilizing, interpret what that area means and inject code that changes the behavior of the client or issues a command. Some read pixels on the screen and react, some hook into other game functions, unlock the LUA, interact with the API, etc. Mostly, though, it's through memory edits. Basically, if there is a system in place for a user to interact with the world, a bot can do it easily.
do you think the bot designer can do a better job than current employee in ESO team
It's a cat and mouse game that's been going on since the dawn of online games (Punkbuster anyone?). I guess in some way it's a symbiotic relationship. But seriously, it's really hard to make a game that can detect things on your computer without treading dangerously close to privacy violation. Take a look at this:
http://www.iis.sinica.edu.tw/~swc/pub/bot_identification.html0 -
NorricSoul ShrivenAre we even going to try and stop this...
Last one had like 9 templars...they killed so fast no one even had a chance to tag for a chance at loot.
Might want to get a bit more proactive at stopping this.
oh wait..I forgot....you get a monthly sub for every bot account!
Farming a public dungeon is a great way to get crafting mats, and a bit of gold particularly when your waiting for the rest of your friends to get online before questing/dungeon raiding.1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Clotholachesisatropos666b14_ESO wrote: »A bot is a third party program. A macro program is not a bot regardless of what you think. Multiboxing using a macro isn't a bot unless you're actually truly multiboxing which also requires third party programs.
I think for our purposes, it is easier to define a bot as something that is capable of running the character while the player is AFK. Combat macros are not as useful in ESO as they are in other games.
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Daethz✭✭✭I bet you half of these Suspected "Bots" are actually people sitting around waiting for boss spawns to get loot. I wait for the boss to re spawn in every public dungeon until I get the signature blue drop.Waiting, and watching, for the return of Melee Weapons.
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Makkir✭✭✭✭✭
✭@LadyChaos I would imagine at your level it would take 20+ botters a substantial amount of time to reach that point to bot those public dungeons. The problem I have seen is in the low level dungeons. In the Tower just outside Daggerfall there were about 20 level 4 characters with gibberish names (ghfj, tyreh, akfhv, dgdf, etc etc) all stacked on top of each other. I pulled one of the mobs near them and all of them moved in the same direction and killed the mob. They are running a script. They are bots. They ARE a problem.2 -
i was just in a dungeon and soooooo many bots around the boss Icould not get a hit in. It was rediculous. Then when i tried to leave, go through the door, my game just hung on the waiting screen.0 -
Anoteros✭✭✭✭
Apparently it was 'patch discussion' not actual patching it.KefkaGestahl wrote: »I thought the patch put in a timer. Is that for a future patch?
Regardless a loot timer will do jack nothing.
Dungeons need to be instanced like the group dungeons, a limit to how many can be entered and no respawning bosses...you know like how other more successful MMORPG's do things.1 -
Carnage2K4✭✭✭✭Frankly, if they start powering up seconds before the boss spawns, they are bots and I report them.Human Infant Connoisseur0 -
Knottypine✭✭✭
This.Daethzb14_ESO wrote: »I bet you half of these Suspected "Bots" are actually people sitting around waiting for boss spawns to get loot. I wait for the boss to re spawn in every public dungeon until I get the signature blue drop.
And I'm sure the reporting system gets abused by people who get annoyed with the way someone is playing. A crowd of people were doing this in a public dungeon and one of them complained to me because I used my chain to pull the mini boss to me. lol
That doesn't even make sense... from what I can tell those mini bosses are not on a strict timer, I believe it's based on when someone enters the dungeon. So you are technically abusing the reporting system if you just 'think' someone is botting with only basing it on that.Carnage2K4 wrote: »Frankly, if they start powering up seconds before the boss spawns, they are bots and I report them.Edited by Knottypine on April 19, 2014 3:52AM1 -
BKTHNDR✭✭✭
spam killing a mob is not bottingAre we even going to try and stop this...
Last one had like 9 templars...they killed so fast no one even had a chance to tag for a chance at loot.
Might want to get a bit more proactive at stopping this.
oh wait..I forgot....you get a monthly sub for every bot account!
farming a mob is not botting
kiling hte same mob u want for whatever they want under the same TOS agreement is not botting, it is only annoying.
1 is bannable the other is requesting help to resolve...
people who report legitimate camps as bots, not tooooo far off the other side the spectrum of problems. MMO = slight level of tolerance for fellow gamers needs.
example:
I'm 41, xxx zone dungeon mob was unavailable to me, I return wait in circle to kill it like many others.... bam he spawns i get my credit move on... How about the guys who just need 1 set of loot only drops from this guy... they arn't botters.
Every jerk who is annoying you is not a botter (some might just be jerks), only the ones who are using 3rd party programs to run for them... and at 41 no lie I haven't been effected yet. I might just be blessed.
Pay attention to character names the next time you reach a boss in a public dungeon. Anyone with a name like "jsowkemidjs" is a bot and should be reported. You'll only ever see people with random, jumbled names camping bosses.1 -
Anoteros✭✭✭✭
READ.
Apparently it was 'patch discussion' not actual patching it.KefkaGestahl wrote: »I thought the patch put in a timer. Is that for a future patch?
Regardless a loot timer will do jack nothing.
Dungeons need to be instanced like the group dungeons, a limit to how many can be entered and no respawning bosses...you know like how other more successful MMORPG's do things.
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Knottypine✭✭✭
Not necessarily. But with that kind of name camping a boss is 99.9% chance a bot or gold seller. A lot of real legit players will also camp bosses though for the loot.Pay attention to character names the next time you reach a boss in a public dungeon. Anyone with a name like "jsowkemidjs" is a bot and should be reported. You'll only ever see people with random, jumbled names camping bosses.
Edited by Knottypine on April 19, 2014 4:04AM0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pay attention to character names the next time you reach a boss in a public dungeon. Anyone with a name like "jsowkemidjs" is a bot and should be reported. You'll only ever see people with random, jumbled names camping bosses.
This is not necessarily true. I have seen characters with "random" names like that chase after the boss when it gets chain pulled by a DK or run over to the boss after the fight to collect loot.
To me, the random gibberish name is a sign of a 'disposable character'. A character that they can delete when it becomes too high level to get loot. There can easily be a live person running that character.
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Genomic✭✭✭✭✭Eh, if they functionally act the same way in-game as a piece of cheating code, they deserve to be reported and banned as well.
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I'm looking at so many bots in Ondil. If there was collision in game I wouldn't be able to move past them. there's always 10+ bots in Ondil on screen. Glad to have picked up my last tome and rid myself of that place. But I'm also one more "inch" closer to uninstalling. ;/0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Meh. The bots do not concern me.
What concerns me are the players that spend their entire game play standing around some boss just to get blue drops.
I mean, seriously, is that fun to do?
So, yeah, I am interested in timers and other things like bosses that don't respawn until the character leaves the instance just so that it is a little harder to farm those drops.
It should not be that easy.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Sakiri✭✭✭✭✭
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A stack of templars with gibberish names all spearing in a rhythm that can be predicted with a watch and act robotically is most cetainly a bot.
spam killing a mob is not bottingAre we even going to try and stop this...
Last one had like 9 templars...they killed so fast no one even had a chance to tag for a chance at loot.
Might want to get a bit more proactive at stopping this.
oh wait..I forgot....you get a monthly sub for every bot account!
farming a mob is not botting
kiling hte same mob u want for whatever they want under the same TOS agreement is not botting, it is only annoying.
1 is bannable the other is requesting help to resolve...
people who report legitimate camps as bots, not tooooo far off the other side the spectrum of problems. MMO = slight level of tolerance for fellow gamers needs.
example:
I'm 41, xxx zone dungeon mob was unavailable to me, I return wait in circle to kill it like many others.... bam he spawns i get my credit move on... How about the guys who just need 1 set of loot only drops from this guy... they arn't botters.
Every jerk who is annoying you is not a botter (some might just be jerks), only the ones who are using 3rd party programs to run for them... and at 41 no lie I haven't been effected yet. I might just be blessed.
Note theyre all templars. You dont need a target to use the spear attack. Theyre using a program to push 1 every few seconds. Had a group of them that would all rush to the mob when it spawned, even after it was pulled away.
They then all go back to the same place.
Farming isnt a bot. A bot is a program doing it for you. Youre either dense or just dumb. Sorry.
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