Request to Remove Veteran Bonus in Cyrodiil.

Xsorus

Censorious wrote: »

Zenimax are turning Cyrodiil into an end-game-only mode.

That's not good. It's not as advertised and it will make the game much poorer if you can't level alts through PvP.
GW2 got this right but Zenimax are taking this game back to WoW's model of one-shot ganking of lowbies.

Right now I'm still having fun at Lvl 35 but it's getting harder to get a fair fight.
Pity.

Rofl.. Did you just say GW2 got it right?

A. As an under leveled in GW2, You have about zero chance of ever killing me on any of my toons in WvW that are level 80....in fact It would take quite a few of you to even come close to taking down my Bunker Ranger before i killed you all.

B. You can do exactly the same thing underlvled in GW2 do in this game, Which is zerg....Don't run around solo and expect to take a VR10 on just like any underlvled in GW2 expects to take an 80 on.

TheGrandAlliance

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

B. You can do exactly the same thing underlvled in GW2 do in this game, Which is zerg....Don't run around solo and expect to take a VR10 on just like any underlvled in GW2 expects to take an 80 on.

Not anymore... With vamps and the like: They are immune to seige. Thus you cannot even touch em indeed....

Cydone

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

B. You can do exactly the same thing underlvled in GW2 do in this game, Which is zerg....Don't run around solo and expect to take a VR10 on just like any underlvled in GW2 expects to take an 80 on.

Not anymore... With vamps and the like: They are immune to seige. Thus you cannot even touch em indeed....

Really, just go back to pve. Wait for Craglorn to come out and you can do that.

TheGrandAlliance

Cydone wrote: »

Really, just go back to pve. Wait for Craglorn to come out and you can do that.

Way to go... greifing the PvPers out there.

Having a OP situation... and then complaining about it being changed... is worse then being a low lvl. You WANT the game to be /easymode instead of making it balanced: Why should this game based on the movie "Twilight" whereas everyone is a vamp/WW.

If you want /easymode WoW is < there.

Cydone

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Really, just go back to pve. Wait for Craglorn to come out and you can do that.

Way to go... greifing the PvPers out there.

Having a OP situation... and then complaining about it being changed... is worse then being a low lvl. You WANT the game to be /easymode instead of making it balanced: Why should this game based on the movie "Twilight" whereas everyone is a vamp/WW.

If you want /easymode WoW is < there.

No, I like and want a challenge. But saying that because a FEW ppl are taking advantage of a current build, that I admit needs to be nerfed, DOESN'T mean that everyone is running that setup.....like you are implying.

Oh and I've never played WoW past the 15mins I did play with a free trail. Bad game is bad.

Faolanhart

So long as there is a level cap this shouldn't be an issue.
I don't have a veteran rank character myself, best I have so far is my main, lvl 47 & he's done just fine so far.
I'm not the best at PVP, hell this is the first time I've bothered with it in an MMO.
But, I've taken out a veteran player or two when it's 1 on 1. Best so far was knocking a vet 3 Khajiit Nightblade into the water to be eaten by slaughterfish after he tried to ambush me whilst I was hunting for skyshards. Few people have a workaround for my fire staff whack attack or my Nightblade fear ability.

Point being have patience & build up your own character, you can always respec, it has been pretty cheap to do so, even when I did it at level 44 since I don't spend my skill-points willy-nilly.
PVP is just as much part of the progression as the main game is, you'll see yourself get better as you level & find good skill combos.

Kolur

crowfl56 wrote: »

Griefers will always rule in any pvp portion of a game. VR is just another way for the pro pvp player to grief. IMO, no player should be able to solo more that 2 or 3 other players. PVP is great and exciting, until you run into people that take advantage of a game system tailored to the griefer.

You are exactly the type of garbage that needs to be thrown out of Gaming communities.

''no one should be able to solo 2 or 3 other players''
Oh okey, cause that Is 100% logical.
ofc, No one can 1 vs 3 If the other 3 are actually coordinating.
If those other 3 guys actually have proper PvP builds and CC chain and heal accordingly. then no one can 1 v 3 them.
But If they all just rush Him, (xD stupid *** u forgot to use buffs and CC)
Then you all deserve to die...
In PvP It's about using the best build and use proper Teamwork and CC chains and Heals and Buffs...

Wolfaen

Harming wrote: »

I keep seeing this crying and just can't understand it. This is not a MOBA or FPS, it's an mmo. There's nothing stoping people from puting in the time to level and gear except their own laziness. Everyone maxes out at relatively the same spot. Get there then complain about balance issues.
~Harming

Actually there are a lot of us that can't play 10 hours a day to get to 50 in a couple weeks due to real life, work, family, etc. I get lucky if I can play 2-3 hours in a day. You're blatantly calling casuals lazy? I wish I could sit infront of the computer all day and have my mom order pizza in for me and cater to all my requests, but it isn't reality for most of us. Some of us want to spend the little amount of time we can play in PvP and still be competitive. This is proving to not be possible at lower levels.

I am ok with the VR players having an advantage, but I think it is far too great of an advantage.

It aggravates me when people say, "go level," "stop being lazy," or "put in the same amount of effort and time that we did." What the hell do you think we are doing? Yes we are leveling in PvE because the game forces us to do so when we would much rather be in PvP. We know we can't be competitive until we do, but like I said not all of us have a large amount of time to put towards leveling. I have noticed that the population in Cyrodiil seems to lower every day. The campaigns that were constantly full are no longer consistently locked. This trend will continue as more and more lower levels are discouraged to join PvP.

Zenimax better make a change to make leveling in Cyrodiil viable again. Otherwise this drastic difference between 10-49 and VR players will drive PvP into the ground. Making leveling in PvP viable will raise the population in Cyrodiil drastically and would hopefully restore the population to what it once was before all the VR players came crashing in.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

PVP is supposed to be an endgame activity, its balanced for endgame. Get vet yourself.

Cydone

Wolfaen wrote: »

Harming wrote: »

I keep seeing this crying and just can't understand it. This is not a MOBA or FPS, it's an mmo. There's nothing stoping people from puting in the time to level and gear except their own laziness. Everyone maxes out at relatively the same spot. Get there then complain about balance issues.
~Harming

Actually there are a lot of us that can't play 10 hours a day to get to 50 in a couple weeks due to real life, work, family, etc. I get lucky if I can play 2-3 hours in a day. You're blatantly calling casuals lazy? I wish I could sit infront of the computer all day and have my mom order pizza in for me and cater to all my requests, but it isn't reality for most of us. Some of us want to spend the little amount of time we can play in PvP and still be competitive. This is proving to not be possible at lower levels.

I am ok with the VR players having an advantage, but I think it is far too great of an advantage.

It aggravates me when people say, "go level," "stop being lazy," or "put in the same amount of effort and time that we did." What the hell do you think we are doing? Yes we are leveling in PvE because the game forces us to do so when we would much rather be in PvP. We know we can't be competitive until we do, but like I said not all of us have a large amount of time to put towards leveling. I have noticed that the population in Cyrodiil seems to lower every day. The campaigns that were constantly full are no longer consistently locked. This trend will continue as more and more lower levels are discouraged to join PvP.

Zenimax better make a change to make leveling in Cyrodiil viable again. Otherwise this drastic difference between 10-49 and VR players will drive PvP into the ground. Making leveling in PvP viable will raise the population in Cyrodiil drastically and would hopefully restore the population to what it once was before all the VR players came crashing in.

I'm sorry but those ppl are right. You shouldn't be EQUAL to someone who is already 50+/VR as a low level. If you don't have the time to invest in the game, it isn't fair that you should have equal rewards. Now, yours and others depiction of VR players is completely unfounded....unless they are using the vamp+SS+dk combo. I and MANY others have taken out vet players as lowbies, so it is VERY possible to do so.

The bolster that is in Cyrodiil is fine the way it is. If you can't seem to take out ppl of higher level, perhaps you should be looking at your build or the way in which you are engaging other, high level, players. Adjust accordingly and try again. Just because what your currently doing doesn't work, for you, doesn't then mean that the mechanics that are in place should then be changed in order to cater to you or others like you.

aeroch

Give sub-50s the greater of their natural stats or normalized stats. Reducing base stats is dumb and would help

Wolfaen

Cydone wrote: »

Wolfaen wrote: »

Harming wrote: »

I keep seeing this crying and just can't understand it. This is not a MOBA or FPS, it's an mmo. There's nothing stoping people from puting in the time to level and gear except their own laziness. Everyone maxes out at relatively the same spot. Get there then complain about balance issues.
~Harming

Actually there are a lot of us that can't play 10 hours a day to get to 50 in a couple weeks due to real life, work, family, etc. I get lucky if I can play 2-3 hours in a day. You're blatantly calling casuals lazy? I wish I could sit infront of the computer all day and have my mom order pizza in for me and cater to all my requests, but it isn't reality for most of us. Some of us want to spend the little amount of time we can play in PvP and still be competitive. This is proving to not be possible at lower levels.

I am ok with the VR players having an advantage, but I think it is far too great of an advantage.

It aggravates me when people say, "go level," "stop being lazy," or "put in the same amount of effort and time that we did." What the hell do you think we are doing? Yes we are leveling in PvE because the game forces us to do so when we would much rather be in PvP. We know we can't be competitive until we do, but like I said not all of us have a large amount of time to put towards leveling. I have noticed that the population in Cyrodiil seems to lower every day. The campaigns that were constantly full are no longer consistently locked. This trend will continue as more and more lower levels are discouraged to join PvP.

Zenimax better make a change to make leveling in Cyrodiil viable again. Otherwise this drastic difference between 10-49 and VR players will drive PvP into the ground. Making leveling in PvP viable will raise the population in Cyrodiil drastically and would hopefully restore the population to what it once was before all the VR players came crashing in.

I'm sorry but those ppl are right. You shouldn't be EQUAL to someone who is already 50+/VR as a low level. If you don't have the time to invest in the game, it isn't fair that you should have equal rewards. Now, yours and others depiction of VR players is completely unfounded....unless they are using the vamp+SS+dk combo. I and MANY others have taken out vet players as lowbies, so it is VERY possible to do so.

The bolster that is in Cyrodiil is fine the way it is. If you can't seem to take out ppl of higher level, perhaps you should be looking at your build or the way in which you are engaging other, high level, players. Adjust accordingly and try again. Just because what your currently doing doesn't work, for you, doesn't then mean that the mechanics that are in place should then be changed in order to cater to you or others like you.

Lol did you even read my post? I pretty clearly said, "I am ok with the VR players having an advantage, but I think it is far too great of an advantage." And I can take down VR1-VR3 players pretty easily, but anyone above that is borderline impossible to kill unless they are just bad.

The fact that you refused to fully read my post makes me take yours with a grain of salt.

I am far more concerned about the longevity of PvP in ESO rather than the Vets themselves. However, these two things are tied together because the Vets are too powerful causing the lower levels(currently the majority of Cyrodiil) to be discouraged to PvP. You are probably saying, "the majority will eventually be 50+" which is true, but the lower levels will always play a important part in balancing out the population. WE should want to encourage more people to PvP no matter the level than to discourage it.

ONCE AGAIN, I like the fact that VR players are more powerful than those that are lower level, but I think it is far too significant of an advantage. Especially when they get VR5+. Yes being able to stomp lowbies may be fun for some, but I for one prefer a more "level" playing field and an abundant population of enemies to kill.

NordJitsu

True level 50's should always smoke you in 1v1s or 1v2s. If you want to be effective, group up or level up.

Uplevels are slightly under powered though, I agree with that. The armor and spell resistance should be increased to what it used to be (up about 200 points on each.)

Kewljag_66_ESO

Yes, so in 6 months when 95% of the people in Cyrodiil are max level there is no Veteran rank progression to gain or the ability to keep improving your character...... that's hitting the i'm finished wall. which causes people to quit.

DAOC had PVP progression that took years. and it is what kept people playinga nd building their characters for 10 years.

Just keep leveling and pushing threw or avoid the unfair fights. you will be max level sooner than you think. people should be grateful they actually have the ability to even compete at low levels

Honfold

Can someone please tell me how they are able to determine if they player that killed them is skilled or not?

tclark1122b14_ESO

NordJitsu wrote: »

True level 50's should always smoke you in 1v1s or 1v2s. If you want to be effective, group up or level up.

Then there should be campaigns that are pre-level 50 and campaigns that are 50+ only.

As it is now, the players have already seen to it that there is absolutely no point in going out there anymore unless you're 50+. The number of people I see out in my home campaign has already dropped off to the point where we aren't and won't be really contesting anything any time soon and have dropped from Full to Medium in the last week.

The people who are saying people should just leave and go level up don't understand that people will instead just leave period.

Digerati

I disagree.. perhaps add some %-based true-damage to siege.. adjust the bolster so that it cannot reduce your stats... but don't nerf people. I hate nerfs. at level 30, I'm already more powerful in PvE than I am in PvP, just looking at the stats... I would actually deal with this as I don't really mind not being able to solo fight anyone if they allowed me to progress in PvP.

Sadique

the only problem i have with the buffing system in this game is that the closer you get to 50 without actually hitting it the weaker you actually get in cyrodiil. In around 35-50 range problems start with magicka management and im not even totally sure why but i was able to kill mobs easier in cyro as a 10 then i was as at 40 because i was blasting through magicka way faster and regening slower, even though i had a bunch of passives and set bonuses that should be making things easier. At one point around level 40 i actually had less armor, resist and magicka inside cyrodiil then outside.

ElSlayer

Here's a similar thread with a few suggestions in it.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/79986/eso-pvp-is-finished-home-of-the-vets/p1

TheGrandAlliance

ElSlayer wrote: »

Here's a similar thread with a few suggestions in it.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/79986/eso-pvp-is-finished-home-of-the-vets/p1

Aaaa thanks that be me thread:)

Yes however I do not believe that you need to REMOVE vet ranks from PvP... rather either 1. Seperate them into own servers (as a potential future plan /w PvP ranks) or 2. Reduce their effectiveness (defense; offense) vs seige and npcs.

Cydone

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

ElSlayer wrote: »

Here's a similar thread with a few suggestions in it.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/79986/eso-pvp-is-finished-home-of-the-vets/p1

Aaaa thanks that be me thread:)

Yes however I do not believe that you need to REMOVE vet ranks from PvP... rather either 1. Seperate them into own servers (as a potential future plan /w PvP ranks) or 2. Reduce their effectiveness (defense; offense) vs seige and npcs.

Ok, so I was right. You want them to change the pvp mechanics in order to better suit you. That's strangely like something.....OH YEAH, entitlement. Please tell me, how are they(ZOS) going to achieve #2 on your list without it affecting player vs player damage? And to #1 on your post, how would this help the current state of pvp, when there is barely ANYONE in the campaigns as it is right now? You want to further segregate the population in order to suit your needs?? Seems that would kill pvp faster than the current state of affairs because the population in these now segregated servers would be MUCH less than what we have now.

Bcrichjosh

lol He was probably the Emperor at that point in time. You just failed to see it

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Pvp in cyrodil is an endgame activity. You should be happy Zeni opened it up for level 10's with bolstering.

Cydone

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Pvp in cyrodil is an endgame activity. You should be happy Zeni opened it up for level 10's with bolstering.

If low level players are able to take part in it, it isn't "end game" content.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Cydone wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Pvp in cyrodil is an endgame activity. You should be happy Zeni opened it up for level 10's with bolstering.

If low level players are able to take part in it, it isn't "end game" content.

Then why cant you level in pvp? Because you are supposed to level in Pve

Cydone

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Pvp in cyrodil is an endgame activity. You should be happy Zeni opened it up for level 10's with bolstering.

If low level players are able to take part in it, it isn't "end game" content.

Then why cant you level in pvp? Because you are supposed to level in Pve

According to ZOS, I can play the way I want. But, seeing as if you want to level in the PvP zone, you'd reach VR10 sometime next year, you are forced to PvE. Wouldn't call that "playing how I want".

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Cydone wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Pvp in cyrodil is an endgame activity. You should be happy Zeni opened it up for level 10's with bolstering.

If low level players are able to take part in it, it isn't "end game" content.

Then why cant you level in pvp? Because you are supposed to level in Pve

According to ZOS, I can play the way I want. But, seeing as if you want to level in the PvP zone, you'd reach VR10 sometime next year, you are forced to PvE. Wouldn't call that "playing how I want".

See you read too much into the statement. It was meant in regards to the class system.

Cydone

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Pvp in cyrodil is an endgame activity. You should be happy Zeni opened it up for level 10's with bolstering.

If low level players are able to take part in it, it isn't "end game" content.

Then why cant you level in pvp? Because you are supposed to level in Pve

According to ZOS, I can play the way I want. But, seeing as if you want to level in the PvP zone, you'd reach VR10 sometime next year, you are forced to PvE. Wouldn't call that "playing how I want".

See you read too much into the statement. It was meant in regards to the class system.

And you read too little into. If they meant something else, they should have stated it. But, they didn't say anything else. Why don't you just go back to your PvE threads that you seem to love so much. There is NOTHING wrong with wanting to be able to level up in PvP. Just as there is nothing wrong if you WANT to level up PvE. What is wrong is the disparity in the rewards given in each avenue.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

No nothing wrong except the devs didnt make this a pvp game. Its a pve game with pvp endgame. There are hundreds of mmos out there just like every other wow-clone that has what you want. Why change what most like to something you like and others dont?

Cydone

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

No nothing wrong except the devs didnt make this a pvp game. Its a pve game with pvp endgame. There are hundreds of mmos out there just like every other wow-clone that has what you want. Why change what most like to something you like and others dont?

What most are you talking about here?? MOST ppl that pvp want to be able to level up at the same pace, or close to it, as ppl that level in pve. And TOR, WoW or any other modern ones like it DON'T offer a viable way to level in PvP, so in asking for this is in no way asking for a "WoW Clone".

You seem to be VERY PvE oriented. Asking for a viable way to lvl up in PvP in no way affects being able to do the same in PvE.....so why are you against this?? And stop bringing up PvP being "end game" content. Anything that lowbie players can take part in ISN'T "end game" content.