Request to Remove Veteran Bonus in Cyrodiil.

Kolache

Advancement doesn't take that long.. IMO, pick your battles. Don't petition to lower the cap in cyrodiil, petition to not raise the cap when that debate comes up, (and it will).

Wolfaen

Mobius0 wrote: »

Honestly, I think they need to give players below level 50, at least an extra 500 HP than they already have.

It's no fun killing people so easily. I often feel like simply letting them go instead of engaging them, because it's a shallow victory for me. But it's 1 more person that can bring a treb to the battle, so I have to

I think this is needed. I don't think they need to make any changes to the Veteran ranks, but I do think they need to up the stats that they give to players below level 50. Currently the stats of a boosted 1-49 player are pitiful. I by no means am saying put them on the same level as Veteran Ranks, but I do think they should increase the boosted stats a bit.

domlynchb16_ESO

I've killed Vet 1, when mid 20's.
Today I watched 2 players (10-19 level) were fighting a vet 10, ex emperor (according to his name plate).

I joined in, and we took him down. It wasn't too difficult (although I'm Vet 1 now).

No changes required.

Cydone

Alestair wrote: »

Reavan wrote: »

So you do not want any gear progression what so ever and most people to be on the same leveling field.
GW2 over there mate.
Sorry but if you can't put the time in to level like everyone else then you should die in a fire much like you are complaining about.
If PVE is beneath you then you have to slog it the hard way.
I enjoy PVP the most, it is my thing always has been but I do not have this phobia of PVE like it is evil or some weird BS that delinquents like you view it as these days.

I am glad ESO has a progression system and I am liking the idea of having one gear set for all aspects of the game no PVP gear and PVE gear.

In any other game you would not even be able to damage a player who is so much higher leveled and he would one shot you with a basic attack.
Boosting you up makes you have an impact in numbers however against a smaller higher level force you will have to fear it especially if it is organised.

Level up or continue to be fodder on the field your choice.

"GW2 over there mate." Never played GW2....Never played WoW...The only mmo's ive ever played was EQ,EQ2,SWG,AoC,DaoC,SW,Eve. My point is.... throw in a level 10 against a Vet 10 in a 1v1..who will win? of course, Cyrodiil is ment for large scale pvp of course, not skirmish's, but hey, skirmish's do happen every so often.. and I am leveling...

well not just yet because molag bal refuses to die at 0% Health, but its nice that he bows down to me.

You played SWG?? LOLOLOLOLOL! That is a lie right there. SWG had the same disparity in pvp, between lower level players and higher level players, that you're crying about. So does EQ and EQ 2 AND EvE. So, I call BS on this. I am/was an 7 yr vet of SWG. Played from launch day, June 26th 2003...till Aug 10th, 2010. If someone like you posted what you have here, in the SWG forums, you would have been eaten alive by the PvPers, on ANY server. SWG even had a bounty system for players that choose to PvP and killed someone. That person had the option of putting a bounty on your head.

The BH had EVERY advantage in this engagement, since he/she could pick the time and the place that they wanted to kill you. All they had to do is track you down with droids. They could catch you unbuffed and unprepared for a fight. This is the same as this game when talking about a high lvl player fighting against someone who is unprepared(not top level or close to it) and OBVIOUSLY doesn't know a thing about his chosen class.

Why don't you try actually putting the time into your character by getting it to top level so you can have a more balanced playing field?? Even though you don't need to be a veteran ranked player in order to take out another vet ranked player. Stop crying and stop asking for something, when you put forth nothing.....or at least haven't YET put forth the same effort as those/us vet ranked players.

joshisanonymous

I think it may be helpful to think of vetern ranks, not as something special that comes after you're fully leveled, but simply as levels equivalent to any other level (i.e. the level cap is actually 60, not 50).

A theme that seems to be recurring when people talk about the perils of veteran ranks is that those who have maxed their rank have an advantage over those who haven't, and this advantage, for some reason, will never disappear. It's as if reaching VR10 is only possible for the first 100 people who do so and everyone who comes after will be locked out of getting, say, anything above VR5. Doesn't make sense, right?

But look at it purely as levels, and the argument that VRs are unfair in PvP becomes even more absurd. Imagine being a level 53 character and flipping out when you're in PvP and find a level 60 character has a general advantage over you because, for some reason, you don't believe that level 60 can be reached by anyone other than those who are already level 60.

This type of complaining doesn't make any sense. We can all get to level 60. It may take longer than most modern MMOs--and not nearly as long as pre-WoW MMOs--but it can surely be done, apparently in well under a month if you really want it.

Gaudrath

One thing I don't understand. 12 people. 12 people and you couldn't take out one guy? Did you all cluster together for a nice AoE spam or something?

Nox_Aeterna

I disagree OP , PvP should not be balanced at all from that point.

Keep the classes +- in a fair spot , but not the lvl range. Stronger people should be plain stronger , that simple.

pignouf

I think the problem is the auto leveling system. I'm 25 DK, when i pop up my spiked armor, my armor stat doesn't change. Don't know why. Working as intended ? Or not working because my armor stat was leveled up to 50 ?
In PvE my armor is something like 730, capped to 800 with SA. In Pvp, my armor is still 730, and stay at this value after SA.

PS: i don't have the real armor value in mind, i'll check when the eu server will come back.

Sykotik_ESO

Its because you are up leveled so those stats are the same for anyone 49 or below

Harming

I keep seeing this crying and just can't understand it. This is not a MOBA or FPS, it's an mmo. There's nothing stoping people from puting in the time to level and gear except their own laziness. Everyone maxes out at relatively the same spot. Get there then complain about balance issues.
~Harming

yclandb14_ESO

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I disagree OP , PvP should not be balanced at all from that point.

Keep the classes +- in a fair spot , but not the lvl range. Stronger people should be plain stronger , that simple.

That is not PvP. PvP is about pitting the skill of one player to the other, you aren't PvPing when you are fighting both another player AND the benefits from their level.

People keep insisting that getting a vet rank entitles them to an advantage and that should be true in PvE but not PvP.

I entered Cryo at a pretty low level and ran up against 1v1 situations where my target was nearly double my health. How does that improve or make for a good PvP experience if one player starts out at a rather large disadvantage?

Cydone

yclandb14_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I disagree OP , PvP should not be balanced at all from that point.

Keep the classes +- in a fair spot , but not the lvl range. Stronger people should be plain stronger , that simple.

That is not PvP. PvP is about pitting the skill of one player to the other, you aren't PvPing when you are fighting both another player AND the benefits from their level.

People keep insisting that getting a vet rank entitles them to an advantage and that should be true in PvE but not PvP.

I entered Cryo at a pretty low level and ran up against 1v1 situations where my target was nearly double my health. How does that improve or make for a good PvP experience if one player starts out at a rather large disadvantage?

If you can't deal with ppl being higher level than you in pvp, because they have the time to invest in leveling their character, and you seem not to....then LEAVE. If you have such a problem with dealing with a little challenge, then perhaps you should be sticking to PvE.....seems to be your niche anyways. It's people like you that ruin PvP that is actually extremely balanced, as far as the ability to kill someone that's MUCH higher level than you. I've done it, others have as well. If you can't do it, then perhaps the problem isn't with the system, but YOU.

Aemesh23

This is funny - I love how the word "entitled" comes out, from people who feel it is their right to be 'MO UBAH! then everyone because they did some quests. This is what you call "working for it"? Ridiculous. The guy who was in pvp since day one, doing nothing but blowing what meager gold they have to repair walls, who waits patiently for an ambush for 15 minutes, who holds the defense up for three hours with no bio breaks - who rides their arse off time and a again to get from one keep to the next. This is work. You think that it's any less challenging for a group of four to hold off a group of 15, than it is to do your little veteran dungeon?

So why is pvp experience so nerfed compared to pve exp? Pve nets you gold, xp and loot. PVP nets you a deficit (unless you're a greedy bastid, and you hold your aps for all the juicy loot at vet levels) in gold and resources, and gives you meager xp in return. This is what should change.

Here's my gripe, and keep in mind that if you pvp non-stop on a heavily populated server, you will level up, just more slowly--

My gripe; most (but not all) of the people rockin vet 5+ levels are PVE allstars. They feel "entitled" as though they earned it and the hardcore pvpers didn't (lol!) and beat their chests at their victories against weaker opponents, while they're at it. As though its such an acheivement when they rock some level 40's. Do you also go smash level 30 mobs and proclaim your badassery in noob zones?
"OOoooh yeah! These Goblins suck!" *teabags goblin savage's corpse*

Hear me out - I think vet levels should stay. I just think that the hardcore pvpers should get more bang for their buck; like an increasing reward for time spent in pvp (starting at only 1-5%, and increasing/capped out at say, +50%, or +100% or something, if you've been on and active for x amount of time within a weekly period), that way, there's no excuses for one team or another to abandon the field (nor to later whine that the opposing team only won because you were gone).

Pvping non-stop IS putting in work every bit as much as PVE grinding. Its just less mindless. That's it. Why not reward these pvpers with bonus xp for time spent in cyrodiil? Because without them, it'd be a barren wasteland, like it is every time EP and DC lose badly on my server, and retreat to level up more. (lol. And they lost to less numbers, at lower levels, good luck next time). Of COURSE you need to feel special. So you folks leave to "even the playing field." And the pvp shuts down because you weren't there to fight against.

So basically, this is Carebear logic: In order to pvp later, we should all pve NOW! And when that fails (because perhaps we're not as infallible as we think we are) we should go pve some more! And when that fails, its because all the people who were here to actually pvp got bored of waiting for you, and logged off for the night. And now the pve All-stars can attack, and boast about their win, with the same veracity that they whined when they had no presence and the pvpers took over the map (out of boredom).

Rethink your motives, or for those who have - admit them, people. Yes, I understand what the "norm" of mmo's is. Those norms however, make very little sense under the magnifying glass. The point of pvp is competition; where is it written in stone that the real competition should take place OFF of the battlefield? Does that sound like it makes sense to you? And does it not make sense to evolve, to make a flawed system less flawed? Regardless of whether I agree with the OP or not, the post is about improving the game, whereas all I hear is "its a mmo! that's how it's 'spose to be!" As though God himself keeps that eleventh commandment as a seatwarmer.

Cydone

@Aemesh23 If you think that using the most efficient way to gain levels, somehow should negate a players EARNED rewards(levels, attributes, gear) then YOU are one of those "entitlement" ppl. I HATE PvE. Always have. But, it remains a FACT that you cannot level your character NEARLY as fast in PvP, as you can doing the horrid PvE.

Now, I do agree that the leveling mechanics inside the PvP zone NEED to be re-worked in order to offer a more balanced leveling experience for those who would rather do it via PvP. BUT, right now, that is not the case. So, while you may have a point for someone who spends all that time in the PvP zone, gaining meager rewards......you completely miss the point for those of us that dread PvEing, simply because we aren't about to wait 3 months to get VR10 doing solely PvP. To those of us that HATE PvE, having to do it to get to that plateau IS work and excruciating work at that! lol

TheWolf

I'm VR1 and I'm going to agree with everyone else.

In pvp the only thing that's boosted are your stats. I'm VR1 and highest gear piece armor is 110ish? Vr10 has 220ish armor ?(medium btw) Gear your wearing and the enchantments on that gear are all choices the player makes. And the higher you get the better the gear you can wear.

If you've played other pvp mmos or even open world pvp (which I love) you'd realize some games gives pvp gear. Pvp gear is usually hard to get but let's say a lv40 with pvp gear would be able to faceroll a max level that has anything else but pvp gear.

I feel fine with getting owned by a vr10 with high end gear and know show to use his skills rather than getting owned by lets say a lv30? Level up, collect skyshards, buy gear, buy gylphs, invent yourself the best combination of gear and skills that fits your playstyle and yet a lower level can kill you because people QQ vr10 was op.

I'm Vr1 vampire nightblade. I'm usually in stealth if I'm by myself and if I see some blues or some reds I'm going for it *** their level. If anything should be nerfed it's some of the class skills. Sorcs travel across the map as they please with no one to stop them, Dks have that ever lasting immobilizing claw they just spam to waste all your stamina. Templars have crazy amounts of cc which if you don't break out(consuming most of your stamina) you'd be dead without a fighting chance. Nightblades probably have to be the most resourceful considering many of their passives are buggy.

CheesyDaedra

As a level 36 player who has been playing since day one of early access, i feel discouraged to even enter cyrodiil since pretty much every grinder out there takes me out with nearly no effort, even when i get the first attack while sneaking.

I'm not an MMO pro, but i like to think that no matter the kind of equipment a foe has, i should be able to take them down easily when i have the tactical advantage. Here's the BS that makes me hate the balance against high level players, my spells do nearly no damage to the guy, my stuns don't endure either and he insta kills me by using the same spell and stunning me twice while i lose all my stamina on the last. (This was during a close encounter while questing).

So please either instance veteran and non vet players in campaigns or give us a set amount of attributes that are enhanced by our armor choices and enchantments.

I just like a fair game, where my enemy has the same chances of defeating me as i do. I personally find boring taking out an unable player.

Eormenric

Alestair wrote: »

As I see, Veteran levels will demolish PVP AKA the GAME... I Saw a rank 5 veteran dragonknight/vampire Solo 12 people BY HIMSELF.. and all ZEN is focusing on is fixing minor things, and well some important Quests when the balancing should be the issue here.. Look what happened to Age of Conan, One class was OP, it got nerfed but made another OP and then that one got nerfed and made the other OP, and once it came around back to the first one that got nerfed, nerfed again and still made the other OP so it was going in circles and thus, THAT is why Age of Conan Failed... Because of Classes not being balanced and in this case "Skills" not being balanced.. Im tired of being in a 20 sized group getting killed by a very small group of maybe 8 people who are Veteran 2-5 and has nothing to do with their player skill, its all about the skills they have and the bonus's.. I enjoyed the betas, I pre ordered, played on the 30th and ive been playing EVERYDAY since then and im now a veteran rank 1 and i don't want to have to get to Veteran rank 5 or higher just to be able to own someone because of my high bonus's and GEAR.... So ill say it once.. Veteran levels will destroy this game.... You may say "Wait til everyone is veteran and then it will be fair game" No, it won't, not to the people who come to the game later on, because later on in za future the majority are going to be VR 5-10 and those who are below 49 or even below 40 will not stand a chance at all, of course they may get the last shot off on a high ranking vet but that person still isn't going to feel great because he had help.... REMOVE Veteran bonus's to PVP

I'm not even going to read anything besides the title.

Agreed.

Veteran Rank is stupid enough. Don't force the stupidity on those who want to just PvP.

Aemesh23

Fair enough - I get why people do it. I'm just saying this; listen to yourself! You hate PVE, but you deal with it? Is that what you want out of a game? The post is proposing changes to the pvp environment. Not proclaiming that pve should be mandatory for hardcore pvpers! You might as well say, "dude, I want to pvp, but i need vet 10, so i'll stab my own d* because its 5 more xp than getting a pvp kill!" Effective isn't the argument. If you love pvp, why should any game that promotes pvp at level 10 and up also require us to do what we despise (and I mean HATE) like running dungeons over and over again or clicking through stupid quests. (really? You need my heavily armored warrior to deliver lemon-cakes to your aunt? Really?)

Moreover, since we're not talking about why people have done what they did in the past, and what it should be like in the future, why should we not reward players who pvp with the same kind of bounty as all the folks who love pve. Are we not also customers! *cries out to the skies, like in Gladiator* Are you not entertained?! Most days, I'm not. Because everyone's pveing as fast as they can to vet 10. Why the hurry? its a 90 day campaign, for one.

I'll tell you why; because the vast majority of people who want to get to vet 10 - not sayin you Cyclone, but then, hey, I dont know you, so yeah, maybe you - they dont want competition, they want god-mode. They want to have every advantage over the competition. - oh, and for those people making navy seals references, LOL! really? war is not a game. Its not a competition. By your logic, we should go to the other team's homes and use c4 on them while they sleep. Take that you filthy EPs! no, i don't think so. You're here to play a competitive GAME. So play already, and stop lashing yourself to the wheel of PVE, and/or stop using "that's how mmo's are supposed to be" as an excuse - you just want to be teh uberist, even if you aren't the most deserving.

Now, dare I say it, I've seen some people that ARE deserving. And they aren't complaining that they need to get in more pve. There's a guy on my server, who's never left cyrodiil, and who's 600k points beyond the closest comptetitor on the boards. And he's vet 6. all pvp xp (good god, that's a lot of kills)

And by the way, im not "entitled," I'm a consumer, there's a difference, like the difference between `eccentric' and `crazy.' lol. But then everyone who plays these games, lives in this age - we're all a little entitled. Because we paid for this game, and we all want to get the most out of it. Can you blame me?
Apparently I don't want to sit through lame questing any more than you do.

Cydone

I'm not asking for Gawd mode, nor do I want it. I had that in an MMO already and it was BORING. Anyone that played pre-cu SWG and had a MS/MD Jedi knows what I mean. Fun for a little bit, but then gets boring pretty quickly. I want the people complaining in this thread to put forth the same effort as everyone else. Not be given a handout because they don't understand how to use the abilities given to them. Like MANY others have said, in this thread and others like it, it is completely within the realm of possibility to kill a veteran ranked player as a lower level. Should you be able to right away, at lvl 10? Of course not lol. But, once I hit around 25, I was able to kill them solo. Not VR5+ solo, but when I came across a VR5+ team while I was in my group of lvl 30-40 players, we were able to take them out, when their group outnumbered ours.

Yes, we lured a few players at a time, in that group, away so we could kill them. Why take on a more powerful enemy, when you're at a 20+ level disadvantage, when you can use guerrilla tactics on them and win the fight?? Players here seem to think that this games PvP is balanced around 1v1, 4v4, 5v5 or w/e. It's NOT. It's balanced around SIEGE warfare and LARGE scale battles.

Aemesh23

Cydone wrote: »

I'm not asking for Gawd mode, nor do I want it. I had that in an MMO already and it was BORING. Anyone that played pre-cu SWG and had a MS/MD Jedi knows what I mean. Fun for a little bit, but then gets boring pretty quickly. I want the people complaining in this thread to put forth the same effort as everyone else. Not be given a handout because they don't understand how to use the abilities given to them. Like MANY others have said, in this thread and others like it, it is completely within the realm of possibility to kill a veteran ranked player as a lower level. Should you be able to right away, at lvl 10? Of course not lol. But, once I hit around 25, I was able to kill them solo. Not VR5+ solo, but when I came across a VR5+ team while I was in my group of lvl 30-40 players, we were able to take them out, when their group outnumbered ours.

Yes, we lured a few players at a time, in that group, away so we could kill them. Why take on a more powerful enemy, when you're at a 20+ level disadvantage, when you can use guerrilla tactics on them and win the fight?? Players here seem to think that this games PvP is balanced around 1v1, 4v4, 5v5 or w/e. It's NOT. It's balanced around SIEGE warfare and LARGE scale battles.

I follow, believe me. This ^ only promotes my point of view; I do the same thing. Hell, Ive done the same thing, and my build isn't even geared for 1v1, i'm the crowd control. My point is that a lot of bad players just want to get to vet 10 asap to make up for the fact that they are bad. Again, not saying you are, I just think that this concept that "leveling up to max by day 10 is the way you're supposed to play" is bogus. Why shouldn't there be some way of taking this game back the root of every competetive game; be it a sport or on a pc, the idea was to allow everyone to have fun and compete, on somewhat equal footing. Considering that unless you are insanely powerful you can't earn enough veteran xp without leaving cyrodiil, those of us who came to teso to pvp are left to deal with it. its not going to be player versus player in a month's time; its going to be player versus zerg (and all of the zergs will be veteran 3+)

Your assumption is that there is a small group of vet levels, and the non vets or low vets (1 or 2 ) will pick those vet 7-10 carebears apart, and that's all. (this is only partly true, and with this part of your argument I agree. Ive done it.). The part you're forgetting, is that there will be more and more vet levels joining, to the point that in a few weeks, all of these massive pve guilds (no joke, theres a 600-member roleplay guild of goldbrand, they're just leveling up right now.) will roll through and teabag the whole server, wherever it is they feel like sitting. AT THE SAME TIME, you argue that this game is all about large scale conflict. I see; so... where does it say in "the Book of MMO Warfare" that therefore you should (should, being the magic word here) PVE in order to pvp? This is an entirely separate issue; And right now, the zerg is on the side of the people who love their pve. Not the avid pvpers, who want a challenge, and fair footing.

Hell, we've got a farming guild that's taking over the server Im on. They park a dozen guys at a time in the newt cave and pve all day. In cyrodiil. Where you're supposed to be when you want to pvp. Probably farming gold. But they're all vet 1's to vet 3's. Not bots mind you, we killed them several times and they fought back. Go back later - and you'll find another dozen. With different names. But I wonder what it'll be like when this is the majority of players in cyrodiil... ah yes, a big lumpy zerg of carebear soup. Who will win that war? Let me guess for you : 30 hardcore pvpers (probably averaging vet one - and assuming you have that many) will be overrun by 300 vet 2 carebears every time. The oil just doesn't pour that fast, lol. We've tried. Guerrilla tactics only go so far, and then you get steamrolled.

What we're really talking about here is a mindset that is corruptive at its core; a great many mmo's fail because the endgame content becomes dull, and invariably, there's a massive race to hit endgame by everyone looking to "get an edge over their foes." Then these same people take over the server; and they argue that their opponents should do the same as they did. When they do - and of course they will do just that in eso (sigh) then in a month, everyone's bored with the game and thus begins the exodus to the next game.

Wouldn't it behoove the companies who make these games to create a variance, another option for players than what's already been done and failed?
Games like EQ stayed on the market for as long as they did because there were options of every flavor. If you want pve, theres a pve server for you. If you want pvp, there's one for you too - actually, several with different rules. There's no option, currently, in ESO for this; you will not gain Vet levels without PVE. And by allowing the Vets to run over the people who just want to pvp, and only pvp, you're handing the reins to the very people who will ruin the game.

In ESO, as in more and more games lately - the pve people are taking over the pvp side, and proclaiming that the pvpers should play the way the pve people like it. And to keep up with those people, YOU, and the people who believe as you do, go and pve even though you hate it. Doesn't that seem strange to you? Doesn't it make you die a little inside? lol. The dark side is winning, and you are dancing to their tune.

RivenEsq

One of the dumbest threads I've ever seen. The concept that you should be just as strong as someone who earned their levels, their skills, their gear, and constructed an -allegedly- competent build while you are level 20 is absurd.

The age of entitlement has truly come. I never though I'd see the day someone could honestly complain that a person who is a higher level than them is stronger.

Maybe the sort of immediate rewards you seek aren't in this game, seeing as it is an MMO, OP. I hear you can just buy a max level in WoW. I recommend going back to that.

What a joke.

EDIT: As a side note, no matter what level you are, that does not buy PvP skill. Sure, levels help, but when everyone else gets to max, they won't any more. You can only hide behind levels for so long if you are a bad player.

Kypho

Soloed 12 ppl. really... you make it look like vet players are gods lol. Noone can make 1v12 just if its an emperor or a sploiter. lvl up and try to solo 12 ppl.

Kypho

Valiant29 wrote: »

Lol, if you don't want to be killed by someone who is higher level then don't play PVP until you are an equal level. The fact is that the PVP was designed for level 50 players (which is why if you are lower than that they increase your stats) It isn't anyone's fault that they put in more time to level up and get better gear than say a level 15 who wants to feel like a hero in a PVP battle. I for one am glad that higher level players have that advantage; a level 10 to 15 shouldn't be able to take down a level 50 without a little smarts and a lot of luck.

Smarts and a lot of luck means much at higher lvls too. Maybe a 10-15lvl player is not that experienced how to avoid to get killed, or how to attack ppl from stealth. Why would a 10 lvl player attack someone who has more passives, and actives in toe toe? And possibly better gear suited for pvp, and not random pve drop. And low lvl player should not even try to attack a veteran tank. Pick targets. At lvl 25 i was able to get a v1 down to 20% without problem, then i got a sorcerer help to finish him. I attacked from stealth with a bow, what does really nice damage. Probably he would kill me even with 20% health, but i would not jump on him without backup, because he has more to use against me, than me on him.
Other side is, when players reallize that they fighting higher lvl players, they seems not to know what to do, and they running around like headless chickens, trying to get away, but not even knowing how to break stuns, or roots. 1v12 is possible, if the 12 just benny hill around doing nothing because they just cry about the lvl difference and not even trying to fight.

Kypho

yclandb14_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I disagree OP , PvP should not be balanced at all from that point.

Keep the classes +- in a fair spot , but not the lvl range. Stronger people should be plain stronger , that simple.

That is not PvP. PvP is about pitting the skill of one player to the other, you aren't PvPing when you are fighting both another player AND the benefits from their level.

People keep insisting that getting a vet rank entitles them to an advantage and that should be true in PvE but not PvP.

I entered Cryo at a pretty low level and ran up against 1v1 situations where my target was nearly double my health. How does that improve or make for a good PvP experience if one player starts out at a rather large disadvantage?

You should play ArmA series, there you have same stats. Not in mmo where you work for the skills, you lvl em up with work. And i killd some ppl with the double of health what i have. Its not that god mode. I guess you even want to take a fort alone because you are so skilled low lvl pvper. Or want to duel and beat a v10 emperor as lvl10 because that what pvp is for you. I tell you, as i see, you will be killed 1v1 from lvl15 player when you will be v10. Im so sure...

drwoody44b14_ESO

ITT: Low levels wanting to be on par with high levels who put in time to level and gear up.

I bet these are the same people who cried about PvP gear in WoW.

fredarbonab14_ESO

PvP in ESO at the ~individual~ level is for 50+ already on veteran ranks. At lower levels you can partake in campaigns and get a taste of what is to come. If it bothers you because at lower levels you can't compete 1 vs.1 against a veteran, don't go there. Simple.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

How about the OP L2P and get vet rank himself rather than thinking he will be a pvp god at lvl 10.

Censorious

Zenimax are turning Cyrodiil into an end-game-only mode.

That's not good. It's not as advertised and it will make the game much poorer if you can't level alts through PvP.
GW2 got this right but Zenimax are taking this game back to WoW's model of one-shot ganking of lowbies.

Right now I'm still having fun at Lvl 35 but it's getting harder to get a fair fight.
Pity.

TheFoxTango

When reading the developer Q&A about resources being a 4 man operation to take. I believe that VR players is the target audience of Cyrodiil PvP. For this reason I have put PvP on hold until I get VR and rank it.

SourceError

Alestair wrote: »

I seriously think most of you are avoiding the point....Yes, I should level and keep leveling and leveling and leveling, but saying I should be entitled to something and not working for it? Then how the H*ll did I reach Vet 1 ? I worked my Toosh off in one day, from 40 to 50 and yes of course most people can go from 10 to 50 in a day, but saying that Im claiming to be entitled to something? Saying that I should work for it? I already am working for it, Im just seeing the bigger picture here...

You're just rambling. Stop expecting to compete at level 10 vs someone V10 in a 1v1 situation.