This game needs an auction house..

Thesiren

Ahnastashia wrote: »

I agree.. we need an auction house with the ability to text search for specific items...

I agree with this completely. If 12-year-old, single-megaserver Eve Online has had its main auction house trade hub, Jita, on its own server cluster for years, so can that be the case here. It's not like Bethesda/Zenimax don't have the money to put up an auction house with, either, besides the fact that they're charging high box fees and $15 a month for ESO.

EramTheLiar

I like the idea of Auction House guilds but they're not really a solution to this problem, at least not yet. First, the guild system is buggy and I'll frequently log in to find my guild bank not available. Second, none of the search tools work, so if I'm looking for (for example) iron ore I have to page through the listing until I find it. Third, the problem with inactive members isn't a minor one: I've joined plenty of guilds in my day and become inactive in just as many because of the demands of real life. Apparently it will be up to the Guildmasters to keep this side economy going? Ugh.

Drachenfier

Sharee wrote: »

Phadin wrote: »

I've had no trouble with the current system so far. I'm in one trade guild and one craft guild, and have been able to buy and sell just about everything I want to so far. I hate the idea of some massive auction house. In other MMOs I've tried playing where I havn't gotten in at the start of the game, I often find the AH useless because everything is priced so high a new player can never afford even the low level items.

Gold farmer uses a bot to farm gold (hundreds of bots). He has virtually unlimited source of gold.

Gold farmer goes to the global AH. Gold farmer buys out ALL resources(or something else that is in demand). He can, as he has unlimited source of gold.

Gold farmer reposts all the items he just bought, at a high price. Now he just monitors the market, and as soon as someone posts at a lower price, he immediately buys and reposts at his price.

Player Joe who got a few gold from normal gameplay goes to buy from global AH. He finds that the prices are insane, and he will never be able to afford it. And right after that he sees in chat "BUY CHEAP GOLD ONLY $5 per million of gold www.imadamngoldfarmer.com!!!!! HAVE A NICE DAY".

Joe thinks, hmm, it would take me a year to farm a million of gold, but this? Only $5, and i will be able to afford all the insane prices, TEMPTING!

Gold seller gets $$$ from Joe. Gold seller can now afford more bots. And the cycle is closed.

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Okay that may be a gross simplification, but you get the idea why it is a good idea to not have one global AH, and instead have thousands of individual smaller stores that make it virtually impossible to buy out all the goods to repost them at a higher price.

I already see in-game desperate attempts by gold sellers to infiltrate the guilds to gain access to their stores: FEMALE PLAYER LOOKING FOR AN INVITE INTO A GUILD WITH AT LEAST 100 MEMBERS! HUGS! (posted by a character named "fdhjhjjsdghg")

This is some serious tinfoil hat crap right here.


Just to point out the obvious, this doesn't happen. Been playing since 1999 and I've never seen this happen. The ONE solitary time I've seen something similar, it wasn't a gold seller, it was an individual and it was in regards to a no-drop mount, and it happened in SWTOR.

Jadeviper1974

I am kind of evolving on this issue. I understand what they were trying to do with the guild store's, however, when guilds are limited to 500 accounts, that is a max number of 2500 folks. Also since you can't search all 5 guilds at once its like trying to sell stuff in 5 different stores.

They need to link all of the "guild stores" together, or at least make it to where you can search all of them at once.

All guilds need to be made up of "characters" not accounts. Why would my Daggerfall character be a member of an AD guild, it really doesn't make sense.

Also, guild need to be expanded to be able to have up to 2000 members, that way you are selling to 10,000

Maybe they need to add a public AH and keep the guild stores, I don't know.

What they really need to do is stabilize the game, but they haven't made any credible attempts at that either.

JJDrakken

Have one Auction House on each Faction Side. Have it have a higher rate of money it takes back from the user.

Have all guild stores linked to auction house with a lower rate of posting. This allows access to all players. Gives bonuses to the Guild Stores. Allows everyone to search for specifics.

Final thing, make all auction houses linked between the 3 factions. This will offer larger pool to buyers. I don't see how this suggestion would be bad.

Sharee

Drachenfier wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Phadin wrote: »

I've had no trouble with the current system so far. I'm in one trade guild and one craft guild, and have been able to buy and sell just about everything I want to so far. I hate the idea of some massive auction house. In other MMOs I've tried playing where I havn't gotten in at the start of the game, I often find the AH useless because everything is priced so high a new player can never afford even the low level items.

Gold farmer uses a bot to farm gold (hundreds of bots). He has virtually unlimited source of gold.

Gold farmer goes to the global AH. Gold farmer buys out ALL resources(or something else that is in demand). He can, as he has unlimited source of gold.

Gold farmer reposts all the items he just bought, at a high price. Now he just monitors the market, and as soon as someone posts at a lower price, he immediately buys and reposts at his price.

Player Joe who got a few gold from normal gameplay goes to buy from global AH. He finds that the prices are insane, and he will never be able to afford it. And right after that he sees in chat "BUY CHEAP GOLD ONLY $5 per million of gold www.imadamngoldfarmer.com!!!!! HAVE A NICE DAY".

Joe thinks, hmm, it would take me a year to farm a million of gold, but this? Only $5, and i will be able to afford all the insane prices, TEMPTING!

Gold seller gets $$$ from Joe. Gold seller can now afford more bots. And the cycle is closed.

*************************
Okay that may be a gross simplification, but you get the idea why it is a good idea to not have one global AH, and instead have thousands of individual smaller stores that make it virtually impossible to buy out all the goods to repost them at a higher price.

I already see in-game desperate attempts by gold sellers to infiltrate the guilds to gain access to their stores: FEMALE PLAYER LOOKING FOR AN INVITE INTO A GUILD WITH AT LEAST 100 MEMBERS! HUGS! (posted by a character named "fdhjhjjsdghg")

This is some serious tinfoil hat crap right here.

<shrug>

That gold sellers are trying to get into player guilds is a fact anyone can verify right now in the game. I took that line about 'female player' straight out of game chat.
If you want to believe they do it just because they want to socialize, be my guest.

Drachenfier

Sharee wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Phadin wrote: »

I've had no trouble with the current system so far. I'm in one trade guild and one craft guild, and have been able to buy and sell just about everything I want to so far. I hate the idea of some massive auction house. In other MMOs I've tried playing where I havn't gotten in at the start of the game, I often find the AH useless because everything is priced so high a new player can never afford even the low level items.

Gold farmer uses a bot to farm gold (hundreds of bots). He has virtually unlimited source of gold.

Gold farmer goes to the global AH. Gold farmer buys out ALL resources(or something else that is in demand). He can, as he has unlimited source of gold.

Gold farmer reposts all the items he just bought, at a high price. Now he just monitors the market, and as soon as someone posts at a lower price, he immediately buys and reposts at his price.

Player Joe who got a few gold from normal gameplay goes to buy from global AH. He finds that the prices are insane, and he will never be able to afford it. And right after that he sees in chat "BUY CHEAP GOLD ONLY $5 per million of gold www.imadamngoldfarmer.com!!!!! HAVE A NICE DAY".

Joe thinks, hmm, it would take me a year to farm a million of gold, but this? Only $5, and i will be able to afford all the insane prices, TEMPTING!

Gold seller gets $$$ from Joe. Gold seller can now afford more bots. And the cycle is closed.

*************************
Okay that may be a gross simplification, but you get the idea why it is a good idea to not have one global AH, and instead have thousands of individual smaller stores that make it virtually impossible to buy out all the goods to repost them at a higher price.

I already see in-game desperate attempts by gold sellers to infiltrate the guilds to gain access to their stores: FEMALE PLAYER LOOKING FOR AN INVITE INTO A GUILD WITH AT LEAST 100 MEMBERS! HUGS! (posted by a character named "fdhjhjjsdghg")

This is some serious tinfoil hat crap right here.

<shrug>

That gold sellers are trying to get into player guilds is a fact anyone can verify right now in the game. I took that line about 'female player' straight out of game chat.
If you want to believe they do it just because they want to socialize, be my guest.

Oh I have no doubt. Gold sellers are a fact of life in MMO games. But all these claims that gold sellers will completely dominate the economy if an AH is put in place are simply false, especially in a Western MMO. Supply and demand drives a central economy, and its not like Aion or L2 (and other Korean grinders) where mobs drop barely any loot and no money, and decent gear/weapons are ultra rare. Just doesn't happen that way.

Vannor

Thread number 52 on this exact same subject. Zenimax have made it clear they do no see the introduction of a global AH in their plans. (the actual quote is on one of the other 51 threads ) They do plan on expanding the current system but using guilds.

Incidentally DAoC never did have an AH but with the introduction of player housing in an expansion they allowed all houses to have a merchant parked outside. If they plan something similar but solely for guild houses they would probably work.

Noth

Thesiren wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

I agree.. we need an auction house with the ability to text search for specific items...

I agree with this completely. If 12-year-old, single-megaserver Eve Online has had its main auction house trade hub, Jita, on its own server cluster for years, so can that be the case here. It's not like Bethesda/Zenimax don't have the money to put up an auction house with, either, besides the fact that they're charging high box fees and $15 a month for ESO.

EvE, is a unique beast and it's crafting system lends itself better to such a system (everything is time based and some things can take weeks of real time to make). Further even in EvE the best resources are found in low sec and nul sec meaning you have to risk pvp. Oh and then there is the fact that EvE has complete item loss. All that lends itself better to having an auction house that spans the megaserver.

Jeremy

Totally agree with the OP. We need a public auction house.

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

Thread number 52 on this exact same subject. Zenimax have made it clear they do no see the introduction of a global AH in their plans. (the actual quote is on one of the other 51 threads ) They do plan on expanding the current system but using guilds.
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Is that all? Just 52? I was hoping it would be higher.

They aren't taking this issue serious enough so I hope the thread number is in the hundreds by the end of the week.

Hawtsauce

Thread # 52 - sounds like more players want the AH than some people care to admit.

( Oh and judging from their grammar and spelling - I dont think a single one of the people in these threads supporting an AH is a gold farmer! )

Mosti

Libertine wrote: »

i love how everyone says "get in a trading guild" as a sort of counter argument...

have any of you actually considered the long term implications ? 500 people in a TG .. who takes care of inactive players ? discontinued accounts and whatnot in 3 months time ? how is a new player that starts in half a year supposed to find a decent trading guild for low level stuff when all the folk that are now in those big guilds will be lvlcapped for a long time and only high end stuff is available.

i hate the guild AH with a passion ... the hassle of switching through 5 different auction houses to maybe find the item im looking for...the lack of filters that make sense(like filtering to crafting materials for a certain profession)...the fact you can only post your item in one out of the five...the list goes on.

i do agree that global AH does have its drawbacks but it sure as hell is better than what is available right now.

Couldn't have said it better myself, this 100%

Maestro_Sartori

Zilas wrote: »

This game needs an auction house, not some website that almost nobody knows about, but an auction house. For example, I've got a lot of blue items now and they'r not selling in my guild store, I don't feel like spamming zone chat all day or posting each and every one of them on a forum almost nobody is on, The only problem I see with having an auction house right now is that it won't just be one server but ALL OF EU on one auction house, which means prices will be extremely low (considering all bots etc are on same server) but I'd prefer that over having no auction house at all, right now, it really sucks if you get something of high value and want to sell it, this just wont work out..

Yes I agree, the spam selling in zone chat is horrible, most of these guys are on ignore because of it.

cymatt

I agree.. we need an auction house with the ability to text search for specific items...

Endolith

I'm not opposed to having one, but I think I read a dev comment somewhere in which they said they're not going to add on. If they do, eventually, I doubt it will be for quite some time, and not until after they've dealt with the numerous other issues.

mutharex

Noth wrote: »

Thesiren wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

I agree.. we need an auction house with the ability to text search for specific items...

I agree with this completely. If 12-year-old, single-megaserver Eve Online has had its main auction house trade hub, Jita, on its own server cluster for years, so can that be the case here. It's not like Bethesda/Zenimax don't have the money to put up an auction house with, either, besides the fact that they're charging high box fees and $15 a month for ESO.

EvE, is a unique beast and it's crafting system lends itself better to such a system (everything is time based and some things can take weeks of real time to make). Further even in EvE the best resources are found in low sec and nul sec meaning you have to risk pvp. Oh and then there is the fact that EvE has complete item loss. All that lends itself better to having an auction house that spans the megaserver.

EVE AHs are regional and not connected.

mutharex

Jeremy wrote: »

Totally agree with the OP. We need a public auction house.

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

Thread number 52 on this exact same subject. Zenimax have made it clear they do no see the introduction of a global AH in their plans. (the actual quote is on one of the other 51 threads ) They do plan on expanding the current system but using guilds.
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Is that all? Just 52? I was hoping it would be higher.

They aren't taking this issue serious enough so I hope the thread number is in the hundreds by the end of the week.

Ehr wrong, they are absolutely ignoring the issue because... there isn't one. You might feel there is and important, but I can absolutely guarantee that with time even these threads will disappear or be more isolated. Like all the others

Gedalya

Here we go again...

Flame on!

Thechemicals

An auction house will damage the economy and make the game a "why play for items? I can buy em". This happened to diablo3 and they had to remove the ingame auction house as well as the real money auction house. The common sense can be found there, because if you buy items, you have no reason to play for items and you reduce the value of questing for items and finding gear. People arent complaining they want an auction house because they cant find gear, they are complaining because they want to make gold.

You can deconstruct your goods if they arent selling or give them to twinks or use the guild store or the online store. I dont want a place that sells all the best items in the game where ill spend tons of my time just browsing and selling.

Hawtsauce

In D3 grinding for better gear is literally all there is to do ...

In ESO , in order to buy everything you want and need you will still have to farm mats or items to sell on AH to pay for those things.

Jeremy

mutharex wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Totally agree with the OP. We need a public auction house.

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

Thread number 52 on this exact same subject. Zenimax have made it clear they do no see the introduction of a global AH in their plans. (the actual quote is on one of the other 51 threads ) They do plan on expanding the current system but using guilds.
.

Is that all? Just 52? I was hoping it would be higher.

They aren't taking this issue serious enough so I hope the thread number is in the hundreds by the end of the week.

Ehr wrong, they are absolutely ignoring the issue because... there isn't one. You might feel there is and important, but I can absolutely guarantee that with time even these threads will disappear or be more isolated. Like all the others

Considering the amount of threads I have seen on this subject and the results of forum polls, I would say the last thing you could accuse me of being is isolated.

This may not be an issue for you. But for anyone who is actually wanting to buy or trade with some kind of consistent success it is. And I guarantee you that unless the developers take steps to improve this situation, it's going to become more of a problem, not less of one.

This isn't an issue that's just going to go away like you think.

Thechemicals

Hawtsauce wrote: »

In D3 grinding for better gear is literally all there is to do ...

In ESO , in order to buy everything you want and need you will still have to farm mats or items to sell on AH to pay for those things.

Incorrect. Diablo3 has a crafting system where you have to get materials and complete certain quests to get materials. Tome of secrets and Gems and Keys for hellfire rings are just a few examples.

Again, this issue is about making gold and not about people unable to find good gear. It could also be that people want to buy massive amounts of materials to make massive amounts of items and that is inflationary still. Auction house is a terrible idea. This isnt the game for that.

Jeremy

Endolith wrote: »

I'm not opposed to having one, but I think I read a dev comment somewhere in which they said they're not going to add on. If they do, eventually, I doubt it will be for quite some time, and not until after they've dealt with the numerous other issues.

I've heard about this comment as well. I hope they walk it back.

Developer comments are not set in stone though. And they could always reconsider. So I wouldn't call this a dead issue, though you are probably right and I'm pissing in the wind. But I hope not.

Drachenfier

Lack of AH will cost them subs, so eventually one will be instituted. Its kind of like the LFG tool....it always finds its way into games, because players want it.

I'd be fine with faction AH, doesn't need to be global. But the current system is awful, and I honestly don't see any amount of UI streamlining changing that.

Jeremy

Drachenfier wrote: »

Lack of AH will cost them subs, so eventually one will be instituted. Its kind of like the LFG tool....it always finds its way into games, because players want it.

I'd be fine with faction AH, doesn't need to be global. But the current system is awful, and I honestly don't see any amount of UI streamlining changing that.

Agreed. And I could live with a faction-based auction house. Would be far and away better than what we have now.

dpayne83_ESO

Personally I don't want one but these threads are becoming entertaining flame wars in which "Knows whats best gamer1" and "Knows whats best gamer2" square off against each other over and over in the thread. I'm pretty sure the devs said they weren't implementing a super AH. So really all these posts about "I want an AH and I don't care about the cons" are pointless and take up space on the forum. Yes, the current system needs work...that's why they plan on expanding on it, to fix issues and make it a little bit more user friendly. Also there's a fun fact: Did you know that the maximum amount of items you can post for sale is 30, period, across all 5 auction houses? To the OP: if you can't sell your blues, try to find a new trading guild or just deconstruct them. I deconstruct everything I find and don't use...and I still have money for 42k mount and everything else I need.

Zilas

Well, a faction based auction house would help & make more sense, It would at least mean less people look at the AH and post stuff on AH, something you'd want considering all of EU is on the same server.


I just know the current system wont remain, who knows, maybe they have brainstormed about this considering the amount of complains received about this.

Even if they add a search filter and everything else that has been suggested, it still wont fulfill our needs..

If I want to go farm something for a few hours and then sell my blue/epics I would like to do so by just putting them on an auction house, not spamming zone chat, just put on AH, wait a few hours, and sell, while at a guild trading post, this will easily take days if it at all gets sold.

scoupster

My view on this is that I believe there should be something. Like one guild vendor for each guild located in a vendor hall or tent. something that will let each guild get their stuff out to the people not in their guild. kind of like an extension of the guild store but the vendor only sells doesn't buy and anyone can buy. Obviously I have more detail but I wont get into that here.

But until that never happens if you are in a sizeable guild maybe 200+ people and still cant sell something, then maybe you are asking too much money.

since what you put up for sale can only be viewed by so many people you cant afford to think this is like any other MMO where people can corner the market or drive up prices on items. in some cases you will need to put the greedy side away and be reasonable considering the guild your in.

Everyone has the choice to find another guild that sells stuff for more money. Personally no matter what I sell in my guild I always just use the recommended price that is offered. I don't mark anything up anymore. doesn't matter if its some ultra rare item I try to keep my items fairly priced so not just elitists can buy them. To me, this is a game. the money isn't real. its not going to help me in RL.

As a consumer I can join up to 5 guilds so I browse all of those guilds for the best deal I can find. so the guy charging 1k gold wont sell his since im buying the same thing for 100 gold from another guild.

erich199

It seems a little "redundant" to have those said "hundreds of auctions houses".

What incentive is there to join a guild, other than said auction house and guild banks? None. People in this game don't group until level 50 (because they are forced to due to npcs being really difficult). If they would add some perks to joining a guild like bonus buffs or 10% xp increase etc etc . . .

One thing that might be interesting is if you could link multiple guild auction houses together. Say, my guild has an alliance with a b c guilds. Our auction houses are joined together and increases the amount of people from 500 to 1500.

I see some potential in "guild only" auction houses. But as it stands right now, I don't see the value.

I would say that at this point, global auction house is something needed. On top of gold spammers in chat, I also have to see people spamming to sell their ***. Seems like it would take the unnecessary bans off of the developers shoulders as well to introduce a global auction house. Cuts down on chat spams.

At this point, I think there are more important things to worry about in the game than auction houses. I feel like they should get the servers stable so we don't have 30 min load times. I would also like to see more incentive to grouping. This mmo seems to be the biggest single player rpg game I've ever seen.

Just my personal view on it.

Thechemicals

5 guilds to buy and sell goods, thats 2500 players. If you are having problems, then find a new guild to sell your stuff in. An implementation of an auction house on a mega server just will not work, but even if they did want to change that, what would become of the guild store? Just remove that feature?