This game needs smaller scale pvp like arena or 10v10

Kiash

Starnes wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Starnes wrote: »

sk8ingeckoub17_ESO wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

PF1901 wrote: »

Getting a tad sick of these kind of threads (pvp, ah, quickslots). When I joined this game I was positively surprised it at least tries to be a bit different than the usual (boring) fodder. Now all these people ask for stuff turning this exactly into the same routine as most other games out there offer. Worst of all the game itself has now been live for how long? A meager two weeks. Give it a rest folks! Let things evolve a bit first. No offence but this seems to me to be the typical "I want and I want it now" syndrome which in all honesty makes me sick.

Chat forums are not for you if suggestions make you sick. Also, pretending lack of features is a feature is silly. This game isn't that different, it's just really basic. Not good for longevity. Not good at all.

This game is different but what is different you see as basic... that doesn't mean its bad for longevity its just different then what you are accustomed to... maybe its not what you like so its not good for you but I don't see this game disappearing because it doesn't cater to the instanced arena / bg crowd...

Having organised pvp is going to retain and draw in players, that cannot be denied, which means it is good for the overall development and growth of this game, which will even benefit the players like you that don't want arenas as more subscription money will come in to support continued growth and development of the game.

But.. this game has organized pvp.

You might want to look into it

Cyrodiil, while fun, is not organised pvp, it's pure chaos. Lone wolves, disparate levels/skills, large zergs, several groups with limited coordination, unbalanced populations. I'm not saying it can't be amusing but you're comparing playing "King of the Mountain" to Football, and you very well know it.

Well I guess it's good I like football instead of King of the Mountain. I guess Cyrodiil is for me but not for you and that's all there is to it.

mutharex

Starnes wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Starnes wrote: »

sk8ingeckoub17_ESO wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

PF1901 wrote: »

Getting a tad sick of these kind of threads (pvp, ah, quickslots). When I joined this game I was positively surprised it at least tries to be a bit different than the usual (boring) fodder. Now all these people ask for stuff turning this exactly into the same routine as most other games out there offer. Worst of all the game itself has now been live for how long? A meager two weeks. Give it a rest folks! Let things evolve a bit first. No offence but this seems to me to be the typical "I want and I want it now" syndrome which in all honesty makes me sick.

Chat forums are not for you if suggestions make you sick. Also, pretending lack of features is a feature is silly. This game isn't that different, it's just really basic. Not good for longevity. Not good at all.

This game is different but what is different you see as basic... that doesn't mean its bad for longevity its just different then what you are accustomed to... maybe its not what you like so its not good for you but I don't see this game disappearing because it doesn't cater to the instanced arena / bg crowd...

Having organised pvp is going to retain and draw in players, that cannot be denied, which means it is good for the overall development and growth of this game, which will even benefit the players like you that don't want arenas as more subscription money will come in to support continued growth and development of the game.

But.. this game has organized pvp.

You might want to look into it

Cyrodiil, while fun, is not organised pvp, it's pure chaos. Lone wolves, disparate levels/skills, large zergs, several groups with limited coordination, unbalanced populations. I'm not saying it can't be amusing but you're comparing playing "King of the Mountain" to Football, and you very well know it.

I think you might want to make some friends in game, it helps. And change campaign

mutharex

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Two people can capture resources unmolested.
Seven people can take a keep unmolested.

When you talk about "15 skilled and organized people in arenas" I think you are just wasting breath.

15 skilled and organized people can take keeps, and will inevitably draw defenders to them. These same people can overcome a group of 30 uncoordinated and unorganized enemy players.

You might not be able to take a keep from them... but that is the fun and challenge... to be the one of the few small teams that can.

Why settle for a "15 people arena" when you can have all of Cyrodiil with 15 people. If you control the map, then switch to a different one where you are the underdog.

Laziness I suppose?

Gohlar

Starnes wrote: »

Cyrodiil, while fun, is not organised pvp, it's pure chaos. Lone wolves, disparate levels/skills, large zergs, several groups with limited coordination, unbalanced populations. I'm not saying it can't be amusing but you're comparing playing "King of the Mountain" to Football, and you very well know it.

Man, read the thread. It's not worth your time. They either don't get it or don't want to. They even resort to the "this isn't that kind of game" nonsense to virtually any suggestion, as if the game is complete and total perfection. It's the most obtuse forum I've ever seen for an mmo.

sk8ingeckoub17_ESO

Starnes wrote: »

This game is different but what is different you see as basic... that doesn't mean its bad for longevity its just different then what you are accustomed to... maybe its not what you like so its not good for you but I don't see this game disappearing because it doesn't cater to the instanced arena / bg crowd...
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Having organised pvp is going to retain and draw in players, that cannot be denied, which means it is good for the overall development and growth of this game, which will even benefit the players like you that don't want arenas as more subscription money will come in to support continued growth and development of the game.[/quote]

This game is doing just fine... as I have said it already has organized pvp in every avenue people have asked for as far as size of groups. Whether you are unwilling or to lazy to go look for where the pvp that you like is happening doesn't make it not already readily available to use.

Having the pvp you want won't draw players in that otherwise aren't already in the game this is pretty faulty logic. There are already so many games that have the bg / arena that adding one more to the mix will do nothing to make people want to leave there current set up for a new game that's more of the same. This game like DAOC and like EVE offers a totally different aspect of pvp to the arena / bg crowd. some will love it and some will hate it but in the end it will do just fine on its own as it is now.

The only thing I really think it needs but this is entirely my opinion... is some form of realm ranks / realm leveling...

Kiash

Gohlar wrote: »

Starnes wrote: »

Cyrodiil, while fun, is not organised pvp, it's pure chaos. Lone wolves, disparate levels/skills, large zergs, several groups with limited coordination, unbalanced populations. I'm not saying it can't be amusing but you're comparing playing "King of the Mountain" to Football, and you very well know it.

Man, read the thread. It's not worth your time. They either don't get it or don't want to. They even resort to the "this isn't that kind of game" nonsense to virtually any suggestion, as if the game is complete and total perfection. It's the most obtuse forum I've ever seen for an mmo.

I agree, trying to change this game into WoW isn't worth your time, you should probably just play WoW. No offense intended either, it just is what it is.

Foul_Corsair

If you want small scale/arena pvp then go elsewhere. The pvp in cyrodiil can give you everything you want. If you can't find it then look closer but we do not need eso to be carved ever smaller to accommodate a minority of gamers. Its fine as it is but tbh it will likely end up being brought in at some stage along with f2p

Starnes

Kiash wrote: »

Starnes wrote: »

sk8ingeckoub17_ESO wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

PF1901 wrote: »

Getting a tad sick of these kind of threads (pvp, ah, quickslots). When I joined this game I was positively surprised it at least tries to be a bit different than the usual (boring) fodder. Now all these people ask for stuff turning this exactly into the same routine as most other games out there offer. Worst of all the game itself has now been live for how long? A meager two weeks. Give it a rest folks! Let things evolve a bit first. No offence but this seems to me to be the typical "I want and I want it now" syndrome which in all honesty makes me sick.

Chat forums are not for you if suggestions make you sick. Also, pretending lack of features is a feature is silly. This game isn't that different, it's just really basic. Not good for longevity. Not good at all.

This game is different but what is different you see as basic... that doesn't mean its bad for longevity its just different then what you are accustomed to... maybe its not what you like so its not good for you but I don't see this game disappearing because it doesn't cater to the instanced arena / bg crowd...

Having organised pvp is going to retain and draw in players, that cannot be denied, which means it is good for the overall development and growth of this game, which will even benefit the players like you that don't want arenas as more subscription money will come in to support continued growth and development of the game.

I disagree, organized PvP has hurt every game it has touched - Rift, WoW, GW2, etc. It breeds a type of community undesirable and ends up being a ghost town in PvP from everything I have seen. Arenas destroyed WoW's PvP community, GW2 may as well not even have an arena PvP mode as on any given night I see about 50-100 people playing the instanced PvP in a game that sold over 3 million copies. It's just not even worth the resources for the amount of negatives it brings into the game.

You may disagree but everything you've said about arenas is pure supposition. I'd also like to know which form of pvp the introduction of arenas destroyed in WoW? The battlegrounds (which were organised) or the world pvp that involved meaningless skirmishes without purpose or effect around Hillsbrad that were amusing for maybe an hour a week?

Gohlar

Kiash wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

Starnes wrote: »

Cyrodiil, while fun, is not organised pvp, it's pure chaos. Lone wolves, disparate levels/skills, large zergs, several groups with limited coordination, unbalanced populations. I'm not saying it can't be amusing but you're comparing playing "King of the Mountain" to Football, and you very well know it.

Man, read the thread. It's not worth your time. They either don't get it or don't want to. They even resort to the "this isn't that kind of game" nonsense to virtually any suggestion, as if the game is complete and total perfection. It's the most obtuse forum I've ever seen for an mmo.

I agree, trying to change this game into WoW isn't worth your time, you should probably just play WoW. No offense intended either, it just is what it is.

I wasn't expecting validation, but I'll take it.

Pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. You'll notice a lot of WoW obsession as well, they think everything has to be like WoW.

Kiash

Gohlar wrote: »

Kiash wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

Starnes wrote: »

Cyrodiil, while fun, is not organised pvp, it's pure chaos. Lone wolves, disparate levels/skills, large zergs, several groups with limited coordination, unbalanced populations. I'm not saying it can't be amusing but you're comparing playing "King of the Mountain" to Football, and you very well know it.

Man, read the thread. It's not worth your time. They either don't get it or don't want to. They even resort to the "this isn't that kind of game" nonsense to virtually any suggestion, as if the game is complete and total perfection. It's the most obtuse forum I've ever seen for an mmo.

I agree, trying to change this game into WoW isn't worth your time, you should probably just play WoW. No offense intended either, it just is what it is.

I wasn't expecting validation, but I'll take it.

Pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. You'll notice a lot of WoW obsession as well, they think everything has to be like WoW.

You guys are the ones asking for WoW PvP. Don't be so shocked when you are "validated".

Gohlar

Kiash wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

Kiash wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

Starnes wrote: »

Cyrodiil, while fun, is not organised pvp, it's pure chaos. Lone wolves, disparate levels/skills, large zergs, several groups with limited coordination, unbalanced populations. I'm not saying it can't be amusing but you're comparing playing "King of the Mountain" to Football, and you very well know it.

Man, read the thread. It's not worth your time. They either don't get it or don't want to. They even resort to the "this isn't that kind of game" nonsense to virtually any suggestion, as if the game is complete and total perfection. It's the most obtuse forum I've ever seen for an mmo.

I agree, trying to change this game into WoW isn't worth your time, you should probably just play WoW. No offense intended either, it just is what it is.

I wasn't expecting validation, but I'll take it.

Pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. You'll notice a lot of WoW obsession as well, they think everything has to be like WoW.

You guys are the ones asking for WoW PvP. Don't be so shocked when you are "validated".

All non zerg pvp is "WoW pvp". See what I mean?

Want to know what's funny? If WoW had zerg pvp and eso didn't, you would STRONGLY oppose eso making Cyrodiil.

But yeah, this little exchange is what happens on this forum. It's pretty funny really.

sk8ingeckoub17_ESO

Gohlar wrote: »

Starnes wrote: »

Cyrodiil, while fun, is not organised pvp, it's pure chaos. Lone wolves, disparate levels/skills, large zergs, several groups with limited coordination, unbalanced populations. I'm not saying it can't be amusing but you're comparing playing "King of the Mountain" to Football, and you very well know it.

Man, read the thread. It's not worth your time. They either don't get it or don't want to. They even resort to the "this isn't that kind of game" nonsense to virtually any suggestion, as if the game is complete and total perfection. It's the most obtuse forum I've ever seen for an mmo.

so because we do not want bg's and arena's our opinion is non sense. the truth is every game since wow has had bg's most have also had arenas or some form of tournament... how many are still valid? how many that have catered to this crowd have survived as sub based games since?

The answer is none... there is not a single game that has catered to the instanced bg and arena crowd since wow that is still successful as a sub based pvp experience.

so your logic that it will solve the world, or its needed isn't actually true. its just what you wish to have in the game because that's either what you are used to or love. which I respect but disagree that it needs to take over yet another game.

This game doesn't need bg's or arenas to have great competitive pvp. the game just needs time to grow and develop a community. It needs small things that will allow a players to recognize and develop feuds with other groups.

Things that really could be added to help the community develop flavor would be showable guild names and maybe cloaks, patches, or some other flair item that shows your allegiance to that primary pvp guild of yours. Realm ranks with showable rank (say aldemeri dominion soldier, aldmeri noble, aldmeri prince) type thing that show how much experience your particular character has in the pvp world.

the rest will get taken care of by the community without needing instance bg's or arenas

zaria

mstout7419b14_ESO wrote: »

sk8ingeckoub17_ESO wrote: »

Also as far as incentive all ZOS really needs to do is add Alliance Ranks or Realm Ranks or whatever they want to call it. you get more points for 1on1 or small scale battles (each person is worth x points divided by the amount of people that hit them) have those realm ability points be spendable on things like increase chance to crit as well as active abilities like cleanse cc or increased speed for x seconds.... and we would have incentive for all forms of pvp... and incentive for pvp in general...

I totally agree with this

Excellent idea, special bonus if you win a 1v2-3 fight or a string of 1v1, the things you get medals for in real life armies.

Starnes

Kiash wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

Kiash wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

Starnes wrote: »

Cyrodiil, while fun, is not organised pvp, it's pure chaos. Lone wolves, disparate levels/skills, large zergs, several groups with limited coordination, unbalanced populations. I'm not saying it can't be amusing but you're comparing playing "King of the Mountain" to Football, and you very well know it.

Man, read the thread. It's not worth your time. They either don't get it or don't want to. They even resort to the "this isn't that kind of game" nonsense to virtually any suggestion, as if the game is complete and total perfection. It's the most obtuse forum I've ever seen for an mmo.

I agree, trying to change this game into WoW isn't worth your time, you should probably just play WoW. No offense intended either, it just is what it is.

I wasn't expecting validation, but I'll take it.

Pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. You'll notice a lot of WoW obsession as well, they think everything has to be like WoW.

You guys are the ones asking for WoW PvP. Don't be so shocked when you are "validated".

We aren't asking for WoW pvp, we are asking for arenas which are completely in setting with an Elder Scrolls mmorpg. You're the one associating arenas to WoW. Cyrodiil without an arena is like ancient Rome without the Colloseum, it just doesn't fit.

mutharex

Not necessarily just for the bg and arena people, but also to all the ones asking for nametags, ah and 20 hotbars:
it's not that people are telling you to go back to WoW. It's that... you seem to want to play WoW. But this is the farthest thing from WoW I can imagine.

Gohlar

sk8ingeckoub17_ESO wrote: »

so because we do not want bg's and arena's our opinion is non sense. the truth is every game since wow has had bg's most have also had arenas or some form of tournament... how many are still valid? how many that have catered to this crowd have survived as sub based games since?

The answer is none... there is not a single game that has catered to the instanced bg and arena crowd since wow that is still successful as a sub based pvp experience.

I shouldn't lump everyone together, you're right. But look what happened after lol.

You are still making an unnecessary either/or argument. Giving pvpers something else to do isn't catering the entire game towards anyone. It's just adding variety.

Kiash

Gohlar wrote: »

Kiash wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

Kiash wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

Starnes wrote: »

Cyrodiil, while fun, is not organised pvp, it's pure chaos. Lone wolves, disparate levels/skills, large zergs, several groups with limited coordination, unbalanced populations. I'm not saying it can't be amusing but you're comparing playing "King of the Mountain" to Football, and you very well know it.

Man, read the thread. It's not worth your time. They either don't get it or don't want to. They even resort to the "this isn't that kind of game" nonsense to virtually any suggestion, as if the game is complete and total perfection. It's the most obtuse forum I've ever seen for an mmo.

I agree, trying to change this game into WoW isn't worth your time, you should probably just play WoW. No offense intended either, it just is what it is.

I wasn't expecting validation, but I'll take it.

Pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. You'll notice a lot of WoW obsession as well, they think everything has to be like WoW.

You guys are the ones asking for WoW PvP. Don't be so shocked when you are "validated".

All non zerg pvp is "WoW pvp". See what I mean?

Want to know what's funny? If WoW had zerg pvp and eso didn't, you would STRONGLY oppose eso making Cyrodiil.

But yeah, this little exchange is what happens on this forum. It's pretty funny really.

Incorrect, "zerg PvP" (read: PvP with strategy beyond team composition) would be a welcome addition to WoW and would cause me to play the game again most likely. I have been playing RvR since DAoC's release. Strategy and a game mode that could actually form a PvP community would be a welcome addition to WoW, and I would still encourage it for ESO as well. Not everyone wants the deathmatch crowd invading their games. There are hundreds of games out there that provide what you want, and ESO is slightly unique in it's approach to PvP. Wanting to make it less strategic and bland just for the sake of simplicity is foolish.

You bring no valid argument to the table beyond "I'm right, you are wrong."

As far as I'm concerned this conversation is a dead end. Arena's are WoW PvP, there is no denying that.

Gohlar

Starnes wrote: »

We aren't asking for WoW pvp, we are asking for arenas which are completely in setting with an Elder Scrolls mmorpg. You're the one associating arenas to WoW. Cyrodiil without an arena is like ancient Rome without the Colloseum, it just doesn't fit.

I know, how is there not an arena? People could click on a seat to queue up for a turn and watch. Or it could be any number of things. It could be something totally unique and appropriate.

But instead people want to talk about WoW. It's frustrating.

sk8ingeckoub17_ESO

Gohlar wrote: »

Starnes wrote: »

We aren't asking for WoW pvp, we are asking for arenas which are completely in setting with an Elder Scrolls mmorpg. You're the one associating arenas to WoW. Cyrodiil without an arena is like ancient Rome without the Colloseum, it just doesn't fit.

I know, how is there not an arena? People could click on a seat to queue up for a turn and watch. Or it could be any number of things. It could be something totally unique and appropriate.

But instead people want to talk about WoW. It's frustrating.

The reason people are talking about WoW is its a perfect example of the path a game will likely take as it introduces instanced pvp. And its not one that those of us against it want to see taken.

How long after the introduction of an arena do you think it will take for the first post to scream for rewards for winning arenas, or for a score board, ranks, etc? How long before balancing gets done not for pve and large scale pvp which have relatively similar balancing needs but for 2v2 and 3v3 fights?

and if they add it and don't incentivize it outside of the arena itself how long before all the world and effort they put in to give you this feature is ignored similar to what we are slowly seeing done in gw2 with their instanced version of the bg?

the other option, and the one ZOS has taken so far is to understand that if you give a community a big enough play ground people will separate into different areas of that playground to do different things. its just like watching kids at the playground some will take their ball and go play basketball, others kickball and still others will play soccer. you have them the same basic tools but they used the size of the playground to make the groups (communities) they wanted and adapted...

PF1901

Gohlar wrote: »

PF1901 wrote: »

Getting a tad sick of these kind of threads (pvp, ah, quickslots). When I joined this game I was positively surprised it at least tries to be a bit different than the usual (boring) fodder. Now all these people ask for stuff turning this exactly into the same routine as most other games out there offer. Worst of all the game itself has now been live for how long? A meager two weeks. Give it a rest folks! Let things evolve a bit first. No offence but this seems to me to be the typical "I want and I want it now" syndrome which in all honesty makes me sick.

Chat forums are not for you if suggestions make you sick. Also, pretending lack of features is a feature is silly. This game isn't that different, it's just really basic. Not good for longevity. Not good at all.

You come off sounding pretty ignorant.
Ever considered that Zeni (or whatever the name is) had a certain vision and goal of how this game and / or the pvp in it should be? Most likely they just twiddled and fiddled whatever came to their minds during development...

Gash

There has been a lot of action on this post since I have gone away.
I am finally back to eso.
I actually maybe able to enjoy some pvp now. I have getting myself a amd 280x and it destroys the game XD.