This game needs smaller scale pvp like arena or 10v10

Gash

This game needs smaller scale bgs. I finally reached level 10 (with the small amount of time I get to play on the game) and thought I would play some pvp.
When I got to cryodil I didn't have a clue what was happening. My Fps dropped below 25 Fps with loads of people on screen. and it was just all a mess.
What is everyone else's view on this? Do you think this game would be better with smaller pvp?

These large scale battles just don't work well on people pcs who can't handle it. I get 50+Fps in open world but come to cryodil it drops loads when alot of action is happening.
I know I could upgrade my graphics but the pc I'm using is brand new.

KerinKor

Zenimax's vision of PVP is the 'real deal', large-scale battles rather than artifical 'arenas' or zone maps that are dominated by one side or the other.

Yes, it may need some PC power but it's 'epic' PVP rather than small-scale skirmishes that most other games' PVP consists of.

Gohlar

Even setting aside performance issues, some smaller scale combat would be a welcome change of pace.

Kerin, the PvP here is very generic and has been done by several games already. Don't get me wrong, it works great. But the numbers game of zerg warfare can get tiresome. Someplace to showcase some skills might not be a bad idea. Also, variety is good!

Every suggestion on the forum is met with "it's fine the way it is" for some reason. It would be a shame if this was all the pvp the game ever had to offer.

Laura

First I'll say that I love the pvp in this game. My computer is pretty bad and I'm able to play it decently by putting all the "check" settings on the bottom down, setting my shadows to low or off, and then turning particles down to low.


All that said arenas have always been a ES staple and I'm not sure why it isn't in this. Fighting monsters or other people either way is very elder scrolls.

Vikova

The main concern with small scale PvP is that it would lessen the amount of people participating in the large scale PvP - and thus make it lackluster.

griffn

No, and I repeat absolutely not, arena in world of warcraft and the micro balances that followed, has had a very adverse affect on class balance for pve and has really stripped out a lot of things that makes each class unique.

While the latter is not as important in this game, I'd rather not have my tanking abilities hampered because some scrub couldn't kill a tank in small scale competitive pvp and is crying for nerf.

Gohlar

griffn wrote: »

No, and I repeat absolutely not, arena in world of warcraft and the micro balances that followed, has had a very adverse affect on class balance for pve and has really stripped out a lot of things that makes each class unique.

While the latter is not as important in this game, I'd rather not have my tanking abilities hampered because some scrub couldn't kill a tank in small scale competitive pvp and is crying for nerf.

This isn't WoW.

The game is missing pvp where individual skill matters. That's kind of a shame.

griffn

I never said it is, but this is an mmo, I mean this occurs just about in any multiplayer game, big battles sort of drown class imbalances (in this case skill imbalances) out, but the moment we go in to small scale competitive pvp, Everything gets magnified, Class balance around pvp is a never ending quest, a fools errand, let's not go there

Gohlar

griffn wrote: »

I never said it is, but this is an mmo, I mean this occurs just about in any multiplayer game, big battles sort of drown class imbalances (in this case skill imbalances) out, but the moment we go in to small scale competitive pvp, Everything gets magnified, Class balance around pvp is a never ending quest, a fools errand, let's not go there

You can't let fear paralyze you from making a decent game. Everything that happens in WoW doesn't need to happen here. Completely different game, completely different play style. Apples and oranges.

Besdies, they could do something like 10v10 or 20v20, it doesn't have to go the e-sport route like WoW. The game has good combat, it would be a shame to not have any pvp where individual actions matter.

Vivec

KerinKor wrote: »

Zenimax's vision of PVP is the 'real deal', large-scale battles rather than artifical 'arenas' or zone maps that are dominated by one side or the other.

Yes, it may need some PC power but it's 'epic' PVP rather than small-scale skirmishes that most other games' PVP consists of.

Gank squads and zerg-fests are hardly what I would call "epic" PvP. Putting 2 extremely skilled teams in an arena together however... I would choose that over AvA any day.

pysgod1978b14_ESO

They wanted medieval style combat. Not groups of duelists. I could see at least having a small arena where single combat or a few from each faction could battle it out. No, and I do mean no, WoW style ridiculous battleground combat for gear points or whatever dumb crap blizzard pulls out of their fourth point on the yells of their idiot base.

YuccaPalm

Many people ask for small scale PvP and arenas so I think they will add it eventually. If not they will add it as soon as it's free to play because ppl left cause of the lack of PvP varity.

Gohlar

Because medieval style combat is shooting magic at each other and pooping out catapults.

It's a game.

rawne1980b16_ESO

Not a fan of small scale fights. They bore me.

People keep talking about "skill based" arena yet arena fights are "who has the best gear and build" wins, skill rarely has anything to do with it.

On top of that, everyone can stealth so you'd spend the first 10 minutes of a match up trying to find someone to fight.

Unless they find you first and if they build for stealth based opening crit damage then you will last a few seconds.

Not to mention if you are unlucky enough to have gone down the vampire path and try and go one on one with Dragon Knight ... that 50% extra fire damage you take sure is a good idea for "skill" based fighting isn't it?

But go ahead ... put it in.

These forums are really missing a lot more "Templars are OP" ... "Healers don;t die" ... "Dragon Knights take too long to kill" ... "Nightblades do too much opening damage".

The only skill I see coming from arena's is the mystically art of whining as much as possible on a forum about how OP everything else is compared to them.

Gohlar

Why even post that Rawne? Afraid of some skill based competition? Sure seems like it to me.

I think a lot of people failed in WoW and hold a lot of animosity as a result. No matter the reason, the obsession with WoW or insistence that everything has to be EXACTLY like WoW is mind boggling. I guess that's when these guys started playing. It's possible to do pvp other than total zerg and not be a WoW clone. Shocking, I know.

If WoW had zerg combat and eso didn't, would you argue against that too? You probably would lol.

YuccaPalm

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Not a fan of small scale fights. They bore me.

People keep talking about "skill based" arena yet arena fights are "who has the best gear and build" wins, skill rarely has anything to do with it.

On top of that, everyone can stealth so you'd spend the first 10 minutes of a match up trying to find someone to fight.

Unless they find you first and if they build for stealth based opening crit damage then you will last a few seconds.

Not to mention if you are unlucky enough to have gone down the vampire path and try and go one on one with Dragon Knight ... that 50% extra fire damage you take sure is a good idea for "skill" based fighting isn't it?

But go ahead ... put it in.

These forums are really missing a lot more "Templars are OP" ... "Healers don;t die" ... "Dragon Knights take too long to kill" ... "Nightblades do too much opening damage".

The only skill I see coming from arena's is the mystically art of whining as much as possible on a forum about how OP everything else is compared to them.

I see you have no clue of PvP. Casual players like you should just not do PvP at all. Sentences like ,,the one with the best gear wins'' just make me laugh.

pysgod1978b14_ESO

WoW PvP isn't skill based. Its running around hitting tab to target and hitting buttons then hitting them again when they cool down. Add to the fact its based on where you put your points, and whether you have good gear or not because you raided a dungeon or six for the umpteen millionth time. Hoping for that great drop you know the boss has because you looked it up on a website and you and your buddies know every mobs moves and attacks and what to pull first. I played ow when it had open world PvP and the game was fun. Then blizzard BGed the crap out it because of whiners and facerolling babies.

Kiash

The last thing this game needs is to entice the BOOM HEADSHOT FPS kiddies to come play. Those guys ruin communities, so yes I would say Arena and BG PvP is detrimental to any game it has been implemented in.

edit: nvm OP is trolling disregard, didn't realize he was complaining just to complain. Apologies all!

Gohlar

YuccaPalm wrote: »

I see you have no clue of PvP. Casual players like you should just not do PvP at all. Sentences like ,,the one with the best gear wins'' just make me laugh.

I think you are correct, their insecurity on this issue runs deep. They should probably just stay out of PvP. It's too much for some people and that's ok.

Tuinslang

It would be really cool if you can play 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 or some other format versus each other, by challenging and maybe giving each other rewards for winning.

The only current way to play these formats is by going in PvP and travelling to an empty place to face each other, but that still doesn't count out that some other player will interrupt these battles.

I hope there will be some challenge mode in the game. If it's already there, just quote me and say so please.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Gash wrote: »

This game needs smaller scale bgs. I finally reached level 10 (with the small amount of time I get to play on the game) and thought I would play some pvp.
When I got to cryodil I didn't have a clue what was happening. My Fps dropped below 25 Fps with loads of people on screen. and it was just all a mess.
What is everyone else's view on this? Do you think this game would be better with smaller pvp?

These large scale battles just don't work well on people pcs who can't handle it. I get 50+Fps in open world but come to cryodil it drops loads when alot of action is happening.
I know I could upgrade my graphics but the pc I'm using is brand new.

NO. NO. NO. Yous start adding arena pvp and cyrodil pvp will die out.

RustyBlades

Uhm, I'd be tempted to do a small scale PvP capture the dragon skull match. Which I normally avoid PvP.

YuccaPalm

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Gash wrote: »

This game needs smaller scale bgs. I finally reached level 10 (with the small amount of time I get to play on the game) and thought I would play some pvp.
When I got to cryodil I didn't have a clue what was happening. My Fps dropped below 25 Fps with loads of people on screen. and it was just all a mess.
What is everyone else's view on this? Do you think this game would be better with smaller pvp?

These large scale battles just don't work well on people pcs who can't handle it. I get 50+Fps in open world but come to cryodil it drops loads when alot of action is happening.
I know I could upgrade my graphics but the pc I'm using is brand new.

NO. NO. NO. Yous start adding arena pvp and cyrodil pvp will die out.

If Cyrodiil would die out because not enough ppl play it then thats what the community wants. Cyrodiil is instanced so there will always be enough players to fill out a campaign.

Thybrinena

I love the PvP how it is but yeah, some structured PvP could be nice and may come with future expansions/updates/patches.

rawne1980b16_ESO

YuccaPalm wrote: »

I see you have no clue of PvP. Casual players like you should just not do PvP at all. Sentences like ,,the one with the best gear wins'' just make me laugh.

Been a PvP'er since DAoC.

I've done large fights, arena and duels.

That said ... the best insult you can come back with is "casual"?

There is an old saying, it's better to keep quiet and appear a fool than to speak and remove all doubt .... well done you for speaking.

Gohlar wrote: »

I think you are correct, their insecurity on this issue runs deep. They should probably just stay out of PvP. It's too much for some people and that's ok.

It's not insecurity, it's boredom.

Some of us have been there, done it, got the t-shirt and had to throw it out when it's threadbare.

As I said, bring in the arena .... i'll remind you of this when you're whining how OP every other build is to yours.

Silverbird

Cyrodiil is big enough. Try to build up a community for smal scale pvp and meet somewhere in a corner away from the zergs for duells/group duells. Takes some time but worked for/in DAOC as well.

Elixx

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Gash wrote: »

This game needs smaller scale bgs. I finally reached level 10 (with the small amount of time I get to play on the game) and thought I would play some pvp.
When I got to cryodil I didn't have a clue what was happening. My Fps dropped below 25 Fps with loads of people on screen. and it was just all a mess.
What is everyone else's view on this? Do you think this game would be better with smaller pvp?

These large scale battles just don't work well on people pcs who can't handle it. I get 50+Fps in open world but come to cryodil it drops loads when alot of action is happening.
I know I could upgrade my graphics but the pc I'm using is brand new.

NO. NO. NO. Yous start adding arena pvp and cyrodil pvp will die out.

If that would be so, many people are more interested in small scale PVP in the first place. I know i am.

Vikova

Gohlar wrote: »

YuccaPalm wrote: »

I see you have no clue of PvP. Casual players like you should just not do PvP at all. Sentences like ,,the one with the best gear wins'' just make me laugh.

I think you are correct, their insecurity on this issue runs deep. They should probably just stay out of PvP. It's too much for some people and that's ok.

It is this attitude that makes people want PvP to stay in Cyro. Keep it large and community-based, so we don't have to deal with dudebro PvPers harassing the devs into focusing all balancing on arena PvP.

While I do think they will introduce arenas at some point, I much prefer large scale PvP and would rather arenas not suck people out of Cyro. But if they introduce it, they introduce it.

Kiash

RakeWorm wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

YuccaPalm wrote: »

I see you have no clue of PvP. Casual players like you should just not do PvP at all. Sentences like ,,the one with the best gear wins'' just make me laugh.

I think you are correct, their insecurity on this issue runs deep. They should probably just stay out of PvP. It's too much for some people and that's ok.

It is this attitude that makes people want PvP to stay in Cyro. Keep it large and community-based, so we don't have to deal with dudebro PvPers harassing the devs into focusing all balancing on arena PvP.

While I do think they will introduce arenas at some point, I much prefer large scale PvP and would rather arenas not suck people out of Cyro. But if they introduce it, they introduce it.

Yes, yes a million times yes. The last thing this genre needs is another Arena my gear is better than yours grinder. But I'm sure at some point ZOS will cave to the demands of a very vocal minority. It has happened in every game before. Depressing, truly.

YuccaPalm

@rawne1980b16_ESO why you think I want to insult you? It's simply the truth. PvPing since DAoC doesnt change the fact that your a casual player which is not an insult

Carraig

griffn wrote: »

I never said it is, but this is an mmo, I mean this occurs just about in any multiplayer game, big battles sort of drown class imbalances (in this case skill imbalances) out, but the moment we go in to small scale competitive pvp, Everything gets magnified, Class balance around pvp is a never ending quest, a fools errand, let's not go there

I agree, look what happened in LOTRO: Players kept whining about their counterparts being better than their class. The developers changed things and the other side started to whine; Result: continuous search for balance and always a part of the community unhappy. So no, let's not go there and make the same mistake.

[quote="Gohlar;565652I think you are correct, their insecurity on this issue runs deep. They should probably just stay out of PvP. It's too much for some people and that's ok. [/quote]

It has nothing to do with insecurity. There are also players who don't let their ego get in the way. I've seen too many players who duelled just to show off their gear/skills. Sadly most of those players weren't valuable assets in PvP grouping, because they could't handle multiple enemies.