Official Discussion Thread for "Introducing Craglorn"

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This is the official thread to discuss the blog article Introducing Craglorn.

Attorneyatlawl

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Xezzu

This may seem like a silly question, but I haven't seen it answered anywhere else directly. Will there be special gear drops in Craglorn? Aside from trying to beat the time of Trials and just doing group content, are there any rewards? I mean, what if you don't have the best time?

bloodmoon2004

I like the adventure zone , not so sure about the timed trials , wish there were just regular raids ! Thou time will tell , my opinion can always change. Also I would like to know about the loot drops there as well !

NilLili

Hello, the new area looks very interesting I can not wait to reach the required level for exploring all this area.

Senil

Veteran rank 12 developer is too strong . However in the video you could see some gear being displayed, that I atleast haven't seen ingame yet, so it very well might.

Xezzu

Senil wrote: »

Veteran rank 12 developer is too strong . However in the video you could see some gear being displayed, that I atleast haven't seen ingame yet, so it very well might.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. I was just hoping for clarification.

Csection

Can we enter the craglorn if we haven't completed the main story quest? The quest "Messages across Tamriel" is still bugged. I guess a good reason to quit this game is because people who actually got to veteran rank can not play vet content because Zenimax's game doesn't work and have no intention on fixing it.

glenallenbottlesb14_ESO

Csection wrote: »

Can we enter the craglorn if we haven't completed the main story quest? The quest "Messages across Tamriel" is still bugged. I guess a good reason to quit this game is because people who actually got to veteran rank can not play vet content because Zenimax's game doesn't work and have no intention on fixing it.

No intention on fixing it? This game is only on day 3. Relax. Theyre already fixing servers and several quests. Zenimax is doing a far better job then most other MMO developers do.

KerinKor

Csection wrote: »

Can we enter the craglorn if we haven't completed the main story quest? The quest "Messages across Tamriel" is still bugged. I guess a good reason to quit this game is because people who actually got to veteran rank can not play vet content because Zenimax's game doesn't work and have no intention on fixing it.

LOL, emo much?

fiftypercentgrey

I dont like the timed competition. In other mmos I kinda resent players who rush trough instances and yell at you if you are not faster than they are. No time to look at things and no patience for someone new to that specific dungeon.

I really think that this timed stuff is a mistake.

ulic3190b16_ESO

Csection wrote: »

Can we enter the craglorn if we haven't completed the main story quest? The quest "Messages across Tamriel" is still bugged. I guess a good reason to quit this game is because people who actually got to veteran rank can not play vet content because Zenimax's game doesn't work and have no intention on fixing it.

I can understand this frustration, you wait for a game for years, the game is fantastic but marred all the way through with numerous bugs that make you abandon quests, retake quests and constantly relog not to mention numerous rollbacks in the greenshade area of the world.

However you just ignore the quests you can complete and soldier on, again and again this happens, but the game is good and you want to give it a chance.

Then you reach a point where you simply cant DO ANYTHING, where there is no possible way you can continue and you sit back in shock. THEN you wait 3 days with no fix.

I think the guy is justified to be upset and also worried and desperate to continue playing. It did not help that the American server was fixed straight away but the EU server is still left hanging either.

I was really psyched for craglorn, but if I cant even play the game whats the point!

Yshaar

This introduction video is certainly one of the best promotional pieces you have put up, ever.

I love what you are doing there and look forward to play it in the coming month!

A big, big yay for Zenimax!

Just one little note: Just time trials? Make something cooler, think outside of the box.

thoraya

Cant wait for it! There will be a new motif?

Big_Mike

I don't see why the timed trials are a big deal. only true hardcore players are going to try for the top time. Personally, I think you'd have to run it 20 times slow to test strategies on the bosses before ever giving it a true speed run. so if you are in a group of new people, i don't think you'd have to worry about being rushed. plus 90% of players are never gonna care about the time.

Mopar63

I tell you what if this is what we are going to see and Zenimax can deliver new content like this every couple of months I will gladly pay $15 a month.

NicoleOnyxheart

so with the Trials, will the time limit mean you fail the dungeon and have to redo it? or is it just a way to keep track of optional objectives?

i'd really hope it's the latter, my guildmates and i don't like to rush through content...we like to savor it and explore, take our own sweet time y'know?

and being forced to run through at top speed to beat the trial in the time allotted doesn't seem like much fun, more like stressful. I do like how the story elements look though, can't wait to explore every inch of craglorn

couple questions though, will there be any new crafting styles available for us to find? the blue-gold armor some characters were wearing in the trailer looked nice, for instance ^^

and also, off topic i know, but when are the dark brotherhood, thieves guild, and justice system being introduced? be nice to get them in before more vet content ^^

fangkeltenub17_ESO

NicoleOnyxheart wrote: »

so with the Trials, will the time limit mean you fail the dungeon and have to redo it? or is it just a way to keep track of optional objectives?

i'd really hope it's the latter, my guildmates and i don't like to rush through content...we like to savor it and explore, take our own sweet time y'know?

and being forced to run through at top speed to beat the trial in the time allotted doesn't seem like much fun, more like stressful. I do like how the story elements look though, can't wait to explore every inch of craglorn

couple questions though, will there be any new crafting styles available for us to find? the blue-gold armor some characters were wearing in the trailer looked nice, for instance ^^

and also, off topic i know, but when are the dark brotherhood, thieves guild, and justice system being introduced? be nice to get them in before more vet content ^^

I don't think they mean you've got a limited amount of time when doing trials, I think they mean you're trial is being timed. It may take one group 45 min to complete the quest, while another takes 3 hours to complete, not including time penalties added from resurrections. I think the only way to fail is if every party member dies, either from exceeding res limit and slowly being killed off, or end boss proves to be too much and kills the entire group. But I don't think there's a certain amount of time to complete the trial.

Looking forward to adventure zone regardless.

Audigy

I think its a very interesting update, however...

my question would be, how will those be accessed. Do they work like the public dungeons now, can people queue for them with the tool or are people allowed to go in there solo and at least experience the story without beating the 12 men encounters / entering vet. dungeons.

I think its important to make them accessible to everyone, if they wipe then they wipe - but I certainly hope that these zones will be available in the group tool and / or offer solo content as well.

That said, a lot depends on how our community will develop. Are they going Elitist like at wow where Casuals are excluded from anything group related or will they be more open minded and accept if someone has a child and might need to go or cant join every night.

Sykotik_ESO

This looks very cool, I'm looking forward to it and I don't even pve that much anymore.

fiftypercentgrey wrote: »

I dont like the timed competition. In other mmos I kinda resent players who rush trough instances and yell at you if you are not faster than they are. No time to look at things and no patience for someone new to that specific dungeon.

I really think that this timed stuff is a mistake.

They started doing it in RIFT after awhile with the dungeons and raids and it turned out great, it made it super fun for guilds looking for a real challenge and proving their worth on the boards.

Telatansiv

i like the boss that does the spiny attack

Big_Mike

I don't see why the timed trials are a big deal. only true hardcore players are going to try for the top time. Personally, I think you'd have to run it 20 times slow to test strategies on the bosses before ever giving it a true speed run. so if you are in a group of new people, i don't think you'd have to worry about being rushed. plus 90% of players are never gonna care about the time.

Devour

This looks incredible. I can not wait to play through this new content. Words can not explain how great of a job you all have done at Zenimax. Keep up the good work.

Viverim

My concern is if there will be new items/gear found in the zone. They say the game is "play how you want", but if the 12-man raid gives you the best items and the game has a PvP element, then if you don't do the raid you are, in effect, penalized in PvP.

It's WoW all over again.

Csection

Why place craglorn, a veteran rank 10 zone, when a main quest at 43 that leads to veteran rank 1 zones does not work? Prioritize. Whats the point of that zone if you cant even get into the first vet zone!

Salacious

This is going to hurt people more then it is going to help them - Why are you not allowing SOME solo content in this new ZONE? thats taking away from the rest of us who dont really like group content and come to the game for its solo aspects ....

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO

Talk about Craglorn? HOW ABOUT YOU FIX THE *** MAIN STORY QUEST - Messages Across Tamriel so we can actually ENTER veteran maps. GET YOUR PRIORITIES FIXED ZENIMAX This quest has been broken since early Access and you fix the *** Frog race first?! No one gives two *** about the frogs...

Xezzu

Viverim wrote: »

My concern is if there will be new items/gear found in the zone. They say the game is "play how you want", but if the 12-man raid gives you the best items and the game has a PvP element, then if you don't do the raid you are, in effect, penalized in PvP.

To some degree, I agree. Though, if we were to say for conversations sake that they didn't offer gear, what would they offer to give incentive to do it? (that's a rhetorical question).

Salacious wrote: »

This is going to hurt people more then it is going to help them - Why are you not allowing SOME solo content in this new ZONE? thats taking away from the rest of us who dont really like group content and come to the game for its solo aspects ....

I respect the fact that you as a player prefer to play alone (assuming that's what you are implying), but being this's an MMO, I suspect it may be hard to justify expanding the amount of content for solo-play. Sure, I'm sure they could, and while I am not speaking for them and just using my opinion, I'm not sure it would be on the top of their list of priorities.

tokyov

Fix your game before adding new content. Thanks.

FTGr4ndomj4ck

fiftypercentgrey wrote: »

I dont like the timed competition. In other mmos I kinda resent players who rush trough instances and yell at you if you are not faster than they are. No time to look at things and no patience for someone new to that specific dungeon.

I really think that this timed stuff is a mistake.

I agree, I don't like rushing threw things but after grinding and getting the area down pat I can see how that timed aspect seems to fit. Those who rush in at the start are losing out but after the nth time doing it what is there to keep you doing it. Now you need to stay number one fastest and it adds that much more. Will I actively seek to be in the top, No, but I think its a nice thing for those who want to try for it.

What I don't like is the limit on the revives. Maybe a limit while in combat or a limit on boss fights, or maybe a limit to qualify for the trials. It seem that if i have a slightly less able group we wont be able to experience the content. Or did I misunderstand this completely?

Travis

Personally, I can't wait for Craglorn, I think adventure zones really have some good potential and I love ZOS's commitment to continuous content updates. I also really like the timed aspect, even though I won't be competing for the leaderboards I'm sure many people will be, and I think it's a great way to continually push the limits of your character.

And to everyone complaining they made Craglorn while there are still other bugs, a little reminder about how bad an MMO launch usually is..
http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/562729-top-5-worst-mmo-launches-in-history-ffxiv-wow#/slide/1