Any Act with the INTENT to Cause Distress is a Bannable Offense

Soraka

This reminds me of when I briefly tried out the armor set that allows you to see stealth when crouched. I realized I was crouching a lot and I was worried people would think I was tbagging and stopped using it lol.

abkam

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

LoL get a grip, t-bagging has nothing to do with unconsensual sex or sexual harassment

Maybe you can enlighten everyone and explain the real nature of tea-bagging

Should we report and ban him? Why? Because he used his staff to touch another player’s [censored]?

Personofsecrets

The interesting thing about this is that players are using the report system, moderation, and bans with the intent to cause others distress.

So the powers that be will ban you for the thing that they are complicit in.

RealLoveBVB

abkam wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

LoL get a grip, t-bagging has nothing to do with unconsensual sex or sexual harassment

Maybe you can enlighten everyone and explain the real nature of tea-bagging

Should we report and ban him? Why? Because he used his staff to touch another player’s [censored]?

You miss 2 important things here:
Nobody is dead.
There was no intention to harass or whatever.

sans-culottes

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

LoL get a grip, t-bagging has nothing to do with unconsensual sex or sexual harassment

Maybe you can enlighten everyone and explain the real nature of tea-bagging

if you read the previous posts, I did. Simple terms, promote rivalry and claim victory over an opponent. It has nothing to do with humping a corpse.

Promote rivalry and claim victory... I watch a lot of football and boxing matches... I've never saw someone kneeing over an opponent and dipping their balls in the opponents face.

You’ve touched on the meat of the matter. Pardon the pun.

alternatelder

abkam wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

LoL get a grip, t-bagging has nothing to do with unconsensual sex or sexual harassment

Maybe you can enlighten everyone and explain the real nature of tea-bagging

Should we report and ban him? Why? Because he used his staff to touch another player’s [censored]?

This isn't intentional though. Are you that confused on the difference? Op isn't fooling anyone by pretending to not know what teabagging is in a video game, or the actual original meaning of the gesture.

sans-culottes

abkam wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

LoL get a grip, t-bagging has nothing to do with unconsensual sex or sexual harassment

Maybe you can enlighten everyone and explain the real nature of tea-bagging

Should we report and ban him? Why? Because he used his staff to touch another player’s [censored]?

If idle gestures offend you, or if you feel this was done with some sort of malicious intent, then I encourage you to report this shocking behavior. I must admit, however, that this strikes me as an apples to margarine comparison.

spartaxoxo

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

So, OP is complaining about a ban he got when he ignored the person's request to stop, and continued doing it, which is a clear intention of harassment.

T bagging in itself isn't the problem. People do it all the time and it's a part of playing pvp, and has been a thing well before ESO existed. It also has nothing to do with nor has ever in any way intended to be interpreted in a sexual manner, and people trying to infer that it has ever had those connotations are trying to make a problem where there is none.

Anyone implying t bagging was ever used to sexually harass someone (yes, I see the comments trying to connect it to real criminal activity), please stop. You do not understand real sexual harassment and are doing a disservice to people who are real victims of those kinds of crimes.


That said, to clarify the matter completely, repeating any action that is causing another player distress, whether you feel it is acceptable or not, after said player has respectfully asked or requested you stop, IS harassment, and is what is bannable.

The very name of the action, "teabagging," literally describes an action with sexual connotations.

Something having a dirty name does not make the item dirty. Cocktails have crazy names all of the time. But, they are just alcohol at the end of the day.

Teabagging is the gamer equivalent of the middle finger. It literally is just a taunt that means "I beat you." It was done before it got the dirty name because when games were new there were not emotes and such. There was very little other actions someone could take to taunt an opponent. It got the name just because it looks a certain way. Some people also make sexually harassing comments while doing it but that doesn't make that meaning universal anymore than the flipping the bird is universally vulgar just because it had an even more vulgar meaning a long time ago.

It's also had names like tactical crouching and crouch dancing.

amig186

said no one ever wrote: »

teabagging is a virtual gesture to mimic oral sex on a corpse w/o consent. at least thats how i understand it. is that clear enough?

How do you get consent from a corpse?

sans-culottes

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

So, OP is complaining about a ban he got when he ignored the person's request to stop, and continued doing it, which is a clear intention of harassment.

T bagging in itself isn't the problem. People do it all the time and it's a part of playing pvp, and has been a thing well before ESO existed. It also has nothing to do with nor has ever in any way intended to be interpreted in a sexual manner, and people trying to infer that it has ever had those connotations are trying to make a problem where there is none.

Anyone implying t bagging was ever used to sexually harass someone (yes, I see the comments trying to connect it to real criminal activity), please stop. You do not understand real sexual harassment and are doing a disservice to people who are real victims of those kinds of crimes.


That said, to clarify the matter completely, repeating any action that is causing another player distress, whether you feel it is acceptable or not, after said player has respectfully asked or requested you stop, IS harassment, and is what is bannable.

The very name of the action, "teabagging," literally describes an action with sexual connotations.

Something having a dirty name does not make the item dirty. Cocktails have crazy names all of the time. But, they are just alcohol at the end of the day.

Teabagging is the gamer equivalent of the middle finger. It literally is just a taunt that means "I beat you." It was done before it got the dirty name because when games were new there were not emotes and such. There was very little other actions someone could take to taunt an opponent. It got the name just because it looks a certain way. Some people also make sexually harassing comments while doing it but that doesn't make that meaning universal anymore than the flipping the bird is universally vulgar just because it had an even more vulgar meaning a long time ago.

It's also had names like tactical crouching and crouch dancing.

@spartaxoxo, I typically agree with your posts, but here your argument is slipping on its own terms.

You’re drawing a line between name and action, arguing that a dirty name doesn’t make something inherently inappropriate—like a cocktail with a lewd title still just being a drink. Fair enough in the abstract, but this analogy doesn’t hold. Cocktails don’t physically mimic the act they’re named after. Teabagging does. The act and the name reinforce one another. It wasn’t named “teabagging” by accident; the label stuck because the animation mimics the gesture it names.

But let’s grant, for the sake of argument, that it’s “just a taunt.” A way to say “I beat you.” In that case, the intent remains: to mock, to humiliate, to provoke. Whether or not it’s sexual, the gesture is still an act of contempt. That’s why players do it—to get under someone’s skin. So when someone tells you it bothered them, and you keep doing it anyway, it crosses the line into harassment, regardless of your rationale.

The sexual component is just one layer. The more fundamental problem is this: crouch-spamming as a taunt is meant to cause discomfort. That’s the point. So if a player says, “That made me uncomfortable,” you don’t get to turn around and say, “Well it wasn’t meant that way.” You can’t have it both ways.

Barovia87

"You can't PROVE intent!!!" is not a black box magic shield, and this is not a court of law.

You decided to walk like a duck, and quack like a duck, while wearing your duck suit - and you're shocked and upset now that you've been labeled a duck.

If you truly were just ignorant here (which I sincerely doubt): do your best to politely and humbly explain your context to Support. They probably still won't budge, but if there's any chance: being respectful is key. Accept their answer - whatever it is - and learn from this experience. Prioritize being sportsmanlike in future endeavors, and beware even the appearance of harassing internet behavior like teabagging. And for the record: yes, simulating sexual assault on a corpse is, in fact, harassment. It's been a thing in social video games for forever, and I'm glad ZoS is intolerant of that kind of behavior. It isn't fun. It isn't celebratory. It's just meant to humiliate and upset people. There are better emotes and such if "fun" is your goal.

Coming here to argue the philosophy of intent is disingenuous at best. Nobody needs to read your mind to be allowed to judge your behavior.

HatchetHaro

Didn't ZOS clarify a bit ago that teabagging by itself wasn't a bannable offense, and that it would only constitute as "targeted harassment" if you continue to do so after the opposing party has asked you to stop?

spartaxoxo

sans-culottes wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

So, OP is complaining about a ban he got when he ignored the person's request to stop, and continued doing it, which is a clear intention of harassment.

T bagging in itself isn't the problem. People do it all the time and it's a part of playing pvp, and has been a thing well before ESO existed. It also has nothing to do with nor has ever in any way intended to be interpreted in a sexual manner, and people trying to infer that it has ever had those connotations are trying to make a problem where there is none.

Anyone implying t bagging was ever used to sexually harass someone (yes, I see the comments trying to connect it to real criminal activity), please stop. You do not understand real sexual harassment and are doing a disservice to people who are real victims of those kinds of crimes.


That said, to clarify the matter completely, repeating any action that is causing another player distress, whether you feel it is acceptable or not, after said player has respectfully asked or requested you stop, IS harassment, and is what is bannable.

The very name of the action, "teabagging," literally describes an action with sexual connotations.

Something having a dirty name does not make the item dirty. Cocktails have crazy names all of the time. But, they are just alcohol at the end of the day.

Teabagging is the gamer equivalent of the middle finger. It literally is just a taunt that means "I beat you." It was done before it got the dirty name because when games were new there were not emotes and such. There was very little other actions someone could take to taunt an opponent. It got the name just because it looks a certain way. Some people also make sexually harassing comments while doing it but that doesn't make that meaning universal anymore than the flipping the bird is universally vulgar just because it had an even more vulgar meaning a long time ago.

It's also had names like tactical crouching and crouch dancing.

spartaxoxo, I typically agree with your posts, but here your argument is slipping on its own terms.

You’re drawing a line between name and action, arguing that a dirty name doesn’t make something inherently inappropriate—like a cocktail with a lewd title still just being a drink. Fair enough in the abstract, but this analogy doesn’t hold. Cocktails don’t physically mimic the act they’re named after. Teabagging does. The act and the name reinforce one another. It wasn’t named “teabagging” by accident; the label stuck because the animation mimics the gesture it names.

But let’s grant, for the sake of argument, that it’s “just a taunt.” A way to say “I beat you.” In that case, the intent remains: to mock, to humiliate, to provoke. Whether or not it’s sexual, the gesture is still an act of contempt. That’s why players do it—to get under someone’s skin. So when someone tells you it bothered them, and you keep doing it anyway, it crosses the line into harassment, regardless of your rationale.

The sexual component is just one layer. The more fundamental problem is this: crouch-spamming as a taunt is meant to cause discomfort. That’s the point. So if a player says, “That made me uncomfortable,” you don’t get to turn around and say, “Well it wasn’t meant that way.” You can’t have it both ways.

I actually said it got the name because of what it resembles in my post. There were almost no other gestures someone could do back when this gesture came into being. Video games just didn't have a ton of different gestures to interact with opponents outside of killing back then. So, the use of crouch dancing came before the unfortunate nickname. But it got that name because of what it looked like and it stuck because games back then were bunch of immature young dudes who thought vulgar jokes were the height of comedy.

I actually agree that it doesn't matter its intent if someone asks you stop. I also support bans for following people around mud balling after you've been asked to stop too. That is harassment and I suspect the OP's ban is well deserved because I see no other reason to try that incredibly lame and unbelievable lie than they are guilty as charged.

The problem is that people who sit there and try to label the action as inherently sexual harassment without knowing anything about its history or widespread adoption and participation in video games are painting a lot of innocent people with a horrendous brush. Sexual harassment is serious and should not be an accusation thrown around lightly. It is unfair to the millions of people who just mean "lol I beat you," and it is incredibly harmful to real victims of sexual harassment to trivialize it that much.

Grizzbeorn

spartaxoxo wrote: »

But it got that name because of what it looked like and it stuck because games back then were bunch of immature young dudes who thought vulgar jokes were the height of comedy.

The fact that it is still being used WHILE still being called that same name, along with admittance, even in this very thread, that it is meant as a form of humiliation, shows that nothing has changed since "back then."
And you are defending it.

Thysbe

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The problem is that people who sit there and try to label the action as inherently sexual harassment without knowing anything about its history or widespread adoption and participation in video games are painting a lot of innocent people with a horrendous brush. Sexual harassment is serious and should not be an accusation thrown around lightly. It is unfair to the millions of people who just mean "lol I beat you," and it is incredibly harmful to real victims of sexual harassment to trivialize it that much.

But can´t you see that while, from your Boyz-Hardball frame of context, this is totally normal and "fun" it might really feel as sexual harassment for someone who doesn´t have the same knowledge and experience and the only thing they see is somebody obscenly shoving their *** into their dead face.

With the golden endevours and trial phase going on many players who normally don´t join PVP are in Cyrodil. They might really see a teabag for the first time.

spartaxoxo

said no one ever wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

So, OP is complaining about a ban he got when he ignored the person's request to stop, and continued doing it, which is a clear intention of harassment.

T bagging in itself isn't the problem. People do it all the time and it's a part of playing pvp, and has been a thing well before ESO existed. It also has nothing to do with nor has ever in any way intended to be interpreted in a sexual manner, and people trying to infer that it has ever had those connotations are trying to make a problem where there is none.

Anyone implying t bagging was ever used to sexually harass someone (yes, I see the comments trying to connect it to real criminal activity), please stop. You do not understand real sexual harassment and are doing a disservice to people who are real victims of those kinds of crimes.


That said, to clarify the matter completely, repeating any action that is causing another player distress, whether you feel it is acceptable or not, after said player has respectfully asked or requested you stop, IS harassment, and is what is bannable.

The very name of the action, "teabagging," literally describes an action with sexual connotations.

Something having a dirty name does not make the item dirty. Cocktails have crazy names all of the time. But, they are just alcohol at the end of the day.

Teabagging is the gamer equivalent of the middle finger. It literally is just a taunt that means "I beat you." It was done before it got the dirty name because when games were new there were not emotes and such. There was very little other actions someone could take to taunt an opponent. It got the name just because it looks a certain way. Some people also make sexually harassing comments while doing it but that doesn't make that meaning universal anymore than the flipping the bird is universally vulgar just because it had an even more vulgar meaning a long time ago.

It's also had names like tactical crouching and crouch dancing.

spartaxoxo, I typically agree with your posts, but here your argument is slipping on its own terms.

You’re drawing a line between name and action, arguing that a dirty name doesn’t make something inherently inappropriate—like a cocktail with a lewd title still just being a drink. Fair enough in the abstract, but this analogy doesn’t hold. Cocktails don’t physically mimic the act they’re named after. Teabagging does. The act and the name reinforce one another. It wasn’t named “teabagging” by accident; the label stuck because the animation mimics the gesture it names.

But let’s grant, for the sake of argument, that it’s “just a taunt.” A way to say “I beat you.” In that case, the intent remains: to mock, to humiliate, to provoke. Whether or not it’s sexual, the gesture is still an act of contempt. That’s why players do it—to get under someone’s skin. So when someone tells you it bothered them, and you keep doing it anyway, it crosses the line into harassment, regardless of your rationale.

The sexual component is just one layer. The more fundamental problem is this: crouch-spamming as a taunt is meant to cause discomfort. That’s the point. So if a player says, “That made me uncomfortable,” you don’t get to turn around and say, “Well it wasn’t meant that way.” You can’t have it both ways.

I actually said it got the name because of what it resembles in my post. There were almost no other gestures someone could do back when this gesture came into being. Video games just didn't have a ton of different gestures to interact with opponents outside of killing back then. So, the use of crouch dancing came before the unfortunate nickname. But it got that name because of what it looked like and it stuck because games back then were bunch of immature young dudes who thought vulgar jokes were the height of comedy.

I actually agree that it doesn't matter its intent if someone asks you stop. I also support bans for following people around mud balling after you've been asked to stop too. That is harassment and I suspect the OP's ban is well deserved because I see no other reason to try that incredibly lame and unbelievable lie than they are guilty as charged.

The problem is that people who sit there and try to label the action as inherently sexual harassment without knowing anything about its history or widespread adoption and participation in video games are painting a lot of innocent people with a horrendous brush. Sexual harassment is serious and should not be an accusation thrown around lightly. It is unfair to the millions of people who just mean "lol I beat you," and it is incredibly harmful to real victims of sexual harassment to trivialize it that much.

[snip]

No. It isn't. It is an extremely widespread gesture in video games that is promoted by video game companies in the games themselves. A person who goes into a game that knows teabagging is part of that game (or should know) and sees a common rude gesture that is being used the exact same way that people use the middle finger and declares EVERYONE who does it against an opponent is sexually harassing their opponent completely ignores how sexual harassment is defined, the history of the gesture, and the environment it is being used in, and how it is interpreted by the community it is part of.

That isn't describing a personal experience with a particular user. It is not describing a particular incident they may have experienced or witnessed. It is making broad, sweeping allegations about something that is treated as trivial by society.

[edited to remove quote]

spartaxoxo

Thysbe wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The problem is that people who sit there and try to label the action as inherently sexual harassment without knowing anything about its history or widespread adoption and participation in video games are painting a lot of innocent people with a horrendous brush. Sexual harassment is serious and should not be an accusation thrown around lightly. It is unfair to the millions of people who just mean "lol I beat you," and it is incredibly harmful to real victims of sexual harassment to trivialize it that much.

But can´t you see that while, from your Boyz-Hardball frame of context, this is totally normal and "fun" it might really feel as sexual harassment for someone who doesn´t have the same knowledge and experience and the only thing they see is somebody obscenly shoving their *** into their dead face.

With the golden endevours and trial phase going on many players who normally don´t join PVP are in Cyrodil. They might really see a teabag for the first time.

Yup. I don't blame them for reporting it. And someone was asked to stop and they don't, I hope that person gets banned. I don't expect them to know the history. I do expect zos to know the common lingo their players use and to consider both sides when making a ruling.

Sometimes that means ruling in favor of the person being reported. Sometimes that means ruling in favor of the person doing the reporting. It depends on context.

coop500

Is anyone gonna mention what the middle-finger also means? LOL

abkam

What does PEGI 18 mean? And explain to me why so many players make a scandal over "this is some kind of sexual content.

Ingenon

Sn00pyFreshh wrote: »

Since ZOS TOS and Code of Conduct are not super clear on the matter, I would like to get feedback from the community at large regarding harassment as outlined in a response I recently received in a ticket I submitted after getting a temporary ban for crouching on someone's body in PVP (commonly referred to as "teabagging", but I had no idea what this was and was completely stupified when I was banned for it).

My feedback:

ZOS has given you a temporary ban for crouching on someone's body in PvP ("teabagging").

Stop doing it. Otherwise, ZOS may someday give you a permanent ban and say something like "we told you to stop and you didn't". ESO is ZOS game. They make the rules.

Separately, I'm fine with folks asking for feedback from the community about getting a temporary ban.

Carry on.

Thysbe

abkam wrote: »

What does PEGI 18 mean? And explain to me why so many players make a scandal over "this is some kind of sexual content.

The issue is not the sexual context but the act of forcing it on someone who told you to stop. Rules againts acts of harassment have nothing to do with age.

Grizzbeorn

spartaxoxo wrote: »

It is an extremely widespread gesture in video games that is promoted by video game companies in the games themselves. A person who goes into a game that knows teabagging is part of that game (or should know) and sees a common rude gesture that is being used the exact same way that people use the middle finger and declares EVERYONE who does it against an opponent is sexually harassing their opponent completely ignores how sexual harassment is defined, the history of the gesture, and the environment it is being used in, and how it is interpreted by the community it is part of.

That isn't describing a personal experience with a particular user. It is not describing a particular incident they may have experienced or witnessed. It is making broad, sweeping allegations about something that is treated as trivial by society.

Funny, I've never seen ZOS, or any other video game company, in the course of talking-up their PvP say,
"Come tea-bag your vanquished opponents!"
It IS NOT promoted by the companies. Words have meaning.

And, trivial?
If you are male, tea-bag a co-worker at work, and see if you don't get fired for sexual harassment.
Same thing for a female crouching in someone's face...
Tea-bagging is named and based on a real-life act that has innate sexual connotation. How is dipping a part of male anatomy in someone's face NOT considered sexual?

Heck, give a co-worker the middle finger, and see if you don't face some kind of negative consequence.
These acts are not considered acceptable in places where we are expected to conduct ourselves politely and civilly.

We play this game is ZOS's house, and we are expected to be polite and civil to each other.

Thumbless_Bot

said no one ever wrote: »

teabagging is a virtual gesture to mimic oral sex on a corpse w/o consent. at least thats how i understand it. is that clear enough?

Thats not my understanding of the meaning of this, but I'm not sure it matters. What matter is that, when it happens, you tell the person to stop. If you do and they don't stop, then it's a ban-able offense. This is my understanding of zos' stance on this matter and probably most other perceived inappropriate conduct.

Pixiepumpkin

sans-culottes wrote: »

@Pixiepumpkin, appreciate the context—sincerely. But if anything, your account only confirms that the gesture has always depended on an unspoken mimetic function. That’s the part your retrospective historical framing seems to sidestep.

no, because you are missing the greater (what I thought obvious) context, in that the origins of online gameplay in the early days were LAN or private servers where you knew the online players but this did not mean you were in comms.

The gesture literally comes from men simply giving other men poop, but in a friendly way.

This is something close to 50% of the population does not understand, men are mean to each other as a form of love/acceptance. Growing up, it was getting punched on the shoulder.
When I met my wife, I would often act the same way to her and she took it deeply offensive, even though I mean no offense. She understands now that when I call her a nerd or something, its actually a love gesture.

This is the core of where T bagging comes from. Men were not trying to "sexually assault" their friends/teammates.

sans-culottes wrote: »

Whether or not anyone in your early gaming circles “took it” sexually doesn’t really address the core issue, which is what the gesture represents, and what its signification does to someone on the receiving end. Its vulgar name didn’t arise from nowhere. It wasn’t labeled “t-bagging” [sic] after the fact as a coincidence. It reflects the underlying fantasy that gives the act its affective charge: domination expressed through a pantomime of enforced intimacy, of humiliation, of power pressed against unwilling flesh.

no, the action was first, the name came second. The name was created as a way to define the action, but that action had no root in sexual harassment.

sans-culottes wrote: »

This is why insisting that “no one I knew thought it was sexual” doesn’t resolve anything. The gesture itself precedes your intentions. You can disavow its implications, but the form still carries them.

From your perspective, not mine and certainly not the millions of men who used it for the past 30 years give or take.

sans-culottes wrote: »

And this is why the analogy to “rubbing salt in the wound” also fails. Salt isn’t mimetic. Salt doesn’t mimic an act that would, in any other context, constitute assault. “Rubbing salt” is symbolic aggression. Crouch-spamming over a corpse is symbolic violation. The difference matters.

You are reading deeply into something that was never deep to begin with. There was no committe of men sitting around discussing the finer details and implications of what T-Bagging was meant to be.

It literally came from men giving other men a "punch on the shoulder" for losing their fight.

sans-culottes wrote: »

At a certain point, the history of your gaming resume—however extensive—doesn’t grant immunity from critique. In fact, it might make the refusal to re-evaluate long-standing norms even more telling.

sure it does, because context is key

sans-culottes wrote: »

It was “a more innocent time,” you say. But maybe the reason it felt innocent is because the gesture was always allowed to pass without being spoken aloud—without ever having to confront what it actually was.

Now we are.

Innocent in that it never had the meaning you attribuite it to in the first place.

Unless you understand how men give each other hell, you will never understand how the "emote" and its definition came to be.

I can give you a TON of examples, but none of them are forum friendly as they all involve vulgar, sexist language and not in a single case does any of them have any connection to the word itself.

Its like saying "hey man, you are cool" when referring to someone looking dapper/smart/rebelious/intreresting/mysterious vs a cooler temperature.

spartaxoxo

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Funny, I've never seen ZOS, or any other video game company, in the course of talking-up their PvP say,
"Come tea-bag your vanquished opponents!"
It IS NOT promoted by the companies. Words have meaning.

A couple examples of exactly that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TO_GJpj6MY

In game spray in Overwatch


Bonus on its wide spread usage, it's been done on The Simpsons.
https://nikon.bungie.org/images/mirel_simpsons/149cd45.jpg

CoronHR

teabagging implies a sex act, done unwillingly. so yeah, you should be banned for doing that.


i find it hard to believe that you didn't know what it was. you knew how to do it, but you didn't know what it was? can you hear yourself?

Malyore

I think I gotta agree with @spartaxoxo here. Especially in this regard

spartaxoxo wrote: »

It is unfair to the millions of people who just mean "lol I beat you," and it is incredibly harmful to real victims of sexual harassment to trivialize it that much.

The idea of someone saying to a victim of genuine sexual harassment (and especially to a survivor of sexual assault) "I've experienced sexual harassment as well. Someone crouched over my videogame character..." is ridiculous.

I'd say it's little different if someone already is a victim/survivor and in which case getting t-bagged in videogames might be a trigger. But it itself is not sexual harassment. Pretending otherwise seems insulting, and I imagine it's a very slippery social slope for people to start having that false victimization as their internal narrative.

BXR_Lonestar

Vague, ambiguous, and completely unknowable standard that is entirely subjective.

There is absolutely NO WAY this could go wrong.....

ZOS_Kevin

Hi all, we are going to close this conversation down as we have given a stance on this fairly recently. Ultimately, we expect folks to be polite and civil to each other. We understand the want to showcase dominance in PvP through the virtual act of teabagging, but given the nature of the act itself, we also understand folks who get upset being on the receiving end. Even in professional sports there is a line in the sand for appropriate sports-conduct.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all. We wanted to address the recent conversations around teabagging and proper etiquette around the action in-game. In the past, we have noted that context matters when teabagging in-game and when responding to that action. Teabagging in-game is generally not a direct violation of ToS. However, when an impacted player asks you to stop and you refuse, that is when we have crossed into targeted harassment territory. If this happens and the impacted player reports the incident with video proof, then an investigation will open for ToS violations for targeted harassment. This can lead to possible suspension or permanent ban. So please take requests to stop seriously.

For those reporting a potential violation, please make sure you provide a video that makes it clear that you asked the user who teabagged you in-game to please stop the action and continued action after the ask.

We hope this clears things up for everyone, especially as we are going into Whitestrake's Mayhem. Again, we understand why some players choose to engage in teabagging. But we want to respect anyone's wishes who do not want to be subject to the in-game action of teabagging.