Crazy Polymorphs are ruining the game

Juju_beans · December 13

It just really stands out to me at the way shrines and the popular trading cities.

out in the wild....I don't notice the one or two about. It's in town where everyone enters the contest to pull out the loudest and gaudiest items they have in their collections. And then while 4 others are dueling with all their flash

At those times my FPS almost drops dead

Arizona_Steve · December 13

I'm beginning to think that the real story behind ESO involves a complete takeover by Sheogorath.

robwolf666 · December 13

Mavloc wrote: »

It's very lore-breaking and nonimmersive to see people walking around town as literal atronachs or living chandeliers.
As if the crazy mounts weren't bad enough.

Dear ZOS, Stop It.
Just stop.

A lot of things haven't been lore friendly for a long time - it seems flashy is more important to some people than lore.

shadyjane62 · December 13

I find them disquieting. When there is an explosion of color especially red I think attack! I wish they would all go away. I'm still riding my plain grey cat.

Sinlar · December 13

*Thinks back to beginning times when there was only armor as it was found and no dyes.
*Looks around at current Wayshrine explosions of color, light, and chaos.

Ah Sheo you are a crafty one..

o.0

Sleepsin · December 13

Whenever I se a flashy mount in Cryodiil, I'm thinking, some snipper is going to get him.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · December 13

Walking around as Molag Bal should be a criminal act. Not because people would think you are the daedric prince in the flesh, but because of the utter bad taste it would be with the thousands of people who has and are still currently suffering his Planemeld.

Hypertionb14_ESO · December 13

an ability to disable polymorphs, and most advanced mounts (just visually replace with a random horse) would be nice.

Delimber · December 13

...if the server ever comes up, I"m dressing up my NB vampire as a Minotaur and going to feed on the people of Riften

BelmontDrakul · December 13

Mavloc wrote: »

It's very lore-breaking and nonimmersive to see people walking around town as literal atronachs or living chandeliers.
As if the crazy mounts weren't bad enough.

Dear ZOS, Stop It.
Just stop.

They are not literal atronachs, they look like ones. It is similar to use illusion magic to me so; it is indeed lore-friendly. They do not transform, they are just hiding behind a mask. They are just cosplaying to have fun in Elder Scrolls universe with using disguising magic. What bothers me more is not having some customization options for our polymorphs such as; effect colors, eye types, nose types or facial characteristics (Same thing goes for Werewolf mode, too.). Also, I consider costumes as replicas, as cosplaying tools, too. If I do not then, I should consider for example using Mannimarco's outfit lore-breaking because; there should be only one.

Gegensmith · December 13

Firstly, the polymorphs aren't lore-breaking: all of the polymorphs appear as creatures in the game-world and form part of the lore. Were they to introduce a lego polymorph, then, sure, that breaks it. I love the polymorphs, though I've found once purchased I've tended to use only one or two of them (the blue Spriggan, for example, is great). As Tom wrote, it's perfectly possible to justify the choice for a character. I would suggest that rather than trying to limit the choices of other players, the suggestion that they could introduce a settings option to disable their appearance for you is a reasonable solution.

BelmontDrakul · December 13

Gegensmith wrote: »

Firstly, the polymorphs aren't lore-breaking: all of the polymorphs appear as creatures in the game-world and form part of the lore. Were they to introduce a lego polymorph, then, sure, that breaks it. I love the polymorphs, though I've found once purchased I've tended to use only one or two of them (the blue Spriggan, for example, is great). As Tom wrote, it's perfectly possible to justify the choice for a character. I would suggest that rather than trying to limit the choices of other players, the suggestion that they could introduce a settings option to disable their appearance for you is a reasonable solution.

Not necessarily. If they can make lego polymorph fit in game's aesthetic, it should be fine. I consider Risen Ruins as a possible template for a lore-friendly lego polymorph.

Lags · December 13

Mavloc wrote: »

It's very lore-breaking and nonimmersive to see people walking around town as literal atronachs or living chandeliers.
As if the crazy mounts weren't bad enough.

Dear ZOS, Stop It.
Just stop.

I've aways wished they would give us more flashy weapons. Not even flashy like some of these polymorphs, but something different. Everything feels so similar, even the arms packs a lot of the time. But ya, a lot of these polymorphs, and even skins to some degree, are just ridiculous. Especially the ones over the last year or two, and especially the recent crown crate bundle one. There is a way to keep with the art style of eso without making things ridiculous.

But sadly once zos decides to do something they will not change, and will continue on this path. This is how they are.

barney2525 · December 13

Mavloc wrote: »

Remathilis wrote: »

Remove the polymorphs (all of them), all flashy mounts, all exotic and daedric pets, daedric costumes, bright metallic clothes dyes, skill styles, custom actions, flashy weapons packs, skins, unnatural body/face markings, wild hair (Tanlorin) and all that other visual noise (and auditory noise). You can remove the crazy houses and furniture too.

There. We made Tamriel lore friendly and boringly plain.

This thread is only about polymorphs. Nice try though.

There is no reason people need to look like a spriggan.
ZOS simply took an asset they already had made and tried to monetize it.

Why can't I summon a spriggan? Why can't I have one as a combat pet?
Oh, because that would require WORK.

what is this " NEED " nonsense ? One person's Opinion does Not dictate what is and is not allowed in a game.

The game is what it was made to be. Offering suggestions is fine. Telling people what Is and Is Not allowed or appropriate is Not fine. Inventing Lies about the company as to why one's personal 'wants' are not implemented into the game also are Not fine.

The game Is what the game Is. If someone doesn't like it, they can Find something else to do.

IMHO

Oblivion_Protocol · December 13

I have no problem with wanting a more realistic gaming experience. Where I take issue is when players try to impose that experience on everyone else whether they want it or not. Lore is a flexible thing and, frankly, not necessary to enjoy this game. So let’s stop trying to “Umm, actually” people and enjoy ESO where and when we can. If the experience isn’t one you can enjoy, no one is forcing it on you.

Wuduwasa13 · December 13

The flashier the better 💥😎

SilverBride · December 13

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

I have no problem with wanting a more realistic gaming experience. Where I take issue is when players try to impose that experience on everyone else whether they want it or not.

My issue is with taking what was once a much more realistic experience and turning it into a preschool playground with flashy and cartoony items, whether we wanted it or not.

OtarTheMad · December 13

This isn't the only TES with flashy stuff and weird mounts lol.

Skyrim and most of the TES games had Shadowmere... basically a demon horse. They also had a summoned mount named Arvak which was a skeletal horse with purple(ish) flames where its hair was. You also had the Dragon Aspect shout that surrounded you in an extremely colorful magic armor. There is also a quest in Skyrim where you can obtain a potion that turns you into a ghost.

I don't think anything in this game is lore breaking, specially when you have Illusion, Alteration and Conjuration magic to explain a lot of it. You got Daedric anchors in the sky, Daedric Princes trying to claim the world, dragons returned... to guards and people a lot of this has turned into another Tuesday... lol. "Oh look, a lich walking into town... *turns and looks at barkeep* how much is your mead here?"

Desiato · December 13

OtarTheMad wrote: »

This isn't the only TES with flashy stuff and weird mounts lol.

Skyrim and most of the TES games had Shadowmere... basically a demon horse. They also had a summoned mount named Arvak which was a skeletal horse with purple(ish) flames where its hair was. You also had the Dragon Aspect shout that surrounded you in an extremely colorful magic armor. There is also a quest in Skyrim where you can obtain a potion that turns you into a ghost.

I'm pretty sure almost everyone complaining about loud, flashy mounts would be pretty pleased to have Shadowmere.

Yes, of course previous TES games had glowing magical stuff too. No one is saying turn the game into a realistic medieval simulation. What people are saying is they think the implementation of glowy magical things has become too flashy and loud, not necessarily that they don't want it at all.

It extends to other aspects of the game too. In Trials, it's common for players to complain about effects spam.

When I watch my old pvp videos, it's amazing how much easier it was for me to observe buffs and debuffs on my characters while in combat in busy areas compared to now.

Neugeniko · December 13

Its a bit of a circus. Micro transactions means you never really know what your going to get with a mmo.

OtarTheMad · December 13

Desiato wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

This isn't the only TES with flashy stuff and weird mounts lol.

Skyrim and most of the TES games had Shadowmere... basically a demon horse. They also had a summoned mount named Arvak which was a skeletal horse with purple(ish) flames where its hair was. You also had the Dragon Aspect shout that surrounded you in an extremely colorful magic armor. There is also a quest in Skyrim where you can obtain a potion that turns you into a ghost.

I'm pretty sure almost everyone complaining about loud, flashy mounts would be pretty pleased to have Shadowmere.

Yes, of course previous TES games had glowing magical stuff too. No one is saying turn the game into a realistic medieval simulation. What people are saying is they think the implementation of glowy magical things has become too flashy and loud, not necessarily that they don't want it at all.

It extends to other aspects of the game too. In Trials, it's common for players to complain about effects spam.

When I watch my old pvp videos, it's amazing how much easier it was for me to observe buffs and debuffs on my characters while in combat in busy areas compared to now.

Isn’t there a way to turn off ally affects? I just don’t really notice these things truly because I believe I turned mine off. The only affects I see are from NPC’s, those seem fine but are also adjustable too.

Xinihp · December 13

I have the red spriggan polymorph on my magblade and she runs around town doing writs while oozing dark forest energy everywhere. Yesterday I got a tell from someone saying they absolutely loved my look and vibe.

So, I guess YMMV with the whole "bosmer can't shapeshift magic isn't real glamors shouldn't exist in a fantasy world" sentiment.

maboleth · December 13

SilverBride wrote: »

Mavloc wrote: »

It's very lore-breaking and nonimmersive to see people walking around town as literal atronachs or living chandeliers.
As if the crazy mounts weren't bad enough.

Dear ZOS, Stop It.
Just stop.

I agree 1000000 %. This game is becoming more and more cartoony and losing the "realiistic" feel it had at launch. It's like logging into a preschool playground.

Well, consider players as well. Most guys have totally forgettable, disposable names for their chars, usually without any thought. Some make some funny names or remarks, but very very few are lore friendly, based on the race.

So, while I spent HOURS thinking of my char name, before I even created one, I'm the extreme minority.
Same goes for flashy junk people are wearing. Majority are happy.
But I agree, ZOS does have a control of what to publish, but they chose the junk-food mode instead.

LikiLoki · December 13

Perhaps the data center couldn't stand it because of this. One monk from the Cult of the Ancestor Moth
said: there was a warning in the elder scrolls about this END If the world becomes a Korean MMO

maboleth · December 13

And another thing.
What applies to the appearance customization applies to the homes as well.

Most homes I've seen are flashy, colorful, circus-like, kitschy as well. Truly Sheogorath inspired, though totally unintentional.

Too many objects, too many obstacles. Only few of the guys I've visited actually had homes that looked real (fantasy real), in-sync with the lore or original settings of the home environment.

TwiceBornStar · December 13

I get that for some people (and I count myself amongst those!) certain things are hindering immersion. But! I also understand there are millions of people out there who love to walk around with names like ''I'mjustTimmy'', ''XxKillaxX'', ''ApexPredator'' or even ''Superbeast5200'', so who am I to judge a few Spriggans, Atronachs or Minotaurs wandering about town? If that's what they consider fun then who am I to judge?

We're not all wired the same way. Makes life interesting!

JiubLeRepenti · December 13

maboleth wrote: »

And another thing.
What applies to the appearance customization applies to the homes as well.

Most homes I've seen are flashy, colorful, circus-like, kitschy as well. Truly Sheogorath inspired, though totally unintentional.

Too many objects, too many obstacles. Only few of the guys I've visited actually had homes that looked real (fantasy real), in-sync with the lore or original settings of the home environment.

Feel free to visit my houses, you’ll see that I also try to have something coherent and not too « extravagant » as we can see sometimes

ID: JiubLeRepenti (PC/EU)
(See desc. as well for YouTube vids)

And I think there is a diff between doing what you want with your house (which stay as your very own instance, instead you decide to share it through the home tours tool), and something you see in the overland

Wuduwasa13 · December 13

Money speaks the loudest and as long as people continue buying the flash, it’ll continue to have its place in the game. Clearly it is being well received by the community at large as if not then time would not be dedicated to producing it & it wouldn’t occur enough in game to incite you folk to complain here on the forums about it bi-weekly.

This whole thread reeks of whiny RP entitlement.

The game is an MMO, not your personal RP simulator where other players are your captive audience & don’t get to play it as they wish simply to suit your preferences & enhance your experience.

maboleth · December 13

ID: JiubLeRepenti (PC/EU)
(See desc. as well for YouTube vids)

Thanks, I will.

And I think there is a diff between doing what you want with your house (which stay as your very own instance, instead you decide to share it through the home tours tool), and something you see in the overland

You're absolutely right. But what goes around comes around. Those flashy people usually have super flashy homes.
And ZOS is doing everything they can to make furniture and appearance items even more flashy.

spartaxoxo · December 13

Wuduwasa13 wrote: »

Money speaks the loudest and as long as people continue buying the flash, it’ll continue to have its place in the game. Clearly it is being well received by the community at large as if not then time would not be dedicated to producing it & it wouldn’t occur enough in game to incite you folk to complain here on the forums about it bi-weekly.

This whole thread reeks of whiny RP entitlement.

The game is an MMO, not your personal RP simulator where other players are your captive audience & don’t get to play it as they wish simply to suit your preferences & enhance your experience.

I am definitely on team "I like the magical stuff."

But, I don't think this is quite fair. The single player games have their fair share of things that make the world of Tamriel feel much more magical than our own. And these polymorphs, flashy mounts, skills, etc enhance that feeling IMO. But, the single player games for decades also allowed you to skip all of things and play in a more dour, realistic setting if you wanted to as well. There's a lot of gray and brown in Skyrim's color palette, for example.

I think it's fair if people want the multiplayer game to give them the option as well. I don't think the name-calling (calling fellow adults children) or calls for deleting these items from production are fair. But, I do think something like a toggle would be. I think a performance mode with player effects turned off and everyone in default looks would probably be a good for more than just this issue, tbh. It would probably improve the lag and performance in Cyrodiil and Trials as well.