Isn't it a bit much to ask 2k crowns for red style Summon Winged Twilight?

Orbital78

IMO that is the price it should be for all 3 Sorc pets as a bundle. If it were a model change, I would consider it more reasonable.

TaSheen

If it was for a nixad sized twilight, I'd pay it. But nope, it's even uglier than the original (I am NOT a fan of red). I'll just continue putting mine away after combat.

Erickson9610

TaSheen wrote: »

If it was for a nixad sized twilight, I'd pay it. But nope, it's even uglier than the original (I am NOT a fan of red). I'll just continue putting mine away after combat.

A nixad-sized twilight would be hard to see (and target) in PvP, so I doubt a resize would happen.

TaSheen

Erickson9610 wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

If it was for a nixad sized twilight, I'd pay it. But nope, it's even uglier than the original (I am NOT a fan of red). I'll just continue putting mine away after combat.

A nixad-sized twilight would be hard to see (and target) in PvP, so I doubt a resize would happen.

That's too bad. I don't ever pvp.

Erickson9610

TaSheen wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

If it was for a nixad sized twilight, I'd pay it. But nope, it's even uglier than the original (I am NOT a fan of red). I'll just continue putting mine away after combat.

A nixad-sized twilight would be hard to see (and target) in PvP, so I doubt a resize would happen.

That's too bad. I don't ever pvp.

I'll also add that I doubt "invisible" Skill Styles will ever happen, for much the same reason. Even for skills which aren't telegraphed to other players (like Grim Focus) there's just no way to justify making abilities completely invisible.

It'd be nice if there was an auto-dismiss when out of combat for summoned pets, though.

TaSheen

Erickson9610 wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

If it was for a nixad sized twilight, I'd pay it. But nope, it's even uglier than the original (I am NOT a fan of red). I'll just continue putting mine away after combat.

A nixad-sized twilight would be hard to see (and target) in PvP, so I doubt a resize would happen.

That's too bad. I don't ever pvp.

I'll also add that I doubt "invisible" Skill Styles will ever happen, for much the same reason. Even for skills which aren't telegraphed to other players (like Grim Focus) there's just no way to justify making abilities completely invisible.

It'd be nice if there was an auto-dismiss when out of combat for summoned pets, though.

Oh, I don't think invisible pets would work.... As for auto-dismiss, that would work, but at least I'm on PC so I have that nifty addon - I set keybind to F12 which is pretty "auto" for me by this point.

The thing is.... I'm not really bothered by the flappies, but I would like the tiny one because they do bother others so much.

Ragged_Claw

That's an insane price. They are taking the absolute biscuit. For that price, I'd want it to morph into a fire breathing dragon and poo gold coins. Anyway, it looks tacky. So there, ZoS.

Ezhh

Erickson9610 wrote: »

I'll also add that I doubt "invisible" Skill Styles will ever happen, for much the same reason. Even for skills which aren't telegraphed to other players (like Grim Focus) there's just no way to justify making abilities completely invisible.

It'd be nice if there was an auto-dismiss when out of combat for summoned pets, though.

I'm sure they could make it only enabled outside PvP. I would be quite happy to give them my money to not have to see the sorc pets in towns/PvE. Both my own and other people's pets.

spartaxoxo

msetten wrote: »

I must admit that I bought it without realizing how much it cost (not that was a big issue for me as I have saved up a lof of crowns). But realizing it now, yes 2k is a bit much.

Update: I do like that it is more transparent than the original one. It is now less annoying (but still a bit annoying) when crafting at certain crafting tables

That's one of the goals with paid in-game currencies as a general principle, to make the spender not think about or even forget the cost in real money.

Erickson9610

Ezhh wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

I'll also add that I doubt "invisible" Skill Styles will ever happen, for much the same reason. Even for skills which aren't telegraphed to other players (like Grim Focus) there's just no way to justify making abilities completely invisible.

It'd be nice if there was an auto-dismiss when out of combat for summoned pets, though.

I'm sure they could make it only enabled outside PvP. I would be quite happy to give them my money to not have to see the sorc pets in towns/PvE. Both my own and other people's pets.

If the issue is seeing pets in towns, why doesn't ZOS just hide them the way Companions are hidden in towns?

I'm sure ZOS could come up with some solution that makes pets only visible when they need to be — but using the Skill Styling system for that just isn't it.

spartaxoxo

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's about the same cost as an Arms Pack, so instead of having flashy weapons, you can have a flashy pet.

Weapons, plural. Instead of one skill. I had planned on spending IRL money on this but not anymore.

Erickson9610

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's about the same cost as an Arms Pack, so instead of having flashy weapons, you can have a flashy pet.

Weapons, plural. Instead of one skill. I had planned on spending IRL money on this but not anymore.

One skill includes the base morph and the two morphs, which have different appearances with this Skill Style. You can only have one set of weapons on your bar at any given time, so in a way it's very similar to the Skill Style changing depending on the one morph you pick.

Plus, for abilities which hide your weapons, you don't see your Arms Pack weapons. At least with this pet Skill Style, you see your pet at all times (until it is killed and needs to be summoned).

spartaxoxo

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's about the same cost as an Arms Pack, so instead of having flashy weapons, you can have a flashy pet.

Weapons, plural. Instead of one skill. I had planned on spending IRL money on this but not anymore.

One skill includes the base morph and the two morphs, which have different appearances with this Skill Style. You can only have one set of weapons on your bar at any given time, so in a way it's very similar to the Skill Style changing depending on the one morph you pick.

Plus, for abilities which hide your weapons, you don't see your Arms Pack weapons. At least with this pet Skill Style, you see your pet at all times (until it is killed and needs to be summoned).

It's still just one skill and less appearances than an arms pack.

Not seeing your weapon is the entire point of buying an arms pack that hides it. And you can do this with multiple weapons.

Erickson9610

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's about the same cost as an Arms Pack, so instead of having flashy weapons, you can have a flashy pet.

Weapons, plural. Instead of one skill. I had planned on spending IRL money on this but not anymore.

One skill includes the base morph and the two morphs, which have different appearances with this Skill Style. You can only have one set of weapons on your bar at any given time, so in a way it's very similar to the Skill Style changing depending on the one morph you pick.

Plus, for abilities which hide your weapons, you don't see your Arms Pack weapons. At least with this pet Skill Style, you see your pet at all times (until it is killed and needs to be summoned).

It's still just one skill and less appearances than an arms pack.

Not seeing your weapon is the entire point of buying an arms pack that hides it. And you can do this with multiple weapons.

Gloambound weapons are the exception. Most Arms Packs are meant to be flashy and let the user show off — just like Summon Winged Twilight, Warrior. This Skill Style isn't meant to hide or make Summon Winged Twilight less noticeable — it's meant to make that skill look flashy and let the user show off.

Ezhh

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Ezhh wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

I'll also add that I doubt "invisible" Skill Styles will ever happen, for much the same reason. Even for skills which aren't telegraphed to other players (like Grim Focus) there's just no way to justify making abilities completely invisible.

It'd be nice if there was an auto-dismiss when out of combat for summoned pets, though.

I'm sure they could make it only enabled outside PvP. I would be quite happy to give them my money to not have to see the sorc pets in towns/PvE. Both my own and other people's pets.

If the issue is seeing pets in towns, why doesn't ZOS just hide them the way Companions are hidden in towns?

I'm sure ZOS could come up with some solution that makes pets only visible when they need to be — but using the Skill Styling system for that just isn't it.

I agree doing it other ways would be 100% better, but at this point I'd take any solution. It's really not just about seeing them in towns. I don't even want to see my own pet, ever, never mind those of people who stand right on me/where I am trying to go. I've learned to mostly not look at them over the years playing, but it triggers something like motion sickness for me (I don't get motion sickness, so I have no idea what it is specifically about the pet's animation that does it, but it makes me feel ill if I look at them for too long).

But I am also thinking specific styles being disabled in PvP would get around the issue of how much more difficult a smaller alternative to the tormentor would be to target in PvP. That's something that would justify a higher cost (still not sure about 2k crowns though) due to it needing more than a recolour.

UntilValhalla13

These are free to play game prices, except it's not a free to play game.

Tommy_The_Gun

Player expectation feedback:

2000 - 2500 Crowns would be ok-ish if it was Werewolf Were-crocodile or Argonian Behemoth skin, with different sound effects & also other WW skills's visual & audio effects being also affected by it.

One class skill ? I know it is just a cosmetic thing but it is not worth it at this price point.

Destai

Personal taste aside, this is way too expensive for what you get. At most, 500 crowns. It’s one skill.

Erickson9610

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

These are free to play game prices, except it's not a free to play game.

To be fair, the game does have a relatively cheap barrier to entry. At least the Crown Store helps support the game's development.

spartaxoxo

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's about the same cost as an Arms Pack, so instead of having flashy weapons, you can have a flashy pet.

Weapons, plural. Instead of one skill. I had planned on spending IRL money on this but not anymore.

One skill includes the base morph and the two morphs, which have different appearances with this Skill Style. You can only have one set of weapons on your bar at any given time, so in a way it's very similar to the Skill Style changing depending on the one morph you pick.

Plus, for abilities which hide your weapons, you don't see your Arms Pack weapons. At least with this pet Skill Style, you see your pet at all times (until it is killed and needs to be summoned).

It's still just one skill and less appearances than an arms pack.

Not seeing your weapon is the entire point of buying an arms pack that hides it. And you can do this with multiple weapons.

Gloambound weapons are the exception. Most Arms Packs are meant to be flashy and let the user show off — just like Summon Winged Twilight, Warrior. This Skill Style isn't meant to hide or make Summon Winged Twilight less noticeable — it's meant to make that skill look flashy and let the user show off.

I know that. I was responding to this point.

Plus, for abilities which hide your weapons, you don't see your Arms Pack weapons. At least with this pet Skill Style, you see your pet at all times (until it is killed and needs to be summoned).

This is not a point in favor of the skill style's price because the point of the hidden weapons is to hide them. And the gloambound weapons pack provides more hidden weapons than the skill style.

This is a single skill that's restyled. You can stretch things to morphs if you want, but you still get less than what those weapon packs offer.

Erickson9610

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's about the same cost as an Arms Pack, so instead of having flashy weapons, you can have a flashy pet.

Weapons, plural. Instead of one skill. I had planned on spending IRL money on this but not anymore.

One skill includes the base morph and the two morphs, which have different appearances with this Skill Style. You can only have one set of weapons on your bar at any given time, so in a way it's very similar to the Skill Style changing depending on the one morph you pick.

Plus, for abilities which hide your weapons, you don't see your Arms Pack weapons. At least with this pet Skill Style, you see your pet at all times (until it is killed and needs to be summoned).

It's still just one skill and less appearances than an arms pack.

Not seeing your weapon is the entire point of buying an arms pack that hides it. And you can do this with multiple weapons.

Gloambound weapons are the exception. Most Arms Packs are meant to be flashy and let the user show off — just like Summon Winged Twilight, Warrior. This Skill Style isn't meant to hide or make Summon Winged Twilight less noticeable — it's meant to make that skill look flashy and let the user show off.

I know that. I was responding to this point.

Plus, for abilities which hide your weapons, you don't see your Arms Pack weapons. At least with this pet Skill Style, you see your pet at all times (until it is killed and needs to be summoned).

This is not a point in favor of the skill style's price because the point of the hidden weapons is to hide them. And the gloambound weapons pack provides more hidden weapons than the skill style.

This is a single skill that's restyled. You can stretch things to morphs if you want, but you still get less than what those weapon packs offer.

I'm not sure, then. Maybe ability reskins are valued more than weapon reskins are. Given weapons require entirely new models made and Skill Styles don't, I'm surprised they don't charge more for Arms Packs.

SerafinaWaterstar

I find this all highly amusing as the skill style hoo-hah has just passed me by.

Who cares?! This means nothing to me, oooooh Vienna!

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's about the same cost as an Arms Pack, so instead of having flashy weapons, you can have a flashy pet.

Weapons, plural. Instead of one skill. I had planned on spending IRL money on this but not anymore.

One skill includes the base morph and the two morphs, which have different appearances with this Skill Style. You can only have one set of weapons on your bar at any given time, so in a way it's very similar to the Skill Style changing depending on the one morph you pick.

Plus, for abilities which hide your weapons, you don't see your Arms Pack weapons. At least with this pet Skill Style, you see your pet at all times (until it is killed and needs to be summoned).

It's still just one skill and less appearances than an arms pack.

Not seeing your weapon is the entire point of buying an arms pack that hides it. And you can do this with multiple weapons.

Gloambound weapons are the exception. Most Arms Packs are meant to be flashy and let the user show off — just like Summon Winged Twilight, Warrior. This Skill Style isn't meant to hide or make Summon Winged Twilight less noticeable — it's meant to make that skill look flashy and let the user show off.

A large amount of Arms Packs styles has no effect at all.

spartaxoxo

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's about the same cost as an Arms Pack, so instead of having flashy weapons, you can have a flashy pet.

Weapons, plural. Instead of one skill. I had planned on spending IRL money on this but not anymore.

One skill includes the base morph and the two morphs, which have different appearances with this Skill Style. You can only have one set of weapons on your bar at any given time, so in a way it's very similar to the Skill Style changing depending on the one morph you pick.

Plus, for abilities which hide your weapons, you don't see your Arms Pack weapons. At least with this pet Skill Style, you see your pet at all times (until it is killed and needs to be summoned).

It's still just one skill and less appearances than an arms pack.

Not seeing your weapon is the entire point of buying an arms pack that hides it. And you can do this with multiple weapons.

Gloambound weapons are the exception. Most Arms Packs are meant to be flashy and let the user show off — just like Summon Winged Twilight, Warrior. This Skill Style isn't meant to hide or make Summon Winged Twilight less noticeable — it's meant to make that skill look flashy and let the user show off.

I know that. I was responding to this point.

Plus, for abilities which hide your weapons, you don't see your Arms Pack weapons. At least with this pet Skill Style, you see your pet at all times (until it is killed and needs to be summoned).

This is not a point in favor of the skill style's price because the point of the hidden weapons is to hide them. And the gloambound weapons pack provides more hidden weapons than the skill style.

This is a single skill that's restyled. You can stretch things to morphs if you want, but you still get less than what those weapon packs offer.

I'm not sure, then. Maybe ability reskins are valued more than weapon reskins are. Given weapons require entirely new models made and Skill Styles don't, I'm surprised they don't charge more for Arms Packs.

ZOS has simply increased prices across the board, I think. Certain items only retain certain prices because of precedent. But skill styles are new category of item and I guess they want to see what they can get away with. They pulled this same stunt with the multi-rider mount IIRC. At least that one had different functionality.

AngryPenguin

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but in my view it's the meaningless cosmetics like this that they should charge the most for. Nobody needs this, they just want it, so the price should reflect that. It's only a problem if they price gouge on things people need like more character slots, name/race change tokens etc., which, in my view, they do charge way too much for.

I'm still trying to figure out how these skill styles and colors are even a thing in a game that is allegedly a AAA game. AAA games focus on the game first with cosmetic concerns being of far less importance normally.

Erickson9610

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's about the same cost as an Arms Pack, so instead of having flashy weapons, you can have a flashy pet.

Weapons, plural. Instead of one skill. I had planned on spending IRL money on this but not anymore.

One skill includes the base morph and the two morphs, which have different appearances with this Skill Style. You can only have one set of weapons on your bar at any given time, so in a way it's very similar to the Skill Style changing depending on the one morph you pick.

Plus, for abilities which hide your weapons, you don't see your Arms Pack weapons. At least with this pet Skill Style, you see your pet at all times (until it is killed and needs to be summoned).

It's still just one skill and less appearances than an arms pack.

Not seeing your weapon is the entire point of buying an arms pack that hides it. And you can do this with multiple weapons.

Gloambound weapons are the exception. Most Arms Packs are meant to be flashy and let the user show off — just like Summon Winged Twilight, Warrior. This Skill Style isn't meant to hide or make Summon Winged Twilight less noticeable — it's meant to make that skill look flashy and let the user show off.

A large amount of Arms Packs styles has no effect at all.

True — maybe that wasn't a great analogy, to compare the effects of Skill Styles to those of Arms Packs.

You definitely seem to get more from Arms Packs than you do from a singular Skill Style. It'd be more accurate to compare the upcoming New Life Styles: Winter Skill Style pack to an Arms Pack which changes your weapon VFX. Maybe Summon Winged Twilight, Warrior is priced like it is because it's a pet ability that is constantly out?

heaven13

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's about the same cost as an Arms Pack, so instead of having flashy weapons, you can have a flashy pet.

Except Arms Packs usually come with at least 5-6 different weapon styles (one-hand, staff, shield, two-hand, and bow - more if they do each of the different one and two handed weapons), not just a single weapon.

IncultaWolf

I'd pay that much for more werewolf skill styles

ESO_Nightingale

2k is a bit much

tom6143346

2 k for this flappy bird ? [snip] But people will buy it and ZOS will continue to deliver. First people need to change than maybe ZOS will do it . Before I buy this style for 2 k, I rather spend the money for a non profit. That makes way more sense

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