Ok another bank space post

SilverBride

If all these things are needed why can so many of us go without them? We aren't all casual players that never participate in challenging content.

DenverRalphy

It doesn't matter whether some players hoard while other players are more frugal with their bank/storage space.

ZoS decided from the beginning to set a limit to the maximum bank space allotment. And their reason for doing so also does not matter.

What does matter though, is that with every DLC/Update, new items are added to the game without any regard for the initially imposed maximum limit. Basically the value of banking in ESO deteriorates with every update. So it's not surprising nor unreasonable when players become unhappy with it.

SilverBride

It does matter if players hoard because the items they are hoarding are using valuable server space that could be hurting performance. The last thing we need is to give more slots for players to hoard even more.

It seems that a lot of things being hoarded are surveys and maps and master writs. I think it would be helpful if these things had an experiation so they could not be held on to forever.

TaSheen

SilverBride wrote: »

It does matter if players hoard because the items they are hoarding are using valuable server space that could be hurting performance. The last thing we need is to give more slots for players to hoard even more.

It seems that a lot of things being hoarded are surveys and maps and master writs. I think it would be helpful if these things had an experiation so they could not be held on to forever.

I certainly hope that never happens.

TheImperfect

I think it would be good to make more virtual items that don't take bank or inventory slots. For example- survey maps could get a map viewer which is one item that stores all the survey maps as needed. etc

Necrotech_Master

i only on avg have about 150 slots of my bank in use, and an avg of 40 slots on a character in use, more than enough space to flex around

i do store a bunch of stuff in the housing storage containers but its mostly stuff i dont need access to very often, or i dont want it cluttering my bank which i use for quickly accessible storage across my characters

TaSheen

TheImperfect wrote: »

I think it would be good to make more virtual items that don't take bank or inventory slots. For example- survey maps could get a map viewer which is one item that stores all the survey maps as needed. etc

Now THAT is an excellent idea!

DenverRalphy

SilverBride wrote: »

It does matter if players hoard because the items they are hoarding are using valuable server space that could be hurting performance. The last thing we need is to give more slots for players to hoard even more.

It seems that a lot of things being hoarded are surveys and maps and master writs. I think it would be helpful if these things had an experiation so they could not be held on to forever.

Incorrect.

An empty bank slot occupies the same amount of memory as a full one. If a server queries a player's bank, a zero value returned requires the same amount of performance as a full value.

Amottica

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

notyuu wrote: »

How exsactly does scribing add a huge bank space requirement?

Other than the ink there's only the scripts and those are a one and done, as in you learn the script and that's it tada, I need to hold onto more copies, unless you're going to get alts to learn things, in which case put them on the alt and learn them, tada, then any scripts you get you can vendor for 900 gold a piece.

They take up bank space to pass between alts. That can quickly add up if you don't get on each alt all the time.

Go ahead and pass them to the alts and voilà, done.

twev

SilverBride wrote: »

If all these things are needed why can so many of us go without them? We aren't all casual players that never participate in challenging content.

Look at your character level and the levels you craft at.
I'll bet a wooden guar that you've been at or near the top in crafting and equipment for a really long time.
You've forgotten how hard it is to be a newb or lower mid level player, maybe with several toons at several various and different crafting levels, that need mats for each craft at different levels, plus all the different trait stones they want to experiment with, plus all the style stones and traits they need for doing a few master writs, while all you probably need is one or two stacks of just a few specific mats.
And you don't have any of that particular issue if you have ESO+.

Sure, lower level players can get rid of 'extra' crafting materials, but then the next few days they have to acquire mats they got rid of (a waste of farming time) to replace stuff they didn't have the room for 2 or 3 days ago.

What about players that have acquired more furnishings and decorations than they have room for in the one or two houses they've managed to acquire in the time they play at low levels, same as not yet acquiring storage containers as both houses and containers cost gold or crowns?
Sure- there are free apartments to stack stuff in, but then you're dictating to players that they ought to just pile stuff in and not bother with maybe the decorating they prefer, because, they're just newbs, and ought not worry about that until later?

Newbs and lower/mid level players often don't even know what, or when they're going to need something they managed to acquire by RNG. Maybe they snagged a few good deals on equipment they want to store for later when they level up to the levels they can use them.
Maybe they outleveled equipment, and/or changed the type of play from mele to magic, and want to store the stuff to hand down to other toons, or just want to experiment between several different sets, or play styles.

Maybe this, maybe that... lots of reasons and scenarios that don't have any affect on you, but affect players just trying to figure stuff out.

SilverBride wrote: »

It does matter if players hoard because the items they are hoarding are using valuable server space that could be hurting performance. The last thing we need is to give more slots for players to hoard even more.

It seems that a lot of things being hoarded are surveys and maps and master writs. I think it would be helpful if these things had an experiation so they could not be held on to forever.

And yet, the crafting bag can hold something ludicrious like 1.5 billion items.
Think of all the players with full banks, multiple toons with full inventories, and a ESO+ crafting bag on an expired ESO+ license, who haven't played in months or years.
Just because the account isn't active - the DB doesn't become it's own magical bag of holding that takes up zero size on the outside.

Thats a lot more storage space for the ESO server DB to keep account of than giving 5% of that to active players.

Amottica

SilverBride wrote: »

twev wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

If we had more space what would players use it for?

Whatever they deemed necessary?
There isn't a posted guideline of what is acceptable/unacceptable regarding stuff the game provides to the players.

The problem is that things are often deemed necessary that really aren't.

I agree. As a hoarder, I understand bank and bag space very well. They could double my storage, and I would still fill that up. I realized long ago that what I really needed was to decide what I didn't really need.

I am not arguing against more storage, though I know it will not happen until they get the server performance up to par, as they have said that is the reason why they have not added a furnishing bag. Still work to do with performance.

kargen27

mdjessup4906 wrote: »

See my post above. Just because you don't need it doesn’t mean it's not needed.

It's not needed. It is wanted. A want that will never go away. If given more space we will just fill it up and then want more.

kargen27

SilverBride wrote: »

It does matter if players hoard because the items they are hoarding are using valuable server space that could be hurting performance. The last thing we need is to give more slots for players to hoard even more.

It seems that a lot of things being hoarded are surveys and maps and master writs. I think it would be helpful if these things had an experiation so they could not be held on to forever.

I would rather see the ability to sell them to other players.

kargen27

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

It does matter if players hoard because the items they are hoarding are using valuable server space that could be hurting performance. The last thing we need is to give more slots for players to hoard even more.

It seems that a lot of things being hoarded are surveys and maps and master writs. I think it would be helpful if these things had an experiation so they could not be held on to forever.

Incorrect.

An empty bank slot occupies the same amount of memory as a full one. If a server queries a player's bank, a zero value returned requires the same amount of performance as a full value.

that is more an argument against adding more space than for adding more space. If more space might impact performance whether players use it or not then more space ranks right near the top of things we shouldn't get.

DenverRalphy

kargen27 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

It does matter if players hoard because the items they are hoarding are using valuable server space that could be hurting performance. The last thing we need is to give more slots for players to hoard even more.

It seems that a lot of things being hoarded are surveys and maps and master writs. I think it would be helpful if these things had an experiation so they could not be held on to forever.

Incorrect.

An empty bank slot occupies the same amount of memory as a full one. If a server queries a player's bank, a zero value returned requires the same amount of performance as a full value.

that is more an argument against adding more space than for adding more space. If more space might impact performance whether players use it or not then more space ranks right near the top of things we shouldn't get.

More space wouldn't affect performance. All it would affect is storage space, and one thing that there's no shortage of in the world of technology, is storage space. Not to mention, the increased in needed space would be negligible.

But now we're going waaay off topic.

The point is, Bank Space is at a premium, and ZoS keeps dumping more items into the game to take up that space.

spartaxoxo

SilverBride wrote: »

It seems that a lot of things being hoarded are surveys and maps and master writs. I think it would be helpful if these things had an experiation so they could not be held on to forever.

[snip] If they did that, I'd probably quit. I don't like it when games try to force me to enjoy things that I don't enjoy naturally. I don't mean by having nice rewards for different content. I mean things where the player is harshly punished for not enjoying something. I don't like digging surveys. Not everyone enjoys digging surveys. We don't need to be punished for that.

[Edit for bait]

TaSheen

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

It seems that a lot of things being hoarded are surveys and maps and master writs. I think it would be helpful if these things had an experiation so they could not be held on to forever.

[snip] If they did that, I'd probably quit. I don't like it when games try to force me to enjoy things that I don't enjoy naturally. I don't mean by having nice rewards for different content. I mean things where the player is harshly punished for not enjoying something. I don't like digging surveys. Not everyone enjoys digging surveys. We don't need to be punished for that.

[Edit for bait]

You and me both.... though I do realize no one would care.... especially those who are fixated on "you hoarders are a problem for ME" for whatthehellever reason....

As it happens, I love surveys. I just choose to hang onto them until I have enough time without IRL annoyances to spend all the time I need to collect them all. Winter is coming.... and that's when NO ONE bothers me, so I can do what I want to do when I want to do it.

And actually, I am NOT a hoarder. I have a hundred or more empty spaces in each account's bank, both PC megaservers, and my characters never get even close to all slots full (except for the newest account, but that's something that gets fixed over time of course).

Amottica

twev wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

If all these things are needed why can so many of us go without them? We aren't all casual players that never participate in challenging content.

Look at your character level and the levels you craft at.
I'll bet a wooden guar that you've been at or near the top in crafting and equipment for a really long time.
You've forgotten how hard it is to be a newb or lower mid level player, maybe with several toons at several various and different crafting levels, that need mats for each craft at different levels, plus all the different trait stones they want to experiment with, plus all the style stones and traits they need for doing a few master writs, while all you probably need is one or two stacks of just a few specific mats.
And you don't have any of that particular issue if you have ESO+.

That person has been around since the game launched, based on their forum profile. That means she leveled up all that crafting with less storage space and ESO+ nor the crafting bag existed then.

While I have not been around that long, it has still been a while since I leveled up my crafting. I remember it well. It was not hard at all. I just deconed everything I found and followed a guide for alchemy and provisioning and got a guild mate to help me with the enchanting. Pretty easy and I did not have ESO+ at the time. The research of traits took a long time but that is not affected much by bank space.

Sure, we can all use more bag space to hoard more stuff, but their words do ring true.

FlopsyPrince

Amottica wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

notyuu wrote: »

How exsactly does scribing add a huge bank space requirement?

Other than the ink there's only the scripts and those are a one and done, as in you learn the script and that's it tada, I need to hold onto more copies, unless you're going to get alts to learn things, in which case put them on the alt and learn them, tada, then any scripts you get you can vendor for 900 gold a piece.

They take up bank space to pass between alts. That can quickly add up if you don't get on each alt all the time.

Go ahead and pass them to the alts and voilà, done.

Is this meant to be helpful or just an insult? I don't play all my alts all the time. And loading on PC now takes quite a long time.

I could even make a lot more gold if I did daily writs on all 60 of my characters (across PC and PS5), but that quickly gets tedious and boring. It is no excuse to say we don't need space just because I don't want to actively work through my characters to pass things around.

This is one thing that also would have been nice to change with AWA. Though getting the same useless recipes as the Daily Provisioning crafting task is another example of a waste of time/space.

SilverBride

Amottica wrote: »

That person has been around since the game launched, based on their forum profile. That means she leveled up all that crafting with less storage space and ESO+ nor the crafting bag existed then.

While I have not been around that long, it has still been a while since I leveled up my crafting. I remember it well. It was not hard at all. I just deconed everything I found and followed a guide for alchemy and provisioning and got a guild mate to help me with the enchanting. Pretty easy and I did not have ESO+ at the time. The research of traits took a long time but that is not affected much by bank space.

Sure, we can all use more bag space to hoard more stuff, but their words do ring true.

I actually started in Beta. I did take a break because I was unable to solo quest until they removed the veteran zones and introduced One Tamriel, but have been back quite awhile now.

I did level crafting on a couple of characters back then but my other alts are within the past couple of years.

TaSheen

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

notyuu wrote: »

How exsactly does scribing add a huge bank space requirement?

Other than the ink there's only the scripts and those are a one and done, as in you learn the script and that's it tada, I need to hold onto more copies, unless you're going to get alts to learn things, in which case put them on the alt and learn them, tada, then any scripts you get you can vendor for 900 gold a piece.

They take up bank space to pass between alts. That can quickly add up if you don't get on each alt all the time.

Go ahead and pass them to the alts and voilà, done.

Is this meant to be helpful or just an insult? I don't play all my alts all the time. And loading on PC now takes quite a long time.

I could even make a lot more gold if I did daily writs on all 60 of my characters (across PC and PS5), but that quickly gets tedious and boring. It is no excuse to say we don't need space just because I don't want to actively work through my characters to pass things around.

This is one thing that also would have been nice to change with AWA. Though getting the same useless recipes as the Daily Provisioning crafting task is another example of a waste of time/space.

Uh.... loading on PC doesn't take much time at all. About 20 seconds to char select screen, and about 20 more to char load in....

Amottica

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

notyuu wrote: »

How exsactly does scribing add a huge bank space requirement?

Other than the ink there's only the scripts and those are a one and done, as in you learn the script and that's it tada, I need to hold onto more copies, unless you're going to get alts to learn things, in which case put them on the alt and learn them, tada, then any scripts you get you can vendor for 900 gold a piece.

They take up bank space to pass between alts. That can quickly add up if you don't get on each alt all the time.

Go ahead and pass them to the alts and voilà, done.

Is this meant to be helpful or just an insult? I don't play all my alts all the time. And loading on PC now takes quite a long time.

I could even make a lot more gold if I did daily writs on all 60 of my characters (across PC and PS5), but that quickly gets tedious and boring. It is no excuse to say we don't need space just because I don't want to actively work through my characters to pass things around.

This is one thing that also would have been nice to change with AWA. Though getting the same useless recipes as the Daily Provisioning crafting task is another example of a waste of time/space

.

It is meant to be accurate. Swapping to an alt takes just a moment and does not require much effort. If it is slow, then that is a localized issue since I can swap through multiple alts in just a few minutes, and my PC is about eight years old.

It does not require actually playing the alt, either. That is optional.

Amottica

SilverBride wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

That person has been around since the game launched, based on their forum profile. That means she leveled up all that crafting with less storage space and ESO+ nor the crafting bag existed then.

While I have not been around that long, it has still been a while since I leveled up my crafting. I remember it well. It was not hard at all. I just deconed everything I found and followed a guide for alchemy and provisioning and got a guild mate to help me with the enchanting. Pretty easy and I did not have ESO+ at the time. The research of traits took a long time but that is not affected much by bank space.

Sure, we can all use more bag space to hoard more stuff, but their words do ring true.

I actually started in Beta. I did take a break because I was unable to solo quest until they removed the veteran zones and introduced One Tamriel, but have been back quite awhile now.

I did level crafting on a couple of characters back then but my other alts are within the past couple of years.

Did you have major inventory issues while leveling crafting way back then?

SilverBride

Amottica wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I actually started in Beta. I did take a break because I was unable to solo quest until they removed the veteran zones and introduced One Tamriel, but have been back quite awhile now.

I did level crafting on a couple of characters back then but my other alts are within the past couple of years.

Did you have major inventory issues while leveling crafting way back then?

I've never had inventory issues in any game I've ever played. In fact, I didn't even buy all the bank or bag upgrades until a few years ago when I got into trading, because I didn't have enough gold to buy them before that.

I just used my mats to craft as I got them and never stored them.

I dig my surveys and maps and craft my master writs the same day I get them so they never take up space.

spartaxoxo

TaSheen wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

It seems that a lot of things being hoarded are surveys and maps and master writs. I think it would be helpful if these things had an experiation so they could not be held on to forever.

[snip] If they did that, I'd probably quit. I don't like it when games try to force me to enjoy things that I don't enjoy naturally. I don't mean by having nice rewards for different content. I mean things where the player is harshly punished for not enjoying something. I don't like digging surveys. Not everyone enjoys digging surveys. We don't need to be punished for that.

[Edit for bait]

You and me both.... though I do realize no one would care.... especially those who are fixated on "you hoarders are a problem for ME" for whatthehellever reason....

As it happens, I love surveys. I just choose to hang onto them until I have enough time without IRL annoyances to spend all the time I need to collect them all. Winter is coming.... and that's when NO ONE bothers me, so I can do what I want to do when I want to do it.

And actually, I am NOT a hoarder. I have a hundred or more empty spaces in each account's bank, both PC megaservers, and my characters never get even close to all slots full (except for the newest account, but that's something that gets fixed over time of course).

I'm not a hoarder either. Surveys are a major source of income and help to fund all the other activities that I actually enjoy. I would consider them a needed item for my gameplay. So, I keep them and do them. But they are a chore for me.

I personally don't enjoy them doing them at all. I personally find them to be mindless, tedious, busywork. If I had to do them frequently, I would probably grow to hate this game. So, what I do is I save them until I need them. And then I do it at once. Maybe there's an event coming up that would be a good time to sell. Maybe there's a big purchase I just made and need to replenish my funds. Maybe I just felt I needed to do some chores tasks so it doesn't get too big. Those are the reasons I do them.

I don't do them for fun. At all. I don't find it fun. And I don't think that's something the devs should force on anyone.

We all have different needs for bank space. And the devs are rightfully taking action to help alleviate the problem with inventory space. I know they said they don't want to just increase the space but I'm glad that they are doing something for the people who need it.

All of us have different needs in game and it's based on all of us having different things that we enjoy.

katanagirl1

One man’s trash…lol

Can’t believe we’d discussing this again. For like the third time.

Aliniel

It's a simple strategy really. Create problems. Provide paid solution. Crafting Bag and double bank space are the main selling points of ESO+.

ZOS keeps adding new items, materials, new types of trash, etc. And never have they increased the bag space (unless you count the 5-slot pets - 3x 5 extra slots is actually laughable compared to how much stuff they keep adding).

I took a short break from ESO recently and unsubbed for a few weeks. The game was unplayable. Constant inventory management. I didn't dare do daily crafting writs. Doing a random dungeon resulted in me needing to clear my inventory mid-run. And after the run.

There are some things I hoard. Like master writs. Then do them all during a double XP event. So, yes, in time my bank does fill up. And I have 22 characters in total. I was even considering buying another game copy just so I can get extra space. Bizarre.

Elvenheart

katanagirl1 wrote: »

One man’s trash…lol

Can’t believe we’d discussing this again. For like the third time.

Just the third? 😂

Sarannah

Other ways to save space instead of adding more bank/inventory slots:
-Master writ bag. (most important to me, would save me the most space)
-Furniture bag.
-Survey holder. (third most important to me)
-Armory gear storage. (second most important to me, as all my characters have multiple armory builds, three or more)
-Soul gems turned into one soul gem or very large stack size.
-Potion bag.
-Motif/style page holder.

Necrotech_Master

Sarannah wrote: »

Other ways to save space instead of adding more bank/inventory slots:
-Master writ bag. (most important to me, would save me the most space)
-Furniture bag.
-Survey holder. (third most important to me)
-Armory gear storage. (second most important to me, as all my characters have multiple armory builds, three or more)
-Soul gems turned into one soul gem or very large stack size.
-Potion bag.
-Motif/style page holder.

there is already only 1 soul gem (2 if you count the crown ones but im only counting normal in game ones), however i would agree with the stack size

a lot of my characters have upwards 4-6 stacks of soul gems on them, i even throw some of the extra stacks into the bank and i have like 6+ stacks in there too