Why is there no "Disagree" Option for posts?

Shara_Wynn · July 11

It could be argued that there are three options that can be assigned to agreeing with a poster's comment, "insightful", "agree" and "awesome" but there is no option for a simple "disagree".

Is it possible to add one?

vsrs_au · July 11

I hope not: social media sites supporting any kind of negative reactions tend to be toxic places. reddit is a prime example, where downvotes are used as a weapon.

Rowjoh · July 11

why?

very obviously because of trolling and toxicity.

LunaFlora · July 11

i am glad there is not a disagree reaction

JonesFPS · July 11

Well the world is a toxic place.
i would also want a disagree button. Easier then writing a message.

karthrag_inak · July 11

But there is. Khajiit will show you how...

karthrag_inak · July 11

"I disagree"

karthrag_inak · July 11

See? Not so hard, yes?

Ph1p · July 11

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

It could be argued that there are three options that can be assigned to agreeing with a poster's comment, "insightful", "agree" and "awesome" but there is no option for a simple "disagree".

Is it possible to add one?

If I'm in agreement, there is nothing more I need to add, so a button is enough. If I disagree, explaining the reasons why in a post makes for a more constructive discussion.

Tazzy · July 11

If you disagree, you can write a comment where you explain, why you disagree. I always understood this forum as a place for discussions. Just leaving a disagree flag is - in my opinion - very impolite and and is not exactly conducive to discussions.

Syldras · July 11

I want the system to change entirely to three new categories:
( ) Splendid!
( ) Thoughtful.
( ) Uncultured drivel.

Not happy with that? Then you can be happy if nothing changes

Paulytnz · July 11

I disagree with the disagree option. Now, can someone please add this as an option?

You see the irony? If there was a disagree option already in place. Right now this thread could be spammed by that very option and you, dear OP may feel that it is not deserved, and that people should need to prove their case to you.

Bad idea.

You see, sometimes that old saying "be careful what you wish for, it may happen" can actually make some sense.

amig186 · July 11

That's what insightful is often used for.

JonesFPS wrote: »

Well the world is a toxic place.

And God forbid we be allowed to take a break from that crap on a video game forum.

DenverRalphy · July 11

There used to be a disagree option. But the playerbase had proven yet again, that as a whole they were not mature enough to use it responsibly. It was used more for trolling than anything else. There also used to be a LOL option too (and something else, can't remember).

So Zos did what any parent would do when their children become petulant and won't play nice. They took the toys away.

Casdha · July 11

DenverRalphy wrote: »

There used to be a disagree option. But the playerbase had proven yet again, that as a whole they were not mature enough to use it responsibly. It was used more for trolling than anything else. The also used to be a LOL option too (and something else, can't remember).

So Zos did what any parent would do when their children become petulant and won't play nice. They took the toys away.

Does this help?

Vulsahdaal · July 11

Its still there, but now its called 'Insightful'. After 'disagree' was removed, it changed to 'LOL'

So they removed LOL, and it changed to Insightful.

So far, Insightful hasnt been removed yet. But if it was, I figure it will change to Awesome.

Probably best if they just remove all those options. They have no meaning anyway. Maybe just one single option for 'Agree' would be fine, people can either click it or not.

Shara_Wynn · July 11

I can agree with a post without having to clutter up the thread by saying so, so why can I not disagree with a post by doing the same?

Quite often posts are put up on the forum, asking for this or for that. If I disagree with what is being asked for, then it would be much simpler for me, and others, to just click a disagree button, rather than have to clutter the thread with yet another post that simply says "I disagree" but adds nothing else to the discussion.

Also the argument that it is in some way "toxic" to disagree with someone is, well, quite frankly a sad indictment of the mind who actually believes that. Indeed, one could say that even saying that "if you disagree with me you are being toxic" is itself toxic.

Can someone give me an example of how a disagree button could be used in a toxic manner?

Are we not all adults, capable of being civil while we disagree with each other?

DenverRalphy wrote: »

There used to be a disagree option. But the playerbase had proven yet again, that as a whole they were not mature enough to use it responsibly. It was used more for trolling than anything else. The also used to be a LOL option too (and something else, can't remember).

So Zos did what any parent would do when their children become petulant and won't play nice. They took the toys away.

Well then that's... that's quite sad really isn't it.

ESO_player123 · July 11

Now I feel bad for the times I clicked on "insightful" because I really thought the posts were insightful.

Casdha · July 11

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

I can agree with a post without having to clutter up the thread by saying so, so why can I not disagree with a post by doing the same?

Quite often posts are put up on the forum, asking for this or for that. If I disagree with what is being asked for, then it would be much simpler for me, and others, to just click a disagree button, rather than have to clutter the thread with yet another post that simply says "I disagree" but adds nothing else to the discussion.

Also the argument that it is in some way "toxic" to disagree with someone is, well, quite frankly a sad indictment of the mind who actually believes that. Indeed, one could say that even saying that "if you disagree with me you are being toxic" is itself toxic.

Can someone give me an example of how a disagree button could be used in a toxic manner?

Are we not all adults, capable of being civil while we disagree with each other?

DenverRalphy wrote: »

There used to be a disagree option. But the playerbase had proven yet again, that as a whole they were not mature enough to use it responsibly. It was used more for trolling than anything else. The also used to be a LOL option too (and something else, can't remember).

So Zos did what any parent would do when their children become petulant and won't play nice. They took the toys away.

Well then that's... that's quite sad really isn't it.

I think the difference in button vs. no button is that you can still disagree with someone but you have to post it, which identifies you for doing so, and has the opportunity for you to leave a reason. The button was anonymous.

Aurielle · July 11

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Now I feel bad for the times I clicked on "insightful" because I really thought the posts were insightful.

Me too. People seriously use that to “disagree” with posts? I always give insightfuls to helpful posts I learn from.

ArchangelIsraphel · July 11

Aurielle wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Now I feel bad for the times I clicked on "insightful" because I really thought the posts were insightful.

Me too. People seriously use that to “disagree” with posts? I always give insightfuls to helpful posts I learn from.

Honestly, I think most of the time it is used in the spirit it is intended to be used in- to upvote a genuinely insightful post. Every now and then I see it used sarcasticly, but the nature of whatever the post is usually gives that away. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

DenverRalphy · July 11

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Now I feel bad for the times I clicked on "insightful" because I really thought the posts were insightful.

Don't feel bad at all. I dunno why Vulsahdaal made that claim. But it's not true.

Casdha · July 11

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Now I feel bad for the times I clicked on "insightful" because I really thought the posts were insightful.

I wouldn't feel bad, you knew what you meant when you left it.

I leave them all of the time and sometimes I use it as I don't agree with you but you shared a fair opinion and that in itself is "insightful", other times it is something I wasn't aware of and that too is "insightful".

Syldras · July 11

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

Can someone give me an example of how a disagree button could be used in a toxic manner?

It may happen as a reaction on a thread where someone...
- introduces their guild
- posts their art (in the "user creations" subforum)
- asks a question as a newbie
- wants to discuss the writing of LGBT characters or quests
Just a few examples I can think of.

Of course not everyone has to like everyone's art or find a specialized guild concept useful, but I don't think that has to be voiced by hitting a "disapproval" button, especially if it wasn't a thread asking for criticism. I mean, of course one could say that everyone has the right to utter their opinion, and if someone finds someone's art ugly or an idea stupid, then it's the way it is. Still, I don't think that would contribute to a positive forum atmosphere.

spartaxoxo · July 11

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Its still there, but now its called 'Insightful'. After 'disagree' was removed, it changed to 'LOL'

So they removed LOL, and it changed to Insightful.

So far, Insightful hasnt been removed yet. But if it was, I figure it will change to Awesome.

Probably best if they just remove all those options. They have no meaning anyway. Maybe just one single option for 'Agree' would be fine, people can either click it or not.

I definitely don't hit insightful for a post I disagree with.

Elsonso · July 11

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Its still there, but now its called 'Insightful'. After 'disagree' was removed, it changed to 'LOL'

So they removed LOL, and it changed to Insightful.

So far, Insightful hasnt been removed yet. But if it was, I figure it will change to Awesome.

Some people decided that "Insightful" replaced "LOL" and some people decided that "Awesome" replaced "LOL". No one can enforce the rule either way. In the end, I am sure that people still try to do this, but it has become so diluted this is just 'head-canon' for the person using it. Today, they mean what the words mean and any ulterior meaning is usually lost immediately after the person clicks it.

As I recall, and I am not sure where I heard this, but I am fairly sure it came from someone at ZOS... "Agree" is there to help cut down on the number of two word replies: "I agree". The problem with "Disagree" was that people clicked it but didn't add anything to the conversation, which makes it pointless.

Creative people can troll with it by following someone around and clicking "Disagree" on everything they post. This would show up in the forum profile and be a significant number, if it was done enough. Maybe that is why it was removed.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Four_Fingers · July 11

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Its still there, but now its called 'Insightful'. After 'disagree' was removed, it changed to 'LOL'

So they removed LOL, and it changed to Insightful.

So far, Insightful hasnt been removed yet. But if it was, I figure it will change to Awesome.

Probably best if they just remove all those options. They have no meaning anyway. Maybe just one single option for 'Agree' would be fine, people can either click it or not.

You need to look up the meaning of the word insightful.
But thanks for the extra points toward the badge! lol

Shara_Wynn · July 11

Syldras wrote: »

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

Can someone give me an example of how a disagree button could be used in a toxic manner?

It may happen as a reaction on a thread where someone...
- introduces their guild
- posts their art (in the "user creations" subforum)
- asks a question as a newbie
- wants to discuss the writing of LGBT characters or quests
Just a few examples I can think of.

Of course not everyone has to like everyone's art or find a specialized guild concept useful, but I don't think that has to be voiced by hitting a "disapproval" button, especially if it wasn't a thread asking for criticism. I mean, of course one could say that everyone has the right to utter their opinion, and if someone finds someone's art ugly or an idea stupid, then it's the way it is. Still, I don't think that would contribute to a positive forum atmosphere.

I get that English is not everyone's first language so just to clarify a few things.

Disapproval and disagreement are NOT the same things. To disapprove of something suggest that you actively dislike something. To disagree with someone is just expressing that you do not agree with their opinion.

amig186 wrote: »

That's what insightful is often used for.

Also "insightful" certainly doesn't mean that you disagree. The definition of insightful is...

"having or showing an accurate and deep understanding; perceptive."

So if anyone on these forums is using the "insightful" button to somehow show that they disagree with a person's opinion or their posts, then they might want to reconsider.

I am pretty sure ZOS fully understands this definition.

Shara_Wynn · July 11

Casdha wrote: »

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

I can agree with a post without having to clutter up the thread by saying so, so why can I not disagree with a post by doing the same?

Quite often posts are put up on the forum, asking for this or for that. If I disagree with what is being asked for, then it would be much simpler for me, and others, to just click a disagree button, rather than have to clutter the thread with yet another post that simply says "I disagree" but adds nothing else to the discussion.

Also the argument that it is in some way "toxic" to disagree with someone is, well, quite frankly a sad indictment of the mind who actually believes that. Indeed, one could say that even saying that "if you disagree with me you are being toxic" is itself toxic.

Can someone give me an example of how a disagree button could be used in a toxic manner?

Are we not all adults, capable of being civil while we disagree with each other?

DenverRalphy wrote: »

There used to be a disagree option. But the playerbase had proven yet again, that as a whole they were not mature enough to use it responsibly. It was used more for trolling than anything else. The also used to be a LOL option too (and something else, can't remember).

So Zos did what any parent would do when their children become petulant and won't play nice. They took the toys away.

Well then that's... that's quite sad really isn't it.

I think the difference in button vs. no button is that you can still disagree with someone but you have to post it, which identifies you for doing so, and has the opportunity for you to leave a reason. The button was anonymous.

But someone can anonymously agree with a post that disagrees with the OP. Therefore disagreeing with the OP but doing so anonymously?

Syldras · July 11

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

I get that English is not everyone's first language so just to clarify a few things.
Disapproval and disagreement are NOT the same things. To disapprove of something suggest that you actively dislike something. To disagree with someone is just expressing that you do not agree with their opinion.

I know that. But what would it mean, if someone introduces their guild, just that, and people hit "disagree"? What would it mean if someone asks the users to tell them about LGBT quests they've found in the game, and then he gets a dozen of "disagrees"? It doesn't matter if "disagree" isn't the right word, the intention is clear.

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

Also "insightful" certainly doesn't mean that you disagree. The definition of insightful is...
"having or showing an accurate and deep understanding; perceptive."
So if anyone on these forums is using the "insightful" button to somehow show that they disagree with a person's opinion or their posts, then they might want to reconsider.

It's used sarcastically. As in "Yeah, smart stuff you've written there." = "What a useless stupid post."

And no, I'm personally not doing that, but I've seen people doing it. It was clear from context.

Four_Fingers · July 11

Well then it reflects on the maturity level of that person.
There is no up or down voting system here, thank goodness.