did they announce that there will be new luminous ink sources?

CoronHR · July 3

i saw someone in a forum post mentioning that there will be new sources, but does anyone know what they are? i missed it in the stream

LunaFlora · July 3

yes for treasure chests and heavy sacks

tomofhyrule · July 3

Treasure chests and heavy sacks.

Will see more on Monday with PTS patch notes.

Katheriah · July 3

Heavy sacks and I believe treasure chests.

Necrotech_Master · July 3

i think both sources will be nice to include as it gives more reason to loot them during dungeons and trials and the extremely poor drop rate from killing enemies (both trash mobs and bosses)

i just hope the overall drop rate of ink is increased, and that these new sources are also not garbage tier drop rate

Elsonso · July 3

My worry is that the overall drop rate will be about the same, just with more places with no ink to be found.

Erickson9610 · July 3

Provided players were already looting these sources anyway, the additional chance to find Luminous Ink from these sources means that overall, players will find more Luminous Ink. I think adding more sources (rather than increasing the drop rate for very specific sources) is the best approach to making Luminous Ink available over time, by encouraging players to diversify their activities.

That is, it's better that players have a chance to find Luminous Ink doing what they were doing anyway, rather than strongly nudging them in the direction of doing activities which they don't want to do in order to get Luminous Ink.

Necrotech_Master · July 3

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Provided players were already looting these sources anyway, the additional chance to find Luminous Ink from these sources means that overall, players will find more Luminous Ink. I think adding more sources (rather than increasing the drop rate for very specific sources) is the best approach to making Luminous Ink available over time, by encouraging players to diversify their activities.

That is, it's better that players have a chance to find Luminous Ink doing what they were doing anyway, rather than strongly nudging them in the direction of doing activities which they don't want to do in order to get Luminous Ink.

having a higher drop rate would help alleviate that too

if i could causally farm mats for say 20 min while waiting for a queue, and still net 5-10 ink from that, that would be ideal

or if doing a dungeon, i could guarantee at least say 1-2 ink from final boss (depending on dungeon difficulty), and then maybe 1 additional random drop chance from each boss in the dungeon, that would also be ideal

same if i could get ink from rewards of the worthy

we need both more sources, and higher drop rate to help alleviate the feeling of grind/disappointment from the system

Aurielle · July 3

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Provided players were already looting these sources anyway, the additional chance to find Luminous Ink from these sources means that overall, players will find more Luminous Ink. I think adding more sources (rather than increasing the drop rate for very specific sources) is the best approach to making Luminous Ink available over time, by encouraging players to diversify their activities.

That is, it's better that players have a chance to find Luminous Ink doing what they were doing anyway, rather than strongly nudging them in the direction of doing activities which they don't want to do in order to get Luminous Ink.

If the drop rate is the same, it’ll just be like harvesting another crafting node. It won’t necessarily increase ink for those of us who have been farming for it. I only unlock treasure chests when I’m farming treasure chest leads (which I hate and tend to avoid), and heavy sacks are much rarer than crafting nodes — they’re something I click on sometimes when I see them, but not something I expect to see every day.

It would have made sense to offer 1-2 guaranteed inks per day via daily quests or something.

sarahthes · July 3

The amount of ink dropping in total must be in line with their expectations and goals, then.

Sarannah · July 3

LunaFlora wrote: »

yes for treasure chests and heavy sacks

Awesome!

PS: I love the way ink is dropping, and they really aren't that rare(sitting at 100+).

Aurielle · July 3

Sarannah wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

yes for treasure chests and heavy sacks

Awesome!

PS: I love the way ink is dropping, and they really aren't that rare(sitting at 100+).

Yeah, well I haven’t even hit 50 ink yet, and I play daily, harvest crafting nodes daily. I’m not the only one in this boat.

Necrotech_Master · July 3

Aurielle wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

yes for treasure chests and heavy sacks

Awesome!

PS: I love the way ink is dropping, and they really aren't that rare(sitting at 100+).

Yeah, well I haven’t even hit 50 ink yet, and I play daily, harvest crafting nodes daily. I’m not the only one in this boat.

same here, im still under 35 ink lol

though i already gave up on node farming because the drop rate on ink is too low

sarahthes · July 3

I once went 3 weeks and filleted hundreds of fish with no perfect roe. I do understand the frustration. I just don't think the system is broken.

Sarannah · July 3

Aurielle wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

yes for treasure chests and heavy sacks

Awesome!

PS: I love the way ink is dropping, and they really aren't that rare(sitting at 100+).

Yeah, well I haven’t even hit 50 ink yet, and I play daily, harvest crafting nodes daily. I’m not the only one in this boat.

Though I did get most from harvesting nodes as well... quest spawned bosses seem to be the second highest droprate for ink. Found quite a bit off of them. Also monsters/boss monsters/backpacks/IA drop ink. Not too often though.

Just do what you normally do, and you will drop them eventually. I've had dryspills too, but I also had moments where I found like 5-6 almost in a row. Try to spread out for multiple sources, instead of only farming harvesting nodes.

Necrotech_Master · July 3

sarahthes wrote: »

I once went 3 weeks and filleted hundreds of fish with no perfect roe. I do understand the frustration. I just don't think the system is broken.

i dont think its broken, but the rate is definitely way too low as it currently sits

ive had varying swings of RNG in this game:

good:

getting harpooner kilt lead from shadowfen node in one try, randomly while i was doing something else
randomly finding a colovian war torte and managing to loot it while i was actively fleeing from combat
...probably more

bad:

13 tries to force open a simple lock, with all of the passives
still havent gotten the music box lead from west weald dailies and ive finished the 30 daily achievements as of yesterday
...probably more

those were just some examples come to mind

but the ink drop rate has been consistently bad for 4.5 weeks

Aurielle · July 3

Sarannah wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

yes for treasure chests and heavy sacks

Awesome!

PS: I love the way ink is dropping, and they really aren't that rare(sitting at 100+).

Yeah, well I haven’t even hit 50 ink yet, and I play daily, harvest crafting nodes daily. I’m not the only one in this boat.

Though I did get most from crafting nodes as well... quest spawned bosses seem to be the second highest droprate for ink. Found quite a bit off of them. Also monsters/boss monsters/backpacks/IA drop ink. Not too often though.

Just do what you normally do, and you will drop them eventually. I've had dryspills too, but I also had moments where I found like 5-6 almost in a row. Try to spread out for multiple sources, instead of only farming harvesting nodes.

I’ve yet to see one of these fabled lucky streaks and, again, have been hunting for ink almost every day since Gold Road launched. My account feels cursed. I appreciate the advice, but I’ve been doing everything everyone with good luck has been suggesting, to no avail. Guess I just don’t get to participate in scribing. *shrug*

RicAlmighty · July 3

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Alpheu5 · July 3

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Provided players were already looting these sources anyway, the additional chance to find Luminous Ink from these sources means that overall, players will find more Luminous Ink. I think adding more sources (rather than increasing the drop rate for very specific sources) is the best approach to making Luminous Ink available over time, by encouraging players to diversify their activities.

That is, it's better that players have a chance to find Luminous Ink doing what they were doing anyway, rather than strongly nudging them in the direction of doing activities which they don't want to do in order to get Luminous Ink.

having a higher drop rate would help alleviate that too

if i could causally farm mats for say 20 min while waiting for a queue, and still net 5-10 ink from that, that would be ideal

or if doing a dungeon, i could guarantee at least say 1-2 ink from final boss (depending on dungeon difficulty), and then maybe 1 additional random drop chance from each boss in the dungeon, that would also be ideal

same if i could get ink from rewards of the worthy

we need both more sources, and higher drop rate to help alleviate the feeling of grind/disappointment from the system

Would be nice if ink followed similar logic to keys and motifs when dropping from the final boss.
Normal Base - very rare chance at 1 ink
Normal DLC - rare chance at 2 ink
Vet Base - chance at 2 ink
Vet Base HM - guaranteed 2 ink
Vet DLC - chance at 3 ink
Vet DLC HM - guaranteed 3 ink

Elsonso · July 3

sarahthes wrote: »

The amount of ink dropping in total must be in line with their expectations and goals, then.

I think so, which is why I expect that even with more places to find it, the overall drop rate won't be that much better. We will just have more places to look.

Necrotech_Master · July 3

Sarannah wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

yes for treasure chests and heavy sacks

Awesome!

PS: I love the way ink is dropping, and they really aren't that rare(sitting at 100+).

Yeah, well I haven’t even hit 50 ink yet, and I play daily, harvest crafting nodes daily. I’m not the only one in this boat.

Though I did get most from harvesting nodes as well... quest spawned bosses seem to be the second highest droprate for ink. Found quite a bit off of them. Also monsters/boss monsters/backpacks/IA drop ink. Not too often though.

Just do what you normally do, and you will drop them eventually. I've had dryspills too, but I also had moments where I found like 5-6 almost in a row. Try to spread out for multiple sources, instead of only farming harvesting nodes.

the drop rate from mobs is insanely low, out of the 21 ink ive gotten, about 30% of it is from mob drops and the rest is from harvesting

ive not once gotten ink from archive, and maybe 1 or 2 in the entire time it took me to do 30 of each west weald daily

not to mention theres also parts of the game which outright do not drop ink at all (namely pvp) as there is no ink from rewards of the worthy, yesterday i spent 4 hours pvping, because i wanted to get my campaign tiers in for the new month, obviously i earned another big fat 0 ink yesterday because i was doing what i wanted to do instead of farming nodes like a bot

Araneae6537 · July 3

I really don’t get how ink is sourced. I understand that the script sources are to encourage engagement throughout the game, but I don’t see the upside with making luminous ink a rare resource just baed on RNG. Why not have ink a guaranteed drop from some sources, at least once per account per day, like sources of class script scraps could drop ink once the class script is collected.

LaintalAy · July 4

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Provided players were already looting these sources anyway, the additional chance to find Luminous Ink from these sources means that overall, players will find more Luminous Ink. I think adding more sources (rather than increasing the drop rate for very specific sources) is the best approach to making Luminous Ink available over time, by encouraging players to diversify their activities.

That is, it's better that players have a chance to find Luminous Ink doing what they were doing anyway, rather than strongly nudging them in the direction of doing activities which they don't want to do in order to get Luminous Ink.

Nope. Players will find less chests.

More Death Star support

Erickson9610 · July 4

LaintalAy wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Provided players were already looting these sources anyway, the additional chance to find Luminous Ink from these sources means that overall, players will find more Luminous Ink. I think adding more sources (rather than increasing the drop rate for very specific sources) is the best approach to making Luminous Ink available over time, by encouraging players to diversify their activities.

That is, it's better that players have a chance to find Luminous Ink doing what they were doing anyway, rather than strongly nudging them in the direction of doing activities which they don't want to do in order to get Luminous Ink.

Nope. Players will find less chests.

More Death Star support

What about guaranteed sources of chests, such as in dungeons or trials? Now players who run that content regularly will have even greater odds of obtaining Luminous Ink, and they won't need to compete with their fellow players to get to those containers first.

Heavy Sacks in these areas are also shared between the entire group, so there's another shared source of Luminous Ink on top of that.

Hotdog_23 · July 4

I am over scribing already. It will take years to have enough ink to be able to play and experiment with since I play on console with no PTS to play with. Ink will be precious to use unless I know exactly what I am using it for.

Know my situation is different from most others as I have 20 characters that I do play and not as bank/crafting mules only.

As it stands now I can't even do one skill for each of them unless I repeat the entire scribing quest for each of them. I considered it but decided against it. My choice I know. Just disappointed in the new system considering how walled off it is for me personally.

Stay safe 🙂

LaintalAy · July 4

Erickson9610 wrote: »

LaintalAy wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Provided players were already looting these sources anyway, the additional chance to find Luminous Ink from these sources means that overall, players will find more Luminous Ink. I think adding more sources (rather than increasing the drop rate for very specific sources) is the best approach to making Luminous Ink available over time, by encouraging players to diversify their activities.

That is, it's better that players have a chance to find Luminous Ink doing what they were doing anyway, rather than strongly nudging them in the direction of doing activities which they don't want to do in order to get Luminous Ink.

Nope. Players will find less chests.

More Death Star support

What about guaranteed sources of chests, such as in dungeons or trials? Now players who run that content regularly will have even greater odds of obtaining Luminous Ink, and they won't need to compete with their fellow players to get to those containers first.

Heavy Sacks in these areas are also shared between the entire group, so there's another shared source of Luminous Ink on top of that.

Maybe I wasn't clear. Ink-starved masses have stripped nodes in all zones, now the chests will be gone too.

You raise an interesting scenario of players slowing down in dungeons to find chests, something they don't do now. Yes trials are different. I'm of the opinion that heavy sacks are replacing chests in some cases.

I think everyone (who needs ink) was hoping for 'higher drop rates' to be announced.

Anyway, let's walk the road leading to the gold, eh?

Orbital78 · July 4

I think the drop rate was actually decreased due to the market flood. At least plentiful harvest. More sources is welcome though, hopefully archive boss chests are included. Treasure hunting is an enjoyable past time.

kookie · July 4

From Tribute Boxes I hope PLEASE, finding little motivation to play cards lately and it's a bummer.

James-Wayne · July 4

Elsonso wrote: »

My worry is that the overall drop rate will be about the same, just with more places with no ink to be found.

100% agree. It doesnt matter if you're clicking on a chest or clicking on a node the chance is the same but the issue remains.

CoronHR · July 4

thanks for the replies, everyone. question answered!

Jaraal · July 4

James-Wayne wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

My worry is that the overall drop rate will be about the same, just with more places with no ink to be found.

100% agree. It doesnt matter if you're clicking on a chest or clicking on a node the chance is the same but the issue remains.

Exactly. People asked for more sources, and more sources appeared. However, I'm not aware of ZOS stating anywhere that they made a mistake with how much ink they wanted to drop, and that they were increasing drop rates. It's entirely possible that drop rates can be modified towards being more scarce to make up for an increased number of sources. But as was mentioned, you'll be spending the same amount of game time clicking on chests or sacks as you were on nodes or killing enemies. You can only perform so many actions in a minute. So the drop rate will remain the same: as fast as you can collect them.