West Weald - that's all to explore for the next 12 months?

Warhawke_80

Maitsukas wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Malkosha wrote: »

For those saying this expansion is small and wanting, I wonder how long it took you to finish it? I mean, no one would come out saying the expansion is too small or other negatives comments in the same vein without first finishing it right? Since it's day one, I guess it would be very small to have y'all finish this fast. What did it take you? 4 hours? 6 hours? Were you speed running ... god I hope so ... or were you just taking your time? Thanks!

The AI generated quest are boring...

Quests created by machine learning AI? How exactly did you come up with that theory?

Simple go to chat GTP ask it to make a quest for ESO then copy paste...I just did it

LannStone

Dracane wrote: »

2 years ago, Deadlands made me rage quit the game (for 2 years, it was that bad) because Lyranth and those other lowly Daedra insects (all of which I could CRUSH, reduce to dust, return to nothingness, with the mere flick of a finger) called me “liTtLe mORtaL” on too many times.

ZOS needs emoji under comments
I didn't rage quit over Little Mortal, but I gritted my teeth every time she kept saying it!

Warhawke_80

LannStone wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

2 years ago, Deadlands made me rage quit the game (for 2 years, it was that bad) because Lyranth and those other lowly Daedra insects (all of which I could CRUSH, reduce to dust, return to nothingness, with the mere flick of a finger) called me “liTtLe mORtaL” on too many times.

ZOS needs emoji under comments
I didn't rage quit over Little Mortal, but I gritted my teeth every time she kept saying it!

Proxy isn't as bad as Little Mortal.... but it's damn close they really need to rethink their dialogue

Necrotech_Master

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

LannStone wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

2 years ago, Deadlands made me rage quit the game (for 2 years, it was that bad) because Lyranth and those other lowly Daedra insects (all of which I could CRUSH, reduce to dust, return to nothingness, with the mere flick of a finger) called me “liTtLe mORtaL” on too many times.

ZOS needs emoji under comments
I didn't rage quit over Little Mortal, but I gritted my teeth every time she kept saying it!

Proxy isn't as bad as Little Mortal.... but it's damn close they really need to rethink their dialogue

i do think they sometimes tend to overuse the generic word they call you

the proxy one was especially bad because every time i ported into necrom with any character who didnt do the main quest, the first thing i would hear when i left the wayshrine was "fate needs you proxy" lol

most of these characters dont have to refer to you as a specific title, there is no other character nearby they could possibly be talking to at the time so they dont need to refer to your character by whatever name they call you

Arrodisia

This is a game, a wonderful yet slightly flawed game like some others, which is in the process of recreating itself. it's not something to underestimate. Games can revive in 10 fold from this reflection time.

Nothing external can replace real life callings, challenges, relationships or a significantly outdated PC. Not much in any game is meant to be super long term or to busy you 24/7. It's meant for the here and now, grab it and play it to it's fullest. This is not yesterday, but today and today life begins again.

Live in today and enjoy today, because today is bountiful enough for us all. Betting on tomorrow and sleeping in yesterday's dream is a fool's errand. Bet on right now and play to enjoy your time now with us all.

I must say. The ESO title has given, more than is appreciated. Yes. We have our gripes, but mostly this game can be and is fun. Rethink your attitudes and try to be a bit more fair toward everyone.

Syldras

Arrodisia wrote: »

Nothing external can replace real life callings, challenges, relationships or a significantly outdated PC. Not much in any game is meant to be super long term or to busy you 24/7. It's meant for the here and now, grab it and play it to it's fullest.

I don't think anyone here expects to be entertained by ESO alone 24/7 for many years, or even to use ESO as a substitute for real life (What kind of imputation is that even?), it is about whether the value we get is worth the money. People would not want to pay the full price for a movie ticket to watch a 2 minute short film; they would not like to pay 50$ for a book advertised as a big anthology of tales, then realizing it consists only of three short stories. It is absolutely valid to discuss and question things, including media; in this case also it might help players to decide whether they want to buy this chapter or not. Especially for people who don't have much money to spare, this does matter. Also, how can ZOS know what the players wish for if we don't voice our opinions? I think that it should be done politely and fairly, but it should be done, because without criticism, there cannot be any improvement.

Serpari

Arrodisia wrote: »

This is a game, a wonderful yet slightly flawed game like some others, which is in the process of recreating itself. it's not something to underestimate. Games can revive in 10 fold from this reflection time.

Nothing external can replace real life callings, challenges, relationships or a significantly outdated PC. Not much in any game is meant to be super long term or to busy you 24/7. It's meant for the here and now, grab it and play it to it's fullest. This is not yesterday, but today and today life begins again.

Live in today and enjoy today, because today is bountiful enough for us all. Betting on tomorrow and sleeping in yesterday's dream is a fool's errand. Bet on right now and play to enjoy your time now with us all.

I must say. The ESO title has given, more than is appreciated. Yes. We have our gripes, but mostly this game can be and is fun. Rethink your attitudes and try to be a bit more fair toward everyone.

Your comment is a non sequitur. I have a life outside MMOs, as I'm sure many people who commented in this thread do too. You're making (unfair) assumptions about people's lives by implying the people who took the time to voice fairly even-keeled criticisms regarding Gold Road are playing this game 24/7, which is why they already burned through the content. I know I didn't, because I'm almost 40, married, with a rich life outside video games. Gold Road simply lacks content.

MMORPGs and RPGs as a whole happen to be my choice of unwinding after a long day's work. Have been for nearly twenty years. So I'm offering my opinion on the latest expansion, since I feel it warrants it, given my familiarity with the subject + the time I've sunk into it over the decades.

Mathius_Mordred

Arrodisia wrote: »

This is a game, a wonderful yet slightly flawed game like some others, which is in the process of recreating itself. it's not something to underestimate. Games can revive in 10 fold from this reflection time.

Nothing external can replace real life callings, challenges, relationships or a significantly outdated PC. Not much in any game is meant to be super long term or to busy you 24/7. It's meant for the here and now, grab it and play it to it's fullest. This is not yesterday, but today and today life begins again.

Live in today and enjoy today, because today is bountiful enough for us all. Betting on tomorrow and sleeping in yesterday's dream is a fool's errand. Bet on right now and play to enjoy your time now with us all.

I must say. The ESO title has given, more than is appreciated. Yes. We have our gripes, but mostly this game can be and is fun. Rethink your attitudes and try to be a bit more fair toward everyone.

Beautifully put.

TaSheen

I haven't even started it yet. Don't know when I will, still thinking about finishing Necrom (not sure yet). I will reserve judgement until I do play Gold Road.

I'm retired, so of course I could play 24/7 (well, if I could stay awake that long at my age) but I have other things I need to be doing so I play between about 7 am and around 2 pm most days (agreement with husband beginning in 1985 when I discovered CRPGs - because it's all too easy for me to lose track of time....) And after I do the housework type of stuff, and cook dinner, then I read until husband can't keep his eyes open even if it's exciting baseball! I'm usually in bed by 10:30 or so.

I don't ever rush into new zones. There's tons of content I still haven't done in the 7 years I've played ESO. I don't expect to run out of things to do in the game's lifetime - or mine, maybe!

Lumsdenml

SkaiFaith wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

If it was not for the scribing feature it would feel EXACTLY like a Q4 zone DLC.

Also much of the questing involves having completed Necrom beforehand which makes it feel even smaller, it does not feel like an expansion at all.

Soarora wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

If it was not for the scribing feature it would feel EXACTLY like a Q4 zone DLC.

Also much of the questing involves having completed Necrom beforehand which makes it feel even smaller, it does not feel like an expansion at all.

I’m convinced that’s exactly what it is— a Q4 DLC with a little extra padding. This isn’t what we asked for when we said we wanted story arcs, ZOS. Connection to characters is better than with year-long stories but you’re still afraid to kill people and honestly I don’t even like any of the npcs like how I did with Summerset.

Remember that in 2022 with the High Isle and "year story" outrage, when people weren't happy, Zos shifted immediately so we could get multi-year stories.

Necrom + West Weald at that point was likely already developed so it's fair to assume that West Weald was in fact a Q4 DLC, so the "strange dimensions" fit with how we got here.

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I'm pretty sure aprocropha (sp?) Would have been the 4Q DLC

dcrush

It seems like this DLC is ESO’s version of “shrinkflation” - reducing content but charging consumers the same price.

VisitHammerfell

Lugaldu wrote: »

First of all, thank you for the new chapter and the new content, I'm looking forward to the new quests and scribing as well as collecting all the new furnishing plans and antiquities.

But I also have to say that I'm disappointed with the size of the new region. You can look the entire map in 10 minutes and now I'm already depressed and thinking that that's all to explore for the next 12 months.

I have not had the chance to visit the new zone yet (console player), this is disappointing to hear. I too am looking forward to all the new collectibles and plans, and checking out scribing, but I would prefer larger sized zones. Honestly do not feel we are getting enough QoL changes that we truly want (locking crafting certification until higher levels and only hiding some NPCs whils still harassed by others is the opposite of QolL), to justify the loss of Q4 DLC or a 2nd map. At least we had both the Telvanni Peninsula and Apocrypha. We should have got Falinesti or another smaller portion of Cyrodillic lands.

We have not lost just the Q4 DLC but also a 2nd dungeon DLC. Less and less content per year. Frustrating

TaSheen

Crafting cert can be done really early, according to something I read on the forum a few weeks back. The "delay" seems to be simply to keep so much stuff from landing on new players.

Try it at the same level as it always was (level 6). I think someone said it was available even earlier, but I don't know that from personal experience.

VisitHammerfell

TaSheen wrote: »

Crafting cert can be done really early, according to something I read on the forum a few weeks back. The "delay" seems to be simply to keep so much stuff from landing on new players.

Try it at the same level as it always was (level 6). I think someone said it was available even earlier, but I don't know that from personal experience.

You used to be able to do certification for the basic 6 professions at level 3 in your alliance's first zone. Then those quests would often put you at level 6 to do the jewelry one in Summerset and then be able to pick up dailies. It was nice for levelling up a little. I understand hiding it for new players but things for new players should not be hidden for someone's 20th toon. Not important to me any more as I have 20 on both servers now but it is frustrating having some of these 'improvements' that take away from content be negative.

I am still harassed by 'Fate summons you champion will you answer it's call' all the time on my way to the Enclave lol

FelisCatus

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Also, there's only 5 main quests for this expansion (or more likely, 4, since the last one is usually a quick quest where all you do is talk with the expansion's cast) compared to Necrom's 9/8 quests

Feels like they treated this chapter as the "wrap up" quest line that you usually would get from doing the zone DLC that would come out in the previous DLC formula usually after the main chapter we would get a zone later on in the year to wrap up the cliffhanger of the chapter's quest line. I somehow at times miss the old format as it lead to a bigger story with more content.

Pelanora

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Meh you guys are spoilt. I play Star Trek Online and the latest season from them is 1 TFO that takes 7 minutes and one story that takes 30 minutes, as well as a species change token system that doesn't work and has been locked until they can fix it LMAO, granted that is free of charge to everyone but content in this game is absolutely massive compared to STO. That's why so many of us have left STO now and play ESO instead.

I have still got most side quests to do from Necrom, I managed to get the main quest finished in time for Gold Road, but last night I spent two hours doing the first couple of scribing quests alone. I spent another hour just walking around Skingrad and admiring the amazing beauty of the place (check out the furniture vendor by the way for some awesome and cheap gardening items).

Our guild is normally so busy in the evenings running events that it's rare I can find time to quest which is why it takes me longer, and I know I'm going to have to explain scribing multiple times to several people who can't get it. I appreciate the artistry of the zone and the stories. Compared to other zones it doesn't initially seem as large I will admit that, but it's big enough and if you take your time and read everything it can easily last a long time. I am not disappointed by my purchase at all.

After everything, my Arcanist has content to play from 10 years ago until now and will take me years to play through all the quests again, I started playing in closed beta and can't remember the quests now so most of the game feels like new content to me.

Just my two cents for what they are worth.

Saying another game sucks more is hardly solid praise.

Especially given the size of the elden ring new release

Warhawke_80

FelisCatus wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Also, there's only 5 main quests for this expansion (or more likely, 4, since the last one is usually a quick quest where all you do is talk with the expansion's cast) compared to Necrom's 9/8 quests

Feels like they treated this chapter as the "wrap up" quest line that you usually would get from doing the zone DLC that would come out in the previous DLC formula usually after the main chapter we would get a zone later on in the year to wrap up the cliffhanger of the chapter's quest line. I somehow at times miss the old format as it lead to a bigger story with more content.

I dunno it seems more to me like this once was a huge story that they cut to the bone.

This would actually be acceptable if they were bringing back the year long story...but this is it until June 2025...that is a long time in a ever shrinking world in terms of things to do....they could have leaned heavy on exploration, but the biome is pretty small...who knows maybe they have some new events or something planned....

FelisCatus

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Also, there's only 5 main quests for this expansion (or more likely, 4, since the last one is usually a quick quest where all you do is talk with the expansion's cast) compared to Necrom's 9/8 quests

Feels like they treated this chapter as the "wrap up" quest line that you usually would get from doing the zone DLC that would come out in the previous DLC formula usually after the main chapter we would get a zone later on in the year to wrap up the cliffhanger of the chapter's quest line. I somehow at times miss the old format as it lead to a bigger story with more content.

I dunno it seems more to me like this once was a huge story that they cut to the bone.

This would actually be acceptable if they were bringing back the year long story...but this is it until June 2025...that is a long time in a ever shrinking world in terms of things to do....they could have leaned heavy on exploration, but the biome is pretty small...who knows maybe they have some new events or something planned....

They probably spent most of that dev time on scribing and their anniversary events (live and digital) who really knows with ZOS but each year keeps getting more and more disappointing.

FlopsyPrince

What store or restaurant can coast on its past value? None.

Why should ESO get that ability?

It will be and should be judged by what it is doing now, not past performance.

Though the fact that many spotlight bugs have been around more than a decade indicates that bug fixing is not as high a priority as it should be.

kmfdm

By the way, isn't it a little strange that 10 houses in this game make a city and 10 trees make a forest?

Haenk

Considering the size of this expansion, adding ESO+ fees, it feels like a minor ripoff. On the plus side, future expansions can hardly made any smaller.

NeuroticPixels

Haenk wrote: »

Considering the size of this expansion, adding ESO+ fees, it feels like a minor ripoff. On the plus side, future expansions can hardly made any smaller.

ESO Devs: “Hold my beer.”

Drammanoth

You worry that you have a small-sized map?

Have you completed ALL the previous questlines from chapters and DLCs?

Because if it is required, than it is a brilliant move on ZOS' part to make us return to some old content.

Again, ZOS, it's brilliant!

LannStone

Just thought I'd give my initial impression (been playing eight years, two accounts)
I bought Gold Road tonight, played an hour to complete the daily delve quest
I had a good time
I didn't start on any of the places I was asked to explore when you first arrive there
I passed up quite a few quest givers on my way to the delve
So it seems to me there is a lot more to do
I got pieces of several new sets, and at least one of them looks pretty good
I haven't got into any of the new furnishings
I haven't even got into the main quest, and I'm not disappointed.
In any event, the main attraction for me is simply experiencing the new environment. The art is always ESO's strong point, and I have no problem paying $40 just to enjoy the visuals of each new chapter. It makes me feel good

FlopsyPrince

Drammanoth wrote: »

You worry that you have a small-sized map?

Have you completed ALL the previous questlines from chapters and DLCs?

Because if it is required, than it is a brilliant move on ZOS' part to make us return to some old content.

Again, ZOS, it's brilliant!

Huh? That is like saying smaller portions is a way for Fast Food places to encourage you to pay them a lot and get you to use all the food you have saved at home.

You already owned the past content. Not giving sufficient new content is not a value in the slightest.

Pelanora

NeuroticPixels wrote: »

Haenk wrote: »

Considering the size of this expansion, adding ESO+ fees, it feels like a minor ripoff. On the plus side, future expansions can hardly made any smaller.

ESO Devs: “Hold my beer.”

O how I laughed 😅 🤣 😂

Fata1moose

This zone is disappointingly smaller. I don't think it's as small as a DLC zone but it certainly the smallest chapter. We should be moving in the opposite direction with the elimination of the Q4 DLC zone. This also continues a trend of really messing with scale and making a tiny playable area take up a large swath of the map, it's not as bad as the Telvanni "Peninsula"...but it's still pretty bad so please ZOS avoid doing this in the future. Blackwood has tons of negative space where there's room between PoIs I'd prefer that over how cramped and small West Weald feels.

Yamenstein

Fata1moose wrote: »

This zone is disappointingly smaller. I don't think it's as small as a DLC zone but it certainly the smallest chapter. We should be moving in the opposite direction with the elimination of the Q4 DLC zone. This also continues a trend of really messing with scale and making a tiny playable area take up a large swath of the map, it's not as bad as Necrom...but it's still pretty bad so please ZOS avoid doing this in the future. Blackwood has tons of negative space where there's room between PoIs I'd prefer that over how cramped and small West Weald feels.

Feels like ZoS has lost direction on where they want the game to go. Feels like they plan only a year out at a time. Which is fine if you want all the story to be contained into one years worth of content.

Isn't the Q3 content normally paid for? Or at least free when you have ESO Plus? So my sub is now worth less.

All the content they come out with recently just seems like a means to set up more monetization.

Shadowbinder7

LucyferLightbringer wrote: »

Expansions keep getting smaller and smaller

I love how you got 53 likes on your comment… and yes it’s so true

I feel ZOS should pay a lot of attention to comments like this

Shadowbinder7

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

The content...to dollar ratio is making it not worth the purchase going forward... I'll wait for the expansion to go on sale next time.


Really ZoS you should have known that a paltry amount of content in the expansion would be a huge issue for most of us...and that will effect the number of units you sale next time because who wants to shell out Fifty bucks for a couple hours of content? Without enough to do people leave...it's that simple.


Edit: I also want to note that throwing a bunch of AI generated fetch quest at us isn't content...so please don't come back and tell us about the "Hours" of quest you put in. A half-measured expansion such as this should at the very least have sweeping bug/graphic and quality of life fixes...seriosuley what have you guys been doing?



I usually am positive on this forum...but this was a let down

Wow another one, fully agree.

It is my humble opinion, ZOS developers, you should really be scrutinising threads like this and adapting your upcoming expansion/story/content plans to basically…

“Attempt to give more bang for a player’s buck”

Otherwise I feel, simply due to my lore loyalty, I may well be walking in all zombie game zones in less than a year. In other words, more and more players will leave than new players joining. And people will play the game for a shorter period before giving up.

All really sad if you ask me