Please no more Crown Crates (or Loot boxes) as a daily reward!

jcaceresw · May 5

I would a system or option to "unbind" the daily rewards like the xp scrolls, crafting scrolls, potions and food. I would like to give them to my main account and for each of my characters.

FeedbackOnly · May 5

This is a joke?

Let us be happy with free stuff

vsrs_au · May 5

dragonlord500 wrote: »

... why complain at all about something that is truly free?

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

Man folks are tough to please. I like that zos has been giving us a wider variety of login rewards recently and I hope it continues, regardless of whether any individual reward perfectly satisfies my needs.

Where's the variety in having 1 type of daily login reward for 10 days of the month? For every one of these we get, other types of rewards are left out, and some people use them.

Danikat · May 5

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

I am in no way saying I agree or disagree with these laws, just saying that they are what they are (in the UK at least).

Interesting. Is this common in Europe or is it just a UK thing for now? I know in the US, MA is a suggestion to parents not a legally binding restriction.

I'm not sure about the rest of Europe, there's no reason laws like that would be the same across a whole continent, but it's not a new thing in the UK, it's worked that way for at least the last 20 years. (I'm not sure when it first came in, but it was in place when I first had a job.)

But the law is just that you can't supply age rated products to anyone under age and it's only enforced at the point of sale. Shop staff can be fined if they're caught selling games or movies to someone under age, or don't check ID when someone looks under age, but that's pretty much it.

When I worked in retail it was surprisingly common for parents to buy their kids games they weren't old enough for, because they thought the age rating was like the recommended ages on toys and if their kid was good at reading or whatever they imagined the criteria was it'd be fine, then they'd blame us when they found out it was inappropriate. One woman yelled at me because her son had nightmares from the horror game she bought him, and even after I explained it does say on the back it's rated 16+ for fear and violence she kept saying she thought he'd be ok with it because he's very good with computers.

moo_2021 · May 5

vsrs_au wrote: »

dragonlord500 wrote: »

... why complain at all about something that is truly free?

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

isn't grinding for all the sets and style pages also a form of gambling, of time? Better to remove them all

valenwood_vegan · May 5

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

Man folks are tough to please. I like that zos has been giving us a wider variety of login rewards recently and I hope it continues, regardless of whether any individual reward perfectly satisfies my needs.

vsrs_au wrote: »

Where's the variety in having 1 type of daily login reward for 10 days of the month? For every one of these we get, other types of rewards are left out, and some people use them.

I did not state that there is variety "during the ten days when we are getting crates." I stated that there has recently been a wider variety of rewards offered. Including a house, a DLC, pets, mounts, seals of endeavor, pvp currency, costumes, a memento, gold mats, exp scrolls, riding lessons... and many of the typical items too. Last month there weren't any crates. Anyway, I personally like the variety of rewards and hope that it continues and that they don't stop giving out certain ones because someone doesn't like them.

As for the crates for ten days, that is not the complaint raised by the OP, but ok if it were up to me, I might have given out 5x crates on two days instead. It wasn't up to me.

belial5221_ESO · May 5

Just login and not collect em?You might miss out on other rewards.What happens when ppl accidently hit the wrong button and wanted the boxes,and didn't get it,then there will be floods of tickets for accidents.Crates been availiable since Dec. 2016,and most people didn't really start complaining til past 2-3 years.You could make a point that crownstore should use ingame gold cause people without alot of money may use rent money for crowns,or for subs.Like the other person said,grinding is a gamble,and could make you want to waste time,and miss work/school/family cause of grind.You can't please everyone,sometimes ppl have to make a choice what's best for them.

vsrs_au · May 5

moo_2021 wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

dragonlord500 wrote: »

... why complain at all about something that is truly free?

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

isn't grinding for all the sets and style pages also a form of gambling, of time? Better to remove them all

No, they're not the same thing. When players buy crown crates, they're spending real life currency. This month's login rewards are encouraging players to do exactly that. Grinding for sets and style pages doesn't require any further spending of real life currency.

SeaGtGruff · May 5

Mesite wrote: »

I got a mount that gets struck by lightning when he rears up. It's really cool.

That sounds really cool!

I got a free camel, which was nice because my PC EU main is a Redguard who rides camels. I immediately made it my active mount, replacing the other free camel I recently purchased with either Seals of Endeavor or Crown Gems from converting the unwanted items from free Crown Crates. You can never have too many camels!

OtarTheMad · May 5

vsrs_au wrote: »

dragonlord500 wrote: »

... why complain at all about something that is truly free?

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

Well, yes and no. ZOS can’t control people, they are a business who tries to make money with subscriptions, DLC’s and crown store… all that is optional and out of devs control.

People have weight issues, me included, should restaurants stop doing deals and coupons all because people over eat? What about cities with lottery tickets and casinos? Subway near me has a buy one footlong get one free… there are people who can devour both in one sitting… should subway stop with the promotion?

ZOS can’t control people or force them to get help if they have a gambling issue and spend too much on crowns. Thats on the player sadly, just like my current weight issue is 100% on me… not Chipotle or McDonalds.

Gaebriel0410 · May 5

I don't get why people collect hundreds of unopened loot boxes as some kind of weird morality flex.

Like, why not just open the things just for the gems alone, and get something you like? Maybe a hairstyle or whatever, not everything is ugly apex stuff. Does it matter if it is not "earned"? You get some stuff whenever you purchase a chapter too.

I dislike loot boxes as much as the next player, but I doubt you'd become a hardcore gambling addict just from some free crates in a videogame, especially when you are already explicitly aware of it and thus, at least I assume, able to self regulate.

Nerouyn · May 5

Tandor wrote: »

I don't buy crates, but I don't have any issues with them being available for those who do buy them, and I've yet to see their critics coming up with alternative revenue sources if they were removed from the game as they would like.

That's not true at all.

If the game was better it would make more money and players have never been shy about giving that feedback.

Skyrim is still one of the most played games on the planet because it's fun plus the strength of the Elder Scrolls intellectual property.

ESO shouldn't have classes.

I understand that the developers are fans of games like DAoC but I reckon the single player Elder Scrolls games show us a racially diverse land of generally everyone getting along well most of the time, and when they aren't, the perpetrators of discord are villains.

ESO's Cyrodiil both jars with that and it's own main story. You're supposed to get to the end, know who's responsible for the war and just kind of "forget" and support their evil plans because..... "it's complicated". Or rather the developers super want you to participate in PvP.

Skill points in a game where they are limited requiring PvP is also bonkers because obviously not everyone likes it.

etc. etc. etc.

This game gets some things so amazingly right but the things it gets wrong, gut it.

Over the past 10 years I think it's been slowly improving and scribing has me returning but the great MMO development drought seems to be over. I'm seeing increased announcements for new MMOs in development.

ESO has kept me coming back for the Elder Scrolls IP and the things it gets right but competition in this space could become fierce in the coming years.

SeaGtGruff · May 5

Nerouyn wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I don't buy crates, but I don't have any issues with them being available for those who do buy them, and I've yet to see their critics coming up with alternative revenue sources if they were removed from the game as they would like.

That's not true at all.

If the game was better it would make more money and players have never been shy about giving that feedback.

Skyrim is still one of the most played games on the planet because it's fun plus the strength of the Elder Scrolls intellectual property.

ESO shouldn't have classes.

I understand that the developers are fans of games like DAoC but I reckon the single player Elder Scrolls games show us a racially diverse land of generally everyone getting along well most of the time, and when they aren't, the perpetrators of discord are villains.

ESO's Cyrodiil both jars with that and it's own main story. You're supposed to get to the end, know who's responsible for the war and just kind of "forget" and support their evil plans because..... "it's complicated". Or rather the developers super want you to participate in PvP.

Skill points in a game where they are limited requiring PvP is also bonkers because obviously not everyone likes it.

etc. etc. etc.

This game gets some things so amazingly right but the things it gets wrong, gut it.

Over the past 10 years I think it's been slowly improving and scribing has me returning but the great MMO development drought seems to be over. I'm seeing increased announcements for new MMOs in development.

ESO has kept me coming back for the Elder Scrolls IP and the things it gets right but competition in this space could become fierce in the coming years.

This discussion has gone off-topic, but there's nothing wrong with having classes in ESO, IMHO. Skyrim is the exception in that regard, not the rule. Nearly all TES games have classes in them.

Edit: To get back on-topic, I've opened many free Crown Crates in ESO, and have never purchased Crown Crates in the Crown Store-- with the sole exception of buying another player some Event Tickets and receiving some Crown Crates in return, which was sort of like buying Crown Crates.

code65536 · May 5

Gaebriel0410 wrote: »

I don't get why people collect hundreds of unopened loot boxes as some kind of weird morality flex.

This is actually my first time showing that off (aside from my close friends who know that I collect them for fun), and it was mostly to show the OP that ignoring them is (1) a good, viable option that (2) can be made into a fun minigame for yourself. I mean, it's not that different than hoarding trading cards that never leave their factory packaging.

Also, about every year or two, I'll go and open those crates on the PTS for my amusement (since what happens on the PTS stays on the PTS*).

* Usually.

FrancisCrawford · May 5

ZoS likes to give its players little gifts. Crates are among the best gifts it gives.

Grec1a · May 6

vsrs_au wrote: »

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

Does it, though? Many people on here are reporting the opposite: they've been put off buying crown crates because of the low drop rates of the free crates. Unless I've missed it, there is no post in this thread of anyone saying they overspent on crown crates because the free ones got them 'hooked'.

OldStygian · May 6

I like receiving crates so my preference is to keep them.

TaSheen · May 6

Grec1a wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

Does it, though? Many people on here are reporting the opposite: they've been put off buying crown crates because of the low drop rates of the free crates. Unless I've missed it, there is no post in this thread of anyone saying they overspent on crown crates because the free ones got them 'hooked'.

Right. I grew up in Vegas. I do not have a gambling complex.... or reflex.... or whatever. I know exactly who built the casinos.... and it wasn't me.

I've bought things from the crown store, but not crates. I love the freebie crates - but they do not prompt me to buy crates at all.

Dovahkiin02191973 · May 6

I like the crates. Got a full set of Armor today both a Crafting Motif and an outfit of the same Armor. Most of the time I just get potions or whatever and extract the gems. Some players have addictive personality issues and I am one of those and for me it works best just to avoid the situation or whatever it is but not request something be taken out of the game for everyone because I have an issue. Being that the crates are unavoidable the best bet is to ignore them. Collect them but don't open them. Whatever you need to do to avoid the gambling temptation of buying more crates.

twev · May 6

moo_2021 wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

dragonlord500 wrote: »

... why complain at all about something that is truly free?

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

isn't grinding for all the sets and style pages also a form of gambling, of time? Better to remove them all

Grinding doesn't generally cause some people with addictive personalities to max out their credit cards.

twev · May 6

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Mesite wrote: »

I got a mount that gets struck by lightning when he rears up. It's really cool.

That sounds really cool!
[snip]
You can never have too many camels!

In this thread we learn who never worked cleaning stables.

OtarTheMad · May 6

twev wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

dragonlord500 wrote: »

... why complain at all about something that is truly free?

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

isn't grinding for all the sets and style pages also a form of gambling, of time? Better to remove them all

Grinding doesn't generally cause some people with addictive personalities to max out their credit cards.

People who do this need help though. If they weren’t doing it on crown crates, they’d find something else to do it on.

Edit- ZOS shouldn’t alter anything based on the fact that addictive personalities might spend way too much on crowns. You can get addicted to anything, some of which is perfectly legal like: food, caffeine, nasal spray and so much more I won’t get into. People who get addicted need to seek help.

silky_soft · May 6

What's a crate cost in crowns? I'd rather that.

Uvi_AUT · May 6

notyuu wrote: »

Or you just take the free box, turn the junk inside into gems and use those to buy what you want when something actually shows up in the store that you want

Thats jus another Gotcha. After you Scrap everything you will not have enough Gems to buy anything. Which in turn will lead you to purchase Crates again.

OnTopic:
I subscribe to that too. I HATE Lootboxes. I dont want to see them in my Loginrewards. My country is on the verge of making them illegal anyway, so fingers crossed they will be gone soon.

VisitHammerfell · May 6

twev wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

dragonlord500 wrote: »

... why complain at all about something that is truly free?

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

isn't grinding for all the sets and style pages also a form of gambling, of time? Better to remove them all

Grinding doesn't generally cause some people with addictive personalities to max out their credit cards.

I take it you haven't heard of Genshin Impact? Diablo Immortal?

Malyore · May 6

vsrs_au wrote: »

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

Encourages whom? You? OP? The free crown crates hasn't encouraged me at all to buy more crates. As many others have said, it sounds like a "you problem" that folks need to work out themself. If you can't get a loot box of free digital cosmetics for a videogame character without thinking "Oh goodness I have GOT to spend money now to get more of these." then that's YOUR gambling behaviors encouraging you. A free daily reward is not a malicious trap to get people to spend a bunch of money.
In a setting of metaphor, if someone who runs an arcade regularly gives away free prizes every weekend to anyone in their building, I would not get handed a stuffed animal as a gift and then start blaming the arcade saying it's trying to lul me into spending my money on rigged games for yada yada. I'd just take the gift as a gift. That's all you gotta learn how to do with these bud.

Now if you'd like to talk about the crown store system as a whole, then that would be more understandable imo since the crux of the crown system is literally a gamble– luck of the draw. But from what I have seen the discussions are focused on the argument that the gifts are causing harm. If that is the case for you then that's leading into the realm of addiction, which is beyond the scope of these forums. If you suspect that is the case then, once again, it's on you to find some help for it.

tsaescishoeshiner · May 6

The guaranteed consumables in one box are worth more than the random consumables we get for these daily rewards anyway. Plus, you have the option to turn them into gems to get cosmetics you want.

I see 5 days of crates as much more valuable than 5 days of gold, AP, and some potions. Because you can still get those potions and food in the crates. But you have a guaranteed free tattoo or hat or something, with a small chance at something much better.

One crate a month? Not worth more than getting a new cosmetic each month. A couple? Definitely better than the little consumables/currency rewards.

I wouldn't describe worthwhile rewards from daily log-ins as "seducing the player" to log in lol, it's meant to be exciting and fun for people. I would be surprised if one crate a day for a few days was giving someone an unhealthy dopamine hit--if it is, that's on them.

You don't have to use the cosmetics you get, but asking them to remove a popular and frequently-requested daily reward idea because it feels unearned in some way isn't very fair to others. For example, I got an adornment that I'd always sorta wanted but didn't think was worth the gems. I'll use it on a character or two, and that's gonna make me happy.

Quackery · May 6

Wait, is this an "issue" people actually complain about? No one is forcing you or anyone else to login daily.

Thorncrypt · May 6

Lootboxes should not exist in a buy to play + subscription game like ESO.

barney2525 · May 6

These are Daily freebies handed out by the Company.

The " Earning Rewards for Achievements " does not even make sense. Comparing two completely different things.

If you don't want them, don't open them. No one is forcing anyone to USE the freebies.