Do you enjoy grinding for "extremely rare" style-pages, which are available for limited time?

shadyjane62 · April 11

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

No! and I will never grind for another lead as long as I have this game.

Mall0ry · April 11

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

I do not like grinding in general, does not matter what for. Decided to try the Vvardenfell motif just for an hour or so and got it with boss number 15 (i did not count, but it was not that many). I would love to have the one from Summerset, too, but it seems way more difficult to get loot from the geysir bosses (or is the motif in the shell which spawns in the end?)

majulook · April 11

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

With the way everything in this anniversary celebration is going I am surprised the items are not requiring crown store purchased event tickets to get.

virtus753 · April 11

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

Mall0ry wrote: »

I do not like grinding in general, does not matter what for. Decided to try the Vvardenfell motif just for an hour or so and got it with boss number 15 (i did not count, but it was not that many). I would love to have the one from Summerset, too, but it seems way more difficult to get loot from the geysir bosses (or is the motif in the shell which spawns in the end?)

It's in the shell trove, so all you need to do is tag some of the geyser population for the chance at the style page. The competition for boss loot means the grind can be far less rewarding than it should, though.

zenonuk · April 11

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

Not in the slightest, I have better things to do with than gamble with my time with a high probability of loosing.

Carcamongus · April 11

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

Sakiri wrote: »

I actually liked the farming. It gave me something to do. Then again, I'm old school MMOer, and not an instant gratification one.

Being frustrated after not getting a limited-time item from hundreds of dolmens or geysers automatically means the player wanted instant gratification?

FeedbackOnly · April 11

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

The reward should reflect the time put in.
Grinding 200+ world bosses in Vvardenfell for nothing in return is grossly unfair.
If ZOS wants to give those bad odds, they should make the motifs also available on sale from the Event store for 10 tickets.

Remember murkmire event

@moderatelyfatman

moo_2021 · April 11

There is no third choice.

Not interested since I haven't seen any previews and can't decide whether it's worthy. The game doesn't even tell me what those are, same with IA's racial styles.

For players who grind, are you actually going to wear them? Or just for collection?

Necrotech_Master · April 11

Yes, I enjoy the way this pages are obtained and want to see similar events in the future.

moo_2021 wrote: »

There is no third choice.

Not interested since I haven't seen any previews and can't decide whether it's worthy. The game doesn't even tell me what those are, same with IA's racial styles.

For players who grind, are you actually going to wear them? Or just for collection?

mostly collection lol, maybe use at some point, but mostly collection

to put it in perspective, theres a massive amount of styles already available for weapons, just looking at 1h swords for example, you got at minimum 120 just from motifs (some of which have multiple variants too like the base racial motifs), then theres another huge number of "one offs" that are part of weapon style packs (themed ones, or monster arms packs, or actual one offs like the trueflame)

we only have 20 character slots, even dual wielding all of them, front and back bar, with 4 different weapon styles would still not even be able to represent all of the motif styles, not even including arms packs or one-offs

so, if you have a theme that can use it great, if you dont then you have it collected at least if you wanted to use it later

Elvenheart · April 11

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

AndyMac wrote: »

Instead of something actually memorable for 10 years of ESO - we get this nonsense.

Not to be too harsh, but the people behind this need to ask themselves are they inherently "fun" enough people to be designing games??

I am thinking they are not.

This should have been the pinnacle of events, something so wonderful that would have had the active player base shouting praises of the game for all to hear, and showing the world how much ZOS valued the players. Instead, former players get to come to the forums and read all the different discussions from so many unhappy players about how it all played out. They passed up a priceless opportunity for positive word of mouth advertising.

HappyTheCamper · April 11

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

It honestly depends. But I’m such a huge lore nerd I have no reason to give any of my characters the style for the items dropping in this years event pages. (Specifically True Flame…like why the heck would I want my character walking around with that?! Shame because the ESO mode looks awesome too!)

CenturionExplorer · April 12

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

If you could earn the styles through clearly laid out goals it would have been a lot less horrible.
Standing around a WB for 30 in-game hours or running in circles a couple of hundred times isn't my definition of the peak ESO experience (or maybe it is)

I have gotten everything except mannimarcos staff. But i don't want it so i consider my grind to be at the end now.
And i still run geysers and do WB because of boxes. Those are motivation enough for me, but now i can do them without any kind of time limit hovering above my head.
The horrible thing about the RNG system is you gotta farm from day one, considering if you don't you might not even be able to get it if you start your grind late, because of the randomness.
If there were clear goals like (complete Maelstrom Arena 5 times on veteran) or something, we could plan our time around that.

But with RNG you don't know if you'll be grinding for days or hours or minutes.

Desiato · April 12

Yes, I enjoy the way this pages are obtained and want to see similar events in the future.

virtus753 wrote: »

It's in the shell trove, so all you need to do is tag some of the geyser population for the chance at the style page. The competition for boss loot means the grind can be far less rewarding than it should, though.

Playing ungrouped with a spc/willpower build from 2017 and weaving swallow soul (!), I get boss loot 99% of the time. I'm old and slow. If If I can do it.....

Destai · April 12

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

I don’t, which is why I largely avoid doing the grinding myself. I focus on what I enjoy.

Sakiri · April 12

Yes, I enjoy the way this pages are obtained and want to see similar events in the future.

SxFurey wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

I actually liked the farming. It gave me something to do. Then again, I'm old school MMOer, and not an instant gratification one.

Not everyone has the luxury to play 8 9 10hrs a day, 7days a week. People have jobs, family, etc. Do you assume that those who don't have such luxury of time to farm the rare style pages, are 'instant gratification' ones?

No, not necessarily, but there's plenty of them around. I have family, I have stuff I need to do. I make time for farming.

I find it relaxing. It's not their fault you're having bad luck. Sure, it'd suck less if the drop rate were higher. But even then, some of you wouldn't get it still.

Sakiri · April 12

Yes, I enjoy the way this pages are obtained and want to see similar events in the future.

Carcamongus wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

I actually liked the farming. It gave me something to do. Then again, I'm old school MMOer, and not an instant gratification one.

Being frustrated after not getting a limited-time item from hundreds of dolmens or geysers automatically means the player wanted instant gratification?

People in zone chat whinging about not having it in a couple of hours does.

Some of yall never played another game that wasn't a single player rpg and it shows.

SxFurey · April 12

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

Desiato wrote: »

You may not enjoy the grind, but I think most will enjoy having the item more knowing that it's rare and because it probably took some effort to get.

How does someone enjoy something that frustrates them to no end to get, despite their efforts to ride from geyser to geyser or worse, to out-DPS many others just to be able to loot a WB and praying for RNG?

SxFurey · April 12

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

Sakiri wrote: »

People in zone chat whinging about not having it in a couple of hours does.

Some of yall never played another game that wasn't a single player rpg and it shows.

I just got the final RNG style page after solo camping a Vvar WB.

By the way, nice attempt to minimize, or at worse, invalidate what others feel about the real problems with this uninspiring event and it shows.

fizzylu · April 12

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

Sakiri wrote: »

People in zone chat whinging about not having it in a couple of hours does.

Some of yall never played another game that wasn't a single player rpg and it shows.

I feel like this is going to happen when someone has been at it for hours and then another person gets it on their second try (real example using myself and my friend).
I don't think anyone has an issue putting time into stuff, otherwise they would have never been playing an MMORPG to begin with. The problem is that there is no way to ensure that you'll get the thing no matter how much time you put into it, meanwhile others with the power of RNG on their side are getting it right away. Like I'm sorry.... it makes no sense to me that anyone could be aware that some people have done hundreds of dolmens and/or geysers and have yet to get a drop, but not see an issue with that in regards to stuff that's supposed to be for a limited time celebratory event.... no matter how "old-school" one may be.

MidniteOwl1913 · April 12

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

fizzylu wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

People in zone chat whinging about not having it in a couple of hours does.

Some of yall never played another game that wasn't a single player rpg and it shows.

I feel like this is going to happen when someone has been at it for hours and then another person gets it on their second try (real example using myself and my friend).
I don't think anyone has an issue putting time into stuff, otherwise they would have never been playing an MMORPG to begin with. The problem is that there is no way to ensure that you'll get the thing no matter how much time you put into it, meanwhile others with the power of RNG on their side are getting it right away. Like I'm sorry.... it makes no sense to me that anyone could be aware that some people have done hundreds of dolmens and/or geysers and have yet to get a drop, but not see an issue with that in regards to stuff that's supposed to be for a limited time celebratory event.... no matter how "old-school" one may be.

Yes, the "it's not a problem for me so it's not a problem for you" assertions never made sense to me. Projecting your beliefs onto someone else's experience seems so oddly self-centered.

barney2525 · April 13

I don't know if 'enjoy' is the right phrase.

But being required to do entire DLC main quests for a mount is not much fun either.

DreamyLu · April 13

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

Main rule for me in ESO: Fun only! So, no matter the item, I prefer to give up on it rather than grinding.

Sakiri · April 13

Yes, I enjoy the way this pages are obtained and want to see similar events in the future.

SxFurey wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

You may not enjoy the grind, but I think most will enjoy having the item more knowing that it's rare and because it probably took some effort to get.

How does someone enjoy something that frustrates them to no end to get, despite their efforts to ride from geyser to geyser or worse, to out-DPS many others just to be able to loot a WB and praying for RNG?

Not everyone gets frustrated to no end over it.

I didn't.

And did anyone consider that just maybe it's intended? Community will never be happy. Just recently people complained about the change in drop rate for a previously incredibly rare item. Too common too uncommon. Yeah, there probably should have been a ramping bad luck protection on it, but there's not. Some people will grind the entire event and still not get any of them. Just how things are.

I've been playing these games for over 20 years, the drop rate on these is nothing compared to the old days.

fizzylu · April 13

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

Sakiri wrote: »

And did anyone consider that just maybe it's intended? Community will never be happy. Just recently people complained about the change in drop rate for a previously incredibly rare item. Too common too uncommon. Yeah, there probably should have been a ramping bad luck protection on it, but there's not. Some people will grind the entire event and still not get any of them. Just how things are.

I think people are aware that it's intended, but Zenimax is creating a product. A product that is then sold to it's current and potential players.... and if the players aren't happy with what they're giving money to, they have every right to voice their discontentment and desire for change.
Expecting everyone to just quietly accept what Zenimax chooses to do with this game is wild. Yes, it's their product.... but it's a product made for an audience, not just to indulge in their own self-gratification. And I think we can all see that they've been doing that enough lately with the live streams and all these articles they had put out about how great the game is because of how much money it made so other gamers should keep it in mind (I mean, seriously.... what nonsense). "It's not just a MMO, it's a virtual world" or whatever. Please.
And considering how many players seem to be moving to other games over the course of this event and even the last few years.... well, I just hope you keep that same energy once and if you also finally get to your own "last straw" with this game.

SeaGtGruff · April 13

We're now about halfway through the event and I've found only the page from fishing. That's probably the one I care about the most, since my primary main uses sword-and-board on his back bar.

I'd like to collect the other pages if I can, but I'm not willing to grind more than a little bit for each of them. My plan was to do the dolmen grind first, then Summerset geysers, then Vvardenfell world bosses-- just because that's the order they were listed in the event announcement. Yes, that's a silly reason, but it's turning out to be easier to grind dolmens for a bit in one of the less-popular zones for dolmens, because right now all the players melting everything at Summerset geysers and Vvardenfell world bosses are just too difficult to compete against for drop privileges. Hopefully the crowds will gradually taper off as the event gets closer to its end.

And if I don't collect the remaining style pages, I'm not going to be upset about it, especially since I don't even use the Outfit system right now! I try to collect event-related style pages if I can, in case I do start using outfits someday, but it's mainly out of a desire for completionism. And there are so many Crown Store items I haven't bought over the years that I'll never be able to have a complete collection of everything there is to be had in the game, anyway, so it's better for me to focus on just the few specific types of things I'm most interested in being a completionist about-- and outfit style pages aren't on that list.

XSTRONG · April 13

Yes, I enjoy the way this pages are obtained and want to see similar events in the future.

Quackery wrote: »

I wish I could buy them in crown store; grinding is insanely boring. Would be great if they put the style pages in crown store in the last few days of event. I feel like [snip] myself in the head every time I go to another geyser. I've simply given up at this point; NOTHING is worth reaching the point where you start to hate the game because of ZOS's bizarre logic around drop rate.

[edited for profanity bypass]

Wow so instead for earning these rare style pages in game you want to buy them in crownstore?

Whats the fun part in that? I rather say killing a wb 50 times is more fun then crownstore.

Ingenon · April 13

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

I'm not planning on spending hours farming these style page. People have explained how RNG works - a small number of folks will get the style page in just a few tries, the median will be whatever ZOS programmed (say half the people have gotten the style page in by 50 tries), while a small number of folks will not get the style page even after over 100 tries. Congrats to the folks who have gotten the style pages! I'm not interested.

Taggund · April 13

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

3 of the 5 obtained, but I am done with it at this point. 9+ hours on dolmens and a couple hours after first drop on WB's trying to get the second , and I have no further interest. I even have 2 more alts to level fighters guild on, but it will be a long while before I run dolmens again.

Adaarye · April 14

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

Destai wrote: »

Once I start seeing there's a grind, I no longer participate in those activities. It definitely dampens the mood of the anniversary activities.

Since the first High Isle event, the limited-time style pages have been a very rare drop. I think it's to prevent flooding the market with pages, but it's made their acquisition quite frustrating. People have been saying the drop rates need to be improved, and it hasn't happened AFAIK. It's irritating they've not acted on our feedback since then, provided it's even been seen, and even made a change to make them bound. @ZOS_Kevin what's up with that?

These style pages are character bound and cannot be put up for sale.

MidniteOwl1913 · April 14

No, I don't enjoy how these pages are obtained. Don't do that again.

I won't buy them even if they become available in the crown store. That's just too close to bait and switch for me.