Anyone else miss the old days of crown gifting?

Cameron991

All I got to say is ever since they changed the gifting system the crown store hasn’t been the same. I remember being so excited to get all the new crates and cosmetics but ever since the gifting has been changed it hasn’t been the same and you can no longer find any crown seller, well that sell for a decent price. It used to be so fun opening crates but now all my gold would go to the seller for just 5k crowns. I just miss when gifting was an easy thing to do and now I feel they are losing out on a lot of people who would buy crowns to sell them

Nihilr

So you want the level of gifting to return, that allowed fraud and ToS-breaking gold exchanges? Because that's what you're asking.

Fischblut

For me personally, gifting was gone in 2021 - soon after Seals of Endeavors were introduced The gold/crown ratio started growing fast for some reason, from normal 400:1 to rather high 600:1 , and then to some totally absurd amounts like 3000:1

Last time I purchased two or three crate packs at 600 gold per crown years ago, and decided that was too high rate to continue. My gold is too valuable for me to throw it away like that, because I have to subscribe and do crafting writs (activity which I really don't like) every day to earn it! It's much better to just buy my own crowns and spend them carefully. Thanks to this, I've been barely doing crafting writs on more than 1 character all these years - except for some events like now

I still hope that one day developers will introduce official gold/crown exchange system, with sane rates (like in GW2)

Alastrine

Nihilr wrote: »

So you want the level of gifting to return, that allowed fraud and ToS-breaking gold exchanges? Because that's what you're asking.

Not everyone was involved in those activities, and I think far more honest people are being denied gifting. Those that will scam will always find a way no matter what, but instead now good people are being left out and it will cost them money. The illegal gold exchanges have been around since the game started.

Not sure how it can be set up properly, or if there is some way to always verify that any items being gifted were bought originally with crowns only purchased through the crown store or not but there should be a way.

As to players who were scammed by giving gold to others who in the end didn't send the gift that was bought.. well, all I can say to that is that buyer beware. Don't want to be scammed then buy your own crowns with money from the crown store. If you can't afford the real cash part and want to use ingame gold then you are taking your own chances and neither Zenimax or all the honest players are to blame for your choice. If people stopped buying crown gifting with ingame gold then it would disappear.

As to the issue of 'bad actors' acquiring 'large amounts of crowns' bought with real life cash on out of game exchanges (as I've heard).... to be honest, that is not the problem of all the honest players, and I fail to see why it isn't easily verifiable as to where/how someone got large amounts of crowns sitting on their account.

I know Zenimax has said their intention is not to insult the honest players but in the end that is certainly what it feels like. Everyone is being painted with the same brush, and denying players who may have more than one account and have crowns sitting on a 'spare' account that they bought legitimately, and verifiably and yet cannot use them to benefit their other account - sorry, that still sits with me as being wrong.

If someone requests the right to gift items using crowns from one of their accounts to another of their own accounts, that should be allowed. Verify where and how the crowns were bought - even make it so there is an exclusionary list as to what accounts anything can be gifted between - that would work.

Make it so accounts owned by the same person are linked and gifting can only be done within that group. It would not answer everyones issues but I bet it would solve it for a majority of the players being denied that shouldn't be that have crowns trapped on an alt or secondary account.

FlopsyPrince

Nihilr wrote: »

So you want the level of gifting to return, that allowed fraud and ToS-breaking gold exchanges? Because that's what you're asking.

I am pretty sure someplace like the Discord - World Crown Exchange (or whatever the exact name) didn't break the TOS.

FlopsyPrince

Fischblut wrote: »

For me personally, gifting was gone in 2021 - soon after Seals of Endeavors were introduced The gold/crown ratio started growing fast for some reason, from normal 400:1 to rather high 600:1 , and then to some totally absurd amounts like 3000:1

Last time I purchased two or three crate packs at 600 gold per crown years ago, and decided that was too high rate to continue. My gold is too valuable for me to throw it away like that, because I have to subscribe and do crafting writs (activity which I really don't like) every day to earn it! It's much better to just buy my own crowns and spend them carefully. Thanks to this, I've been barely doing crafting writs on more than 1 character all these years - except for some events like now

I still hope that one day developers will introduce official gold/crown exchange system, with sane rates (like in GW2)

Keep in mind that some of us also see low gold prices for Crowns as not worthwhile. I never sold my own Crowns on the PS4 (now PS5) since the price was so low. I have done so on PC in the past (prior to all the hoopla) and got a nice gold buffer (so I can fully "play as I want") with it because the price per Crown in gold was much higher. Both I and those I worked with (only a few) were quite happy.

Keep in mind that what you see as too expensive in gold may be too cheap for those of us buying our own Crowns (and being willing to sell some for gold).

chessalavakia_ESO

Nihilr wrote: »

So you want the level of gifting to return, that allowed fraud and ToS-breaking gold exchanges? Because that's what you're asking.

The current system cuts down on people fraudulently obtaining Crowns and selling them to players.

It also increases the odds of players getting scammed when buying Crowns and for players choosing to buy gold from illegal sellers as the number of people that can trade Crowns is down.

FlopsyPrince

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Nihilr wrote: »

So you want the level of gifting to return, that allowed fraud and ToS-breaking gold exchanges? Because that's what you're asking.

The current system cuts down on people fraudulently obtaining Crowns and selling them to players.

It also increases the odds of players getting scammed when buying Crowns and for players choosing to buy gold from illegal sellers as the number of people that can trade Crowns is down.

What are the current limits? If someone gives me gold for something and I send them the item I got on the Crown store is it all good?

I would assume it is if I can gift things from the Crown store, but I would hate to get a ban because I did what I was seemingly allowed to do.

mikejezz

Nihilr wrote: »

So you want the level of gifting to return, that allowed fraud and ToS-breaking gold exchanges? Because that's what you're asking.

I want eso to make a system, where you could trade directly, in a sense like a trading window where buyer puts gold and seller puts crowns, and both press lock before both people accept.

Scamming would totally stop.

And for some reason zos won't do something simple as this.

If I got scammed from someone who just stole my gold, would I be screwed or would zos actually do something about it?

Alastrine

mikejezz wrote: »

If I got scammed from someone who just stole my gold, would I be screwed or would zos actually do something about it?

ZoS has made it clear that it is a 'buyer/seller beware' situation.
Since they don't control it then it is simply a risk you choose to take.

I have heard of a few stories of them helping people that were scammed... but I have heard far more stories where they were just told 'sorry, nope nothing we can do'.

It's your decision to take that risk or not - it's a player-driven activity, not a ZoS one.

ClowdyAllDay

Nope. My money is happy being spent elsewhere

mikejezz

Alastrine wrote: »

mikejezz wrote: »

If I got scammed from someone who just stole my gold, would I be screwed or would zos actually do something about it?

ZoS has made it clear that it is a 'buyer/seller beware' situation.
Since they don't control it then it is simply a risk you choose to take.

I have heard of a few stories of them helping people that were scammed... but I have heard far more stories where they were just told 'sorry, nope nothing we can do'.

It's your decision to take that risk or not - it's a player-driven activity, not a ZoS one.

Check my post here.

mikejezz wrote: »

Nihilr wrote: »

So you want the level of gifting to return, that allowed fraud and ToS-breaking gold exchanges? Because that's what you're asking.

I want eso to make a system, where you could trade directly, in a sense like a trading window where buyer puts gold and seller puts crowns, and both press lock before both people accept.

Scamming would totally stop.

And for some reason zos won't do something simple as this.

If I got scammed from someone who just stole my gold, would I be screwed or would zos actually do something about it?

[snip]
[edited for bashing]

FlopsyPrince

mikejezz wrote: »

Alastrine wrote: »

mikejezz wrote: »

If I got scammed from someone who just stole my gold, would I be screwed or would zos actually do something about it?

ZoS has made it clear that it is a 'buyer/seller beware' situation.
Since they don't control it then it is simply a risk you choose to take.

I have heard of a few stories of them helping people that were scammed... but I have heard far more stories where they were just told 'sorry, nope nothing we can do'.

It's your decision to take that risk or not - it's a player-driven activity, not a ZoS one.

Check my post here.

mikejezz wrote: »

Nihilr wrote: »

So you want the level of gifting to return, that allowed fraud and ToS-breaking gold exchanges? Because that's what you're asking.

I want eso to make a system, where you could trade directly, in a sense like a trading window where buyer puts gold and seller puts crowns, and both press lock before both people accept.

Scamming would totally stop.

And for some reason zos won't do something simple as this.

If I got scammed from someone who just stole my gold, would I be screwed or would zos actually do something about it?

[snip]
[edited for bashing]

That wouldn't exactly work since now you don't really sell Crowns. Instead you sell the item you buy with Crowns and gift to the target. That would be more complicated.

mikejezz

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

mikejezz wrote: »

Alastrine wrote: »

mikejezz wrote: »

If I got scammed from someone who just stole my gold, would I be screwed or would zos actually do something about it?

ZoS has made it clear that it is a 'buyer/seller beware' situation.
Since they don't control it then it is simply a risk you choose to take.

I have heard of a few stories of them helping people that were scammed... but I have heard far more stories where they were just told 'sorry, nope nothing we can do'.

It's your decision to take that risk or not - it's a player-driven activity, not a ZoS one.

Check my post here.

mikejezz wrote: »

Nihilr wrote: »

So you want the level of gifting to return, that allowed fraud and ToS-breaking gold exchanges? Because that's what you're asking.

I want eso to make a system, where you could trade directly, in a sense like a trading window where buyer puts gold and seller puts crowns, and both press lock before both people accept.

Scamming would totally stop.

And for some reason zos won't do something simple as this.

If I got scammed from someone who just stole my gold, would I be screwed or would zos actually do something about it?

[snip]
[edited for bashing]

That wouldn't exactly work since now you don't really sell Crowns. Instead you sell the item you buy with Crowns and gift to the target. That would be more complicated.

Can't see why it wouldn't.

CrazyKitty

I miss the old crown/gold exchange rates. But that was probably the original goal of creating the new gifting requirements in the first place.

FlopsyPrince

CrazyKitty wrote: »

I miss the old crown/gold exchange rates. But that was probably the original goal of creating the new gifting requirements in the first place.

The rates seem about the same now. Horrid on the PS5, still reasonable on the PC. (From a this seller's point of view at least.)

Sakiri

It was costing ZOS money and risking their ability to use mastercard and visa payment processors through credit card chargebacks too.
Payment processors HATE chargebacks.

FlopsyPrince

What changed?

Lydawobbles

Your problem isn’t the crown gifting it’s your gold inflation. crowns are 150-200per on PlayStation NA.

ProudMary

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

CrazyKitty wrote: »

I miss the old crown/gold exchange rates. But that was probably the original goal of creating the new gifting requirements in the first place.

The rates seem about the same now. Horrid on the PS5, still reasonable on the PC. (From a this seller's point of view at least.)

Two years ago I could buy crowns at 200-300/1. Now it's 2000-3000/1 on PC.

Kartalin

To avoid getting scammed there may be a brokerage service available on your platform. On PC/NA I've used Tamriel Crown Exchange to do this (as far as I know it's all organized via a discord server). Essentially they operate as a trusted third party who holds the gold from the buyer and when the seller gifts the requested item they transfer the gold to the crown seller. All three parties meet at a location in game and perform the transactions. They currently offer 2500:1 as the exchange rate and I've had nothing but good experiences with them.

Araneae6537

Fischblut wrote: »

For me personally, gifting was gone in 2021 - soon after Seals of Endeavors were introduced The gold/crown ratio started growing fast for some reason, from normal 400:1 to rather high 600:1 , and then to some totally absurd amounts like 3000:1

Last time I purchased two or three crate packs at 600 gold per crown years ago, and decided that was too high rate to continue. My gold is too valuable for me to throw it away like that, because I have to subscribe and do crafting writs (activity which I really don't like) every day to earn it! It's much better to just buy my own crowns and spend them carefully. Thanks to this, I've been barely doing crafting writs on more than 1 character all these years - except for some events like now

I still hope that one day developers will introduce official gold/crown exchange system, with sane rates (like in GW2)

The GW2 system is entirely based on supply and demand (with the game taking a cut). Gold is much harder to make in GW2 compared to ESO. Whether the gold price per Crown would go up or down would depend on how many more buyers and sellers — everyone might be able to sell (unless this would reintroduce the fraud problem) and people previously uncomfortable with the current process might wish to buy. I would be surprised if the price went down…

FlopsyPrince

What changed?

ProudMary wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

CrazyKitty wrote: »

I miss the old crown/gold exchange rates. But that was probably the original goal of creating the new gifting requirements in the first place.

The rates seem about the same now. Horrid on the PS5, still reasonable on the PC. (From a this seller's point of view at least.)

Two years ago I could buy crowns at 200-300/1. Now it's 2000-3000/1 on PC.

It wasn't that low when I sold them on the PC in about that same time frame. I would not have sold them if it had been. It was worth it (for me) at 2000x1, but not 200x1.

I know you are off or hit at a major price low because that would have been about the time I sold crowns to get my 50 mil or so gold buffer on both PC realms.

FlopsyPrince

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Fischblut wrote: »

For me personally, gifting was gone in 2021 - soon after Seals of Endeavors were introduced The gold/crown ratio started growing fast for some reason, from normal 400:1 to rather high 600:1 , and then to some totally absurd amounts like 3000:1

Last time I purchased two or three crate packs at 600 gold per crown years ago, and decided that was too high rate to continue. My gold is too valuable for me to throw it away like that, because I have to subscribe and do crafting writs (activity which I really don't like) every day to earn it! It's much better to just buy my own crowns and spend them carefully. Thanks to this, I've been barely doing crafting writs on more than 1 character all these years - except for some events like now

I still hope that one day developers will introduce official gold/crown exchange system, with sane rates (like in GW2)

The GW2 system is entirely based on supply and demand (with the game taking a cut). Gold is much harder to make in GW2 compared to ESO. Whether the gold price per Crown would go up or down would depend on how many more buyers and sellers — everyone might be able to sell (unless this would reintroduce the fraud problem) and people previously uncomfortable with the current process might wish to buy. I would be surprised if the price went down…

It is simply not worth using Crowns for gold for many of us at such a low price. I am amazed that anyone sells at that low a ratio on console.

I would simply grind a bunch of crafting dailies (I have 60 characters across 4 servers, PC and PS5). Though that is tedious as well and I think I have done my push for even this event. A 1-3 mil gold backlog is enough.

mikejezz

Kartalin wrote: »

To avoid getting scammed there may be a brokerage service available on your platform. On PC/NA I've used Tamriel Crown Exchange to do this (as far as I know it's all organized via a discord server). Essentially they operate as a trusted third party who holds the gold from the buyer and when the seller gifts the requested item they transfer the gold to the crown seller. All three parties meet at a location in game and perform the transactions. They currently offer 2500:1 as the exchange rate and I've had nothing but good experiences with them.

Tamriel Crown Exchange is US only.

On EU it costs 3300:1 on discord crown network, which seems to be the only eu network with fixed price.

vsrs_au

I used the World Crown Exchange on Discord twice to do a crown/gold transaction, and it works well enough. That was a few years ago.

FlopsyPrince

vsrs_au wrote: »

I used the World Crown Exchange on Discord twice to do a crown/gold transaction, and it works well enough. That was a few years ago.

I just sold a few on PC-EU for 3500:1 IIRC. It worked fine for both of us.

ClowdyAllDay

Lydawobbles wrote: »

Your problem isn’t the crown gifting it’s your gold inflation. crowns are 150-200per on PlayStation NA.

pc master race is greedy on crowns 3k+

ClowdyAllDay

mikejezz wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

To avoid getting scammed there may be a brokerage service available on your platform. On PC/NA I've used Tamriel Crown Exchange to do this (as far as I know it's all organized via a discord server). Essentially they operate as a trusted third party who holds the gold from the buyer and when the seller gifts the requested item they transfer the gold to the crown seller. All three parties meet at a location in game and perform the transactions. They currently offer 2500:1 as the exchange rate and I've had nothing but good experiences with them.

Tamriel Crown Exchange is US only.

On EU it costs 3300:1 on discord crown network, which seems to be the only eu network with fixed price.

if the justification for the outrageous prices is the risk of being taken, and the discord crown exchange eliminates that risk, then what is the justification for the continued crazy prices. if play station sells them for 150-200 gold each and they have the risk, then how can discord crown exchange charge more than that when they are eliminating the risk?

Araneae6537

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

mikejezz wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

To avoid getting scammed there may be a brokerage service available on your platform. On PC/NA I've used Tamriel Crown Exchange to do this (as far as I know it's all organized via a discord server). Essentially they operate as a trusted third party who holds the gold from the buyer and when the seller gifts the requested item they transfer the gold to the crown seller. All three parties meet at a location in game and perform the transactions. They currently offer 2500:1 as the exchange rate and I've had nothing but good experiences with them.

Tamriel Crown Exchange is US only.

On EU it costs 3300:1 on discord crown network, which seems to be the only eu network with fixed price.

if the justification for the outrageous prices is the risk of being taken, and the discord crown exchange eliminates that risk, then what is the justification for the continued crazy prices. if play station sells them for 150-200 gold each and they have the risk, then how can discord crown exchange charge more than that when they are eliminating the risk?

Gold is not worth nearly as much on PC. No one would sell them for so little now. On PC NA 2000:1 seems to be the going rate (this was definitely contributed to by not everyone being able to gift, which I’m not saying is a bad thing since fraud needed to be stopped, but of course it reduces the supply).

However, another point on the difficulty of getting gifting enabled, it is often newer players who want to sell Crowns. Certainly I did when I started and wanted houses, furnishings, fashion, when I had not yet the knowledge and assets to acquire gold but slowly.

Think of what you can buy with your gold as versus what you can buy with Crowns and the relative time or expense to acquire them — what price would you part with Crowns for? I almost never sell Crowns because it is kore valuable to me to have a stash for when something I want comes out. Last time I sold was a small amount for 2500:1 because it was to help a guildmate and at the number and rate offered, I didn’t feel like I was taking a loss.

FlopsyPrince

ClowdyAllDay wrote: »

Lydawobbles wrote: »

Your problem isn’t the crown gifting it’s your gold inflation. crowns are 150-200per on PlayStation NA.

pc master race is greedy on crowns 3k+

Why is that greedy? It is simply not worth selling cheaper. Or are you greedy for my Crowns bought with real money?