Do you consider normal Trials to be endgame content?

Varana

Normal trials are not endgame content

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Czeri wrote: »

Heh, the split is pretty obvious:

- people who run trials - normal trials are NOT endgame!
- people who don't run trials - trials are absolutely endgame!

Getting 12 people together only got easy recently thanks to the group finder. Before then you had to join a guild, and sign-up for a trial, or stand around Craglorn hoping a pug would form in the chat for the trial you wanted...

That is the problem.

Endgame to some is only "stuff they must struggle with" while everything else is "easy" no matter how challenging it is or may seem to be to others.

The problem being "seem to be".
Maybe some people are still living in 90s WoW times when you had to get a hundred people to play for twelve hours every week, so as soon as they hear "raid" they get PTSD flashbacks. Maybe some just don't like people in general (which is understandable but not the point) and so get anxiety when they hear "group content". Maybe some people have just settled into their comfortable routine and aren't interested in doing anything outside their comfort zone. Maybe some got into a Craglorn PUG once and it was a total ****show.
The common denominator being that all of them don't really know much about the actual trials and their differences, and so come to their conclusion by looking at the thing from far away. Which is maybe not the best ground for a decision one way or the other, but whatever.
(And then, maybe some people open polls to simply want to win an internet argument.)

SilverBride

Normal trials are endgame content

Varana wrote: »

(And then, maybe some people open polls to simply want to win an internet argument.)

If that had been my goal then I failed badly. But it wasn't... it was to open a discussion and get everyone's feedback, which it did.

El_Borracho

Normal trials are not endgame content

They are there to prepare you for endgame content

VisitHammerfell

Normal trials are not endgame content

No, I don't. I consider them more 'training' for end game aka vet and HM content. I've solo tanked nSS at level 29, and also tanked nSE at level 28 in an entire raid team of baby toons, some below level 10, and these runs were not compromised of sweaties, just regular trialdoers. I would also say you aren't truly an endgamer if you haven't done at least 2-3 DLC HMs.

MorganaBlue

Normal trials are not endgame content

Through reading all the feedback it became evident that there is no clear answer.

that's a very strange conclusion considering a whopping 76% of those who voted on your poll do not think normal trials are endgame content.

edited for spelling, and to add that considering the amount of votes in one direction, there aren't a whole lot of ambiguous replies in these 9 pages, so I don't understand your "no clear answer" logic, but whatever.
It's just bothersome to me to see people's feedback invalidated and discarded by a "no clear answer" mantra, when a wide majority has expressed an opinion and taken the time to explain their logic.

SilverBride

Normal trials are endgame content

MorganaBlue wrote: »

Through reading all the feedback it became evident that there is no clear answer.

that's a very strange conclusion considering a whopping 76% of those who voted on your poll do not thik normal trials are endgame content. I really wonder if you'd keep insisting that there's no clear answer had it swung the other way, tbh.

Actually I would have. I'm not basing this conclusion on how many think which way, because more players having one opinion than another does not make it a fact. There are two different definitions being given for what endgame is, but no official definition anywhere, so how do we determine which is correct?

sarahthes

Normal trials are not endgame content

SilverBride wrote: »

MorganaBlue wrote: »

Through reading all the feedback it became evident that there is no clear answer.

that's a very strange conclusion considering a whopping 76% of those who voted on your poll do not thik normal trials are endgame content. I really wonder if you'd keep insisting that there's no clear answer had it swung the other way, tbh.

Actually I would have. I'm not basing this conclusion on how many think which way, because more players having one opinion than another does not make it a fact. There are two different definitions being given for what endgame is, but no official definition anywhere, so how do we determine which is correct?

Generally for something like this, where lives don't hang in the balance, community consensus would be enough. And with 76% of people agreeing, that's a pretty clear consensus.

MorganaBlue

Normal trials are not endgame content

SilverBride wrote: »

MorganaBlue wrote: »

Through reading all the feedback it became evident that there is no clear answer.

that's a very strange conclusion considering a whopping 76% of those who voted on your poll do not thik normal trials are endgame content. I really wonder if you'd keep insisting that there's no clear answer had it swung the other way, tbh.

Actually I would have. I'm not basing this conclusion on how many think which way, because more players having one opinion than another does not make it a fact. There are two different definitions being given for what endgame is, but no official definition anywhere, so how do we determine which is correct?

I see we're just going to go around in circles here, so I'll remove myself from the discussion, and thanks for the replies..

Necrotech_Master

SilverBride wrote: »

MorganaBlue wrote: »

Through reading all the feedback it became evident that there is no clear answer.

that's a very strange conclusion considering a whopping 76% of those who voted on your poll do not thik normal trials are endgame content. I really wonder if you'd keep insisting that there's no clear answer had it swung the other way, tbh.

Actually I would have. I'm not basing this conclusion on how many think which way, because more players having one opinion than another does not make it a fact. There are two different definitions being given for what endgame is, but no official definition anywhere, so how do we determine which is correct?

i dont think there is ever going to be a "correct" answer because its way too subjective

as someone else earlier in the thread said, for people who are real casuals who rarely if ever group outside of normal group dungeons, even normal trials could be considered endgame

others are trying to read it more objectively on a scale of difficulty/level of effort, where in that case normal difficulty trials are easier than some DLC group dungeons on vet hard mode, even though its a different group size