Please Cancel MYM Whitestrake's 2024

StihlReign · February 17

In the game's current state MYM should be cancelled. The PvP experience has deteriorated to a state where it can take 10 minutes or more to get out of combat.

Repeated forced suicide is the only real option to continue playing after an encounter since we're often stuck in combat.

Friendly player heals prompt stuck in combat as well, so even if you die, and rez at the wayshrine, you should expect to enter combat if a healer is present and throwing around abilities.

Since you can't mount during this state, you should expect gameplay will be slow, grouping will be frustrating, and the flow of fighting will be erratic and tiresome as you wait for the game to release.

Buffs can also be affected by this state - stuck in combat is often paired with a nasty cocktail of other unresolved bugs and errors - see 49710.

This is the worst I've seen the SIC bug in years, and with no formal comment from the devs, we should expect it to continue unabated until either the skill, or the will to resolve the issue presents itself.

auracite · February 17

normal

LadyLavina · February 17

No. Absolutely not.

I say that with respect.

Better to urge them to work on it/patch it between now and then, than to just wildly post about cancelling it entirely.

SandandStars · February 18

Magic 8 Ball says: Outlook not so good.

spartaxoxo · February 18

The performance seems better during MYM events anyway

ComboBreaker88 · February 18

Simply allow mounting while in combat...

RetPing · February 18

My advice, accept ESO PvP for how it is (because it will never get better) or move to a different game.
It will save you a lot of frustration.

Sarannah · February 18

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

RetPing · February 18

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

A lot of people want to pvp.
No one is asking you to came, you could just avoid the only two event that are about pvp.

LunaFlora · February 18

no thanks

Aurielle · February 18

StihlReign wrote: »

In the game's current state MYM should be cancelled. The PvP experience has deteriorated to a state where it can take 10 minutes or more to get out of combat.

Repeated forced suicide is the only real option to continue playing after an encounter since we're often stuck in combat.

Friendly player heals prompt stuck in combat as well, so even if you die, and rez at the wayshrine, you should expect to enter combat if a healer is present and throwing around abilities.

Since you can't mount during this state, you should expect gameplay will be slow, grouping will be frustrating, and the flow of fighting will be erratic and tiresome as you wait for the game to release.

Buffs can also be affected by this state - stuck in combat is often paired with a nasty cocktail of other unresolved bugs and errors - see 49710.

This is the worst I've seen the SIC bug in years, and with no formal comment from the devs, we should expect it to continue unabated until either the skill, or the will to resolve the issue presents itself.

I agree the bug is terrible and ridiculous, but you don’t have to suicide to fix the bug. Enter a delve or (better still) port to your home base and quickly enter then exit Cheesemonger’s Hollow. When you see people saying they’re going to “take a quick cheese bath”, that’s what they’re referring to,

Aurielle · February 18

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

I’m going to assume that the approximately 1000 regular players in the two PVP guilds I’m in want to PVP, so I disagree with your first statement entirely…

Every mayhem event, it’s the same old thing: PVEers bitterly complaining and implying that theirs is the ONLY play style that matters in this game.

It’s very disrespectful.

If you want to actually enjoy the event and others like it, I’d encourage you to join a friendly PVP guild. We will happily help you get your tickets and help you earn millions of AP that you can turn into gold.

Jierdanit · February 18

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

Oh no how horrible you poor PvEer have to do PvP for 2 weeks to get those super important cosmetic things with event tickets.

Those lucky PvPers who only have to PvE basically everyday to get their gear and consumables that are totally not important can't even imagine your pain.

Grizzbeorn · February 18

Sarannah wrote: »

They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

Incredibly wrong.

Sarannah · February 18

Sorry, but that is just my opinion on PvP. And, I can honestly say I have never prevented or delayed anyone from getting their event tickets during a PvE event. So that should not happen in PvP events either.

Also, I have nothing against PvPers or PvP in general(I just hate it). And do feel ZOS needs to pay attention to PvP. But being 'forced' into it is wrong on so many levels. PvP requires levels, gear, skill, skillpoints, preparation, reflexes, stable internet, etc... not everyone can do that. Besides that, I do not think PvP in ESO is actually really PvP. It is more of a gankfest. PvP needs some really serious changes to make it accessible for everyone, before players should ever be 'forced' into it.

If players actually wanted to PvP in ESO, those zones would be packed when there isn't an event going on.

Jierdanit wrote: »

Those lucky PvPers who only have to PvE basically everyday to get their gear and consumables that are totally not important can't even imagine your pain.

Well, to be honest this is one of the things ZOS should change about PvP in my opinion. No potions, no food/drinks, basic gear sets/loadout choices, dpsgap removed, no add-ons, etc... to make PvP truly fair and more easily accessible, even for PvPers. Fair PvP battles would be more fun for everyone.
The problem is: Most players do not want fair PvP.

Pixiepumpkin · February 18

Sarannah wrote: »

Sorry, but that is just my opinion on PvP. And, I can honestly say I have never prevented or delayed anyone from getting their event tickets during a PvE event. So that should not happen in PvP events either.

Also, I have nothing against PvPers or PvP in general(I just hate it). And do feel ZOS needs to pay attention to PvP. But being 'forced' into it is wrong on so many levels. PvP requires levels, gear, skill, skillpoints, preparation, reflexes, stable internet, etc... not everyone can do that. Besides that, I do not think PvP in ESO is actually really PvP. It is more of a gankfest. PvP needs some really serious changes to make it accessible for everyone, before players should ever be 'forced' into it.

If players actually wanted to PvP in ESO, those zones would be packed when there isn't an event going on.

Jierdanit wrote: »

Those lucky PvPers who only have to PvE basically everyday to get their gear and consumables that are totally not important can't even imagine your pain.

Well, to be honest this is one of the things ZOS should change about PvP in my opinion. No potions, no food/drinks, basic gear sets/loadout choices, dpsgap removed, no add-ons, etc... to make PvP truly fair and more easily accessible, even for PvPers. Fair PvP battles would be more fun for everyone.
The problem is: Most players do not want fair PvP.

100% spot on!

This is one of the things I miss the most about WOW pvp, the sets are curated by the devs speifically for each class/spec, allowing true skill (not cheese proc/gear) to win, and better balanced gameplay.

And you are right. The primary difference with a PVP player doing a PVE event vs a PVE player doing a PVP event is that in ESO any PVPer worth their salt can easily do the PVE event challenges. This is not the case when reversed. A PVE player has a much more difficult time obtaining the rewards.

Feeding improperly geared/trained PVE players into a PVP event is just bad design full stop.

Four_Fingers · February 18

I get stuck in combat in PvE as well, should we cancel all events?

Twig_Garlicshine · February 18

PVErs wanting to reduce their time in a PvP play style they don't like:
1/ Form a guild group and go do the dailies before MYM, AND don't hand in,
do this on two characters each, and you now have enough dailies to hand in one at a time, and receive event tickets without having to PvP during PvP event. -

PvPers trying to reduce their time in a PvE play style they don't like:
1/ Play a different game.

LadyLavina · February 18

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

You don't really get to buy/install a game where PvP is a core and well-advertised element, then gripe about it whilst demanding events for it be cancelled. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Ragnarok0130 · February 18

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

Oh Lawd here we go again.....

Stop trying to prevent PVPers from having an event and enjoying the game just because you don't enjoy ESO PVP. You just need to complete a small amount of missions and you have your tickets - complete the mission, drive on, and be done until the next day and let the PVPers enjoy their time in the sun. You can also minimize your pain points by doing these missions during off hours when there's little to no PVPers present as well as dropping into an unpopulated no CP campaign.

I'm an end game trial main and think the PVPers need their own part of the game to be respected. Heck, I even jump into Cyro and IC during MYM because its exciting but I am certainly not a PVPer I'm a holiday tourist who dies far more often that I kill but it's a nice change of pace.

LadyLavina · February 18

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

Oh Lawd here we go again.....

Stop trying to prevent PVPers from having an event and enjoying the game just because you don't enjoy ESO PVP. You just need to complete a small amount of missions and you have your tickets - complete the mission, drive on, and be done until the next day and let the PVPers enjoy their time in the sun. You can also minimize your pain points by doing these missions during off hours when there's little to no PVPers present as well as dropping into an unpopulated no CP campaign.

I'm an end game trial main and think the PVPers need their own part of the game to be respected. Heck, I even jump into Cyro and IC during MYM because its exciting but I am certainly not a PVPer I'm a holiday tourist who dies far more often that I kill but it's a nice change of pace.

Indeed. I tend to not PvE, but have to do so to gain access to certain things (dungeon/trial sets, mainly). Obviously PvP/E are apples and oranges. The point is there is no perfect game and , with all due respect, the opinions of some PvE'ers would be more respected if the loudest among them weren't so militantly anti-pvp.

RetPing · February 18

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

The primary difference with a PVP player doing a PVE event vs a PVE player doing a PVP event is that in ESO any PVPer worth their salt can easily do the PVE event challenges. This is not the case when reversed. A PVE player has a much more difficult time obtaining the rewards.

Feeding improperly geared/trained PVE players into a PVP event is just bad design full stop.

This is totally wrong, people explained many times how to do event during Mayehm with almost zero chanche of having to do PvP.
[snip]
[edited for baiting]

reazea · February 18

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

Many of us play ESO strictly for the PvP. Cyrodiil was the premier end game activity and ZOS used to advertise the game that way. They even used to support the zone with enough server resources to keep the zone highly populated and active. Original pop caps were 600/faction and there were still ques during prime time. So you couldn't be more wrong when you say "nobody wants to PvP". You're speaking for yourself.

Vonnegut2506 · February 18

I love how people claim they are "forced to PvP" even though they don't like it. No one is forcing you to participate in the event. The only thing forcing you is your lack of patience to get tickets later in other non-PvP events. I don't particularly enjoy PvP, so I may just not do portions of the event. (Although, I'm not sure I have ever actually had any PvP in Cyrodiil while questing during one of these events.)

The one thing that should not happen because of whining on the forum though is cancelling any event. If you don't like to PvP, don't PvP. If you have event burnout, quit doing events for a while. But for the love of all that is holy in this world, quit with all the complaining about optional events.

Tommy_The_Gun · February 18

MYM would be fine, but for whatever reason ZOS has an abnormal obsession about one specific zone - Imperial City.

They made this zone and it was a huge flop. The entire DLC did not sold well. Even when ZOS made IC DLC as a Free DLC, it is still a dead empty Zone. And there is a good reason for it. It perfectly sums up all of the problems that PvP in ESO has. And those problems will exist because of the whole core concept. Mixed PvE & PvP never worked well. Ever, no matter the game.

It makes both PvE & PvP an unpleasant and toxic experience. And while Cyro is quite big, IC is not. It is a cramped tight zone that makes mixed PvE & PvP almost impossible to enjoy. On top of that ESO does not have any MM (cuz it is mmo) and pretty much no rules (aside from player made rules that are more or less "The Purge"). The result is that the only target audience that may enjoy ESO "PvP" are guilds & groups. And since ESO build its foundations on the TES franchise (games made for Single Player), it is no wonder that majority of ESO players are also Single "lone wolves" players, who mostly enjoy PvE solo play.

It would be totally fine to include IC in MYM, but the issue is that IC DLC is being pushed EVERYWHERE lately. Almost every event, almost every promotion seems to have obligatory "Trip to IC just to get ganked and smash a window in RL out of frustration" problem. ZOS. Stop doing that. IC is the only DLC that is being obsessively added everywhere. This needs to stop. We have other nice and cool DLC zones in the game that are better in almost every way and are not getting this much attention.

TL:DR
MYM is fine, but what is not fine is IC being added to almost every Event (not just PvP evens). If something, IC should only be a part of PvP events, especially when it comes to even tickets. Ideally, even in PvP events we should have "a choice" what type of PvP content we like to do. If some one does not like IC, we should be able to just do 2 quests in Cyro to get event tickets. Forcing players to do content they do not enjoy is toxic for the game & its player base in the long run (not to mention unnecessary traffic & server load).

Pixiepumpkin · February 18

RetPing wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

The primary difference with a PVP player doing a PVE event vs a PVE player doing a PVP event is that in ESO any PVPer worth their salt can easily do the PVE event challenges. This is not the case when reversed. A PVE player has a much more difficult time obtaining the rewards.

Feeding improperly geared/trained PVE players into a PVP event is just bad design full stop.

This is totally wrong, people explained many times how to do event during Mayehm with almost zero chanche of having to do PvP.
[snip]

I am not wrong at all. Everything I said is the gospel truth and its not hard to understand why.

[edited to remove quote]

Amottica · February 18

LadyLavina wrote: »

No. Absolutely not.

I say that with respect.

Better to urge them to work on it/patch it between now and then, than to just wildly post about cancelling it entirely.

Pretty much this.

Braffin · February 18

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

Maybe you aren't aware, but lots of players actually like to PvP.

Nothing should be cancelled for the sake of catering to entitlelism and FOMO.

Amottica · February 18

Sarannah wrote: »

They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

This does not seem to be the case.
The popularity of MYM, is that a great many go into Cyrodiil to PvP, that many want to PvP even if it is not their focus all year long.

sarahthes · February 18

Amottica wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

This does not seem to be the case.
The popularity of MYM, is that a great many go into Cyrodiil to PvP, that many want to PvP even if it is not their focus all year long.

Yup. I don't pvp very often but I really enjoy MYM and I've spent the past few days updating my build (which I haven't used since the previous PvP event).

olsborg · February 18

Alow mounting in combat, unless you have taken dmg or dealt dmg in the last 10s