ZOS Please reinstate the 1 Perfected weapons from normal maelstrom arena

jcaceresw

Instead of that they should make a hotfix to make the weapons on each set to drop from the boss chests after getting all the armor first.

Braffin

Dragonnord wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Err - I get all the examples people are giving, but then what about people buying monster helms from the golden vendor??
Will you also promise to campaign to have that cancelled since doing vet for some people may have taken days weeks ?? but then someone can 'cheese' it by buying for GV ?

As already posted above:

You can't compare monster sets in vendor NPC since those monster sets don't have extra stats like the Perfected weapons. It's not the same.

Also, because the shoulders of those monster sets can be bought with Undaunted keys (that you can obtain running the NORMAL versions of the dungeons if you want), and runs to get helms from veteran versions can be done with friends, guild mates, zone group, group tool, daily random queue, Discord channels lfgs, etc., while veteran Maelstrom MUST BE DONE SOLO.

You can't compare at all.
 

Of course monster sets are compareable to perfected maelstrom weapons: You get the one 1pc bonus for doing normal mode and the full 2pc bonus for running the content on vet (or buying them at the vendor if we talk about monster helmets).

Furthermore a monster set 2pc bonus is usually far more impactful than the bonus for having the perfected weapon. As the former are handed out like candy since years, I don't see a big issue with the recent bug (which was fixed rather quick).

KlauthWarthog

I would not care if the devs had intentionally enabled perfected drops on normal for the event. They could have added them to mudcrab drop tables, for all I care, the chitin would still be the most valuable thing there.
The problem is that this was not intentional. It was a bug. And this bug got exploited to heck and back. And people are getting away with it, not even a slap to the wrist.
This is not the last time this kind of bug will happen. What is going to prevent people from exploiting the next bug? The fear of repercussion will not.

Amottica

RaikaNA wrote: »

WitchyKiki wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

No. I'm annoyed it ever dropped from nma in the first place. Vet weapons are, or were, a sign someone did it on vet. Let it stay that way

Yep, agree with this. If you can't do the content, you shouldn't get the reward. Thats the whole point!

That logic is not accurate... you see ZOS allows people to provide carrying services... yes people pay other people gold to carry them through hard content that they otherwise can't do themselves like veteran trials to obtain skins and titles. This includes 4 man content like DSA and dungeons.

Considering it is clear that Zenimax intended for the perfect weapons to only be available to those who completed vMA their comment that those who do not clear vMA should not get the reward is extremely accurate.

Those who pay another to clear and get the weapons for them, or even just let a friend access their account to farm the weapons for them, risk being banned if caught. Both accounts. That is also appropriate for them to be banned.

Tyrant_Tim

That being said, I’m not gonna keep bumping this thread; it’s obvious that the glitch was victimless, as the Maelstrom weapons are all skewed for PvE, and the difference between Normal/Perfected is minimal.

I’ve also already covered the fact that people have been unfairly snatching Perfected gear for years now, with broken mythics, classes, and builds.

Also, I found a VERY interesting rumor based thread I’m going to tag at the bottom of this post, where nobody received any form of punishment for farming Perfected gear for doing absolutely nothing.

Funny enough, there are a few posters in this thread that have completely flipped in opinion over the last 5 years. Worth a read… 😂

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/479905/pc-vss-chest-exploiters-receiving-one-month-bans/p2

Ceridith

Dragonnord wrote: »

Ceridith wrote: »

I don't see what the big deal is, it's old content. I've completed VMA, but I don't have a full sticker book of perfected because to me VMA isn't a fun challenge, it's an irritating slog to repeatedly grind through. Personally, I'd much rather be able to at least somewhat enjoy my time being able to stroll through it on regular during the event to fill out my book, but apparently that would upset some people too much because how dare other people not have to suffer.

Oh! You're that kind of guy where everyone is queuing to enter the night club and you just try to slip in the front of the line to avoid waiting.

Or that doesn't study for the exam and copy the classmate on your side.

Or that knows someone high ranked in the army and get accepted without qualifications.

It's better to respect the work and time invested by thousands of other players and get your items the same way they did.
 

Nope, I'm just someone that doesn't define my self worth by what gear I have that others don't in an online game.

Nowhere did I demand or expect that normal MA should drop perfected gear, just that I don't see what the big deal is for the bonus perfected gear dropping during the event. It's 8 year old content at this point, and relatively easy to clear these days.

In fact, so much so that I tried it again on my stam arcanist alt today just for laughs. 5 Briar, 5 Hundings, Slimecraw shoulders, and Oakensoul, literally only using Herald of the Tome skillline on my front bar. I died once through the whole run because I glanced away to look at my second monitor at a bad time.

If it bothers you so much that other people can get perfected vMA gear easier, then I don't know what to tell you, because it's not the accomplishment you seem to think it is.

spartaxoxo

Braffin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Err - I get all the examples people are giving, but then what about people buying monster helms from the golden vendor??
Will you also promise to campaign to have that cancelled since doing vet for some people may have taken days weeks ?? but then someone can 'cheese' it by buying for GV ?

FYI - I already have all perfected MA doing a VMA marathon few months back...

PvP is harder than NMA. They aren't swapping it for the same activity but easier. They are doing an activity that is different but of equal or greater difficulty, for the most part.

Afaik it is also possible to buy items at said vendor using gold, which isn't exactly earned by doing PvP.

I also don't get, why you are comparing PvP to nma.

True. I forgot about that. I wouldn't be opposed to them taking that option away, I guess.

I am comparing them because someone asked why the golden is okay but giving away weapons in NMA is not. And for me, it's because it's replaced by something that just as hard. NMA is not just a different activity. It's the same activity but way easier.

They want it to be permanently available during events to have NMA drop perfected weapons. I don't care that much about the bug because stuff happens. It's annoying but whatever. But, I don't think they should make perfected weapons drop from nma during the event.

Dragonnord

Ceridith wrote: »

It's 8 year old content at this point, and relatively easy to clear these days.

In fact, so much so that I tried it again on my stam arcanist alt today just for laughs. 5 Briar, 5 Hundings, Slimecraw shoulders, and Oakensoul, literally only using Herald of the Tome skillline on my front bar.

And yet, as easy as vMA is, you made it clear, they demand that an unintended bug remains so they can get their Perfected gear in total lazyness.

By the way, using that logic, I'm waiting for Summerset celebration to demand Perfected gear dropping from 2018 normal Cloudrest.
 

Braffin

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Err - I get all the examples people are giving, but then what about people buying monster helms from the golden vendor??
Will you also promise to campaign to have that cancelled since doing vet for some people may have taken days weeks ?? but then someone can 'cheese' it by buying for GV ?

FYI - I already have all perfected MA doing a VMA marathon few months back...

PvP is harder than NMA. They aren't swapping it for the same activity but easier. They are doing an activity that is different but of equal or greater difficulty, for the most part.

Afaik it is also possible to buy items at said vendor using gold, which isn't exactly earned by doing PvP.

I also don't get, why you are comparing PvP to nma.

True. I forgot about that. I wouldn't be opposed to them taking that option away, I guess.

I am comparing them because someone asked why the golden is okay but giving away weapons in NMA is not. And for me, it's because it's replaced by something that just as hard. NMA is not just a different activity. It's the same activity but way easier.

They want it to be permanently available during events to have NMA drop perfected weapons. I don't care that much about the bug because stuff happens. It's annoying but whatever. But, I don't think they should make perfected weapons drop from nma during the event.

Thanks for clarification. Makes much more sense with only AP in mind.

I agree btw, that perfected weapons (and veteran rewards in general) shouldn't be handed out without doing the respective content. Not during events nor anytime else.

I don't care about the bug tho. As you said, things happen and nobody should be punished imo.

LouisaB75

I just spent the best part of 2 days completing my first run of vMA. It was tough. I had to swap builds, skills, CP, and gear to make it through. Resorted to Oakensoul for the final boss which I was starting to think I would never make it past. Got my first perfected weapons and there is definitely something to be said for the feeling of getting new loot after struggling to complete the content. Of course I didn't get my weapon of choice so will have to try again, where hopefully it will go a bit quicker!

That being said, I don't begrudge those who got perfected weapons during the bug. Most may not even be aware it was a bug at all and assumed it was part of the event. So I am glad to see there won't be any form of punishment for those who got their perfected weapons on normal.

Ragnarok0130

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

No. I'm annoyed it ever dropped from nma in the first place. Vet weapons are, or were, a sign someone did it on vet. Let it stay that way

I'm curious as to why you are annoyed that it dropped from nma? Did it impact you personally? How did it ruin your game experience?

Why you ask the obvious question against hypocrites?

As pointed last night to the other discussion, is frustrating to see those who cry about the Perf weapon from nMA, are exploiting Sea Serpent Coil as Vampires in PVP for very long time which actually has impact against other players.

I suspect you have proof that anyone in this thread who is against veteran rewards dropping in normal is actually PVPing let alone using those mythics in PVP? If not you're simply throwing out unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks ie "trolling and baiting" as the mods like to say which is against the forum rules.

ZoS retroactively patched in a tiered reward system for a specific purpose and to give out the veteran rewards in a normal version of the content not only completely devalues the veteran version of the arena rewards - it actively dissuades people from self improvement in order to be able to complete the veteran arena and claim the reward. That hurts the players and the game in the long term.

sarahthes

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

That being said, I’m not gonna keep bumping this thread; it’s obvious that the glitch was victimless, as the Maelstrom weapons are all skewed for PvE, and the difference between Normal/Perfected is minimal.

I’ve also already covered the fact that people have been unfairly snatching Perfected gear for years now, with broken mythics, classes, and builds.

Also, I found a VERY interesting rumor based thread I’m going to tag at the bottom of this post, where nobody received any form of punishment for farming Perfected gear for doing absolutely nothing.

Funny enough, there are a few posters in this thread that have completely flipped in opinion over the last 5 years. Worth a read… 😂

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/479905/pc-vss-chest-exploiters-receiving-one-month-bans/p2

The gear in the chests in the referenced thread was not perfected, it was normal. Perfected gear does not drop from chests in veteran trials.

Tyrant_Tim

People that were around when Elsweyr dropped, know the significance of that thread.

At the time of posting, Normal weapons were dropping, but the OP was referencing rumors surrounding bans on players that WERE farming Perfected gear day one due to an exploit, a rumor that wasn’t substantiated.

People in this very thread are the same ones that went on at length to justify free trial rewards regardless of tier, without doing any work whatsoever, skipping all of the enemies to go farm treasure chests, and then came over here to complain about people getting better than average rewards from actually putting their time in to clear something.

Now, I’m not gonna name/shame them, but they should feel ashamed of themselves for trying to judge others when they were both doing/arguing for something much more exploitative.

Tyrant_Tim

Regarding the topic, let it rest.

It’s clear that it wasn’t intended so they’re not going to make it a normal occurrence, and it’s also clear that it was victimless, so they’re not doing anything about it.

sarahthes

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

People that were around when Elsweyr dropped, know the significance of that thread.

At the time of posting, Normal weapons were dropping, but the OP was referencing rumors surrounding bans on players that WERE farming Perfected gear day one due to an exploit, a rumor that wasn’t substantiated.

People in this very thread are the same ones that went on at length to justify free trial rewards regardless of tier, without doing any work whatsoever, skipping all of the enemies to go farm treasure chests, and then came over here to complain about people getting better than average rewards from actually putting their time in to clear something.

Now, I’m not gonna name/shame them, but they should feel ashamed of themselves for trying to judge others when they were both doing/arguing for something much more exploitative.

I don't think I was on that original thread.

That said, farming normal sunspire gear is pretty harmless if unintended. And getting perf maelstrom gear from normal for less than 24 hours is also pretty harmless.

SmellyUnlimited

I’m surprised this thread has gone on as long as it has. The moral of the story is that hard work should be rewarded, and it was a mistake that ZoS had a bug where players could get perfected versions of the weapons. I’d have liked to seen those weapons rolled back to their unperfected versions, and anyone should recognize that getting gear you didn’t earn isn’t right. Same reason no one should get perfected gear in non-veteran content, there’s a clear difficulty difference (despite folks saying how easy they perceive VMA to be, which is not relevant to this discussion and is a straw man defense if anything).

ZOS_Suserial

Hi. This thread has been closed as it has moved on from the original topic.