ZOS Please reinstate the 1 Perfected weapons from normal maelstrom arena

spartaxoxo

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

My question is how many people who are against the event only perfected weapons out of normal idea, also buy golded gear or monster helms from the vendor on weekends.

Because the same argument can be made "I worked my bum off in vet XYZ to get XYZ helm...."

VMA is harder than a normal vet clear of most of the dungeons. And VMA is done alone. You cannot get someone to carry you. The solo arenas are the only content where the rewards are based on your skill, and your skill alone.

PvP is also harder than a normal arena or normal dungeon.

So, I find it to be apples and oranges, quite frankly.

M0R_Gaming

RaikaNA wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

also perfected weapons give a barely noticeable benefit. the most commonly used weapons apply 1k pen on the back bar. it's not a big deal.

Really? According to ESO logs says otherwise. People with top scores aren't using normal versions at all. Show me one top-scoring player who's using the normal version.

Couple things:
First, here's a 120k parse from a friend with multiple trifectas running a non-perfected inferno staff. If you do not consider a 120k with tris 'top scoring' then idk what you want.

Second: If you are a top-scoring player then a single run of maelstrom takes less than 30 minutes on vet, and is extremely easy to do.

Third: Never exactly copy the high-end logs/replays builds if you want to seriously improve lol. Score pushers will do stupid stuff simply because it can get them a tiny bit higher score. For example, let's use the Genesis World Record for Sunspire. At 8 minutes into the run, you can see every DD and healer using Vampire Drain on the mini in Yoln. Some other groups do a similar thing, but also on Lokke as well. The average DPS will barely gain any advantage by doing this, but score push groups do it because they can get slightly better scores.
As another example from the same video/run, you'll see that on Nahvi, the tank is actually a DPS with 25k health. It's extremely risky and if a regular group did it, they would prob just fall over.

Dragonnord

You can't compare monster sets in vendor NPC since those monster sets don't have extra stats like the Perfected weapons. It's not the same.

Also, because the shoulders of those monster sets can be bought with Undaunted keys (that you can obtain running the NORMAL versions of the dungeons if you want), and runs to get helms from veteran versions can be done with friends, guild mates, zone group, group tool, daily random queue, Discord channels lfgs, etc., while veteran Maelstrom MUST BE DONE SOLO.

You can't compare at all.
 

Tyrant_Tim

Let’s all pretend that @Deltia didn’t complete veteran Maelstrom Arena flawlessly using only one ability on a Templar…

As long as Oakensoul, the Pale Order Ring, and Arcanist exist, clearing veteran Maelstrom is trivial.

Having Perfected weapons for content that is easily cleared is certainly not a flex, and if we’re being honest, with how accessible clears are bought with gold, is anything earned truly a flex any more?

There have been far greater insults that we, the end-game community, have endured… that are much worse than a glitch that gave a few people some perfected weapons a little easier, and that’s coming from someone that has everything from everywhere on their server from having played the game for around a decade.

kringled_1

Soarora wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

My question is how many people who are against the event only perfected weapons out of normal idea, also buy golded gear or monster helms from the vendor on weekends.

Because the same argument can be made "I worked my bum off in vet XYZ to get XYZ helm...."

I don’t really have a horse in this race, I hated the perfected drops because it was a bug that was being encouraged to be exploited by so many people. Not sure on my perspective on having perfected drop on normal during an event.

That said, the vendor items require less work to get than maelstrom perfected. Maelstrom takes forever just because of how its set up and it also requires you to be good solo. Doing a vet dungeon to get a monster helm? You can get carried. Vet dungeons also aren’t that hard.

I don’t actually buy from the gold vendor because I don’t see the point… I have the helmets? To me, the gold vendor is for casuals and PvPers.

I always look at the golden for shoulders, see all the threads on the terrible rng of the boxes for keys.

ArchMikem

spartaxoxo wrote: »

No. I'm annoyed it ever dropped from nma in the first place. Vet weapons are, or were, a sign someone did it on vet. Let it stay that way

When was the last time people cared about a VMA completion though? Stormproof ain't what it used to be in the public eye.

Twohothardware

Vet Maelstrom is by far the easiest Vet Arena in the game. The only thing the Perfected version of the weapons give you is one extra stat line that makes minimal difference.

Fix your build, learn a simple rotation, and just do Vet Maelstrom. It's not that difficult and you get double Perfected drops.

SmellyUnlimited

VMA took me days to finally clear, playing hour after hour, death after death. On a stamblade no less. It’s bs people got perfected weapons with almost no work whatsoever, which is what normal difficulty is. I farmed that place a LOT only to leave for a few years, come back, and find all my weapons I’d put blood sweat and tears into were just “normal,” not perfected. As if I did nothing at all with my time. It’s thievery.

Tyrant_Tim

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

VMA took me days to finally clear, playing hour after hour, death after death. On a stamblade no less. It’s bs people got perfected weapons with almost no work whatsoever…

What are you talking about?

People have been cheesing vMA since day one. All through 2016 there were Sorcerer’s building up 1,000 ultimate before going in and Overloading their way through the arena, then there was the glitch where you could scale content down to level 45 even on Veteran to steal weapons from the leaderboards…

Where were you when The Pale Order Ring came out and made it a joke on every class? Or when Oakensoul came out and people were clearing it with only one skill on their bar, or when Sorcerer’s were slamming through it yet again with Heavy Attack builds after the nerf?

How about right now where Arcanists are reaching from one portal spawn to another with their beam?

What I’m saying is, there are bigger things to get worked up over, and if this was truly a concern of yours, you might want to look into the ways people are “easy-moding” the content right now.

SmellyUnlimited

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

VMA took me days to finally clear, playing hour after hour, death after death. On a stamblade no less. It’s bs people got perfected weapons with almost no work whatsoever…

What are you talking about?

People have been cheesing vMA since day one. All through 2016 there were Sorcerer’s building up 1,000 ultimate before going in and Overloading their way through the arena, then there was the glitch where you could scale content down to level 45 even on Veteran to steal weapons from the leaderboards…

Where were you when The Pale Order Ring came out and made it a joke on every class? Or when Oakensoul came out and people were clearing it with only one skill on their bar, or when Sorcerer’s were slamming through it yet again with Heavy Attack builds after the nerf?

How about right now where Arcanists are reaching from one portal spawn to another with their beam?

What I’m saying is, there are bigger things to get worked up over, and if this was truly a concern of yours, you might want to look into the ways people are “easy-moding” the content right now.

For me it was never about cheesing or easy-moding. It presented a real challenge and I eventually beat it, earning the maelstrom bow I was after. This was long before mythics, when Maelstrom first came out. I’m not particularly interested in doing it again, but I’m glad I accomplished it. I still think it’s unfair people can waltz in normal and get a perfected weapon. It’s hardly anything I’m particularly “worked up” over, I just don’t like people getting something without work.

Vulkunne

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

VMA took me days to finally clear, playing hour after hour, death after death. On a stamblade no less. It’s bs people got perfected weapons with almost no work whatsoever…

What are you talking about?

People have been cheesing vMA since day one. All through 2016 there were Sorcerer’s building up 1,000 ultimate before going in and Overloading their way through the arena, then there was the glitch where you could scale content down to level 45 even on Veteran to steal weapons from the leaderboards…

Where were you when The Pale Order Ring came out and made it a joke on every class? Or when Oakensoul came out and people were clearing it with only one skill on their bar, or when Sorcerer’s were slamming through it yet again with Heavy Attack builds after the nerf?

How about right now where Arcanists are reaching from one portal spawn to another with their beam?

What I’m saying is, there are bigger things to get worked up over, and if this was truly a concern of yours, you might want to look into the ways people are “easy-moding” the content right now.

No excuse for taking something you didn't earn or for willfully violating TOS. Even if ZOS says this is ok with then you're still wrong and really should delete the weapons as in the past many players have got themselves in trouble for doing as much.

Its a slap in the face to everyone who took the time to do things right and not violate TOS. Those players should never be brought on the same level as cheesers and exploiters which is what it sounds like you're doing Tim. We're not the same and no one should be making excuses or life easy for these people who don't care and won't be punished for it. What kind of message will send? Should we start handing out other things like "God Slayer" now? How about the perfected drops for vet gear runs, do we have once a year where those can be obtained from normal now? If ZOS isn't going to enforce their own protections anymore, like they have done ferociously in the past, should we bother even reporting something like this? I have known two good folks on here who got banned, yes they were wrong but they were no more wrong than what has happened here.

And I've been with the game from one month after it was released btw, in case that helps.

Tyrant_Tim

Vulkunne wrote: »

It’s a slap in the face to everyone who took the time to do things right...

Personally I don’t “feel” that it was right that I had to struggle on a Magicka Templar back in 2016 for Flawless Conqueror, the 2nd worst scoring of the class/specs, behind Dragonknight during the Orsinium patch while players could Overload their way to victory, none of them were banned, or received repercussions.

I also didn’t “feel” that it was right that I had a 1/1,000,000 perfect run at 200cp with Julianos/Seducers & Engine Guardian and crashed round 5 and was told by support that if I did it once, I could do it again.

Were they wrong for how they handled both situations? Sure I might have felt that way at the time, but they weren’t. They had zero obigation to cater to me, or my self-imposed challenges, because I could have just as easily leveled up a Sorcerer and have done what everyone else was doing, just to pass off my Maelstrom Inferno to my Templar.

It wasn’t wrong for players to use the tools at their disposal to make their experience easier, just because I refused to, because by that logic 80% of all vMA clears can get wiped, due to the minimal effort clears people have been enjoying due to all of the drastic meta shifting, and blatantly overperforming mythics, classes, and builds.

Vulkunne wrote: »

What kind of message will send? Should we start handing out other things like "God Slayer" now?

Are you not aware?

The main reason teams were struggling with God Slayer was due to a lack of cleave, Arcanist is a literal God Slayer hand-out.

For players that did it before Arcanist, like me, I don’t “feel” it’s right, but they’re just playing the game, naturally, and it doesn’t impact me whatsoever.

Vulkunne

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

It’s a slap in the face to everyone who took the time to do things right...

Personally I don’t “feel” that it was right that I had to struggle on a Magicka Templar back in 2016 for Flawless Conqueror, the 2nd worst scoring of the class/specs, behind Dragonknight during the Orsinium patch while players could Overload their way to victory, none of them were banned, or received repercussions.

I also didn’t “feel” that it was right that I had a 1/1,000,000 perfect run at 200cp with Julianos/Seducers & Engine Guardian and crashed round 5 and was told by support that if I did it once, I could do it again.

Were they wrong for how they handled both situations? Sure I might have felt that way at the time, but they weren’t. They had zero obigation to cater to me, or my self-imposed challenges, because I could have just as easily leveled up a Sorcerer and have done what everyone else was doing, just to pass off my Maelstrom Inferno to my Templar.

It wasn’t wrong for players to use the tools at their disposal to make their experience easier, just because I refused to, because by that logic 80% of all vMA clears can get wiped, due to the minimal effort clears people have been enjoying due to all of the drastic meta shifting, and blatantly overperforming mythics, classes, and builds.

Vulkunne wrote: »

What kind of message will send? Should we start handing out other things like "God Slayer" now?

Are you not aware?

The main reason teams were struggling with God Slayer was due to a lack of cleave, Arcanist is a literal God Slayer hand-out.

For players that did it before Arcanist, like me, I don’t “feel” it’s right, but here we are.

I've had my own dealings with Support, which can be a hit and a miss so that I can kind of empathize with.

You said that some players were using the tools at their disposal to make 'their' experience easier and then you said later on that basically with the meta shifting there are things overpowering. Ok. If what you're saying is right, then they should have no trouble running vet to get these things. If Arcanist is handing out "God Slayer" than vMA should be a cake walk, surely.

This is part of my problem with this. Its true, there are many resources out there, especially today, that did not exist long ago so I get that... but what I don't get is why people were rewarded for not even using them. That is what I (and others I'm sure) have a hard time understanding especially with all the other gimmicks around today that I would think should make something like this unnecessary unless you just don't care at all. Which is why these folks should not have these things.

I'm also kind of surprised how so many on here seem to say this is ok but are quick to point out when other people either break TOS or put something in their post that does the same. Ethics are selective these days I guess.

Soarora

Yknow, I realized today my arcanist has a non perfected inferno staff backbar even though I’m pretty sure I have the perfected version. And I only noticed that today. Take that as you will.

amig186

You know, there is this thing called Oakensoul Ring, vMA becomes extemely forgiving with it. Give it a try, it won't be much harder than normal and you'll get your perfected weapons.

Silaf

Earn it like all the others.

Aurielle

amig186 wrote: »

You know, there is this thing called Oakensoul Ring, vMA becomes extemely forgiving with it. Give it a try, it won't be much harder than normal and you'll get your perfected weapons.

Or even Ring of the Pale Order. I used to find vMA moderately challenging back in the day. Now? We have a few sets and a class that can carry us through it without even coming close to breaking a sweat. If anyone reading this is still struggling with vMA, here's just one vMA easy mode / farm button for you to try:

Stamina Arcanist
- 5 pc Deadly Strike (Front Bar - Nirnhoned or Sharpened - Weapon Damage Glyph)
- Non-Perfected Maelstrom Bow (Back Bar - Infused - Crushing Glyph)
- 5 pc Ancient Dragonguard
- 1 pc Slimecraw
- 1 pc Ring of the Pale Order

All divines, at least one bloodthirsty ring/amulet. Thief mundus if you don't need the sustain, Serpent if you need the sustain. Stamina reduction glyphs on your jewellery. Your health will rarely drop below 50% if you pay attention to the mechanics, giving you constant 300 weapon/spell damage via Ancient Dragonguard. If you make a mistake and your health dips down to 50% or below, the defensive Ancient Dragonguard proc kicks in and will give you a little more wiggle room to DPS your way back to full health (thanks to Ring of the Pale Order).

Try to keep Reconstructive Domain up at all times (heals and gives you 215 weapon/spell damage). Try to keep Cruxweaver Armor up at all times (Major Resolve, plus Minor Breach applied to enemies who attack you). Try to keep Recuperative Treatise (if you struggle with sustain) or Inspired Scholarship (if you don't struggle with sustain) up at all times. Super simple rotation: Endless Hail, barswap, group any clustered adds with Rune of Displacement, Flail to build crux, bible beam, repeat. Languid Eye/Tide King's Gaze on bosses or any annoying mini bosses. Sanctum of the Abyssal Sea for any "oh s%^&" moments if you happen to make a mistake at an unfortunate time.

It's so easy, and I'm sure someone who's better at theorycrafting than I am could improve the build even further. The only difference between nMA and vMA on that build is that you one-shot adds on nMA (vs 2-3 shotting adds on vMA) and burn most stage bosses before they can do any of their mechanics. You will need to pay attention to mechanics on vMA, but the only rounds that MAY cause some grief are the ice round (because you have to remember to slow down your insane deeps during the boss fight) and the poison Argonian round (because flowers). Even then... Pragmatic Fatecarver makes it so easy to handle the adds that can get you killed (ice smashing trolls and venomcallers).

As for the grumbling and sour grapes over people getting perfected weapons via nMA and not getting banned... I could understand where you folks were coming from were it not for the fact that:

1. It was ZOS's mistake -- can't blame people for running event content at the start of an event, even if it WAS bugged
2. It is so trivially easy to complete vMA these days
3. The stat increases on perfected weapons are marginal and will not add anything significant to your builds

It would not bother me in the slightest if ZOS were to reinstate perfected drops on normal just for the sake of the event. To me, it would really be no different than any of the other gifts or rewards we get during events. They're temporary rewards designed to increase player counts and increase participation/player retention. If someone getting perfected weapons means I have more potential friends to run dungeons with or kill folks in Cyrodiil with? That's awesome! People claiming that it would be like ZOS handing out vet titles for completing the content on normal are creating a false equivalency. Difficult achievements =/= gear with marginal stat bonuses.

At the end of the day, don't lose sight of what perfected weapons are: very slightly more powerful versions of an already powerful weapon that you can earn with ease in nMA. Who cares if vMA was a struggle back in the day? It's not a struggle now, and I don't agree with the whole "I struggled so you should struggle too" mentality. There's way too much of that attitude in our world already. This is a game, not a job, not real life. Remember to have fun.

Rowjoh

Please ZoS, can I have the perfected inferno staff and perfected daggers I was sure I was going to get just now?

I just ran vet MA for the first time when my pet rat gnawed through my power cable and I crashed just before I could execute on the final boss, then when I was able to repair it and log back in, I accidently deleted my character under the stress.

The pet rat is ok btw, except that the fur on his head now permanently sticks up.

Dragonnord

Rowjoh wrote: »

Please ZoS, can I have the perfected inferno staff and perfected daggers I was sure I was going to get just now?

I just ran vet MA for the first time when my pet rat gnawed through my power cable and I crashed just before I could execute on the final boss, then when I was able to repair it and log back in, I accidently deleted my character under the stress.

The pet rat is ok btw, except that the fur on his head now permanently sticks up.

Sad story. You should get your Perfected weapons and also physical tiny replicas for your pet rat.
 

colossalvoids

Rowjoh wrote: »

Please ZoS, can I have the perfected inferno staff and perfected daggers I was sure I was going to get just now?

I just ran vet MA for the first time when my pet rat gnawed through my power cable and I crashed just before I could execute on the final boss, then when I was able to repair it and log back in, I accidently deleted my character under the stress.

The pet rat is ok btw, except that the fur on his head now permanently sticks up.

Hey! Thanks for contacting our forum support.

We're sorry to hear the story and willing to compensate your loss by free Skeevaton costume for your pet rat.

Have a safe journey in Tamriel!

Vulkunne

Aurielle wrote: »

amig186 wrote: »

You know, there is this thing called Oakensoul Ring, vMA becomes extemely forgiving with it. Give it a try, it won't be much harder than normal and you'll get your perfected weapons.

Or even Ring of the Pale Order. I used to find vMA moderately challenging back in the day. Now? We have a few sets and a class that can carry us through it without even coming close to breaking a sweat. If anyone reading this is still struggling with vMA, here's just one vMA easy mode / farm button for you to try:

Stamina Arcanist
- 5 pc Deadly Strike (Front Bar - Nirnhoned or Sharpened - Weapon Damage Glyph)
- Non-Perfected Maelstrom Bow (Back Bar - Infused - Crushing Glyph)
- 5 pc Ancient Dragonguard
- 1 pc Slimecraw
- 1 pc Ring of the Pale Order

All divines, at least one bloodthirsty ring/amulet. Thief mundus if you don't need the sustain, Serpent if you need the sustain. Stamina reduction glyphs on your jewellery. Your health will rarely drop below 50% if you pay attention to the mechanics, giving you constant 300 weapon/spell damage via Ancient Dragonguard. If you make a mistake and your health dips down to 50% or below, the defensive Ancient Dragonguard proc kicks in and will give you a little more wiggle room to DPS your way back to full health (thanks to Ring of the Pale Order).

Try to keep Reconstructive Domain up at all times (heals and gives you 215 weapon/spell damage). Try to keep Cruxweaver Armor up at all times (Major Resolve, plus Minor Breach applied to enemies who attack you). Try to keep Recuperative Treatise (if you struggle with sustain) or Inspired Scholarship (if you don't struggle with sustain) up at all times. Super simple rotation: Endless Hail, barswap, group any clustered adds with Rune of Displacement, Flail to build crux, bible beam, repeat. Languid Eye/Tide King's Gaze on bosses or any annoying mini bosses. Sanctum of the Abyssal Sea for any "oh s%^&" moments if you happen to make a mistake at an unfortunate time.

It's so easy, and I'm sure someone who's better at theorycrafting than I am could improve the build even further. The only difference between nMA and vMA on that build is that you one-shot adds on nMA (vs 2-3 shotting adds on vMA) and burn most stage bosses before they can do any of their mechanics. You will need to pay attention to mechanics on vMA, but the only rounds that MAY cause some grief are the ice round (because you have to remember to slow down your insane deeps during the boss fight) and the poison Argonian round (because flowers). Even then... Pragmatic Fatecarver makes it so easy to handle the adds that can get you killed (ice smashing trolls and venomcallers).

As for the grumbling and sour grapes over people getting perfected weapons via nMA and not getting banned... I could understand where you folks were coming from were it not for the fact that:

1. It was ZOS's mistake -- can't blame people for running event content at the start of an event, even if it WAS bugged
2. It is so trivially easy to complete vMA these days
3. The stat increases on perfected weapons are marginal and will not add anything significant to your builds

It would not bother me in the slightest if ZOS were to reinstate perfected drops on normal just for the sake of the event. To me, it would really be no different than any of the other gifts or rewards we get during events. They're temporary rewards designed to increase player counts and increase participation/player retention. If someone getting perfected weapons means I have more potential friends to run dungeons with or kill folks in Cyrodiil with? That's awesome! People claiming that it would be like ZOS handing out vet titles for completing the content on normal are creating a false equivalency. Difficult achievements =/= gear with marginal stat bonuses.

At the end of the day, don't lose sight of what perfected weapons are: very slightly more powerful versions of an already powerful weapon that you can earn with ease in nMA. Who cares if vMA was a struggle back in the day? It's not a struggle now, and I don't agree with the whole "I struggled so you should struggle too" mentality. There's way too much of that attitude in our world already. This is a game, not a job, not real life. Remember to have fun.

I'd also not lose sight of the fact that saying "it was ZOS mistake" could in fact account for lots of different exploits and holes for naughty people to take advantage of. "It was ZOS mistake I was able to dup that" or "it was ZOS mistake this happened", we've all heard these arguments made before. I knew a few folks who got banned because of it, I'm not saying what happened but they were banned from the service for just as much. And these other folks are getting a free ride? c'mon man. Dr Phil are you listening to this mess? Maybe Dr Gankenstein can help us, and you know I'm a doctor too... sort of.

Bonus or not is subjective. The problem with this is whether the bonus was perceived good or otherwise its still a butt load of pain and fighting to get thru these arenas. As far as how hard the content can be, like I said there are resounces out there so it could be easy or not easy. For me it was hard enough and I think that speaks for many who went thru it honestly, the right way and now we're treated the same as these others.

We care. And we can't not care about something that took a good effort on our part to do. I respect contrasting opinions but as far as how we feel about this, I doubt that's ever going to change because we know how much we put into doing these things.

sarahthes

WitchyKiki wrote: »

This thread brings a lot of thoughts to mind. Its like people who "buy" runs to get their skins or whatever they want. It doesn't affect me, but players who can't beat certain content shouldn't be rewarded. Get good.

Eh. I carry people for free, I carry people for gold. Other people's clears and skins and such don't affect me in the slightest, so I have no problem with how they get them unless it involves RMT.

Ceridith

I don't see what the big deal is, it's old content. I've completed VMA, but I don't have a full sticker book of perfected because to me VMA isn't a fun challenge, it's an irritating slog to repeatedly grind through. Personally, I'd much rather be able to at least somewhat enjoy my time being able to stroll through it on regular during the event to fill out my book, but apparently that would upset some people too much because how dare other people not have to suffer.

Dragonnord

Ceridith wrote: »

I don't see what the big deal is, it's old content. I've completed VMA, but I don't have a full sticker book of perfected because to me VMA isn't a fun challenge, it's an irritating slog to repeatedly grind through. Personally, I'd much rather be able to at least somewhat enjoy my time being able to stroll through it on regular during the event to fill out my book, but apparently that would upset some people too much because how dare other people not have to suffer.

Oh! You're that kind of guy where everyone is queuing to enter the night club and you just try to slip in the front of the line to avoid waiting.

Or that doesn't study for the exam and copy the classmate on your side.

Or that knows someone high ranked in the army and get accepted without qualifications.

It's better to respect the work and time invested by thousands of other players and get your items the same way they did.
 

StackonClown

Err - I get all the examples people are giving, but then what about people buying monster helms from the golden vendor??
Will you also promise to campaign to have that cancelled since doing vet for some people may have taken days weeks ?? but then someone can 'cheese' it by buying for GV ?

FYI - I already have all perfected MA doing a VMA marathon few months back...

spartaxoxo

StackonClown wrote: »

Err - I get all the examples people are giving, but then what about people buying monster helms from the golden vendor??
Will you also promise to campaign to have that cancelled since doing vet for some people may have taken days weeks ?? but then someone can 'cheese' it by buying for GV ?

FYI - I already have all perfected MA doing a VMA marathon few months back...

PvP is harder than NMA. They aren't swapping it for the same activity but easier. They are doing an activity that is different but of equal or greater difficulty, for the most part.

Dragonnord

StackonClown wrote: »

Err - I get all the examples people are giving, but then what about people buying monster helms from the golden vendor??
Will you also promise to campaign to have that cancelled since doing vet for some people may have taken days weeks ?? but then someone can 'cheese' it by buying for GV ?

As already posted above:

You can't compare monster sets in vendor NPC since those monster sets don't have extra stats like the Perfected weapons. It's not the same.

Also, because the shoulders of those monster sets can be bought with Undaunted keys (that you can obtain running the NORMAL versions of the dungeons if you want), and runs to get helms from veteran versions can be done with friends, guild mates, zone group, group tool, daily random queue, Discord channels lfgs, etc., while veteran Maelstrom MUST BE DONE SOLO.

You can't compare at all.
 

Braffin

spartaxoxo wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Err - I get all the examples people are giving, but then what about people buying monster helms from the golden vendor??
Will you also promise to campaign to have that cancelled since doing vet for some people may have taken days weeks ?? but then someone can 'cheese' it by buying for GV ?

FYI - I already have all perfected MA doing a VMA marathon few months back...

PvP is harder than NMA. They aren't swapping it for the same activity but easier. They are doing an activity that is different but of equal or greater difficulty, for the most part.

Afaik it is also possible to buy items at said vendor using gold, which isn't exactly earned by doing PvP.

I also don't get, why you are comparing PvP to nma.

Tyrant_Tim

Dragonnord wrote: »

Ceridith wrote: »

I don't see what the big deal is, it's old content. I've completed VMA, but I don't have a full sticker book of perfected because to me VMA isn't a fun challenge, it's an irritating slog to repeatedly grind through. Personally, I'd much rather be able to at least somewhat enjoy my time being able to stroll through it on regular during the event to fill out my book, but apparently that would upset some people too much because how dare other people not have to suffer.

Oh! You're that kind of guy where everyone is queuing to enter the night club and you just try to slip in the front of the line to avoid waiting.

Or that doesn't study for the exam and copy the classmate on your side.

Or that knows someone high ranked in the army and get accepted without qualifications.

It's better to respect the work and time invested by thousands of other players and get your items the same way they did.
 

One major problem with this line of thinking is that players obtaining Perfected Maelstrom weapons is victimless, where if someone skipped me in line I’d have some choice words for them.

That being said, even those completely different and incomparable scenarios beat being the type of person that complains about debt forgiveness for college students working minimum wage jobs starving from a Ramen Noodle diet, similar to the way people are acting on this thread.

Amottica

RaikaNA wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

Come on guys... this is an event...Please remove the hotfix and let people get a single perfected weapon drop on normal. Why did this need an immediate emergency hotfix when there's so much other stuff that you guys can focus on?

Again this is an event..Let people who otherwise can't complete vMA (for whatever reason that might be) have an opportunity to get the perfected weapons. you showed mercy when you allowed people to farm weapons on normal so please show the same during this event.

Yes. This is an event that doubles the drop of weapons. It was a mistake and very much unintended that the perfected weapons were dropped from nMA. That is the reason Zenimax appropriately fixed that mistake.

As such the fix should remain in place and efforts taken to ensure this does not happen in future events.

Galeriano wrote: »

You already have additional drop in maesltrom because of the event.

If someone can't complete vMA he/she really doesn't even need that perfected weapons in the first place.

Having the option to get non perfected weapons on normal mode is enough of a "mercy" and creates healthy enviroment by giving feeling of accomplishement and beeing rewarded for hard work to those who can complete vMA.

Exactly. Thx for chiming in with such an appropriate perspective.